NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[BloodyRookie]

Here are the original java lines and my pascal versions of these code lines. I would appreciate if you could review these.

These are mostly loop constructions I am not familiar with.

<tons of code>   

Thanks for your help!

I can help you with those things. I will contact you tomorrow via pm.

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[redsn0w]

15265031083387211287
if i go to open orders, i have about 8 orders for testDiesel placed, and I try to cancel them, but it wont let me

I sent you an arbitrary message ..

did you receive it ?

[redsn0w]

hey you try it. login is jefdiesel

I tried  to cancel the open order, and it doesn't work ... 

[ChuckOne]

The same holds true for NXT. Pooling has already begun and it will continue.

And Proof-of-Node becomes more interesting.

Could you elaborate more on this?

What do you think about TaPoS?

Neither. I'm pretty just watching evolving of technologies. What's TaPoS? 

Have a look at here :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RLcjSXWuU9vBJzzqLEXVACSCdn8zXKTTJRN_LfoCjNY/edit?pli=1

[ChuckOne]

I don't think they know what should be in a block. They only see what is in there after the block is forged.

But everyones sees what *could* be in a block, so it can be noticed if a node is shady

No. Not everybody sees what could be in a block, in fact nobody will see that in the not-so-distance future as nodes and clients will send transaction only to those nodes chosen by TF to reach the 1000 TPS.

Node 1 forges a block as defined by TF algo.
Node 2 (chosen by TF) verifies that node 1 forged its block correctly and forges the next block this is includes the validation or not of Node 1 block
If Node 1 block is invalidated then Node 1 gets no fees and the transactions are included in the list for the next node chosen by TF - NOT Node 2 the node that invalidated the block
Node 3 get its turn, it gets its transactions plus those that need to be forged from the Node 1 invalidated block and it gets to verify Node 2's block including its decision to invalidate Node 1's block.
If Node 3 decides that Node 2 made a bad decision on its transactions or the verification of Node 1 then node 4 gets Node 2s transactions.

This cycle repeats where nodes benefit from good decisions but cannot benefit if they make bad decisions which are found by other nodes and deciding a node is bad when it is not is also a bad decision.

It sound a bit complicated but essentially, what each node has to do is simply verify the immediately preceding nodes work in order to;
a) benefit from its forging opportunity
b) not be penalised by making the wrong decision about a previous nodes work.

the Next node needs to validate the previous nodes work but does not benefit from it
if the Next node makes a bad decision it is penalised but the verifying node does not benefit
because of TF the node invalidating the work cannot influence or control where the next block id forged and therefore control the outcome of its decision or benefit from it directly.

So if TF picks several bad nodes in a row then they will benefit but any 2 or more good nodes in the chain will unravel the bad nodes work.
I don't think complicated consensus rules are needed with this because  a node knows its decision is verified by the next node and it can't control who the verifier of its work will be.

hope I explained this well enough.. may still be too complicated.

TF does not choose nodes. It chooses accounts.

Still, no node can/will ever know every to-be-verified transaction in the foreseeable future. Why? Because, we cannot have a broadcast in such a distributed network. It's too expensive and too slow.

[marek3ball]

Work done on messaging area for http://nxtra.org/nxt-client

Not done yet, but done for the day...

http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/messages_2.png

Hi, my testNXT balance is 474 and I have tried to buy 2 VitaminXT. Total price 51 and my NXT Wallet is saying "Not enough funds".

Then I have tried to send mesage and again, "Not enough funds"

What is wrong?

14928479602272924530

F5

ctrl + F5 didn't help

[mikesbmw]

[2014-02-17 20:15:55.657] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 2507106602597677499 at h
eight 68774 received from node01.nxtcrypto.de, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 20:16:02.117] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 2507106602597677499 at h
eight 68774 received from node90.nxtbase.com, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 20:16:06.913] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 2507106602597677499 at h
eight 68774 received from node01.nxtcrypto.de, blacklisting

Block 2507106602597677499 is the correct block to be at that height:
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=2507106602597677499

If your node refuses to accept it, this means you are on a fork. Your base target is probably very high too, another indication of being on the wrong fork.

