Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers.

[Wilikon]

This guy absolutely shreds the climate environmentalist position https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhc292eIyIM well worth a listen to anyone interested in these topics.

Look, can we stop all this nonsense?

Let's all agree the planet's on fire and it's due to man's evil industry and the Koch brothers and Exxon.

Let's agree that we'll all claim the planet is doomed in 2030, and we'll all slide that date off as this damned non-warming data keeps coming in.  I mean, yeah, it's a bit odd, but why not have a Sliding Timetable of Doom?

Like, Doom is a big thing.  But we know he's coming.  Maybe he just got delayed in traffic?

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[Spendulus]

This guy absolutely shreds the climate environmentalist position https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhc292eIyIM well worth a listen to anyone interested in these topics.

Look, can we stop all this nonsense?

Let's all agree the planet's on fire and it's due to man's evil industry and the Koch brothers and Exxon.

Let's agree that we'll all claim the planet is doomed in 2030, and we'll all slide that date off as this damned non-warming data keeps coming in.  I mean, yeah, it's a bit odd, but why not have a Sliding Timetable of Doom?

Like, Doom is a big thing.  But we know he's coming.  Maybe he just got delayed in traffic?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/03/cooks-97-consensus-disproven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/

WHAT??? 0.3% consensus instead of 97%  consensus!!!

But wait....Science is not about consensus.

0.3% could, possibly, be right.

LOL....

[Wilikon]

This guy absolutely shreds the climate environmentalist position https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhc292eIyIM well worth a listen to anyone interested in these topics.

Look, can we stop all this nonsense?

Let's all agree the planet's on fire and it's due to man's evil industry and the Koch brothers and Exxon.

Let's agree that we'll all claim the planet is doomed in 2030, and we'll all slide that date off as this damned non-warming data keeps coming in.  I mean, yeah, it's a bit odd, but why not have a Sliding Timetable of Doom?

Like, Doom is a big thing.  But we know he's coming.  Maybe he just got delayed in traffic?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/03/cooks-97-consensus-disproven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/

WHAT??? 0.3% consensus instead of 97%  consensus!!!

But wait....Science is not about consensus.

0.3% could, possibly, be right.

LOL....

No wonder Reddit wanted to ban Math too... 

[Wilikon]

Skeptics Would Like Media To Stop Calling Science Deniers 'Skeptics'



http://www.forbes.com/sites/fayeflam/2014/12/15/bill-nye-the-science-guy-says-we-should-call-self-described-climate-skeptics-deniers-but-really-we-should-just-call-them-wrong/


http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/12/16/climate_change_deniers_are_not_skeptics.html

[galdur]

It would be best to take all climate change deniers

out of circulation and send them to re-education camps

or asylums depending on the severity of their dysfunction.

[Wilikon]

It would be best to take all climate change deniers

out of circulation and send them to re-education camps

or asylums depending on the severity of their dysfunction.

So... The people sending all those deniers out of circulation to re-education camps or forced medicated programs in asylums would be staline-like or adolf-like then... Hmm.

[galdur]

It would be best to take all climate change deniers

out of circulation and send them to re-education camps

or asylums depending on the severity of their dysfunction.

So... The people sending all those deniers out of circulation to re-education camps or forced medicated programs in asylums would be staline-like or adolf-like then... Hmm.

Well, sometimes The Truth is so precious that Lies must be banned.

[tvbcof]

It would be best to take all climate change deniers

out of circulation and send them to re-education camps

or asylums depending on the severity of their dysfunction.

Some people don't even really seem to be joking about that.

It is quite observable the degree of propensity toward totalitarianism that occurs on the 'warmist' side of this subject.  It seems much more subdued on the 'denialist' side.

My hypotheses here are several:

 1)  due to the dedicated propaganda over the last two or three decades, there are more people on the 'warmist' side and they have a broader range of skills (or lack of skills.)  More people means more scumbags just from the statistics if nothing else.

 2)  the whole 'catastrophe' scare is much played up for political reasons which have not much to do with physical reality so the participants are drawn from and to certain political ideologies.  Since 'control' is the end-goal it is unsurprising to see totalitarianism rear it's head, particularly since the planet is not cooperating and being sufficiently scary.  This kind of necessitates totalitarian means to meet the largely unrelated objectives of the project.

