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[Kakmakr]

So you are saying it is still possible for them to use bot in order to abuse the faucet?

I've said that repeatedly. Just Google 'captcha solver' and you'll see what is available on the retail market. Some of the botnets also have the own solutions. A few months back when we introduced half base rewards for accounts that almost never do anything but claim the faucet one of the big retail captcha solve services halved their prices in response.

Lets say I have 10 account, I should deposit $1,000 but I never use my deposit right? So it is like long term investment plus we can get daily interest from your site as well. I think it is pretty worth for the faucet abuser to it but they use 100k bot, I do not think it is still worth or not

You would also need 10 IP addresses and that'll probably cost more than you are going to get out of the faucet and you'd also risk getting caught for multi-accounting. Botnets have access to millions of IP addresses so the cost per address is trivial.

I think you missed what I was trying to say.  .... If the bot owner transfers $100 to each of his 10 bots and run them 24/7, then he would get Freerolls every hour with 10 bots without being bothered by by these Captchas. So the Capthas cannot stop these bots from doing this. A clever bot will not do this 24/7, because your detection system will detect that, so they only run it say 10 times a day.

If this is successful and this guy can do this with say, 1000 bots and he builds a referral system, then this can become quite profitable over time. 

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[TheQuin]

I think you missed what I was trying to say.  .... If the bot owner transfers $100 to each of his 10 bots and run them 24/7, then he would get Freerolls every hour with 10 bots without being bothered by by these Captchas. So the Capthas cannot stop these bots from doing this. A clever bot will not do this 24/7, because your detection system will detect that, so they only run it say 10 times a day.

If this is successful and this guy can do this with say, 1000 bots and he builds a referral system, then this can become quite profitable over time. 

I am missing what you trying to say. Are you suggesting a bot operator would start off with by trusting us with $1000 to run 10 bots?

We wouldn't even notice that we're too busy dealing with the guys that run tens of thousands up into the hundreds of thousands.

[Kakmakr]

I think you missed what I was trying to say.  .... If the bot owner transfers $100 to each of his 10 bots and run them 24/7, then he would get Freerolls every hour with 10 bots without being bothered by by these Captchas. So the Capthas cannot stop these bots from doing this. A clever bot will not do this 24/7, because your detection system will detect that, so they only run it say 10 times a day.

If this is successful and this guy can do this with say, 1000 bots and he builds a referral system, then this can become quite profitable over time. 

I am missing what you trying to say. Are you suggesting a bot operator would start off with by trusting us with $1000 to run 10 bots?

We wouldn't even notice that we're too busy dealing with the guys that run tens of thousands up into the hundreds of thousands.

Well, it sound silly with 10 bots, but if he sneaks 1000 past your detection system and he gets interest on all his $100 deposits, then the risk decrease over time. At the current Bitcoin price, this guy can get +/- $40 interest for every $100 deposited for a year. So while the 1000 bots are running undetected, they pay interest back to the bot owner to reduce the risk.

So, with $100 000 deposited into 1000 different accounts, he would get +/- $11 interest per day from all those accounts. <4% interest> So after day 10, his first account is risk free, because he made back his $100 and day 20 for another and 30 for another........ See what I am saying?

He might even do this risk free, if he just deposited the $100 000 worth of Bitcoin into one botfree account and channel that interest to his Botfund to fund a new bot account every 10 days.   

[TheQuin]

Well, it sound silly with 10 bots, but if he sneaks 1000 past your detection system and he gets interest on all his $100 deposits, then the risk decrease over time. At the current Bitcoin price, this guy can get +/- $40 interest for every $100 deposited for a year. So while the 1000 bots are running undetected, they pay interest back to the bot owner to reduce the risk.

So, with $100 000 deposited into 1000 different accounts, he would get +/- $11 interest per day from all those accounts. <4% interest> So after day 10, his first account is risk free, because he made back his $100 and day 20 for another and 30 for another........ See what I am saying?

He might even do this risk free, if he just deposited the $100 000 worth of Bitcoin into one botfree account and channel that interest to his Botfund to fund a new bot account every 10 days.  

So someone is going to risk losing $100,000 if we can prove that they are multi-accounting? These guys wouldn't risk losing $0.01 of their own money.

