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January 30, 2015, 04:26:53 AM
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Papp said that he told a Disney executive that “you’ve taught an entire generation about the Arctic, [but] unfortunately, the Arctic that you’ve taught them about is a fantasy kingdom in Norway where everything is nice. What we really need to do is educate the American youth about the plight of the polar bear, about the thawing tundra, about Alaskan villages that run the risk of falling into the sea because of the lack of sea ice protecting their shores.”
According to Papp, this Disney executive dismissed the idea, saying, “Admiral, you might not understand, here at Disney it’s in our culture to tell stories that project optimism and have happy endings.”

http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/01/28/3615987/venereal-disease-taxes-not-climate-change-disney-draws-line-psas/

I can't wait for all of those warmists to force disney to make a sad and gloom animation about how evil every living human is  Grin

I really want them to do it.




Nah, Disney won´t fall for it. They´re in it for the money first and foremost



Of course they have a tradition of pushing all sorts of  causes they have deemed worthy but they won´t touch such a highly controversial issue as global warming. They don´t need the hassle.

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January 30, 2015, 04:26:14 PM
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FORGET CLIMATEGATE: THIS ‘GLOBAL WARMING’ SCANDAL IS MUCH BIGGER





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So before I go into technical detail about why the temperature records are suspect, let me provide an analogy which ought to make it perfectly clear to any neutral parties reading this why the problem I’m about to describe ought not to be consigned to the realms of crackpottery.

Suppose say, that for the last 100 years my family have been maintaining a weather station at the bottom of our garden, diligently recording the temperatures day by day, and that what these records show is this: that in the 1930s it was jolly hot – even hotter than in the 1980s; that since the 1940s it has been cooling.

What conclusions would you draw from this hard evidence?

Well the obvious one, I imagine, is that the dramatic Twentieth Century warming that people like Al Gore have been banging on about is a crock. At least according to this particular weather station it is.

Now how would you feel if you went and took these temperature records along to one of the world’s leading global warming experts – say Gavin Schmidt at NASA or Phil Jones at CRU or Michael Mann at Penn State – and they studied your records for a moment and said: “This isn’t right.” What if they then crossed out all your temperature measurements, did a few calculations on the back of an envelope, and scribbled in their amendments? And you studied those adjustments and you realised, to your astonishment, that the new, pretend temperature measurements told an entirely different story from the original, real temperature measurements: that where before your records showed a cooling since the 1940s they now showed a warming trend.

You’d be gobsmacked, would you not?

Yet, incredible though it may seem, the scenario I’ve just described is more or less exactly analogous to what has happened to the raw data from weather stations all over the world.

Take the ones in Paraguay – a part of the world which contributed heavily to NASA GISS’s recent narrative about 2014 having been the “hottest year on record.”

If it wasn’t for the diligence of amateur investigators like retired accountant Paul Homewood, probably no one would care, not even Paraguayans, what has been going on with the Paraguayan temperature records. But Homewood has done his homework and here, revealed at his site Notalotofpeopleknowthat, is what he found.

He began by examining Paraguay’s only three genuinely rural weather stations. (ie the ones least likely to have had their readings affected over the years by urban development.)

All three – at least in the versions used by NASA GISS for their “hottest year on record” claim – show a “clear and steady” upward (warming) trend since the 1950s, with 2014 shown as the hottest year at one of the sites, Puerto Casado.

Judging by this chart all is clear: it’s getting hotter in Paraguay, just like it is everywhere else in the world.




But wait. How did the Puerto Casado chart look before the temperature data was adjusted? Rather different as you see here:



Perhaps, though, Puerto Casada was an anomaly?

Nope. Similar adjustments, in the same direction, appear to have been made to the two other rural sites.





Ah. But there was surely some innocent explanation for this, Homewood surmised. Perhaps the rural stations were wildly out of kilter with the urban stations and had been ‘homogenised’ accordingly.

Except, guess what?











 OK. So why am I making you look at all these charts? Because seeing is believing.

Without those charts, it would be all too easy for you to go: “Yeah well he’s not a scientist so he probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about” or “he’s exaggerating” or “he has got the wrong end of the stick.”

So, judge for yourself. These are the actual before and after charts, reproduced from NASA’s own website.

Now the next thing the doubters among you will be thinking is: “Well these are reputable scientific institutions. They wouldn’t be making these adjustments without good reason.”

And I’d agree with you. That’s certainly what one would reasonably hope and expect.