I would also note that a fair number of 'warmist' do seem to be folks who are a bit weird and also have a life-long fascination with human depopulation, and there are a lot more very bad ways to achieve this than there are good ones.  The CAGW project has given a lot of these types of folks a lot of resources to work with.  It probably is rational to pay some attention to what these folks are up to.

[galdur]

Yep, and of course there´s a business/bubble angle to it

carbon credits and all. And taxes.

[Wilikon]

It would be best to take all climate change deniers

out of circulation and send them to re-education camps

or asylums depending on the severity of their dysfunction.

So... The people sending all those deniers out of circulation to re-education camps or forced medicated programs in asylums would be staline-like or adolf-like then... Hmm.

Well, sometimes The Truth is so precious that Lies must be banned.

[galdur]

Precisely.

[galdur]

"The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor. Some states have striven to overcome domestic failure and internal contradictions by blaming external enemies. The ploy of finding a scapegoat is as old as mankind itself - when things become too difficult at home, divert attention to adventure abroad. Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose. With the disappearance of the traditional enemy, the temptation is to use religious or ethnic minorities as scapegoats, especially those whose differences from the majority are disturbing."[8] "Every state has been so used to classifying its neighbours as friend or foe, that the sudden absence of traditional adversaries has left governments and public opinion with a great void to fill. New enemies have to be identified, new strategies imagined, and new weapons devised."[8] "In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself."[9]

Club of Rome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

[Spendulus]

It would be best to take all climate change deniers

out of circulation and send them to re-education camps

or asylums depending on the severity of their dysfunction.

Indeed there are many that would like this solution.  Particularly since it is well demonstrated that people cannot agree on what a "Denier" is.  This is easily solved by letting one or a committee of Climatobotomized persons decide on a case by case basis if a suspect is guilty of the crime of "Denialism".  

Thus we can rest assured that our planet is in good hands.  Why, just look at the Great Earth (peace be unto her).  We, the vigilant, started to point out Deniers, get them fired, see that their papers were not published some two decades ago.

And look what happens?  For two decades it has not warmed.  

Gaia (peace be unto her) hears our work and responds.  She responds to our good work fighting the Deniers, and gives us a short respite.  Another chance to reform.

And then they come along with Climategate, and expose our plans and discussions.  They laugh at the great battle we fight, between good and bad, between the best and the worst of man.

Immediately the global temperature started rising.  Yes, it was the beginning of summer - but we know the real reason for that temperature rise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thgtezzod7k

And what's this I hear about the TV Show starting next season?

Hide the Decline?

[Wilikon]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120578/global-warming-threshold-what-2-degrees-celsius-36-f-looks


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Too bad he did not win for best actor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8RuQrhVBvo

The author of this article on the other hand....

[hdbuck]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120578/global-warming-threshold-what-2-degrees-celsius-36-f-looks


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Too bad he did not win for best actor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8RuQrhVBvo

The author of this article on the other hand....

i dont get it, isnt our hellish world supposed to be "warmer"? looks more they are gearing up for a north pole excursion.. so what's it gonna be? with or without polar bears?

[Spendulus]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120578/global-warming-threshold-what-2-degrees-celsius-36-f-looks


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Too bad he did not win for best actor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8RuQrhVBvo

The author of this article on the other hand....

i dont get it, isnt our hellish world supposed to be "warmer"? looks more they are gearing up for a north pole excursion.. so what's it gonna be? with or without polar bears?

Look, don't worry.  There won't be any polar bears coming after you.  So it's okay that the Left wants to take your guns away.

[Wilikon]

Video: WH Science advisor says man made global warming saving us from another ice age




“We know beyond any reasonable doubt that humans are the main cause of the warming of the earth’s climate that has been measured over the past few decades. The warming is unequivocal.

“While the climate of the earth has changed over the millennia as a result of natural factors – principally changes in the tilt and orientation of the earth’s axis and rotation, and in the shape of its orbit around the sun – those changes occur far too gradually to have noticeable effects over a period of mere decades. In their current phases, moreover, they would be gradually cooling the earth – taking us to another ice age – if they weren’t being more than offset by human-caused warming.”



