Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers.

[Wilikon]

Re: the articles/people claiming NASA fiddled climate change data, can someone have a look at this Guardian article

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/feb/11/fiddling-with-global-warming-conspiracies-while-rome-burns

and explain exactly what the problem is with this explanation? Because it seems pretty plausible to me (and yes, I know the Guardian is very pro climate change, please excuse the article's opinionated writing style and concentrate on the facts).

This thread is amazing as an exercise into how retarded the media coverage of climate change is (on both sides). Unfortunately it falls short at actually helping people like me who are just looking for the truth. I'm currently leaning towards "It's happening, and it's due to humans", but I've switched sides about 4 times in the last few years.

This thread is about not to give any answers but to help you formulate better questions in your own mind. I never doubted AGW as I never took the time digging into it more.

Until now...

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[sickhouse]

Remember the blue UFO over norway a couple of years ago?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsiSirIq4SA

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects95.htm

The H.A.A.R.P project is believed to be connected to the chemtrail theory.
Here are some pictures I've taken myself;


Collection, the pictures are taken on 2 different days;
https://i.imgur.com/HuuqLyZ.jpg

Also got some videos of the chemtrails but I am sure most of you already seen this, I can upload them if anyone is interested.

[notbatman]

More info: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/climate-engineering-pilot-disclosure/

[sickhouse]

More info: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/climate-engineering-pilot-disclosure/

Sad how few people that notice that this is weird... The media generation are brainwashed enough and think nothing of it. People need to wake up but we have turned into robots more or less..

[Anon136]

I'm currently leaning towards "It's happening, and it's due to humans", but I've switched sides about 4 times in the last few years.

The big problem with the agw believer position: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374873.msg10495200#msg10495200 (its just a link to a few pages back in this thread)

[SgtMoth]

More info: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/climate-engineering-pilot-disclosure/

Sad how few people that notice that this is weird... The media generation are brainwashed enough and think nothing of it. People need to wake up but we have turned into robots more or less..

Move along, Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here, Move along!!!!

[SgtMoth]

It funny you would post this because for the last few days, they been really spraying up here lately.  I want to set up my camera and video this shit.  After about 30mins, this shit expands in to wide clouds.

[Wilikon]

More info: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/climate-engineering-pilot-disclosure/

Sad how few people that notice that this is weird... The media generation are brainwashed enough and think nothing of it. People need to wake up but we have turned into robots more or less..

Move along, Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here, Move along!!!!

I remember the first time I heard of chemtrails by a friend, 15+ years ago. I was laughing so hard. Then one day I realized planes departing from LaGuardia could not make those "things" up in the sky. So many of them zigzagging all over the place. There were all in the wrong directions. One day I observed a plane with the contrail behind it, with chemtrails already up. Contrails do not last much. Chemtrails lasted longer and kept  their shape. They dissolved all along, unlike a contrail. And the size difference was huge. The plane was long gone, so was its contrail. The chemtrails were still up.

I am still not sold into 100% believing what it is, but no way commercial planes are doing this. Natural clouds?


 

[Anon136]

More info: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/climate-engineering-pilot-disclosure/

Sad how few people that notice that this is weird... The media generation are brainwashed enough and think nothing of it. People need to wake up but we have turned into robots more or less..

Move along, Nothing to see here, Nothing to see here, Move along!!!!

I remember the first time I heard of chemtrails by a friend, 15+ years ago. I was laughing so hard. Then one day I realized planes departing from LaGuardia could not make those "things" up in the sky. So many of them zigzagging all over the place. There were all in the wrong directions. One day I observed a plane with the contrail behind it, with chemtrails already up. Contrails do not last much. Chemtrails lasted longer and kept  their shape. They dissolved all along, unlike a contrail. And the size difference was huge. The plane was long gone, so was its contrail. The chemtrails were still up.

I am still not sold into 100% believing what it is, but no way commercial planes are doing this. Natural clouds?


 

If you want a "rational" explanation that doesnt involve the government doing experiments or trying to cull the population or anything too extreme like this. I have heard arguments that weather derivatives markets are quite well capitalized due to farmers need to buy insurance and the insurance companies need to hedge and that as a result of this anyone who could change the weather in some way could make a lot of money in these markets.

[sickhouse]

Here are some of the videos I've captured. Anyone denying that this is normal is an idiot or in denial.

https://vimeo.com/user37829531/videos
https://vimeo.com/120756144 THIS ONE IS FLYING STRAIGHT UP LIKE A ROCKET!

[Wilikon]

Video: Inhofe throws snowball in Senate to demonstrate impact of climate change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8

Inhofe listed many news stories and studies over recent decades that he said used alarmism to scare the American people about extreme weather.

“This is something that has been happening over a long period of time,” he said. “And every time it does, everyone tries to say that the world’s coming to an end and somehow man is important and so powerful that he can change that.”

Inhofe also chided Obama for his recent remarks that climate change is a greater threat to most Americans than terrorism.

He listed various terrorist attacks of recent decades to demonstrate the atrocity of the United States’ enemies, both terrorists and nations like Russia and North Korea.

“It’s just another illustration that the president and his administration are detached from the realities that we are facing today and into the future,” he said. “His repeated failure to understand the real threat to our national security and his inability to establish a coherent national security strategy has put this nation at a level of risk that has been unknown for decades.”

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/232310-wh-more-americans-directly-affected-by-climate-change-than

[sickhouse]

Here are some of the videos I've captured. Anyone denying that this is normal is an idiot or in denial.

https://vimeo.com/user37829531/videos
https://vimeo.com/120756144 THIS ONE IS FLYING STRAIGHT UP LIKE A ROCKET!

I urge you to share the bolded video, that's straight up proof that something fishy is going on. Not even our parents can deny a video like that..