If it doesn't recover by itself, you will need to delete the nxt_db folder and redownload the blockchain.

Okay, strange.

I started 0.7.5 fresh. So no files from a previous installation, downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Also sending and receiving money goes without a problem (I even forged a block yesterday evening).

I will try to redownload the blockchain.

Thanks for answering!

[ChuckOne]

[2014-02-17 20:15:55.657] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 2507106602597677499 at h
eight 68774 received from node01.nxtcrypto.de, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 20:16:02.117] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 2507106602597677499 at h
eight 68774 received from node90.nxtbase.com, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 20:16:06.913] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 2507106602597677499 at h
eight 68774 received from node01.nxtcrypto.de, blacklisting

Block 2507106602597677499 is the correct block to be at that height:
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=2507106602597677499

If your node refuses to accept it, this means you are on a fork. Your base target is probably very high too, another indication of being on the wrong fork.

If it doesn't recover by itself, you will need to delete the nxt_db folder and redownload the blockchain.

What is wrong with the consensus mechanism?

[brooklynbtc]

15265031083387211287
if i go to open orders, i have about 8 orders for testDiesel placed, and I try to cancel them, but it wont let me

I sent you an arbitrary message ..

did you receive it ?

it received but when i tried to reply it said not enough funds, even though its showing 2900 in my balance

[cellone]

I just created account in http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

NXT:1583769375542943526

can anyone tell me how to fund this account?

[ChuckOne]

What do you think about TaPoS?

@JL
@CfB
Would it be possible to include TaPoS into NXT?

[wesleyh]

15265031083387211287
if i go to open orders, i have about 8 orders for testDiesel placed, and I try to cancel them, but it wont let me

I sent you an arbitrary message ..

did you receive it ?

it received but when i tried to reply it said not enough funds, even though its showing 2900 in my balance

I just checked it , your effectiveBalance is zero.. your "balance" is 2900.. Will have to ask come-from-beyond how this is possible?..

[EvilDave]

A system has already been created to reward running a public node.  https://www.peerexplorer.com/ (seems to be down right now for maintenance).

Sponsors create caches in the form of small amounts of NXT which are rewarded to registered public nodes.

Hmmm....must have been asleep at my desk when this happened. or it could have got lost in the information tsunami that is this thread.....

...or another thread:
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2266.120.html

Obviously I need to get out more......pity the cache system seems to have got gamed/broken.

LOL, probably lost in the tsunami

Looking at the nextcoin.org post, seems he's shutting it down after some recent changes let someone walk away with 4100 NXT...  A real pity.  The peerexplorer.com cache system encouraged me to set up a few extra public VPS nodes.  Hope he reconsiders...

Thinking generally here: we've put a lot of effort into clients, AM, AE, marketing, etc over the last few weeks, but network infrastructure has been put a little to one side, since the massive efforts we made in December/January to get the current infrastructure up and running smoothly.

Looking at the peer explorer :
https://www.peerexplorer.com/
I'm only seeing 399 active nodes right now. One of them is mine, so I am currently responsible for 0.25% of NXTs network.
 Hmmmm......I would feel happier if we had more nodes. 1000 seems like a nice number.

So, what do u guys think? Do we need more nodes ?
How can we encourage more people to run nodes, given that forging revenues are not exactly brilliant right now?

[weglaufbürger]

After some problems i solved the installing of the wallet in my localbrowser. Can someone send me some Test NXT to the adress:   9271107083356993375

Many thanks for your help  

[ChuckOne]

I just checked it , your effectiveBalance is zero.. your "balance" is 2900.. Will have to ask come-from-beyond how this is possible?..

It takes some time: 1440 blocks

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_API#Get_Balance

[Mistafreeze]

A system has already been created to reward running a public node.  https://www.peerexplorer.com/ (seems to be down right now for maintenance).

Sponsors create caches in the form of small amounts of NXT which are rewarded to registered public nodes.

Hmmm....must have been asleep at my desk when this happened. or it could have got lost in the information tsunami that is this thread.....

