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June 21, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
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Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

Actually, if you know enough about the scientific findings and have thought them over, you do in fact know that all the current schemes for carbon reduction are FAILS.   You know that many of them are close to being outright frauds, and others are well into the scam category.

The discussion of such things should never be suppressed.
The ugly head of a socialist power grab, rising once again. Climate change is the new socialism.


I don't know if climate change is the new socialism. It is something new. Proof is now the Vatican is in. It is about control as none of what is being pushed to "save the planet" is about planet saving.





It's a socialism that goes beyond nationalism, the new trendy.  Just like Islam disregards national boundaries for it's own motives.  But it can affect action and decision within a nation by bringing large forces to bear.

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June 22, 2015, 06:05:38 AM
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The Pope joins the EU in a sad world of make-believe



There are two great acts of political make-believe in our time, so all-pervasive that it is hard for us to grasp just how much effect they are having on our lives


What has a Papal Encyclical calling on the world to end its use of fossil fuels and to pray to God for the success of the global “climate summit” in December got in common with the Greek euro crisis, the ominous rift between the West and Russia, and the shambles Europe is making over the desperation of African and Syrian refugees to find safety this side of the Mediterranean? They are all different aspects of the two greatest acts of political make-believe of our time, so all-pervasive that it is hard for us to grasp just how much effect they are having on all our lives.

When future historians come to look back on our age, few things will puzzle them more than the extent to which our politics became so dominated and bedevilled by two belief-systems, each based on an obsessive attempt to force into being an immensely complicated political construct which defied economic, psychological and scientific reality.


One of these was the peculiar way in which Europe’s politicians, with full support from the US, had set out to unite their continent under a form of supra-national government unlike anything the world had seen before. The other was the way those same politicians fell for the idea not just that human activities were disastrously changing Earth’s climate, but that by taking the most drastic measures they could somehow change it back again.

Although for quite a time these two belief systems seemed to carry all before them, each was essentially based on a fantasy view of the world; and it is in the nature of trying to act out a fantasy that it must eventually overreach itself, to the point where it collides unpleasantly with reality.

The essence of the “European” fantasy was not just that it could gradually weld all Europe together in “ever closer union” by overriding and eliminating the kind of nationalism which had led to wars; but that it could continually expand its own “empire”. We now see in all directions how that sense of national interest cannot be eliminated.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11688994/The-Pope-joins-the-EU-in-a-sad-world-of-make-believe.html


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June 22, 2015, 11:26:14 AM
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Earth is still gaining enough energy to vaporize a Sydney Harbour's worth of water every 90 minutes.

https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/750/4847/original.jpg

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June 22, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
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Earth is still gaining enough energy to vaporize a Sydney Harbour's worth of water every 90 minutes.






Earth gaining energy from?


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CO2 makes plants green, garbage on the other hand gets into the food we eat:

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Besides the particles' danger to wildlife, on the microscopic level the floating debris can absorb organic pollutants from seawater, including PCBs, DDT, and PAHs. Aside from toxic effects, when ingested, some of these are mistaken by the endocrine system as estradiol, causing hormone disruption in the affected animal. These toxin-containing plastic pieces are also eaten by jellyfish, which are then eaten by larger fish.

Many of these fish are then consumed by humans, resulting in their ingestion of toxic chemicals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

Do you ever wonder what effect eating these newfangled quantum dots is going to have?



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CO2 makes plants green, garbage on the other hand gets into the food we eat:

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Besides the particles' danger to wildlife, on the microscopic level the floating debris can absorb organic pollutants from seawater, including PCBs, DDT, and PAHs. Aside from toxic effects, when ingested, some of these are mistaken by the endocrine system as estradiol, causing hormone disruption in the affected animal. These toxin-containing plastic pieces are also eaten by jellyfish, which are then eaten by larger fish.

