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June 23, 2015, 05:32:40 PM
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Obama Admin Warns 57,000 People Will Die Unless We Enact His Climate Change Rules…


A new report from the Obama administration warns of rising death counts and other disastrous consequences from inaction on climate change.

When compared with a “future with unchecked climate change,” taking action to curb manmade global warming would avoid nearly 13,000 deaths by 2050, and 57,000 deaths by 2100 from poor air quality, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

“This report shows us how costly inaction will be to Americans’ health, our environment and our society,” EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy said in the administration’s latest reason for taking action on climate change.

“But more importantly, it helps us understand the magnitude of benefits to a number of sectors in the U.S. with global climate action,” McCarthy added.

The report, “Climate Change in the United States: Benefits of Global Action,” examines two scenarios — action vs. inaction — that essentially makes an economic argument for deploying more renewable energy and other actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions through the next century.



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June 23, 2015, 11:11:43 PM
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EPA Chief: ‘Climate Deniers’ Aren’t Normal Human Beings









EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy told an audience Tuesday gathered at a White House conference “normal people,” not “climate deniers” will win the debate on global warming.

McCarthy’s remarks came as she was talking about the reasons why the EPA put out a report on the negative health impacts global warming will have on public health. She said the agency puts out such reports to educate the public, not answer critiques from global warming skeptics.

“I am doing that not to push back on climate deniers,” McCarthy told doctors, health professionals and others gathered at a White House summit. “You can have fun doing that if you want, but I’ve batted my head against the wall too many times and if the science already hasn’t changed their mind it never will.”

McCarthy then remarked how “normal people,” and not skeptics would eventually win the global warming debate. Implicit in her remarks is the contention that skeptics are somehow not “normal people.”


http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/23/epa-chief-climate-deniers-arent-normal-human-beings/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


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June 23, 2015, 11:25:33 PM
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Wow!  I finally find something I can agree with Gina McCarthy on!

She is 100% right of course.  'Normal' people are herd animals who can be reliably programmed to believe almost anything no matter how absurd.


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June 24, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
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Obama Admin Warns 57,000 People Will Die Unless We Enact His Climate Change Rules…


A new report from the Obama administration warns of rising death counts and other disastrous consequences from inaction on climate change.

When compared with a “future with unchecked climate change,” taking action to curb manmade global warming would avoid nearly 13,000 deaths by 2050, and 57,000 deaths by 2100 from poor air quality.....


Let me know how many predictions from 1930 about 2015 were valid.
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June 24, 2015, 02:03:19 AM
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Obama Admin Warns 57,000 People Will Die Unless We Enact His Climate Change Rules…


A new report from the Obama administration warns of rising death counts and other disastrous consequences from inaction on climate change.

When compared with a “future with unchecked climate change,” taking action to curb manmade global warming would avoid nearly 13,000 deaths by 2050, and 57,000 deaths by 2100 from poor air quality.....


Let me know how many predictions from 1930 about 2015 were valid.






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June 24, 2015, 02:18:03 AM
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Well, in the late 1800s horse shit was a far more tangible crisis than nowadays when it mostly comes to mind regarding utterances of politicians and prelates and their minions.

In 1894, the Times of London estimated that by 1950 every street in the city would be buried nine feet deep in
horse manure. One New York prognosticator of the 1890s concluded that by 1930 the horse droppings would rise to Manhattan’s third-story windows. At the time the ballooning horse fleet dropped like 5000 tons of manure per day so those concerns seemed quite legitimate.

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June 24, 2015, 03:31:27 AM
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Well, in the late 1800s horse shit was a far more tangible crisis than nowadays when it mostly comes to mind regarding utterances of politicians and prelates and their minions.

In 1894, the Times of London estimated that by 1950 every street in the city would be buried nine feet deep in
horse manure. One New York prognosticator of the 1890s concluded that by 1930 the horse droppings would rise to Manhattan’s third-story windows. At the time the ballooning horse fleet dropped like 5000 tons of manure per day so those concerns seemed quite legitimate.


That's some pretty good shit.
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June 24, 2015, 04:59:06 AM
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Parable of Horseshit.

“When the solution to a given problem doesn’t lie right before our eyes, it is easy to assume that no solution exists. But history has shown again and again that such assumptions are wrong.”

---SuperFreakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes, and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance”

book by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner

“Just as equine activity once threatened to stomp out civilization, there is now a fear that human activity will do the same.” As usual, they say, the anxiety is unwarranted. First, the global-warming threat has been exaggerated; there is uncertainty about how, exactly, the earth will respond to rising CO2 levels, and uncertainty has “a nasty way of making us conjure up the very worst possibilities.” Second, solutions are bound to present themselves: “Technological fixes are often far simpler, and therefore cheaper, than the doomsayers could have imagined.”

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June 24, 2015, 05:54:04 AM
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In 1898, delegates from across the globe gathered in New York City for the world’s first international urban planning conference. One topic totally dominated the discussion. Horse poop. In fact this was deemed such a huge and insurmountable problem with no practical solution in sight that this conference broke up in desperation after three days instead of the scheduled ten. Twenty years later the city’s last horse-drawn streetcar made its final run.

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June 24, 2015, 11:31:00 AM
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In 1898, delegates from across the globe gathered in New York City for the world’s first international urban planning conference. One topic totally dominated the discussion. Horse poop. In fact this was deemed such a huge and insurmountable problem with no practical solution in sight that this conference broke up in desperation after three days instead of the scheduled ten. Twenty years later the city’s last horse-drawn streetcar made its final run.

No shit?
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June 24, 2015, 11:55:58 AM
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In 1898, delegates from across the globe gathered in New York City for the world’s first international urban planning conference. One topic totally dominated the discussion. Horse poop. In fact this was deemed such a huge and insurmountable problem with no practical solution in sight that this conference broke up in desperation after three days instead of the scheduled ten. Twenty years later the city’s last horse-drawn streetcar made its final run.

No shit?

I guess you don´t glean any point from this and that´s just fine. Probably someone will. Bye bye and good luck, g

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June 24, 2015, 12:00:29 PM
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STEVEN MALANGA

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The pope’s encyclical on climate change ignores how markets and technology have lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty.


June 19, 2015

Shortly after the Argentinian cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was consecrated Pope Francis in 2013, news stories reported that the new pontiff wanted to build a stronger relationship between the Catholic Church and science—one that saw science not in opposition to, but compatible with, religious belief. Some months later, the pope declared that evolution and the Big Bang theory of creation are real and don’t conflict with belief in God. Now, in the wake of the pope’s encyclical on climate change and the environment, Laudato Si (or, Be Praised), the press has exulted in the pope’s apparent effort to find even more “common ground” with science.

Nothing could be further from the truth. The encyclical, whose title is derived from a line from St. Francis of Assisi’s Canticle of the Sun (“Be praised, My Lord, through all your Creatures”), is being welcomed by some in the scientific community because it proclaims that climate change is real and that humanity must address it. But the nearly 38,000-word document—most of which is not about climate change—actually reads like a giant step backward for the Church’s social teaching: a rejection of technological progress; a dark, narrow vision of human nature that ignores the enormous gains the world has made in alleviating human suffering; and an almost antihuman call, reminiscent of the most radical environmentalists, to reduce human activity drastically as the only way to save the planet. As Michael Shellenberger, president of the Breakthrough Institute and co-author of An Ecomodernist Manifesto, observed: “When [the] Pope speaks of ‘irrational faith in human progress’ I want him to visit the Congo to see what life is like when there is no progress.”

Early on, Francis said that his papacy would be shaped by his experiences serving the poor of Argentina—a place where, as economic historian Pierpaolo Barbieri wrote in the Wall Street Journal, “Government takeovers [of private businesses] and crony capitalism are the enemy of genuine development.” More than any recent pope, his vision has been shaped by this distorted view of how modern trade and commerce work. One result is that Laudato Si devolves into a long rant against consumerism that ignores the many benefits produced by human innovation through free markets.

French writer Pascal Bruckner has observed that modern environmentalism is essentially a composite of the blame game preached by two twentieth-century ideologies: Marxism, which blamed capitalism for humanity’s problems; and Third World ideology, which blamed the West. This perfectly describes Laudato Si. No less than five times the pope derides humanity’s “throwaway culture.” His concern? We don’t recycle most of the paper we use. The pope also disparages “financial gain,” “financial interests,” and “financial resources” more than a dozen times, though what these interests have to do with the environment isn’t clear. It doesn’t seem to matter. They make a convenient target in the world from which the pope hails, where a theology of class warfare seems to reign.

