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March 20, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
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Citizenship or visa aren't necessary sometimes.

CIS (except for Georgia), Abkhazia, South Osetia, Ghana, Albania, Angola, Venezuela, Israel, Argentina, Salvador, Peru, Equador citizens are allowed to visit Russian Federation for up to 90 days;
Serbia and Chernogoria, Cuba, Antigua, Barbuda, Barbados, Macedonia, Maldives, Thailand - 30 days;

Philippines - trial period is limited with 21 days;
Vietnam - 15 days;

and a few other exceptions.

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March 20, 2014, 01:16:32 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt659S3Fh8Y

"Consequences of the EU and US sanctions"
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March 20, 2014, 01:25:31 PM
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this is sad for people of the same country to possibly undergo war specially if it's followed by a russian invasion.

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March 20, 2014, 01:30:11 PM
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The Soviet Union didn't fall - the SSR leaders dismantled it.  The Governors in the U.S. could do the samething with the Federal Government.

As per the ethnic uprisings - I agree U.S. had limited impact.  IIRC, Finland funded the singing revolution (google it) in the Baltic States, so there's a scapegoat if you need one.

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March 20, 2014, 01:48:36 PM
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Also Eastern Europe just created a reason for Russia to invade them:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/18/eastern-europe-moves-for-energy-from-us/

That was a stupid move!

Nah, I don't think Russia would care. Russia is not about to invade anybody.
If someone wants to join Russia, go ahead and vote for it on the local level, and Russia would give you a brotherly welcome.
Taking a territory by force never leads to anything good.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/19/russia-threatens-estonia-17th-member-of-eurozone/

Though that article is strong-worded, does it nowhere point out the source that Russia threatened Estonia in any way. If anything this new wave of hysteria comes from Hillary Clinton's lips.

As for how Estonia treats its Russian-speaking population... Have you hear the term "niggers"? This bitter term is a play on the word "non-citizens" (нeгpaждaнe), applied to the Russian population of Estonia, who are denied citizenship and thus any human rights. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler, it's the Estonian government, who are not far from starting physically branding Russian population. David's star, anyone?

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March 20, 2014, 03:08:48 PM
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As for how Estonia treats its Russian-speaking population... Have you hear the term "niggers"? This bitter term is a play on the word "non-citizens" (нeгpaждaнe), applied to the Russian population of Estonia, who are denied citizenship and thus any human rights. If anyone is to be compared to Hitler, it's the Estonian government, who are not far from starting physically branding Russian population. David's star, anyone?
Of course this couldn't be an excuse for what they are doing with human rights, but their problem is that Estonians are becoming extinct as the nation. Just compare an official statistics from 1990s to the present days... Estonians population is decreasing constantly. If this will continue then 40-50 years later Estonia will be turned into one big cementary.

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March 20, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
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Maidaners are beating the police in Kiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEM0jjihFU

Svoboda members pulling on the director of the first Ukrainian channel to sign off his duty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHKfJuUvThM

Ukraine police interrogation by maidan volunteers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdjYodKQ6B0

A man interrogation by maidan volunteers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwoZvsF_138

An attempted murder of a deputy in Myrhorod, Ukraine, (10:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-jjVjajfHw

Automaidan activists attempt to racket the Lucoil director.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVnS5Fwz9w8

Maidaner is beating the woman near the maidan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhPk0VxCzbs
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March 20, 2014, 05:03:03 PM
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s/Maidaners/Maidummies/ig

obvious fix
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March 20, 2014, 05:09:15 PM
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Scary, apparently there were/are several EU(file) ministers publicly calling for an EU army to be formed.
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March 20, 2014, 06:32:39 PM
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Scary, apparently there were/are several EU(file) ministers publicly calling for an EU army to be formed.
now wee need a leader to start the Fourth Reich, Merkel is that you ?

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 20, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
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Ukraine expects to increase domestic gas prices by 40% once discounted import prices from Russia expire, the country’s Energy Minister Yury Prodan told journalists in the European Parliament on Thursday.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/honeymoon-over-ukraine-stun-citizens-40-gas-price-hike
so who keeps the 10% ? if the price gets up 40% and the russian discount was 30% who pocket the difference ?

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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March 20, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
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REVOLUTION!

Jefferson Airplane!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KigBEoBxhmE

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March 21, 2014, 01:18:21 AM
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Soviet Union fell apart because of an oversized war machine, where most of country's production went towards feeding that beast

Soviet Union collapsed after the crude oil prices nosedived. Don't invent any new theories.
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The Indians also would have been the natural majority of the US, if they were not killed off by the colonists.

Not true. Over 90% of the natives died as a result of a plague brought by the first explorers, way before most of the settlers got here. It was a literal apocalypse:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the term "Ukraine" means "on the border", "on the edge", which explains that map pretty well - the territories on the Southern borders/edge of what was Keiv Rus, and became Russia, with time stated to be referred to as Укpaинa ("Ukraina"). Not to put down Ukrainians, in Russian there is an everyday derived word, oкpaинa ("okraina"), which means "outskirts", "suburbs".