Many of these fish are then consumed by humans, resulting in their ingestion of toxic chemicals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

Do you ever wonder what effect eating these newfangled quantum dots is going to have?




No one on this planet likes to eat and swallow garbage. Certainly not on this thread, including yourself.
That is why it was faith and emotion that pushed reddit to ban people they did not agree with. People not willing to eat and swallow garbage.



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June 22, 2015, 04:12:53 PM
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Top UN Official Says Global Warming Killed Us All 15 Years Ago…






http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB7304FF9A84273&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM


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The Great Global Warming Swindle [documentary]
https://youtu.be/D-m09lKtYT4

A good, scientifically-sound film to watch, when forming one's opinion on the matter.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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As usual, I don't remember if I got the link off this board or not, but someone uploaded a vid for historical reference which is very interesting.  The movie was made in the early 1970's and was re-broadcast in the early 1990's to 'set the mood' for the 'earth summit' in Rio.  It was from this Rio summit that the Agenda 21 action plan came.  The 1972 version was apparently made as a set-up for a convention in Stockholm.

Survival of Spaceship Earth (1972)

Although one needs to have a barf bag handy to watch the thing, it is highly interesting in a number of ways.  As a tie-in to this thread, it was done closing in on half a century ago and one would, if one bought the message, believe we were at the cusp of impending disaster at that time.

The early 1970's are when my mind was  in high development phase so some of the imagery is fun for that reason.  I personally have been more on the political left and it is personally interesting to see how some of my thought patterns were formed.

More generally, the film was made at a time when Rockefeller's and the U.N.'s involvement in these types of social programs were less circumspect.  Certain of the propaganda methods were done in a more crude form than we see today.

I've heard tell that the idea of using global climate as a lever point came out of the 'Club of Rome' (whatever that is) and was rather ingenious in that 'the enemy is us' which makes it something of a perpetual war.  In the movies we see 'global warming' in it's gestational form.  One of the interviewees make mention of it, but from a more general thermodynamics point of view.  This notion is absurd from a physics point of view so in later years it was tuned to by associated with a more plausible scenario involving CO2.

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In defense of these early activists, I will say that back 50 years ago we actually were making some big mistakes and big problems.  Mostly in terms of pollution.  We've made great strides since then and in no small part due to some of their activities.  Kudos.  It is simply not cools to fuck things up when alternates exists, and it is worth reasonable sacrifices not to do so.  This philosophy was not as widely held when I was  kid in the 1970's.  Some of these people actually cared about the environment in it's own right and are smart enough to quite when we are ahead and hold the reasonable gains we've made.  I think I'm in this category.


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June 23, 2015, 01:52:46 AM
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I agree that the proposals for carbon reduction so far publicly floated are fails. 

There are geo-engineering proposals that people aren't convinced are necessary yet. They are regarded as too desperate and extreme. 

They will seem less desperate and extreme as the failure to apply them becomes more desperate and extreme.

But I suspect the decision to use them will not be made until far too late. 

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New Zealand looking at record low temperatures

JUNE 22, 2015

“One of our coldest days in history,” shouts headline. “New Zealand shivers as mercury plummets. ”Temperatures at Lake Pukaki dropped to -22 C (-7.6 F) overnight as the big freeze continues to envelop New Zealand. Breakfast weather presenter Sam Wallace says the low temperatures are starting to get close to the New Zealand record, which was -25.6 degree Celsius in 1903 in Ranfurly. “It’s down there New Zealand, one of our coldest days in history,” said Wallace. ‘It’s temperatures like I’ve never seen before. ’“Boy we’re in for a cold one New Zealand. we’re actually looking at record temperatures,” he says. Lake Pukaki is west of Timaru and south of Aoraki/Mount Cook.The MetService said Omarama went as low as -16.7 degrees and Tekapo -13 degrees.Invercargill was at -3.6 degrees, Alexandra -5.1 degrees and Queenstown -5.3 degrees.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/boy-we-re-in-cold-one-new-zealand-lake-pukaki-freezes-22-degree-celsius-6344074