Pope Francis frames his argument in favor of a heavy-handed environmentalism around the idea that climate change hurts the poor the most. Yet he seems to have little notion of what has helped the world’s poor more than anything: namely, the march of markets and technology, which has lifted billions out of destitution. Instead, Francis rails against those who “doggedly uphold the myth of progress,” the “modern myth of unlimited material progress,” and the “myths of modernity,” including “unlimited progress.” Yet after levying these warnings against progress, the pope calls for a bigger effort to develop sources of renewable energy. Exactly how will this be accomplished, except through giant advances in technology?

Too much of the encyclical reads like a list of green gremlins cooked up by the most ardent environmentalists. Francis finds reason not to like genetically modified foods because, he claims, wherever they’re employed, “productive land is concentrated in the hands of a few owners” and small farms disappear due to “an expansion of oligopolies for the production of cereals and other products.” This claim ignores the good that genetically engineered food does in boosting production and helping to feed people around the world.

The pope also decries the way humans are depleting the world’s natural resources. Under this heading, he includes a lack of fresh drinking water in some areas. He claims that water suitable for drinking “is a basic and universal human right.” But in much of the underdeveloped world, human overuse isn’t responsible for the scarcity of drinking water; rather, lack of technology to discover, pump, and purify water is the issue. Bringing clean water to Africa’s poor, for instance, has nothing to do with Americans or other wealthy peoples using too much of their own water. Instead, the solution lies in transferring the tools we have developed for ourselves—technologies that have drastically reduced disease and dehydration—to the poor.

The most dispiriting thing about the encyclical, however, is the relentlessly bleak vision of the world this pope proffers. He at times sounds like a survivalist warning that time is running out—and not because the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Francis talks of impending, large-scale natural disasters, the breakdown of social life on the planet, and warns, “Doomsday predictions can no longer be met with irony or disdain.” His critique ignores so much—the extension of democracy and rise of the middle class in the Third World, the decrease in wars, the eradication of deadly diseases, and even the decline in pollution in places, thanks to technological innovations like cleaner engines and fuels.

The pope’s assuming of the apocalyptic tone of the environmentalist is, in the end, ironic. It is the Church’s gospel that offers us the true Apocalypse, which is a hopeful revelation of God’s coming and cause for joy among the good. Laudato Si, by contrast, is perhaps the least hopeful, most joyless document to come out of the Vatican in my lifetime.

Steven Malanga is the senior editor of City Journal and the author of Shakedown: The Continuing Conspiracy Against the American Taxpayer.

http://www.city-journal.org/2015/eon0619sm.html

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June 24, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
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What's really warming the world? by Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/
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June 24, 2015, 01:45:39 PM
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Britain faces FREEZING winters as slump in solar activity threatens 'little Ice Age'

BRITAIN could face colder than average winters with a plunge in solar activity threatening a new "little ice age" in the next few decades.






Climate experts warn the amount of light and warmth released by the sun is nosediving to levels "not seen for centuries".

They fear a repeat of the so-called 'Maunder Minimum' which triggered Arctic winter whiteouts and led to the River Thames freezing 300 years ago.

The Met Office-led study warns although the effect will be offset by recent global warming, Britain faces years of unusually cold winters.

A spokesman said: "A return to low solar activity not seen for centuries could increase the chances of cold winters in Europe and eastern parts of the United States but wouldn't halt global warming.

"Return of 'grand solar minimum' could affect European and eastern US winters."

Long episodes of low solar activity were seen during the Maunder Minimum between 1645 and 1715 and the 'Dalton Minimum' from 1790 to 1830.

Both periods coincided with colder-than-normal global temperatures earning the title from scientists of "Little Ice Age."

The latest study, published in Nature Communications, found reduced solar activity will lead to an overall cooling of the Earth of 0.1C.

A much bigger cooling effect is expected for Britain, northern Europe and North America where thermometers could drop by 0.8C.

Amanda Maycock, of the University of Cambridge and National Centre for Atmospheric Science, said: "It's important that we consider the potential impact of changes in UV output when looking at future climate."

Met Office scientist and lead author Sarah Ineson, said: "This research shows that the regional impacts of a grand solar minimum are likely to be larger than the global effect.

