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[Ingatqhvq]

Why won't Climate Scientists produce the empirical data that will prove their theory that CO2 is the primary culprit behind Climate Change and shut their critics up once and for all? Answer: The reason they refuse to show any data is because the data does not exist. In fact all the empirical data refutes their theory. So instead of showing the data that would prove their theory they manipulate the data; name call by calling anyone who disagrees with them "deniers" and try and shut people up.

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[Spendulus]

Why won't Climate Scientists produce the empirical data that will prove their theory that CO2 is the primary culprit behind Climate Change and shut their critics up once and for all? Answer: The reason they refuse to show any data is because the data does not exist. In fact all the empirical data refutes their theory. So instead of showing the data that would prove their theory they manipulate the data; name call by calling anyone who disagrees with them "deniers" and try and shut people up.

Because it's a very difficult and subtle problem.  The data is well understood that CO2 absorbs solar energy in certain wavelengths and re emits in infra red wavelengths. We know exactly what those wavelengths are.

But this is difficult to apply to an entire planet.  How much energy is just lost to space?  What is the influence of water vapor?   What are the long term temperature trends?

[Wilikon]

Where will they cool off now? Californians demolish their back yard swimming pools thanks to record drought as they face mandatory reduction in water use

 
California Governor Jerry Brown ordered a 25% cutback in water use by cities and towns in the state on Wednesday

Photos taken on Wednesday show the ongoing drought is already taking its toll on once technicolor landscapes

Signs showing river closings and offering drought friendly services signal that change is already underway 
 
The crackdown comes as California and its nearly 40 million residents move toward a fourth summer of drought

State reservoirs have a year's worth of water and with record low snowfall there won't be much to replenish them



Private swimming pools could become a thing of the past in California with some residents opting to have them removed as they face a mandatory 25 per cent reduction in water use imposed in the face of the state's fourth year of severe drought.

Photographs emerged showing workmen demolishing swimming pools with jackhammers as the drought continues.

California on Wednesday moved to tighten already stringent water regulations as part of the state's effort to respond to the crisis and signs have appeared offering drought friendly services and announcing closures throughout the dehydrated city.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031492/River-closings-drought-friendly-car-washes-barren-ski-resorts-signs-drought-stricken-California-reveal-change-underway.html


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I wonder if all that massive amount of debris (coming from hundreds of destroyed swimming pools of the homes of conscious water conservationists) will have any negative impact on the environment... Will California dump all that crap into another state with plenty of water?

All that machinery, demolition dust, diesel trucks, etc... To save the planet.


 

[tvbcof]

Where will they cool off now? Californians demolish their back yard swimming pools thanks to record drought as they face mandatory reduction in water use
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031492/River-closings-drought-friendly-car-washes-barren-ski-resorts-signs-drought-stricken-California-reveal-change-underway.html


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I wonder if all that massive amount of debris (coming from hundreds of destroyed swimming pools of the homes of conscious water conservationists) will have any negative impact on the environment... Will California dump all that crap into another state with plenty of water?

All that machinery, demolition dust, diesel trucks, etc... To save the planet.

Last I heard it still rains from time to time in the great state of California.  I seem to recall it happening just last winter with the 'pineapple express'.

So, I've got an idea.  Let's destroy the very expensive water holding device we already have in our back yard honey!  Then we can pipe the rainwater from our roof into the sewer system which  is already maxed out and requires a billion dollar retrofit in order to get to the new and completely absurd EPA standards.  Yes, a billion may sound like a lot, but if we finance it we'll only have to pay an extra billion or so to the financial sector in interest.

Wake up America; we're being scammed!  Or you can buy these magic bean seeds I have right here.

[Wilikon]

Where will they cool off now? Californians demolish their back yard swimming pools thanks to record drought as they face mandatory reduction in water use
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031492/River-closings-drought-friendly-car-washes-barren-ski-resorts-signs-drought-stricken-California-reveal-change-underway.html


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I wonder if all that massive amount of debris (coming from hundreds of destroyed swimming pools of the homes of conscious water conservationists) will have any negative impact on the environment... Will California dump all that crap into another state with plenty of water?