But the odd thing is that no satisfactory explanation has been forthcoming from any of the institutions which have been making these adjustments. Not from NASA GISS. Nor from NOAA, which maintains the dataset known as the Global Historical Climate Network. Nor from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia which, with the Met Office, maintains the third of the world’s three surface data records, known as Hadcrut.

About as close as we’ve got to an attempted justification is this piece by Zeke Hausfather – Understanding Adjustments To Temperature Data – at the website of lukewarmer Judith Curry.

The explanations he offers for the basic principles of temperature adjustments are plausible enough. They include things like the Urban Heat Island effect; weather stations which have moved locations; weather stations which appear to give false readings which need to be adjusted in line with their neighbours; changes in measuring equipment; changes in the time of day measurements are taken (formerly in the afternoon, now more usually in the morning,) and so on.

In other words it’s a case of “move along. Nothing to see here” and “trust the Experts. They know best.”

The problem with Hausfather’s explanations is that though they’re fine on the theory they don’t seem to bear much relation to the actuality of the adjustments that have been made around the world.

Take, for example, the Urban Heat Island effect. This is where weather stations, over time, have become surrounded by buildings or other heat sources and which therefore record hotter temperatures than they used to. You’d expect, as a result of this, that recent (ie late 20th century) raw temperature readings from urban areas would be adjusted downwards in order to make them more accurate. Rarely though, is this the case. More usually, the adjustments appear to have been made in the other direction, so that the late twentieth century readings are made hotter still – while the early twentieth century readings have been adjusted to make them look cooler.

And this isn’t just an issue with the adjustments to the Paraguay stations by the way. It has happened all over the world.



http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/30/forget-climategate-this-global-warming-scandal-is-much-bigger/



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January 30, 2015, 04:32:00 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.

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January 30, 2015, 04:40:14 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.



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January 30, 2015, 04:50:21 PM
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They shouldn't be banning them. Do they even freedom of speek?
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January 30, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
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They shouldn't be banning them. Do they even freedom of speek?

Well, nowadays you can´t burn heretics at the stake. It´s just not politically correct. The only way to protect the truth is to ban lies. You can´t have people running around spreading lies about politicians and media spreading lies and obfuscations. That´s threatening some of the very pillars of society and indeed ones that have a very long and unshaken history of integrity and truthfulness.

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January 30, 2015, 05:15:17 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.

Tell this to New York people. ^^
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January 30, 2015, 05:19:14 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

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January 30, 2015, 05:27:51 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.

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January 30, 2015, 05:41:16 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.


...ya, climate scientists would never lie to save their jobs


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January 30, 2015, 05:47:33 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.


...ya, climate scientists would never lie to save their jobs




Never. Like most other folks their house, car, lifestyle is debt-free so they have nothing to lose by not following the party line. You see this unbiased integrity everywhere, the mass media is another prime example.

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January 30, 2015, 05:48:41 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.


...ya, climate scientists would never lie to save their jobs




Never. Like most other folks their house, car, lifestyle is debt-free so they have nothing to lose by not following the party line. You see this unbiased integrity everywhere, the mass media is another prime example.

...mass media is the BIGGEST WHORE!!!
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January 30, 2015, 05:49:00 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

As far as you know, what kind of new input data would you need to make a chart show such drastic difference (opposite direction no less!) with the original recorded raw values?

You do not need to answer if you do not know.

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January 30, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.



As far as you know, what kind of new input data would you need to make a chart show such drastic difference (opposite direction no less!) with the original recorded raw values?

You do not need to answer if you do not know.

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January 30, 2015, 06:02:22 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.



... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.




Those people are climate scientists.

Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.


...ya, climate scientists would never lie to save their jobs




Never. Like most other folks their house, car, lifestyle is debt-free so they have nothing to lose by not following the party line. You see this unbiased integrity everywhere, the mass media is another prime example.

...mass media is the BIGGEST WHORE!!!

Politicians fix the facts to fit their theory. Then it´s off to a long and very bloody and profitable war. The fish rots from the head down. Long tradition of corrupt leadership, well you can´t expect that to result in a populace of exceptional integrity.

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January 30, 2015, 06:21:21 PM
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....The fish rots from the head down.....
Al....
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....The fish rots from the head down.....
Al....





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January 30, 2015, 06:52:09 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.
... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.
Those people are climate scientists.
Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.
...ya, climate scientists would never lie to save their jobs
Never. Like most other folks their house, car, lifestyle is debt-free so they have nothing to lose by not following the party line. You see this unbiased integrity everywhere, the mass media is another prime example.
...mass media is the BIGGEST WHORE!!!
Politicians fix the facts to fit their theory. Then it´s off to a long and very bloody and profitable war. The fish rots from the head down. Long tradition of corrupt leadership, well you can´t expect that to result in a populace of exceptional integrity.