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Norway – Popular hiking trail closed – 1½ meters more snow than normal

Do you have plans to go on one of Norway’s most popular hikes over Besseggen? You’ll have to wait. Boats cannot leave because of ice, and in the mountains there is still too much snow. “I’ve never experienced anything like that,” says Harald Øvstedal. “It’s a meter or one and a half more than is usual. “We lose financially that we do not get started on Saturday, but we just have to hope people come back later in the summer,” says Øvstedal. Last year Besseggen was named one of the 20 most exciting hikes by National Geographic magazine.

http://www.nrk.no/ho/ma-utsette-besseggen-tur-1.12394052

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June 23, 2015, 03:52:51 AM
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Don't you get it? 

YES, Colder Winters.  DUH, that's what people mean when they say more extreme temperature swings.

ALSO, Hotter Summers.  Same thing.  More extreme temperature swings.

People only called it "warming" because while this is all happening the AVERAGE temperature is going up.
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June 23, 2015, 04:22:51 AM
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I totally believe climate change is real and is, in part, man driven but I do not agree with censoring those who do not believe as I do.

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June 23, 2015, 04:23:11 AM
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Don't you get it? 

YES, Colder Winters.  DUH, that's what people mean when they say more extreme temperature swings.

ALSO, Hotter Summers.  Same thing.  More extreme temperature swings.

People only called it "warming" because while this is all happening the AVERAGE temperature is going up.


Going up on the computer model algorithm or on the actual satellite data from NASA?


New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism. DUH



NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth’s atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.


“The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show,” Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. “There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is “not much”). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/


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June 23, 2015, 04:27:11 AM
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I totally believe climate change is real and is, in part, man driven but I do not agree with censoring those who do not believe as I do.


If you believe it is in part man driven then you are a denier... Weird hey!

You are always welcome here.


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The Great Global Warming Swindle [documentary]
https://youtu.be/D-m09lKtYT4

A good, scientifically-sound film to watch, when forming one's opinion on the matter.

Watching this video i came to a part that talks about volcanoes producing more co2 than humans https://youtu.be/D-m09lKtYT4?t=24m49s. This is what a agw believer website says about it https://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

Any thoughts from the people here who spend a lot more time studying this stuff than i do? If it is a myth than any idea where it comes from? What might have been the source used to produce this documentary?

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Pope's key science advisor is atheist who believes in 'Gaia, not God'...



The scientist who influenced Laudato Si, and who serves at the Vatican's science office, seems to believe in Gaia, but not in God.



St. Francis of Assisi’s hymn Laudato Si’ spoke of “Brothers” Sun and Fire and “Sisters” Moon and Water, using these colorful phrases figuratively, as a way of praising God’s creation. These sentimental words so touched Pope Francis that he named his encyclical after this canticle (repeated in paragraph 87 of the Holy Father’s letter).

Neither Pope Francis nor St. Francis took the words literally, of course. Neither believed that fire was alive and could be talked to or reasoned with or, worse, worshiped. Strange, then, that a self-professed atheist and scientific advisor to the Vatican named Hans Schellnhuber appears to believe in a Mother Earth.

Gaia

The Gaia Principle, first advanced by chemist James Lovelock (who has lately had second thoughts) and microbiologist Lynn Margulis in the 1970s, says that all life interacts with the Earth, and the Earth with all life, to form a giant self-regulating, living system.

This goes far beyond the fact that the Earth’s climate system has feedbacks, which are at the very center of the debate over climate change. In the Gaia Principle, Mother Earth is alive, and even, some think, aware in some ill-defined, mystical way. The Earth knows man and his activities and, frankly, isn’t too happy with him.

This is what we might call “scientific pantheism,” a kind that appeals to atheistic scientists. It is an updated version of the pagan belief that the universe itself is God, that the Earth is at least semi-divine — a real Brother Sun and Sister Water! Mother Earth is immanent in creation and not transcendent, like the Christian God.