All that machinery, demolition dust, diesel trucks, etc... To save the planet.

Last I heard it still rains from time to time in the great state of California.  I seem to recall it happening just last winter with the 'pineapple express'.

So, I've got an idea.  Let's destroy the very expensive water holding device we already have in our back yard honey!  Then we can pipe the rainwater from our roof into the sewer system which  is already maxed out and requires a billion dollar retrofit in order to get to the new and completely absurd EPA standards.  Yes, a billion may sound like a lot, but if we finance it we'll only have to pay an extra billion or so to the financial sector in interest.

Wake up America; we're being scammed!  Or you can buy these magic bean seeds I have right here.

[galdur]

Bright green front lawns, countless swimming pools, and a multitude of sprawling golf courses have long been very prominent features of the California Desert. I guess it had to bite their butt sooner or later.

[Spendulus]

Bright green front lawns, countless swimming pools, and a multitude of sprawling golf courses have long been very prominent features of the California Desert. I guess it had to bite their butt sooner or later.

 
Why go halfway?  Demolish the showers and baths in those homes also.

[tvbcof]

Bright green front lawns, countless swimming pools, and a multitude of sprawling golf courses have long been very prominent features of the California Desert. I guess it had to bite their butt sooner or later.

 
Why go halfway?  Demolish the showers and baths in those homes also.

You are obviously being paid off by big deodorant.

[Spendulus]

http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/disappearing_dead_sea_sinkholes_photos/45183381

My question is why would ecologists care about keeping the Dead Sea in pristine Deadness?  Why give it water so it can stay the Dead Sea, water that could have gone to people?  I mean, it's dead, right?


Sinkholes as Deep as Eight-Story Buildings Form Along Shoreline of the Disappearing Dead Sea

Gidon Bromberg, the Israeli director at EcoPeace Middle East, told ABC news that "these sinkholes are the direct result of inappropriate mismanagement of water resources in the region."

The Dead Sea is robbed of 2 billion gallons of water each year because of water diverted from the lake's main water source - the Jordan River - since the 1960s, according to the American Associate, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. Mining of minerals from the Dead Sea has also contributed to the disappearance of the lake's dense and salty water.

The 2 billion gallons of water translates to a decline in water levels of a meter every year (on average) or a total of 30 meters since 1970, according to research conducted by Duke University.

"With the Dead Sea level dropping so rapidly [a meter a year, on average], these sinkholes are inevitable," said Mark Wilson, a geology professor at the College of Wooster.

While researchers have agreed on different hypothesis, not many disagree that the declining water levels are behind the phenomenon.

David Ozsvath, a professor of Geology at the University of Wisconsin, said beneath the clay-like surface layer are cavernous spaces that are filled with water. However, as these subterranean spaces dry up with the receding water levels, the surface layer can collapse into the emptied space creating chasms along the banks.

Ozsvath said some sinkholes form over time, while other appear overnight. An earthquake or even heavy rain can cause a sinkhole to collapse into the drained voids in the subsurface.

He added that the number of developing sinkholes could be reduced by diverting less water from the Jordan River and allowing water levels in the Dead Sea to rise.

[hofor]

Why won't Climate Scientists produce the empirical data that will prove their theory that CO2 is the primary culprit behind Climate Change and shut their critics up once and for all? Answer: The reason they refuse to show any data is because the data does not exist. In fact all the empirical data refutes their theory. So instead of showing the data that would prove their theory they manipulate the data; name call by calling anyone who disagrees with them "deniers" and try and shut people up.

Scientists have produced the empirical data that confirms that anthropogenic CO2 is causing the warming. It's there in countless studies by countless scientists. It's all summed up by the IPCC.

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

[Anon136]

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

Surely you see the problem with this question?

[hofor]

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

Surely you see the problem with this question?