There is an enormous pay-day if energy can be taxed more with 'cap-n-trade' type constructs.  Trillions with a 'T' most likely.  Just managing the money flows will net some huge wins even if one doesn't stick their hand into the cookie jar to much.  I've read projections that Goldman Sachs will rake in billions just running the trading platform.

It makes perfect sense, then, that the stops are pulled out to get this thing cranking along.  They key is to appeal to a broad swath of entities.

 - The Socialists get to at least fool themselves into thinking that this is the path to 'social justice'.
 - The environmentalists get to fool themselves into thinking this is the way to get rid Gaia's blight of humans.
 - The energy companies will just pass the costs on since people need energy no matter what the costs.
 - The governments get to create a giant bureaucracy, and what department head doesn't want more minions?
 - The contractors have business force-funneled there way through the regulatory process.
 - The financial institutions get to create more money to take interest on since the loans are more abundant and amounts bigger.
 - The 'scientists' have a clear career path by producing the 'correct' results.

I've been screwing around with Bitcoin for a while and have dodged a lot of bullets.  Why?  I have a good nose for scams.  This whole 'catastrophic anthropogenic global climate change' (the current favored permutation since 'warming' is not working well lately) is a scam of titanic proportions.  I am convinced of that after studying it for half a year or so.

I'm sure the climate is changing and always has.  I don't doubt that humans have at least a bit to do with it.  I think it unlikely that it will result in any significant 'catastrophe'.  Some people will be impacted more than others, but compared to the catastrophe of allowing the banksters and the minions of miscreants to win and the scientists destroy science I suspect that more people will be better off if the whole scammy climate change scare would just die.


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January 30, 2015, 07:25:04 PM
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It diverts attention from China´s massive pollution.

Western debt creation and cheap and disposable consumer junk from Asia go hand in hand.

They definitely don´t want that boat rocked much.

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January 30, 2015, 08:31:39 PM
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2014 - Hottest year yet recorded.
... Recorded by the same people in charge of those adjusted charts? Got it.
Those people are climate scientists.
Please Rodeo, there is no place for logic in this thread. In this thread, we believe in 4chan information and blog posts. We don't believe in climate scientists, Pssh.
...ya, climate scientists would never lie to save their jobs
Never. Like most other folks their house, car, lifestyle is debt-free so they have nothing to lose by not following the party line. You see this unbiased integrity everywhere, the mass media is another prime example.
...mass media is the BIGGEST WHORE!!!
Politicians fix the facts to fit their theory. Then it´s off to a long and very bloody and profitable war. The fish rots from the head down. Long tradition of corrupt leadership, well you can´t expect that to result in a populace of exceptional integrity.

There is an enormous pay-day if energy can be taxed more with 'cap-n-trade' type constructs.  Trillions with a 'T' most likely.  Just managing the money flows will net some huge wins even if one doesn't stick their hand into the cookie jar to much.  I've read projections that Goldman Sachs will rake in billions just running the trading platform.

It makes perfect sense, then, that the stops are pulled out to get this thing cranking along.  They key is to appeal to a broad swath of entities.

 - The Socialists get to at least fool themselves into thinking that this is the path to 'social justice'.
 - The environmentalists get to fool themselves into thinking this is the way to get rid Gaia's blight of humans.
 - The energy companies will just pass the costs on since people need energy no matter what the costs.
 - The governments get to create a giant bureaucracy, and what department head doesn't want more minions?
 - The contractors have business force-funneled there way through the regulatory process.
 - The financial institutions get to create more money to take interest on since the loans are more abundant and amounts bigger.
 - The 'scientists' have a clear career path by producing the 'correct' results.

I've been screwing around with Bitcoin for a while and have dodged a lot of bullets.  Why?  I have a good nose for scams.  This whole 'catastrophic anthropogenic global climate change' (the current favored permutation since 'warming' is not working well lately) is a scam of titanic proportions.  I am convinced of that after studying it for half a year or so.

I'm sure the climate is changing and always has.  I don't doubt that humans have at least a bit to do with it.  I think it unlikely that it will result in any significant 'catastrophe'.  Some people will be impacted more than others, but compared to the catastrophe of allowing the banksters and the minions of miscreants to win and the scientists destroy science I suspect that more people will be better off if the whole scammy climate change scare would just die.



I could not have written this better myself...

I mean... I REALLY could NOT have written this better myself... Smiley

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