It didn't become Russia. Russia and Ukraine have been separate countries for a very long time. Yes, in Russian there is a work "okraina" whic means "outskirts," but in Ukrainian there is a word "kraina," which means "country." I suspect Russians have been trying to turn "Ukraina" into something similar to "okraina" for quite some time, but that's not the meaning. Also, when Kievan Rus broke apart in 12th century, Russia was still fairly far away, as a separate country. Only time Kiev or it's borders were considered part of Russia or Poland was when Ukraine was temporarily conquered by them. Otherwise it was still a separate country, before and after (and now). I'm sure Russia would love to clam that Ukraine is just a borderland of their own territory, and take it "back" as it had it under USSR, but, no thanks :/

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March 21, 2014, 02:35:09 AM
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The Indians also would have been the natural majority of the US, if they were not killed off by the colonists.

Not true. Over 90% of the natives died as a result of a plague brought by the first explorers, way before most of the settlers got here. It was a literal apocalypse:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html

You should stop trying to teach real history to those whose minds have been infected with rivionist history.

Doing so will only give you a headache.

My $.02.

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March 21, 2014, 03:42:33 AM
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The Indians also would have been the natural majority of the US, if they were not killed off by the colonists.

Not true. Over 90% of the natives died as a result of a plague brought by the first explorers, way before most of the settlers got here.

What load of BS? It was the colonists who deliberately spread smallpox and plague to exterminate the natives.

A total of 2,100,000 Indians lived in the US when the colonizers first arrived. The population steadily declined as follows: (Source: Thorton, Russel (1990). American Indian holocaust and survival: a population history since 1492)

1700: 1,500,000
1800: 600,000
1890: 250,000

After 1890, the population slowly increased due to access to quality medicare and now the population stands at around 2 million.
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March 21, 2014, 03:44:03 AM
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You should stop trying to teach real history to those whose minds have been infected with rivionist history.

Who give you the monopoly for real history?

I don't want any brainwashed Americans to teach me history. 
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Plus, as I mentioned earlier, the term "Ukraine" means "on the border", "on the edge", which explains that map pretty well - the territories on the Southern borders/edge of what was Keiv Rus, and became Russia, with time stated to be referred to as Укpaинa ("Ukraina"). Not to put down Ukrainians, in Russian there is an everyday derived word, oкpaинa ("okraina"), which means "outskirts", "suburbs".

It didn't become Russia. Russia and Ukraine have been separate countries for a very long time. Yes, in Russian there is a work "okraina" whic means "outskirts," but in Ukrainian there is a word "kraina," which means "country." I suspect Russians have been trying to turn "Ukraina" into something similar to "okraina" for quite some time, but that's not the meaning. Also, when Kievan Rus broke apart in 12th century, Russia was still fairly far away, as a separate country. Only time Kiev or it's borders were considered part of Russia or Poland was when Ukraine was temporarily conquered by them. Otherwise it was still a separate country, before and after (and now). I'm sure Russia would love to clam that Ukraine is just a borderland of their own territory, and take it "back" as it had it under USSR, but, no thanks :/

No one is planning on taking Ukraina anywhere and turning it into "okraina" (sorry, forgot about the US/EU plans there for a second).
As for the word games (word history), true, interpretations can vary to suite the needs of the moment. By the way, Russian has a word "kraj", which has two meanings: both "edge" and "place" (as in "rodnoj kraj" - "home place").

You are also right in that Ukraina didn't become Russia, it never seized being it, though the political "elite" tugged and drew people populating these lands in different directions. Still, when people speak of "the mother of all Russian towns", they don't mean Moskva, then mean Kiev.


Soviet Union fell apart because of an oversized war machine, where most of country's production went towards feeding that beast

Soviet Union collapsed after the crude oil prices nosedived. Don't invent any new theories.

I am not inventing a new theory, I am stating the obvious. The oil prices were the death knell, yet over-the-top spendings in the military sector, coupled with total neglect for people's needs (deficit Wink) over a prolonged period of time created a tension that was waiting for a trigger factor.

You should stop trying to teach real history to those whose minds have been infected with rivionist history.

Who give you the monopoly for real history?

I don't want any brainwashed Americans to teach me history.  

Well, non-native Americans seem to think that they have an exclusive right to the history of the land they are living on. They also seem to think that they have an exclusive right to the history of native Slavic people of Eastern and Central Europe. Oh, the irony.

In minor news:
- VISA and MasterCard stopped without any explanations payment processing for people who use two banks whose owners ended up on the sanctions list. (Now we know that VISA and MasterCasrd are owned by the same people who in tern are owned by the Western governments)
 - http://rt.com/news/eu-sanctions-russia-ukraine-197/  (Merkel starts sounding desperate)

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March 21, 2014, 09:18:45 AM
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Soviet Union fell apart because of an oversized war machine, where most of country's production went towards feeding that beast

Soviet Union collapsed after the crude oil prices nosedived. Don't invent any new theories.

No, Soviet Union collapsed because of economic inefficiencies. Has nothing to do with oversized war machine or oil prices.



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No, Soviet Union collapsed because of economic inefficiencies.
To be specific with the failure of price discovery mechanism

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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