Not really. Care to explain?

You have respected scientific journals like "Nature" and "Science" that have published scientific breakthroughs in many fields of science for decades. Are they suddenly wrong on climate change, after even the computer you are using right now is a result of research being published in those and other journals? Is all science just a scam (despite all the things it has done for you)?

[Wilikon]

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

Surely you see the problem with this question?

Not really. Care to explain?

You have respected scientific journals like "Nature" and "Science" that have published scientific breakthroughs in many fields of science for decades. Are they suddenly wrong on climate change, after even the computer you are using right now is a result of research being published in those and other journals? Is all science just a scam (despite all the things it has done for you)?

But "science" is not a deity. It becomes one when you stop thinking...


Science is Exxon and Shell and BP and nuclear energy and McLaren P1 and bombardier private jet and facebook and instagram and I love science for that too

 

Unless... Those are the "bad evil science gods"?

[galdur]

Californians are brilliant growers, no doubt about that. They managed to get the planet´s highest crop yield from rice, an aquatic plant, in a friggin desert. Now, that is really something. But was it realistic in the long run? Did all those swimming pools and golf courses have any future? Now a lot of that will turn brown along with front lawns.

I guess reality bites eventually. Sure hope Los Angeles will have water, Could be a hot summer.

[Spendulus]

Why won't Climate Scientists produce the empirical data that will prove their theory that CO2 is the primary culprit behind Climate Change and shut their critics up once and for all? Answer: The reason they refuse to show any data is because the data does not exist. In fact all the empirical data refutes their theory. So instead of showing the data that would prove their theory they manipulate the data; name call by calling anyone who disagrees with them "deniers" and try and shut people up.

Scientists have produced the empirical data that confirms that anthropogenic CO2 is causing the warming. It's there in countless studies by countless scientists. It's all summed up by the IPCC.

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

Yes.  The Thermometers That Say No Warming in the last 20 years.   You know, TTTSNW.  They are very, very reputable.

[Anon136]

They managed to get the planet´s highest crop yield from rice, an aquatic plant, in a friggin desert.

Only as a result of exactly the same sorts of policies that are causing them to be in exactly the mess that they are in . If the government wasnt vote buying from farmers by providing water at FAR below what would have been the market clearing price were there a market in water, they never would have produced crops like that, and (when considered as a part of a larger picture of government mismanagement) Californians wouldn't be in the drought related mess that they are in.

*edit* oh and then the government creates protectionist policies that disencitivize consumers from importing rice where it actually grows naturally and instead buying rice that was produced in a desert where it made NO economic sense for it to be produced.

*edit2* Idk if you guys have ever seen the movie brazil, but you know how in every scene there are these giant intrusive tubes all over the place that are getting in everyones way but no one seems to notice them. Buying rice from california instead of some asian flood plane somewhere is like this. When you study this stuff you start to see them EVERYWHERE and its just baffling how no one seems to notice them. It really is like standing back and watching people bumping into these giant tubes all day long somehow without noticing that they are there.

This isnt an attack on you, its just your comment inspired me to rant.

[Wilikon]

They managed to get the planet´s highest crop yield from rice, an aquatic plant, in a friggin desert.

Only as a result of exactly the same sorts of policies that are causing them to be in exactly the mess that they are in . If the government wasnt vote buying from farmers by providing water at FAR below what would have been the market clearing price were there a market in water, they never would have produced crops like that, and (when considered as a part of a larger picture of government mismanagement) Californians wouldn't be in the drought related mess that they are in.

*edit* oh and then the government creates protectionist policies that disencitivize consumers from importing rice where it actually grows naturally and instead buying rice that was produced in a desert where it made NO economic sense for it to be produced.

*edit2* Idk if you guys have ever seen the movie brazil, but you know how in every scene there are these giant intrusive tubes all over the place that are getting in everyones way but no one seems to notice them. Buying rice from california instead of some asian flood plane somewhere is like this. When you study this stuff you start to see them EVERYWHERE and its just baffling how no one seems to notice them. It really is like standing back and watching people bumping into these giant tubes all day long somehow without noticing that they are there.

