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May 20, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
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lol.... great news. Means a lot for the Ukrainians, who are suffering from record inflation and unemployment. Poroshenko and Tymoshenko might hire hundreds of unemployed posters (one of them I believe is active in this thread as well). Any idea how much they are paying?
$200/week
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May 20, 2014, 12:01:24 PM
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$200/week

Decent rates as well!

The average monthly wages in Ukraine are hovering around the € 120-150 mark right now, with the devaluation of Hryvina. They are paying more than 5 times the average monthly wage. 
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May 20, 2014, 12:16:09 PM
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NATO countries have promised Ukrainian authorities an "all-sided support".
http://ria.ru/world/20140520/1008531991.html

"The members of the council praised important Ukrainian role in giving peace and security to Europe and the world in the whole, assured the ukrainian delegatian of the continued support, and also pointed out continued readiness to intensify cooperation".

That was a quote! It almost sounded like sarcasm... or doublespeak.



Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs noted that elections on the 25th of May without prior military de-escalation and adherence to the Geneva roadmap will only lead to worsening of the situation in Ukraine:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/258510



Ukrainian border patrol noticed retraction of Russian troops after they inspected 820km stretch of the border, looking 10km into the Russian territory.
http://ria.ru/world/20140520/1008552363.html
In the meantime, NATO says there is no retractions, so obviously the Ukrainian's eyesight must be failing. Or the Ukrainians gave a hasty statement which does not conform to NATO guidelines.

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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May 20, 2014, 01:24:36 PM
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Now they don't have anymore excuses.

Ukraine confirms Russian troop pullout from border ahead of polls

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/europe/story/ukraine-confirms-russian-troop-pullout-border-ahead-polls-20140520
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May 20, 2014, 06:43:40 PM
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We all know the White house petitions, and the last petition regarding letting Alaska join Russia.

Now, there is a less joking petition for listing Russia in US list of countries aiding terrorists, and that petition go over 100000 votes, so the White house will need to respond.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/20/petition/

Regarding terrorism, let's not forget that Russia issued an Interpol arrest order of Yarosh for terrorist activities in Chechenija. Such international arrest orders are always well documented before being submitted. No one hastes to apprehend Yarosh. Moreover, he's the US-backed poster boy for becoming the next president of Ukraine. Now, who's aiding terrorists.

One of the commentators wrote that Ukrainian forums were spammed with links to this petition these past says.



All sized possessions of the current president of Ukraine, Yanukovich, will be auctioned away:
http://economics.unian.net/finance/919940-kabmin-pustit-s-molotka-imuschestvo-yanukovicha-i-ego-okrujeniya.html

Seems like the junta is trying to transfer the properties into their possession before the 25th....

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May 20, 2014, 08:54:36 PM
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May 21, 2014, 01:16:39 AM
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Balthazar aren`t the citizen of Ukraine, so I`m!
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May 21, 2014, 05:05:27 AM
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Balthazar aren`t the citizen of Ukraine, so I`m!
He вapтo бyти тaким кaтeгopичним. Hac тyт знaчнo бiльшe, нiж мoжe здaтиcя. Cheesy

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Ocь тiльки щo цe вce oзнaчaє? Звичaйнa втoмa? Шизoфpeнiя? A, мoжe, мaнiя пepecлiдyвaння мyчить? Cheesy Пiдcpaчник би нe зaвaдилo тoбi дaти, щoб дyмaв, щo пишeш... Iди i нe мiшaй дopocлим дядькaм. Tongue
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May 21, 2014, 07:37:51 AM
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If anyone's wondering what happened above, Balthazar applied some troll repellent in Ukrainian.  Grin





The image is a brilliant trolling reversal. Some background first. Maidaners took to calling the South-Eastern resistance for "Colorado bugs" because of the striped nature of the St.George ribbon. They failed to learn geography, and thus didn't know that Colorado was in the USA. From there, if was just one step to this picture.

The text in the picture says: "The new history of Ukraine. Pest invasion from EU and US."

