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January 18, 2019, 07:56:31 PM |
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100,000 satoshis. If you bet 100 satoshis 1000 times at 1.01 = 1 x wager. Chance to win is 94.06%... blah blah blah "ALL Da:"......[snip]
Go ahead and try it "all day" LMFAO. You'll lose on the 4th bet or so. You forget that since the "Wagering Contest" has been going on, freebitco has been cheating on all high win rate percentages (if not all the odds for that matter). Where as previously you could roll maybe 10 in a row and not lose, now you're lucky to roll 3 in a row before you hit a loss. And once you hit that loss, you lose everything regardless of how many times you've won because you werent winning anything at all, you were just taking a risk that they were going to 1. Take everything or 2. you win 0 if you're using 94.02% odds. This was done on purpose right around the same time that freebitco realized people were abusing the wagering contest with the higher Odds (or perhaps they anticipated it and changed before actually starting it, point is, it's been noticed). If your roll habits meets their requirements, you are going to be cheated upon. It's that simple. This has all been proven btw since the seeds are known to change after rolls (its all in the scam accusations threads) along with a ton of other cheating that I've uncovered myself unrelated to the dice rolls. You cant back up anything you say but I sure as shit can backup everything I say. Have fun with your Sea Shell Seeds changing site where you like to make unrealistic ego boosting wagering claims Like I said before, put up or shutup. You've proved nothing and actually deflect any possibility of such. If you want to see how it's REALLY done, watch my stream where I DO prove what I say. It's running 24/7 every single day and proves all you clowns are complete idiots. See, the difference between me and plebs like yourself is that I dont give two shits if the site cheats on rolls here and there or not. They'd have to turn it up a lot more than a notch in order for it to affect anything I do. But let me get one thing straight, while I dont care that they cheat, I do not approve of them lying about it with their "Provably fair" claims since thats 100% completely false. All they have to do for me to stop bad mouthing them and pointing out all the cheating is to shit can TheQuack, thats number one, and remove the "Provably Fair" claims from their site, threads, and all marketing that they do. I might settle for just shit canning TheQuack though. Depends I guess. Maybe a good bump in referrals would be a compromise. I agree with you, they cheat in everything now, starting with the little things and ending with provably fair
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ralle14
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January 18, 2019, 11:20:55 PM |
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Loss is expected at 60 times per 1000 times = 6000 satoshis. Win is expected 940 times = 940 satoshis. Nett loss every 1x wager = 5060
This is just an expected loss though, it can always go above or below 60 depending on how lucky/unlucky you are during that session. On the wagering part I agree, i've participated in different wagering contests before and if you have the patience to bet low you can go as high as wagering x100 of your bankroll but those are dice sites with 1% house edge. x30 is not that bad considering their house edge is at 5%.
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Ziskinberg
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January 19, 2019, 10:16:54 AM |
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Loss is expected at 60 times per 1000 times = 6000 satoshis. Win is expected 940 times = 940 satoshis. Nett loss every 1x wager = 5060
This is just an expected loss though, it can always go above or below 60 depending on how lucky/unlucky you are during that session. On the wagering part I agree, i've participated in different wagering contests before and if you have the patience to bet low you can go as high as wagering x100 of your bankroll but those are dice sites with 1% house edge. x30 is not that bad considering their house edge is at 5%. You are right, you really need to make an effort to bet as much as you can to increase your wagered amount but making your bet not so aggressive at the same time, stay discipline as you main purpose here is just to increase your wager overtime to have the opportunity to enjoy the reward once you are lucky. This promo by the gambling sites is a very popular one, this is to encourage more bettors to play and even if some are lucky enough to win the contest, overall, they are still profitable.