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX3Xhw6ufnE


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/23/video-wh-science-advisor-says-man-made-global-warming-saving-us-from-another-ice-age/

[tvbcof]

Forgetting CO2 for a moment (or maybe forever) I've wondered about various fine particulates from industrial processes and their impact on cloud formation.  It would be kind of interesting if it turned out that by 'cleaning up' (or flat out de-industrializing in the case of the U.S.) the energy balance was tipped toward more warming.  Similarly, by avoiding fires and plowing.

I guess if that were the case we'd have no choice but to pay special interests who have aircraft at their disposal to spray areosols into the atmosphere day in and day out.  Using our tax dollars of course.

Actually, I'm kind of half expecting the government to bail out the greens by coming forward and saying "Ya, ok, we've been doing geo-engineering since the turn of the century and that is the only reason why the earth has not reached the 'tipping point' and been plunged into an unlivable inferno."

I might also add that in my area, the 'indigenous people's (RIP (and TM)) used to set fires to manipulate the environment and make it more suitable for game.  They (the West Coast US Native Americans) didn't have a lot of sophisticated computer models to guild their activities.  Nor did they have 747s outfitted as tankers so sometimes the fires got really big and burnt vast tracts of forest.  Likely other less advanced peoples did similar things with fire here and there.  The plot showing an unusually longish 'table-top' encompassing the current warm spike seems to correspond with the existence of the our species.  I wonder if this is entirely coincidental.

[Spendulus]

Video: WH Science advisor says man made global warming saving us from another ice age

“We know beyond any reasonable doubt that humans are the main cause of the warming of the earth’s climate that has been measured over the past few decades. The warming is unequivocal.

“While the climate of the earth has changed over the millennia as a result of natural factors – principally changes in the tilt and orientation of the earth’s axis and rotation, and in the shape of its orbit around the sun – those changes occur far too gradually to have noticeable effects over a period of mere decades. In their current phases, moreover, they would be gradually cooling the earth – taking us to another ice age – if they weren’t being more than offset by human-caused warming.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX3Xhw6ufnE

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/12/23/video-wh-science-advisor-says-man-made-global-warming-saving-us-from-another-ice-age/

These are provable lies.  Another ice age is more or less due - but think say, within the next 10,000 years.  Not this century or last century.  Further, it isn't correct to say that the warming of the last few decades "we know for certain" is man's effect.  If that was so, then the "no warming" of the last two decades is man's effect. 

Be that as it may, the argument that CO2 in the atmosphere may cause some warming, and that may postpone or eliminate an ice age, is intriguing.  The matter deserves study in depth and over a period of decades.

I wonder if this junk science approach by the WH isn't a way to appease the green lobby and rabid drooling creatures of the left, while putting a positive spin on the CO2 outputs that they can't control regardless. 

[Spendulus]

Forgetting CO2 for a moment (or maybe forever) I've wondered about various fine particulates from industrial processes and their impact on cloud formation.  It would be kind of interesting if it turned out that by 'cleaning up' (or flat out de-industrializing in the case of the U.S.) the energy balance was tipped toward more warming.  Similarly, by avoiding fires and plowing.

I guess if that were the case we'd have no choice but to pay special interests who have aircraft at their disposal to spray areosols into the atmosphere day in and day out.  Using our tax dollars of course.

Actually, I'm kind of half expecting the government to bail out the greens by coming forward and saying "Ya, ok, we've been doing geo-engineering since the turn of the century and that is the only reason why the earth has not reached the 'tipping point' and been plunged into an unlivable inferno."

I might also add that in my area, the 'indigenous people's (RIP (and TM)) used to set fires to manipulate the environment and make it more suitable for game.  They (the West Coast US Native Americans) didn't have a lot of sophisticated computer models to guild their activities.  Nor did they have 747s outfitted as tankers so sometimes the fires got really big and burnt vast tracts of forest.  Likely other less advanced peoples did similar things with fire here and there.  The plot showing an unusually longish 'table-top' encompassing the current warm spike seems to correspond with the existence of the our species.  I wonder if this is entirely coincidental.

Aerosols and particulates have been extensively studied.  One aspect of them I find intriquing is that when, say black soot lays down on top of snow, the snow melts far, far more rapidly.  And the soot does not go away - it just continues sitting on top of the snow layer.  There is a question as to whether this may be happening up in the NP areas.

Also, the "Asian brown cloud" is quite interesting.