...or another thread:
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2266.120.html

Obviously I need to get out more......pity the cache system seems to have got gamed/broken.

LOL, probably lost in the tsunami

Looking at the nextcoin.org post, seems he's shutting it down after some recent changes let someone walk away with 4100 NXT...  A real pity.  The peerexplorer.com cache system encouraged me to set up a few extra public VPS nodes.  Hope he reconsiders...

Thinking generally here: we've put a lot of effort into clients, AM, AE, marketing, etc over the last few weeks, but network infrastructure has been put a little to one side, since the massive efforts we made in December/January to get the current infrastructure up and running smoothly.

Looking at the peer explorer :
https://www.peerexplorer.com/
I'm only seeing 399 active nodes right now. One of them is mine, so I am currently responsible for 0.25% of NXTs network.
 Hmmmm......I would feel happier if we had more nodes. 1000 seems like a nice number.

So, what do u guys think? Do we need more nodes ?
How can we encourage more people to run nodes, given that forging revenues are not exactly brilliant right now?

For some reason my node never shows on Peer Explorer, yet people are connected to it. I also am able to claim caches there.
*shrug*

[mikesbmw]

Block 2507106602597677499 is the correct block to be at that height:
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=1000&blk=2507106602597677499

If your node refuses to accept it, this means you are on a fork. Your base target is probably very high too, another indication of being on the wrong fork.

If it doesn't recover by itself, you will need to delete the nxt_db folder and redownload the blockchain.

Okay, strange.

I started 0.7.5 fresh. So no files from a previous installation, downloaded the blockchain from scratch. Also sending and receiving money goes without a problem (I even forged a block yesterday evening).

I will try to redownload the blockchain.

Thanks for answering!

Redownloaded the blockchain, but to no avail:

[2014-02-17 21:04:56.203] DEBUG: Will apply sql:
ALTER TABLE block DROP COLUMN IF EXISTS index
[2014-02-17 21:04:56.223] DEBUG: Will apply sql:
ALTER TABLE transaction DROP COLUMN IF EXISTS index
[2014-02-17 21:04:56.234] Updated database is at level 15
[2014-02-17 21:04:56.444] Genesis block not in database, starting from scratch
[2014-02-17 21:04:56.610] Scanning blockchain...
[2014-02-17 21:04:56.693] ...Done
[2014-02-17 21:04:56.812] NRS 0.7.5 started successfully.
[2014-02-17 21:14:22.821] Checksum passed at block 30000
[2014-02-17 21:22:23.586] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 13734259069497850723 at
height 68803 received from node55.nxtbase.com, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 21:22:26.391] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 13734259069497850723 at
height 68803 received from miasik.no-ip.org, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 21:22:50.345] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 209947979157787352 at he
ight 68804 received from nxt.homer.ru, blacklisting
[2014-02-17 21:23:02.295] DEBUG: Failed to accept block 209947979157787352 at he
ight 68804 received from node10.nxtbase.com, blacklisting

[wesleyh]

I just checked it , your effectiveBalance is zero.. your "balance" is 2900.. Will have to ask come-from-beyond how this is possible?..

It takes some time: 1440 blocks

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_API#Get_Balance

ok, that is for forging, why is effectivebalance used for everything else also?  (in testnet)

[ChuckOne]

I just checked it , your effectiveBalance is zero.. your "balance" is 2900.. Will have to ask come-from-beyond how this is possible?..

It takes some time: 1440 blocks

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Nxt_API#Get_Balance

ok, that is for forging, why is effectivebalance used for everything else also?  (in testnet)

You mean for the Asset Exchange and the Voting System?

[punkrock]

It would be great if we could send a system-message to all accounts, which were active in the past 7 days to promote such votings. With a client, which uses auto-update-function it should work easily.

LET'S CATCH THE DOGE!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE VOTE! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Unregistered users are allowed up to 3 votes per hour, whilst registered users are allowed 6 votes per hour!

Please quote me, share on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit... thanks!

LET'S CATCH THE DOGE!