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January 19, 2019, 01:01:47 PM |
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Loss is expected at 60 times per 1000 times = 6000 satoshis. Win is expected 940 times = 940 satoshis. Nett loss every 1x wager = 5060
This is just an expected loss though, it can always go above or below 60 depending on how lucky/unlucky you are during that session. On the wagering part I agree, i've participated in different wagering contests before and if you have the patience to bet low you can go as high as wagering x100 of your bankroll but those are dice sites with 1% house edge. x30 is not that bad considering their house edge is at 5%. You are right, you really need to make an effort to bet as much as you can to increase your wagered amount but making your bet not so aggressive at the same time, stay discipline as you main purpose here is just to increase your wager overtime to have the opportunity to enjoy the reward once you are lucky. This promo by the gambling sites is a very popular one, this is to encourage more bettors to play and even if some are lucky enough to win the contest, overall, they are still profitable. I am putting it in terms of expressed loss for sure, as expected. Just like you would do at any site and at any win chance. I understand all about variance, but like you said, that's your luck factor. If you place enough bets in the long run, expected results will show up very close to actual results. And yes, 100x is quite easy at 1% house edge sites. In fact I think I've done well over 100x on some sites, taking advantage of bonuses, rain and other things to make the 1% edge very small.
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January 19, 2019, 05:40:35 PM |
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Am I wrong to think they have provably fair? I mean do they? I am checking the website now because I recall they did provably fair and as I can see they do have provably fair in big punto as well. How could anyone think that freebitco.in is scamming them when provably fair is RIGHT THERE.
Just use that function and see if you are being scammed or not. If you think they are making you lose against the provably fair function then they will be surely going down in a day, everyone will talk about how freebitco.in doesn't follow their own provably fair and scams peoples money from them and everyone will leave the website withdrawing their money. Moreover, that is not happening, do you know why ? Because, they are not. They have a dice game where the game is provably fair and can be PROVED (as in provably) that they are not scamming anyone. You are just unlucky and you want to put the blame on the website.
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January 19, 2019, 09:34:09 PM Last edit: January 19, 2019, 11:28:32 PM by broke_tradah |
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Am I wrong to think they have provably fair? I mean do they? I am checking the website now because I recall they did provably fair and as I can see they do have provably fair in big punto as well. How could anyone think that freebitco.in is scamming them when provably fair is RIGHT THERE.
Just use that function and see if you are being scammed or not. If you think they are making you lose against the provably fair function then they will be surely going down in a day, everyone will talk about how freebitco.in doesn't follow their own provably fair and scams peoples money from them and everyone will leave the website withdrawing their money. Moreover, that is not happening, do you know why ? Because, they are not. They have a dice game where the game is provably fair and can be PROVED (as in provably) that they are not scamming anyone. You are just unlucky and you want to put the blame on the website.
It's one thing to "say" you use provably fair and quite another to "actually" use it. Newsflash, there ARE people who have caught them changing seeds in the Scam Accusations thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045277.0). It's also not necessary to prove anything by use of seed manipulation either. Large samples can prove the same thing without the need for showing seed changes (which I've done that also confirms what those with changing seeds have claimed). And it certainly wouldnt take "a day" to "go down". There are some incredibly stupid people out here (this is where you should see yourself in the mirror if you're remove that duct tape off your face) and this thread is proof of that. Scams last 100x or more longer than they should. Take Bitconnect or any of the pyramid smart contract games for example (P3D comes to mind). They last plenty long enough and are very good proof that just because something is a scam doesnt mean it's going to end in less than a day. It also doesnt mean that there are not going to be idiots who claim that it's legit even when it's OBVIOUS that it isnt. Just because freebitco has been around for a long time doesnt mean it's legit. It just means that there are a lot of incredibly stupid people who use it which in turn allows it to continue running. And I consider anyone who uses "longevity" as a means to legitimize something as one of those stupid people because longevity doesnt mean something is legit. The clients of Bernie Madoff could tell you all about how that assumption worked out for them.
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ralle14
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January 20, 2019, 01:32:30 AM Last edit: January 20, 2019, 02:06:43 AM by ralle14 |
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And I consider anyone who uses "longevity" as a means to legitimize something as one of those stupid people because longevity doesnt mean something is legit.