The bottom line is $100 is the level that makes it not worth doing for the return you would get from the faucet.

[Kakmakr]

Well, it sound silly with 10 bots, but if he sneaks 1000 past your detection system and he gets interest on all his $100 deposits, then the risk decrease over time. At the current Bitcoin price, this guy can get +/- $40 interest for every $100 deposited for a year. So while the 1000 bots are running undetected, they pay interest back to the bot owner to reduce the risk.

So, with $100 000 deposited into 1000 different accounts, he would get +/- $11 interest per day from all those accounts. <4% interest> So after day 10, his first account is risk free, because he made back his $100 and day 20 for another and 30 for another........ See what I am saying?

He might even do this risk free, if he just deposited the $100 000 worth of Bitcoin into one botfree account and channel that interest to his Botfund to fund a new bot account every 10 days.  

So someone is going to risk losing $100,000 if we can prove that they are multi-accounting? These guys wouldn't risk losing $0.01 of their own money.

The bottom line is $100 is the level that makes it not worth doing for the return you would get from the faucet.

Well, practically it is only their own money risked for the first year or two... Then they are using Freebitco.in money to do this. The reward is not only the faucet, but also the reward points and interest after they paid for the bots and also lottery winnings etc. If a few of these bots hits a lottery prize or the higher prizes in the faucet, then this makes this even more profitable.

Most of these guys are simply script kiddies messing around, but there are surely bigger players that are doing this on a much bigger scale. <Faucet Farmers>  

[TheQuin]

I really have a doubt - there is a single guy running this faucet, there should be a gang of mathematicians and coders...

A single and guy a few helpers..... and we're all quite good at maths.

[jackg]

I really have a doubt - there is a single guy running this faucet, there should be a gang of mathematicians and coders...

Only just thought that? That's normal, but there isn't.

There's enough information open source to allow wetsuit to do everything himself. Although, I'm not sure if anyone knows if wetsuit is an account managed by only one person or if there are other employees (I assume there's someone other than thequin on email support for example).

[TheQuin]

I really have a doubt - there is a single guy running this faucet, there should be a gang of mathematicians and coders...

Only just thought that? That's normal, but there isn't.

There's enough information open source to allow wetsuit to do everything himself. Although, I'm not sure if anyone knows if wetsuit is an account managed by only one person or if there are other employees (I assume there's someone other than thequin on email support for example).

I'm not alone on support, marketing and design, but the on the coding side of things it is all wetsuit. When this much money is involved he wouldn't be making good decisions to trust anyone else with that.

[jackg]

I'm not alone on support, marketing and design, but the on the coding side of things it is all wetsuit. When this much money is involved he wouldn't be making good decisions to trust anyone else with that.

"Normal" gambling sites do, although I guess they know the legal entities they're doing business with.

Wetsuit could easily get other users to program to help him build the site and add new features (it would probably be better to include more people to give ideas and code prototypes for wetsuit that he can then test).

Also, there is, as far as I remember from the site, only 5% of funds in a hot wallet, everything else is in cold storage...

[Snatdard usre]

I really have a doubt - there is a single guy running this faucet, there should be a gang of mathematicians and coders...

Only just thought that? That's normal, but there isn't.

There's enough information open source to allow wetsuit to do everything himself. Although, I'm not sure if anyone knows if wetsuit is an account managed by only one person or if there are other employees (I assume there's someone other than thequin on email support for example).

No, TheQuin is the only helper, because his grammar and manner of talking is always the same.

[jackg]

Then, wetsuit should have an IQ of 280 and he should sleep like Napoleon, 2-3 hours a day. I can't imagine, how is it possible to be knowledgeable everywhere(backend, frontend, large scale server management, perfect probability theory, etc. )

I think you're giving too much merit where it isn't exactly due. Sure it's difficult to program a site without programming knowledge. If I particularly wanted to, I reckon I could produce a site very similar (it wouldn't do anything for me though as I couldn't host it unlesss I was Wetsuit's neighbour ).

A lot of it should be able to be handled with HTML, PHP, SQL and Javascript (with a python or executable script in the background running to send the transactions).

It's not really that much of a large scale server either, the website is about half a megabyte in its entirety...