What’s this have to do with Schellnhuber? In the 1999 Nature paper “‘Earth system’ analysis and the second Copernican revolution,” he said:

Ecosphere science is therefore coming of age, lending respectability to its romantic companion, Gaia theory, as pioneered by Lovelock and Margulis. This hotly debated ‘geophysiological’ approach to Earth-system analysis argues that the biosphere contributes in an almost cognizant way to self-regulating feedback mechanisms that have kept the Earth’s surface environment stable and habitable for life.

Geo-physiological, in case you missed it. Cognizant, in black and white. So dedicated is Schellnhuber to this belief that he says “the Gaia approach may even include the influence of biospheric activities on the Earth’s plate-tectonic processes.”  Not the other way around, mind you, where continental drift and earthquakes effects life, but where life effects earthquakes.

He elaborates:

Although effects such as the glaciations may still be interpreted as over-reactions to small disturbances — a kind of cathartic geophysiological fever — the main events, resulting in accelerated maturation by shock treatment, indicate that Gaia faces a powerful antagonist. Rampino has proposed personifying this opposition as Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction.

Mother Earth gets the flu and instead of white blood cells and a rise in temperature to fend off the infection, it sends white ice and a decrease in temperatures. How? Geophysiologically! I remind the reader that our author, writing in one of the world’s most prominent science journals, does not use these propositions metaphorically. He proposes them as actual mechanisms.

Schellnhuber echoes the theme of a cognizant, i.e. self-aware, planet in another (co-authored) 2004 paper in Nature 2004, “Climbing the co-evolution ladder,” suggesting again that mankind is an infection, saying that mankind “perturbs … the global ‘metabolism'” of the planet.

Tipping Points

Schellnhuber, a one-time quantum physicist who turned his attention to Mother Earth late in his career, was also co-author of a 2009 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper “Imprecise probability assessment of tipping points in the climate system,” which asked select scientists their gut assessment about the arrival of various “tipping points.” Tipping points are a theme of Schellnhuber’s research (see inter alia this and this).

Tipping points are supposed moments when some doom which might have been avoided if some action had been taken, is no longer possible to avoid and will arrive no matter what. Tipping points have come and gone in climate forecasts for decades now. The promised dooms never arrive but the false prophets never quit.  Their intent is less to forecast than to induce something short of panic in order to plead for political intervention. When the old tipping point is past, theorists just change the date, issue new warnings and hope no one will notice.

One of the tipping points Schellnhuber asked about was the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, depending on what the temperature did. All of the selected experts (who answered the questions in 2004 and 2005) gave moderate (~15-25%) to quite high probabilities (50-80%) for this event to have occurred by 2015. The ice did not melt.

Schellnhuber presented more tipping points to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2014 in the co-authored paper, “Climate-System Tipping Points and Extreme Weather Events.” In that paper, Schellnhuber has a “scientific” graph with Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel Adam “flicking” a planet earth over a methane tipping point, such that the earth would roll down into a fiery pit labeled the “Warming Abyss.” Hell on earth.

The Problem of People

Schellnhuber is most famous for predicting that the “carrying capacity” of the earth is “below” 1 billion people. When confronted with this, he called those who quoted him “liars.” But he then repeated the same claim, saying, “All I said was that if we had unlimited global warming of eight degrees warming, maybe the carrying capacity of the earth would go down to just 1 billion, and then the discussion would be settled.”  And he has often said that this temperature tipping point would be reached — unless “actions” were taken.

The man is suspicious of people. In that same interview he said, “If you want to reduce human population, there are wonderful means: Improve the education of girls and young women.” Since young women already know where babies come from, and since this knowledge tends neither to increase nor decrease population, the “education” he has in mind must be facts about how to avoid the consequences of sex. Austin Ruse discovered a 2009 talk in which Schellnhuber said the earth “will explode” due to resource depletion once the population reaches 9 billion, a number that the UN projects in 2050. Presumably he wants earth to avoid that fate, so he must support the population control that Pope Francis so clearly repudiated in his encyclical.