True it's not guaranteed that old gambling sites will remain legit but it's rare that you'll see most of them turn to a scam site since they're generating tons of profit everyday. How could anyone think that freebitco.in is scamming them when provably fair is RIGHT THERE.
By saving every hash on all of the bets you make and check it one by one until you see something wrong. I don't know much about how provably fair works but from what I know even if their verifier says it's fair there could be a chance or other way to prove that not all rolls are fair. I'm not saying this applies to freebitcoin since I don't have proofs and I barely play on the site.
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January 20, 2019, 07:18:44 AM |
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Hey Quin, regarding the Multiply Game Bonus, is my understanding on this correct? Assuming I have 0.00256 BTC bonus: - I have to wager at least 25 times.
- Wager total has to achieve (0.00512 * 25)/ 0.128 BTC.
- Maximum 10% of the wager from the bonus (0.00512) counts. Anything above 0.000512 still counts as 0.000512.
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January 20, 2019, 07:30:07 AM Last edit: January 24, 2019, 09:29:20 AM by TheQuin |
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By saving every hash on all of the bets you make and check it one by one until you see something wrong. I don't know much about how provably fair works but from what I know even if their verifier says it's fair there could be a chance or other way to prove that not all rolls are fair. I'm not saying this applies to freebitcoin since I don't have proofs and I barely play on the site.
The verifier is provided for convenience but you can verify your rolls manually or use other tools. How the results are calculated is explained in the provably fair tab and you just need a hex to decimal converter and SHA512 hash generator which can be found online.
Hey Quin, regarding the Multiply Game Bonus, is my understanding on this correct? Assuming I have 0.00256 BTC bonus: - I have to wager at least 25 times.
- Wager total has to achieve (0.00512 * 25)/ 0.128 BTC.
- Maximum 10% of the wager from the bonus (0.00512) counts. Anything above 0.000512 still counts as 0.000512.
That's pretty much it. You can't cancel the bonus until the wagering requirements are met (that's what I get most support tickets about). Edited to fix quote.
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UserU
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January 20, 2019, 07:57:53 AM |
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That's pretty much it. You can't cancel the bonus until the wagering requirements are met (that's what I get most support tickets about).
Got it, thank you.
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January 20, 2019, 10:37:32 AM |
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And again someone with just 455 tickets won 0.16 BTC in the lottery! I had been buying over 1,000 tickets many times without any luck, so I've decided to change my strategy. From now on I'm using only the tickets I get from the free rolls. Let's see what happens. Also I just exchanged my 1,600 RP for 500% bonus on the minimum free FREE BTC reward, and now it's 0.00000324 BTC for me, which is not bad.
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January 20, 2019, 10:43:10 AM |
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And again someone with just 455 tickets won 0.16 BTC in the lottery! I had been buying over 1,000 tickets many times without any luck, so I've decided to change my strategy. From now on I'm using only the tickets I get from the free rolls. Let's see what happens. Also I just exchanged my 1,600 RP for 500% bonus on the minimum free FREE BTC reward, and now it's 0.00000324 BTC for me, which is not bad. You should go for the 1000%. Higher than the second-last tier reward
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jackg
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January 20, 2019, 02:26:25 PM |
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Why can't my account login? mail:a013124a@gmail.com
The email looks like one from a bot to start with? a013124a can't look like a valid user? Did you not think of at least adding a first name or something?
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January 20, 2019, 04:13:07 PM |
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Why can't my account login? mail:a013124a@gmail.com
Because you were stealing from freebitco.in and stealing is bad. I don't have any hopes but maybe you can try to play legit this time. Because of the botters like you, I am getting 1/3 of what I should be getting from this faucet.
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January 20, 2019, 04:39:41 PM |
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Why can't my account login? mail:a013124a@gmail.com
The email looks like one from a bot to start with? a013124a can't look like a valid user? Did you not think of at least adding a first name or something? Even his username looks like one
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January 20, 2019, 06:17:22 PM |
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Well, I haven't been to FreeBitco.in for a few years. It turns out that right now I have 10k satoshi in my wallet and I earned 0.04506873 BTC in total through my referrals with whom I shared like 0.02440395 BTC. I have 120 referrals since the times when I had been actively using this facet, and a couple of my referrals are still active (this 10k satoshi came through them, most likely). Just in case, sharing referral commissions with one's referrals was my idea
wetsuit hasn't been active since July 2018. Is he alive?