No, TheQuin is the only helper, because his grammar and manner of talking is always the same.

I'm talking about wetsuit.

[Snatdard usre]

jackg, got it, thanks )

[Kakmakr]

Well, I guess if you ask too many questions... this happens to your account : http://prntscr.com/k9g47a   There should be no reason at all for my IP to be banned, because nobody else is using my IP address. Very interesting indeed. I have been using this faucet for years and I have never had a problem before. 

You get banned, if you speak about bots. 

[TheQuin]

Well, I guess if you ask too many questions... this happens to your account : http://prntscr.com/k9g47a   There should be no reason at all for my IP to be banned, because nobody else is using my IP address. Very interesting indeed. I have been using this faucet for years and I have never had a problem before. 

You get banned, if you speak about bots. 

PM me your user ID and the IP address and I'll ask wetsuit to take a look. We certainly don't ban people for what they say take a look at the trolls in this thread. We are adding to the lists of VPN and proxy addresses we use so it might be a false positive from that.

[Kakmakr]

Well, I guess if you ask too many questions... this happens to your account : http://prntscr.com/k9g47a   There should be no reason at all for my IP to be banned, because nobody else is using my IP address. Very interesting indeed. I have been using this faucet for years and I have never had a problem before. 

You get banned, if you speak about bots. 

PM me your user ID and the IP address and I'll ask wetsuit to take a look. We certainly don't ban people for what they say take a look at the trolls in this thread. We are adding to the lists of VPN and proxy addresses we use so it might be a false positive from that.

Nah, It's OK. Getting another IP address is not a train smash at all, takes me 5 minutes.  Will check back to see if the range is blocked or only a specific static IP address. It was just strange that I was discussing possible bot attack scenarios yesterday and that my IP address was blocked today. Could just be a coincidence, so let's just leave it there. 

To the Moon!   

[TheQuin]

Nah, It's OK. Getting another IP address is not a train smash at all, takes me 5 minutes.  Will check back to see if the range is blocked or only a specific static IP address. It was just strange that I was discussing possible bot attack scenarios yesterday and that my IP address was blocked today. Could just be a coincidence, so let's just leave it there. 

To the Moon!   

It would help if you could PM me the IP address anyway so we can check against the lists. Getting false positives is a big hindrance to trying to stop bots as we don't want to stop genuine users at the same time.

[Kakmakr]

Nah, It's OK. Getting another IP address is not a train smash at all, takes me 5 minutes.  Will check back to see if the range is blocked or only a specific static IP address. It was just strange that I was discussing possible bot attack scenarios yesterday and that my IP address was blocked today. Could just be a coincidence, so let's just leave it there. 

To the Moon!   

It would help if you could PM me the IP address anyway so we can check against the lists. Getting false positives is a big hindrance to trying to stop bots as we don't want to stop genuine users at the same time.

Solved - I got the new IP address and I am running again. Thanks for the offer, but I am cool. I am not in the habit of giving out personal information to strangers on the internet. ^joke^

I will let you know if this problem persists and then you guys can look into it. Just glad I am operational once again and things are back to normal now. This new IP address may just be the thing I need to change my luck to win the Lotto. 

[TheQuin]

Solved - I got the new IP address and I am running again. Thanks for the offer, but I am cool. I am not in the habit of giving out personal information to strangers on the internet. ^joke^

I will let you know if this problem persists and then you guys can look into it. Just glad I am operational once again and things are back to normal now. This new IP address may just be the thing I need to change my luck to win the Lotto. 

No problem. The other IP must be listed as a VPN or Proxy, it's difficult to get hold of 100% accurate lists.

[jackg]

Solved - I got the new IP address and I am running again. Thanks for the offer, but I am cool. I am not in the habit of giving out personal information to strangers on the internet. ^joke^

I will let you know if this problem persists and then you guys can look into it. Just glad I am operational once again and things are back to normal now. This new IP address may just be the thing I need to change my luck to win the Lotto. 

No problem. The other IP must be listed as a VPN or Proxy, it's difficult to get hold of 100% accurate lists.

@Kakmakr, I think I probably know the answer but do you have a static IP or a dynamic IP - if it's dynamic, you might want to request a static one so this error doesn't happen again)?

[Warfare]

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