This isnt an attack on you, its just your comment inspired me to rant.

Top 10 favorite movie

[galdur]

They managed to get the planet´s highest crop yield from rice, an aquatic plant, in a friggin desert.

Only as a result of exactly the same sorts of policies that are causing them to be in exactly the mess that they are in . If the government wasnt vote buying from farmers by providing water at FAR below what would have been the market clearing price were there a market in water, they never would have produced crops like that, and (when considered as a part of a larger picture of government mismanagement) Californians wouldn't be in the drought related mess that they are in.

*edit* oh and then the government creates protectionist policies that disencitivize consumers from importing rice where it actually grows naturally and instead buying rice that was produced in a desert where it made NO economic sense for it to be produced.

*edit2* Idk if you guys have ever seen the movie brazil, but you know how in every scene there are these giant intrusive tubes all over the place that are getting in everyones way but no one seems to notice them. Buying rice from california instead of some asian flood plane somewhere is like this. When you study this stuff you start to see them EVERYWHERE and its just baffling how no one seems to notice them. It really is like standing back and watching people bumping into these giant tubes all day long somehow without noticing that they are there.

This isnt an attack on you, its just your comment inspired me to rant.

Well, I´m not that concerned about being attacked, It was just a thought connected to that drought crisis. And in these circles having a good word for those dam California commies is unlikely to get me many upvotes anyway.

Good luck, g

[hofor]

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

Surely you see the problem with this question?

Not really. Care to explain?

You have respected scientific journals like "Nature" and "Science" that have published scientific breakthroughs in many fields of science for decades. Are they suddenly wrong on climate change, after even the computer you are using right now is a result of research being published in those and other journals? Is all science just a scam (despite all the things it has done for you)?

But "science" is not a deity. It becomes one when you stop thinking...

I never claimed that science is a deity, but science does have respected organizations that are well known for their contributions to the progress of our species. It is when you automatically discount and reject the scientific findings of respected scientific bodies that it becomes almost like religion.

And the fact is that science is hard to understand. You have the experts who have spent a lifetime trying to understand their field, and then you have a random person who think he knows it all and claims that the science is wrong because of some obviously misleading argument he read somewhere.

Do you visit the doctor or the carpenter if you get sick? I'm guessing the doctor. Similarly, you don't ask, say, an engineer, to tell you about the climate. You ask the people who actually know what they're talking about, and who have put in countless hours of research into their area of expertise.

Science never becomes a deity. It is the people who reject the science because it doesn't seem to support their ideology who have stopped thinking.

[hofor]

Why won't Climate Scientists produce the empirical data that will prove their theory that CO2 is the primary culprit behind Climate Change and shut their critics up once and for all? Answer: The reason they refuse to show any data is because the data does not exist. In fact all the empirical data refutes their theory. So instead of showing the data that would prove their theory they manipulate the data; name call by calling anyone who disagrees with them "deniers" and try and shut people up.

Scientists have produced the empirical data that confirms that anthropogenic CO2 is causing the warming. It's there in countless studies by countless scientists. It's all summed up by the IPCC.

Can you name a single respected scientific organization that rejects anthropogenic global warming or the reports from the IPCC?

Yes.  The Thermometers That Say No Warming in the last 20 years.   You know, TTTSNW.  They are very, very reputable.

This is not true. The measurements show that more of the excess energy is going into the oceans. But the atmosphere is still warming as well, although it's warming at a slower rate at the moment (again, due to where the energy is going).

Remember that climate is about the trend over time. Cherry-picking shorter periods of time is not an honest way to go about things. Even if the temperature does have periods of variation (the measured temperature has gone down for shorter periods in the past), the overall trend is still up. It's disingenuous to pretend that the science says that the surface temperature will only ever increase. The science actually does point to periods of fluctuations up and down.

You need to look at the trend.