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January 20, 2019, 08:10:04 PM |
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Well, I haven't been to FreeBitco.in for a few years. It turns out that right now I have 10k satoshi in my wallet and I earned 0.04506873 BTC in total through my referrals with whom I shared like 0.02440395 BTC. I have 120 referrals since the times when I had been actively using this facet, and a couple of my referrals are still active (this 10k satoshi came through them, most likely). Just in case, sharing referral commissions with one's referrals was my idea
wetsuit hasn't been active since July 2018. Is he alive?
No one really knows. I actually think Wetsuit sold the site to TheQuinn personally and could very well have hired Wetsuit as a contract developer to assist in some sort of dev transition to others since TheQuack clearly has no technical capabilities or knowledge himself. Ever since TheQuack has been around, it has really gone down the shitter in terms of friendliness and apparently seed cheating has been discovered recently as well as other nefarious goings on which is detailed in the scam accusations thread. There has also been talk of a "rebrand" that was also announced suspiciously close to when TheQuack took over "support" roles.
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deisik
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January 20, 2019, 10:07:06 PM |
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Just use that function and see if you are being scammed or not. If you think they are making you lose against the provably fair function then they will be surely going down in a day, everyone will talk about how freebitco.in doesn't follow their own provably fair and scams peoples money from them and everyone will leave the website withdrawing their money. Moreover, that is not happening, do you know why ? Because, they are not. They have a dice game where the game is provably fair and can be PROVED (as in provably) that they are not scamming anyone. You are just unlucky and you want to put the blame on the website.
First of all, how many people actually understand what "provably fair" means and how to check For example, I don't know as I don't gamble a lot these days. And this leads us to the next question, i.e. how many people actually gamble at FreeBitco.in? With their house edge of 5% (if I'm not mistaken), I don't think that a lot. As an aside, this value alone would suffice to claim that it is far from fair, huh. Besides, there were quite a few online casinos in the past which also claimed to be "provably fair" and this didn't stop them from stealing their users' money
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January 20, 2019, 11:56:50 PM |
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Well, I haven't been to FreeBitco.in for a few years. It turns out that right now I have 10k satoshi in my wallet and I earned 0.04506873 BTC in total through my referrals with whom I shared like 0.02440395 BTC. I have 120 referrals since the times when I had been actively using this facet, and a couple of my referrals are still active (this 10k satoshi came through them, most likely). Just in case, sharing referral commissions with one's referrals was my idea
I dont have much hopes of as earning as much as that but the idea of going away a few years and coming back to the faucet and Bitcoin rose alot in worth since then, that idea seems entirely feasible. Pretty sure I did that exactly on a few accounts I used back in 2013 and left some change in. If anyone knows what I mean by dollar cost averaging then you get kinda what I mean. Just the little bits and bobs from the faucet on a solid website that would be around for a few more years, that could be awesome. People underestimate the little bits adding up, I like how the website gives more then lower the exchange price goes which is what really makes it cool with this market volatile up and down so much.
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January 21, 2019, 01:39:16 AM |
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Well, I haven't been to FreeBitco.in for a few years. It turns out that right now I have 10k satoshi in my wallet and I earned 0.04506873 BTC in total through my referrals with whom I shared like 0.02440395 BTC. I have 120 referrals since the times when I had been actively using this facet, and a couple of my referrals are still active (this 10k satoshi came through them, most likely). Just in case, sharing referral commissions with one's referrals was my idea
wetsuit hasn't been active since July 2018. Is he alive?
It's nice to return to some unexpected coin, the same thing happened to me when I didn't use the site for a while. wetsuit is very well but he hired me at first in last March to look after forum support and more recently to look after all day to day running of the site. He wants to have more time to concentrate on strategy and development.
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