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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May 21, 2014, 08:57:38 AM
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US parrots Kiev claims detained Russian journalists were ‘aiding terrorists’
http://rt.com/usa/160300-us-ukraine-russian-journalists/

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Washington has failed to condemn the detention of Russian journalists by Ukrainian troops, instead parroting Kiev’s accusations that they were abetting terrorists. The US appears to be biased in its attitude towards media professionals working in Ukraine.

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However Washington questions whether the detainees are journalists at all, despite their long records of working as media professionals.

“The Ukrainian Security Services, according to reports, have detained a number of people who were in possession of fake journalist credentials issued by the non-existent Donetsk People’s Republic,” US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said at a daily press briefing.

I wasn't expecting anything else from the US. They desperately need to get all "inconvenient" journalists out of Ukraine or silence them prior to the 25th.

There is a video, connected to this US statement, and I like one reader comment regarding it:

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JerryBear 21.05.2014 08:56

Given the money and effort the State dept has put into regime change in Ukraine, you'd think their press conferences would be very slick and persuasive events.

But they're not - they come across as singularly suspicious and 'shifty'.

I f the rest of the State dept is run like this, the wheels seem to have come off completely.

Looking at the other journalists in these conferences, they look confused to the point of disbelief.



OSCE sends 1000 observers and US sends about 1/10th of its observers to Ukraine. 11.4 million dollars are also transferred.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/377201

We also need to remember that the "wrong" journalists are arrested or deported.

One of the readers commented: "Will all these observers arrive with their own weapons, or will they be provided locally?"

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May 21, 2014, 11:28:26 AM
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May 21, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
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The UNHCR says that tens of thousands of people have been displaced in the Ukrainian civil war so far.

UNHCR says internal displacement affects some 10,000 people in Ukraine

http://www.unrefugees.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=lfIQKSOwFqG&b=8238381&ct=13949517&utm_source=%40OurTweets
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May 21, 2014, 12:04:19 PM
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Is there any report on how many people have lost their lives from the start of the year?

I see daily reports of people getting shot and I'm sure those are only the few in the cases where bodies get discovered.
How many crimes are actually happening in the night , made by gangs with no involvement in the fight for independence , just out for money ?

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May 21, 2014, 12:21:38 PM
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More opposition from the German government over the blind pro-US policies of Merkel.

It’s a dead end': German FM joins chorus of discontent over Russia sanctions rhetoric

http://rt.com/news/159716-germany-sanctions-russia-criticism/
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May 21, 2014, 12:36:08 PM
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Is there any report on how many people have lost their lives from the start of the year?

I see daily reports of people getting shot and I'm sure those are only the few in the cases where bodies get discovered.
How many crimes are actually happening in the night , made by gangs with no involvement in the fight for independence , just out for money ?


Not as far as I know. It's still too early to say. Even Yugoslavia still has no definitive numbers of the people who lost their lives.

What we have so far, are the more publicised cases:
Maidan: between 100 and 780 (http://interfax.com.ua/news/political/200129.html)
Odessa: between 46 and 116 (http://www.newsru.com/world/06may2014/opoznali.html and http://ria.ru/world/20140505/1006617152.html)
Mariupol: between 7 and 20 (http://ria.ru/world/20140509/1007188351.html)
Ukrainian soldiers shot by National Guard: 10 (http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/18/n_6160853.shtml)
Resistance fighter losses in Slavjansk: 20+ (http://russian.rt.com/article/30660)
Civilians killed during artillery shelling of Slavjansk: Unknown (http://rusvesna.su/news/1400607313 and http://ria.ru/world/20140512/1007439367.html)



On that note, more losses are expected, Ukrainian army pulled 40 more units of artillery to Slavjansk:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/21/slavyansk/

In the meantime, Putin said that several representatives of Ukrainian right-wing extremist groups were arrested in Russia:
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/377280

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May 21, 2014, 12:40:11 PM
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^^^ The death toll in Mariupol might be several dozens. Graham Philips was investigating the mass murder by Right Sector Nazis there, when he was detained by the Kiev-junta supporters. See his last tweet:

That confirmed figure of 11 at one morgue, with doctor saying more may have gone elsewhere shows HRW figure of 7 was false.
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May 21, 2014, 02:38:39 PM
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Russia withdraws troops from Ukraine border to create ‘benign conditions’ ahead of elections
http://rt.com/news/160456-russia-troops-border-ukraine/

Love the quotes:

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“All the units which were involved in performing scheduled combat training exercises in remote areas will return to their permanent stations by the beginning of summer,” the ministry added.