[hdbuck]

i loled:



https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/571065287967182850


edit: kudos to Inhofe!! thats some serious.. balls

[calfries]

What Reddit is doing is just wrong! This amounts to censorship and Reddit should not be a part of a political agenda!
I will now think twice before using Reddit.

[Wilikon]

Obama EPA Chief Can’t Say Whether Climate Models Were False Or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24DP1uG-MEM

During an Environment and Public Works Committee hearing, head of the Environmental Protection Agency Gina McCarthy defended the EPA’s request for an $8.6 billion discretionary budget (a 6 percent increase) for fiscal year 2016, arguing that climate change is a “real” threat and “a science fact,” “not a religion” or “belief system.”

“Climate change is real. It is happening. It is a threat,” McCarthy said. “Climate change is not a religion. It is not a belief system. It’s a science fact.”
When questioned by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) regarding the EPA’s predictions on global warming, however, McCarthy was unable to use the “facts” to her advantage.

The heated exchange went as follows:

SESSIONS: “When we go to our states, the group we have the most complaints about from our constituents—whether it’s highway people, whether it’s farmers, whether it’s energy people—is the Environmental Protection Agency. It’s an [agency of] extraordinary overreach. And you apparently aren’t unaware of the pushback that’s occurring in the real world…

“I’m not inclined to increase your funding 6 percent above. So now you say that we’ve got a crisis and there are dangers out there. Let me ask you this: There was an article from Mr. [Bjorn] Lomborg… from the Copenhagen Institute. He says, along with Dr. Pielke from Colorado, that ‘we’ve had fewer droughts in recent years.’ Do you dispute that?”

MCCARTHY: “I don’t know in what context he’s making statements like that but I certainly can tell you about the droughts that are happening today.” …


http://www.mrctv.org/blog/epa-chief-calls-climate-change-science-fact-can-t-verify-predictions-accurate#Z3V2xp:n3MO

[kitarohotono]

It's a plot to sell expensive wind turbines and took money from poor oil industry to communities 

[hdbuck]

It's a plot to sell expensive wind turbines and took money from poor oil industry to communities 

Dont forget teh taxes

[tvbcof]

Obama EPA Chief Can’t Say Whether Climate Models Were False Or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24DP1uG-MEM
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http://www.mrctv.org/blog/epa-chief-calls-climate-change-science-fact-can-t-verify-predictions-accurate#Z3V2xp:n3MO

Holy Shit!  Look at those youtube comments.  Of course youtube isn't the most representative sample, and the vid featured blunders by McCarthy and was probably mostly linked from anti-EPA sources (like here) but even so I would say that the 'warmists' are having some real difficulties peddling their scams and power grabs.  The only path forward for them is totalitarianism just as with medicine, education, etc.  Alas, this is the natural progression which follows Socialism.

At this point much of the 'climate science' stuff is 'faith based' more than anything.  When mapped to other similar socio-political phenomenon, we are probably in the mid to late stages of what happened with the Catholic church and the inquisition.  Just as then, science will eventually prevail because it is 'right', but there will be much misery and damage and the nasty taint will linger on for a long time.

[Wilikon]

Obama EPA Chief Can’t Say Whether Climate Models Were False Or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24DP1uG-MEM
...
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/epa-chief-calls-climate-change-science-fact-can-t-verify-predictions-accurate#Z3V2xp:n3MO

Holy Shit!  Look at those youtube comments.  Of course youtube isn't the most representative sample, and the vid featured blunders by McCarthy and was probably mostly linked from anti-EPA sources (like here) but even so I would say that the 'warmists' are having some real difficulties peddling their scams and power grabs.  The only path forward for them is totalitarianism just as with medicine, education, etc.  Alas, this is the natural progression which follows Socialism.

At this point much of the 'climate science' stuff is 'faith based' more than anything.  When mapped to other similar socio-political phenomenon, we are probably in the mid to late stages of what happened with the Catholic church and the inquisition.  Just as then, science will eventually prevail because it is 'right', but there will be much misery and damage and the nasty taint will linger on for a long time.

Should I understand the EPA and the warmists represent the inquisition?

 

[SgtMoth]

Obama EPA Chief Can’t Say Whether Climate Models Were False Or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24DP1uG-MEM

During an Environment and Public Works Committee hearing, head of the Environmental Protection Agency Gina McCarthy defended the EPA’s request for an $8.6 billion discretionary budget (a 6 percent increase) for fiscal year 2016, arguing that climate change is a “real” threat and “a science fact,” “not a religion” or “belief system.”

“Climate change is real. It is happening. It is a threat,” McCarthy said. “Climate change is not a religion. It is not a belief system. It’s a science fact.”
When questioned by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) regarding the EPA’s predictions on global warming, however, McCarthy was unable to use the “facts” to her advantage.

The heated exchange went as follows:

SESSIONS: “When we go to our states, the group we have the most complaints about from our constituents—whether it’s highway people, whether it’s farmers, whether it’s energy people—is the Environmental Protection Agency. It’s an [agency of] extraordinary overreach. And you apparently aren’t unaware of the pushback that’s occurring in the real world…

“I’m not inclined to increase your funding 6 percent above. So now you say that we’ve got a crisis and there are dangers out there. Let me ask you this: There was an article from Mr. [Bjorn] Lomborg… from the Copenhagen Institute. He says, along with Dr. Pielke from Colorado, that ‘we’ve had fewer droughts in recent years.’ Do you dispute that?”

MCCARTHY: “I don’t know in what context he’s making statements like that but I certainly can tell you about the droughts that are happening today.” …


http://www.mrctv.org/blog/epa-chief-calls-climate-change-science-fact-can-t-verify-predictions-accurate#Z3V2xp:n3MO

All I can say is, WOW!