"This study shows that the sun isn't going to save us from global warming, but it could have impacts at a regional level that should be factored in to decisions about adapting to climate change for the decades to come."

Met Office long-range expert professor Adam Scaife said solar activity has already started to decline over the past few years.

He said: "Although the effect on global temperatures is very small, the local effect is big enough to make a difference and we need to include that in our future climate projections."

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/586404/Britain-freezing-winters-slump-solar-activity


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June 24, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
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Weak sun could offset some global warming in Europe and US – study


Regional impact of a weaker solar cycle likely to be larger than global effect, with only minimal impact on worldwide temperature rises caused by climate change






Global warming in northern Europe and the eastern US could be partially offset in future winters because of the sun entering a weaker cycle similar to the one which enabled frost fairs to take place on the river Thames in the 17th and 18th century, according to new research.

However, the study said any potential weakening in solar activity would have only a small effect on temperature rises at a worldwide level, delaying the warming caused by emissions from cars, factories and power plants by around two years.

The sun has been in a period of high activity for the past few decades. But scientists believe there is now as much as a 20% chance of a weaker period of activity, known as a grand solar minimum, occurring in the next 40 years.

“Even if you do go into Maunder minimum conditions it’s not going to combat global warming, the sun’s not going to save us,” said lead author Sarah Ineson at the Met Office. The Maunder minimum is the name for the sun’s weak period during 1645-1715, when the Thames froze solidly enough for eyewitnesses to report horse-driven carriages crossing it.

Climate change means such sights in the second half of the century would not occur, since the sun’s cooling effect would only reduce manmade temperature rises in northern Europe and the eastern US by 0.4-0.8C. Such offsetting was not a “large signal”, Ineson said, although the study found there would be more frosty days in those regions than there would be without the weaker solar activity.


Northern Europe and the eastern US would experience a much stronger cooling effect from a weaker period of the sun’s activity than other areas because less ultraviolet solar energy at the top of the stratosphere would cause a chain reaction which would affect the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). The NAO is a climate phenomenon which plays a key role in influencing winter weather on both sides of the Atlantic.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/23/weak-sun-could-offset-some-global-warming-europe-us-study



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June 24, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
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What's really warming the world? by Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/


This data obsoletes all "solar activity, natural causes" crap posted above, enjoy  Smiley
If you believe your own opinion more than data, then you must believe in unicorns too and have a massive ego problem Smiley
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June 24, 2015, 02:09:41 PM
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What's really warming the world? by Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/


This data obsoletes all "solar activity, natural causes" crap posted above, enjoy  Smiley
If you believe your own opinion more than data, then you must believe in unicorns too and have a massive ego problem Smiley


... Says someone using [ size=20pt ] font to prove how big my ego is? 15pt is more than enough dude...





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June 24, 2015, 02:13:44 PM
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What's really warming the world? by Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/


This data obsoletes all "solar activity, natural causes" crap posted above, enjoy  Smiley
If you believe your own opinion more than data, then you must believe in unicorns too and have a massive ego problem Smiley


... Says someone using [ size=20pt ] font to prove how big my ego is? 15pt is more than enough dude...







Keep quoting that link with gif animation answers, it makes deniers look more stupid  Smiley
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June 24, 2015, 03:18:12 PM
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What's really warming the world? by Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/


This data obsoletes all "solar activity, natural causes" crap posted above, enjoy  Smiley
If you believe your own opinion more than data, then you must believe in unicorns too and have a massive ego problem Smiley


... Says someone using [ size=20pt ] font to prove how big my ego is? 15pt is more than enough dude...







Keep quoting that link with gif animation answers, it makes deniers look more stupid  Smiley

blumebarg?!? they sure rulez fancy graphs. does it make them legit? hum nope.

just quoting them superdouches from NASA and IPCC. such research, much contradiction.


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June 24, 2015, 04:00:32 PM
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What's really warming the world? by Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/


This data obsoletes all "solar activity, natural causes" crap posted above, enjoy  Smiley
If you believe your own opinion more than data, then you must believe in unicorns too and have a massive ego problem Smiley


... Says someone using [ size=20pt ] font to prove how big my ego is? 15pt is more than enough dude...







Keep quoting that link with gif animation answers, it makes deniers look more stupid  Smiley

Sure...

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