Bad Religion

Confirmation bias happens when a scientist manipulates an experiment so that he gets the outcome he hoped he would get. When Schellnhuber invites only believers in tipping-points-of-doom to characterize their guesses of this doom, his view that the doom is real will be confirmed. And when he publishes a paper that says, “Scientists say world is doomed” the public and politicians believe it.  Scientists skeptical of the doom are dismissed because they are skeptics. This isn’t good science. It’s really bad religion, and a pagan one at that.

Global warming research is characterized by an insider’s club. If you believe, you’re in. If you doubt, you’re out. This is also so at the Pontifical Academies of Science where Schellnhuber was appointed by Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo. The bishop locked scientists with contrary views out of the process, scientists he has repeatedly dismissed as “funded by the oil industry.”  Given this, how likely is it that the Holy Father was fully aware of the views of the chief scientist who advised him?



https://stream.org/scientific-pantheist-who-advises-pope-francis/


http://www.pas.va/content/dam/accademia/pdf/es41/es41-schellnhuber.pdf



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Pope's key science advisor is atheist who believes in 'Gaia, not God'...



The scientist who influenced Laudato Si, and who serves at the Vatican's science office, seems to believe in Gaia, but not in God.



St. Francis of Assisi’s hymn Laudato Si’ spoke of “Brothers” Sun and Fire and “Sisters” Moon and Water, using these colorful phrases figuratively, as a way of praising God’s creation. These sentimental words so touched Pope Francis that he named his encyclical after this canticle (repeated in paragraph 87 of the Holy Father’s letter).

Neither Pope Francis nor St. Francis took the words literally, of course. Neither believed that fire was alive and could be talked to or reasoned with or, worse, worshiped. Strange, then, that a self-professed atheist and scientific advisor to the Vatican named Hans Schellnhuber appears to believe in a Mother Earth.

Gaia

The Gaia Principle, first advanced by chemist James Lovelock (who has lately had second thoughts) and microbiologist Lynn Margulis in the 1970s, says that all life interacts with the Earth, and the Earth with all life, to form a giant self-regulating, living system.

This goes far beyond the fact that the Earth’s climate system has feedbacks, which are at the very center of the debate over climate change. In the Gaia Principle, Mother Earth is alive, and even, some think, aware in some ill-defined, mystical way. The Earth knows man and his activities and, frankly, isn’t too happy with him.

This is what we might call “scientific pantheism,” a kind that appeals to atheistic scientists. It is an updated version of the pagan belief that the universe itself is God, that the Earth is at least semi-divine — a real Brother Sun and Sister Water! Mother Earth is immanent in creation and not transcendent, like the Christian God.

What’s this have to do with Schellnhuber? In the 1999 Nature paper “‘Earth system’ analysis and the second Copernican revolution,” he said:

Ecosphere science is therefore coming of age, lending respectability to its romantic companion, Gaia theory, as pioneered by Lovelock and Margulis. This hotly debated ‘geophysiological’ approach to Earth-system analysis argues that the biosphere contributes in an almost cognizant way to self-regulating feedback mechanisms that have kept the Earth’s surface environment stable and habitable for life.

Geo-physiological, in case you missed it. Cognizant, in black and white. So dedicated is Schellnhuber to this belief that he says “the Gaia approach may even include the influence of biospheric activities on the Earth’s plate-tectonic processes.”  Not the other way around, mind you, where continental drift and earthquakes effects life, but where life effects earthquakes.

He elaborates:

Although effects such as the glaciations may still be interpreted as over-reactions to small disturbances — a kind of cathartic geophysiological fever — the main events, resulting in accelerated maturation by shock treatment, indicate that Gaia faces a powerful antagonist. Rampino has proposed personifying this opposition as Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction.