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 Putin stressed that this was a gesture of goodwill rather than Russia bending to the pressure.

“We keep our troops wherever we want,” he said.

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 The calls prompted irritated comments from Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov earlier on Tuesday, who gave voice to Russian generals’ displeasure over being lectured on what they should do inside Russia.

“Could anyone explain me, taking our tanks how many kilometers from the border would be enough for you to say, ‘OK, we are satisfied’? Five kilometers, 10, a hundred?” he lashed out

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 US Army Secretary John McHugh spoke along the same lines.

"What we know thus far is that there has been certain troop movements, but I have received no confirmation, either through Pentagon sources or NATO sources, that there has been a wholesale repositioning of those troops off the border," McHugh said.

NATO’s failure to spot the movements of the Russian troops called for a comment from Putin, who said “if the weather is fine, they will see it from space.”

“If somebody cannot see what is happening, let him watch closer,” he added.

Now, it's US' turn to pull it's troops from Poland and the Baltics, as well as from Mexican and Canadian borders.

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May 21, 2014, 03:17:14 PM
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Russia Urges Ukraine To Stop "Poking Nose" Into 'Top Gun' Air Drills

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-21/russia-urges-ukraine-stop-poking-nose-top-gun-air-drills

Russian troops preparing to leave Ukraine border area – Reuters

http://www.zennie62blog.com/2014/05/21/russian-troops-preparing-to-leave-ukraine-border-area-reuters-19210/
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May 21, 2014, 03:38:26 PM
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Balthazar aren`t the citizen of Ukraine, so I`m!
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Ocь тiльки щo цe вce oзнaчaє? Звичaйнa втoмa? Шизoфpeнiя? A, мoжe, мaнiя пepecлiдyвaння мyчить? Cheesy Пiдcpaчник би нe зaвaдилo тoбi дaти, щoб дyмaв, щo пишeш... Iди i нe мiшaй дopocлим дядькaм. Tongue
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динoзaвp ты нeдoбитый, oшибкa пpиpoды фaтaльнaя, a нe cocнyть бы тeбe кyйцa?
cкyшaй cлaдкoй вaты, aвocь пoпycтит нeмнoгo.
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Balthazar aren`t the citizen of Ukraine, so I`m!
He вapтo бyти тaким кaтeгopичним. Hac тyт знaчнo бiльшe, нiж мoжe здaтиcя. Cheesy

динoзaвp, cтyли пeлькy и нe бaзикaй, мocкaлыкy.
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Ocь тiльки щo цe вce oзнaчaє? Звичaйнa втoмa? Шизoфpeнiя? A, мoжe, мaнiя пepecлiдyвaння мyчить? Cheesy Пiдcpaчник би нe зaвaдилo тoбi дaти, щoб дyмaв, щo пишeш... Iди i нe мiшaй дopocлим дядькaм. Tongue
кocит пoд yкpaинцa yтыpoк
Я тaк бaчy, тyт ктo-тo yжe caм c coбoй бaлaкaeт. Smiley Шизoфpeния oнa тaкaя, шo з нeй ни poбi, вcё paвнo кpышa paнo или пoзднo yeдeт)
динoзaвp ты нeдoбитый, oшибкa пpиpoды фaтaльнaя, a нe cocнyть бы тeбe кyйцa?
cкyшaй cлaдкoй вaты, aвocь пoпycтит нeмнoгo.
ты cмoтpи кa pacкyкapeкaлcя тyт пидapoк дыpявый!
poт я твoй oбoccывaл!
Oпять в iнтepнeтi cидиш? Tи вжe пoкaзaв cвiй iнтeлeкт, тaк щo iди ypoки poби. Grin
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