Mother Earth gets the flu and instead of white blood cells and a rise in temperature to fend off the infection, it sends white ice and a decrease in temperatures. How? Geophysiologically! I remind the reader that our author, writing in one of the world’s most prominent science journals, does not use these propositions metaphorically. He proposes them as actual mechanisms.

Schellnhuber echoes the theme of a cognizant, i.e. self-aware, planet in another (co-authored) 2004 paper in Nature 2004, “Climbing the co-evolution ladder,” suggesting again that mankind is an infection, saying that mankind “perturbs … the global ‘metabolism'” of the planet.

Tipping Points

Schellnhuber, a one-time quantum physicist who turned his attention to Mother Earth late in his career, was also co-author of a 2009 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper “Imprecise probability assessment of tipping points in the climate system,” which asked select scientists their gut assessment about the arrival of various “tipping points.” Tipping points are a theme of Schellnhuber’s research (see inter alia this and this).

Tipping points are supposed moments when some doom which might have been avoided if some action had been taken, is no longer possible to avoid and will arrive no matter what. Tipping points have come and gone in climate forecasts for decades now. The promised dooms never arrive but the false prophets never quit.  Their intent is less to forecast than to induce something short of panic in order to plead for political intervention. When the old tipping point is past, theorists just change the date, issue new warnings and hope no one will notice.

One of the tipping points Schellnhuber asked about was the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, depending on what the temperature did. All of the selected experts (who answered the questions in 2004 and 2005) gave moderate (~15-25%) to quite high probabilities (50-80%) for this event to have occurred by 2015. The ice did not melt.

Schellnhuber presented more tipping points to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2014 in the co-authored paper, “Climate-System Tipping Points and Extreme Weather Events.” In that paper, Schellnhuber has a “scientific” graph with Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel Adam “flicking” a planet earth over a methane tipping point, such that the earth would roll down into a fiery pit labeled the “Warming Abyss.” Hell on earth.

The Problem of People

Schellnhuber is most famous for predicting that the “carrying capacity” of the earth is “below” 1 billion people. When confronted with this, he called those who quoted him “liars.” But he then repeated the same claim, saying, “All I said was that if we had unlimited global warming of eight degrees warming, maybe the carrying capacity of the earth would go down to just 1 billion, and then the discussion would be settled.”  And he has often said that this temperature tipping point would be reached — unless “actions” were taken.

The man is suspicious of people. In that same interview he said, “If you want to reduce human population, there are wonderful means: Improve the education of girls and young women.” Since young women already know where babies come from, and since this knowledge tends neither to increase nor decrease population, the “education” he has in mind must be facts about how to avoid the consequences of sex. Austin Ruse discovered a 2009 talk in which Schellnhuber said the earth “will explode” due to resource depletion once the population reaches 9 billion, a number that the UN projects in 2050. Presumably he wants earth to avoid that fate, so he must support the population control that Pope Francis so clearly repudiated in his encyclical.

Bad Religion

Confirmation bias happens when a scientist manipulates an experiment so that he gets the outcome he hoped he would get. When Schellnhuber invites only believers in tipping-points-of-doom to characterize their guesses of this doom, his view that the doom is real will be confirmed. And when he publishes a paper that says, “Scientists say world is doomed” the public and politicians believe it.  Scientists skeptical of the doom are dismissed because they are skeptics. This isn’t good science. It’s really bad religion, and a pagan one at that.

Global warming research is characterized by an insider’s club. If you believe, you’re in. If you doubt, you’re out. This is also so at the Pontifical Academies of Science where Schellnhuber was appointed by Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo. The bishop locked scientists with contrary views out of the process, scientists he has repeatedly dismissed as “funded by the oil industry.”  Given this, how likely is it that the Holy Father was fully aware of the views of the chief scientist who advised him?



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