[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[volyova]

Has this controversial thread been deleted from /r/dashpay??? It was on the front page earlier today. https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/5pp4zp/all_countries_are_advised_to_take_action_against/
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"All countries are advised to take action against Digital Currencies Mixers/Tumblers." • /r/dashpay
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[iCEBREAKER]

https://www.baselgovernance.org/news/global-conference-countering-money-laundering-and-digital-currencies

Has this controversial thread been deleted from /r/dashpay??? It was on the front page earlier today. https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/5pp4zp/all_countries_are_advised_to_take_action_against/
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"All countries are advised to take action against Digital Currencies Mixers/Tumblers." • /r/dashpay
10 points and 10 comments so far on reddit

You can still see the OP's posts here: https://www.reddit.com/user/Bertronburbaron

The Evan's Gate cult is hilarious.  First they screech knee-jerk denials that the new anti-mixing/tumbling laws apply to Masternodes, then try changing the subject to other coins, and finally just run over the inconvenient facts using their pet mod's sensor ship.

The streets are paved with pure comedy over in Dashland these days.  If only responses were allowed in Minotaur's locked pseudo-update threads, we'd see absolutely epic herds of stampeding lolcows....

Wow, no wonder the DashHoles wanted to shut this guy up.  He's spitting pure fire:

http://archive.is/BvbfB

Evan Duffield already succumb to the pressures of Europol when he found out that Darkcoin was named in a report published by them and decided to change the name because of that.

 I know somebody who has proof as to that being the main reason the project was re-branded.

There was no pressure in this instance either only a name in a report, yet Evan felt the need to change the name. What will happen if Europol calls up their USA buddies and says, "hey, this project here has mixing at protocol level, you should probably apply pressure to these developers living in AZ and working out of ASU's Sky Park Buildings." What happens when ASU is contacted by the Agencies in USA and told they can no longer rent space to the Dash project because the developers wont remove the mixing code? I'm not saying these are laws, but Evan already has proven to succumb to pressure, it's only reasonable to believe he would do it again.

A Crypto Friendly Trump Administration doesn't mean anything when it comes to tumbling/mixing. They may take a light stance on the entire industry as a whole but when it comes to a tool that can facilitate money laundering they will not take a light stance, you can bet your balls on that.

[Terzo2]

Icebreaker is so dedicated. He seems to find dash very valuable and attracts his attention daily.

[K~Ehleyr]

Icebreaker is so dedicated. He seems to find dash very valuable and attracts his attention daily.

Crazy isn't it?  If these trolls believed half the rubbish they spout about Dash they wouldn't come near!  They'd be too busy leading lives and stuff 

[iCEBREAKER]

Icebreaker is so dedicated. He seems to find dash very valuable and attracts his attention daily.

"If you see fraud and do not say fraud, you are a fraud." -Nassim Nicholas Taleb

Ron Paul is so dedicated. He seems to find The Federal Reserve very valuable and attracts his attention daily.

Julian Assange is so dedicated. He seems to find Hillary Clinton very valuable and attracts his attention daily.

Thanks for the compliment.

But it's not *my* attention Dash should be worried about.

Dash is attracting the attention of the Dutch government and The Basel Institute on Governance, specifically with regards to its Masternodes' ability to mix/tumble coins (IE, launder money).

But we're not allowed to discuss this news on /r/Dashpay.  Typical cult tactics, don't let the brainwashed victims hear any news contradicting Dear Leader's narrative.... 

[MasterMined710]

Monero FUD.....
Dash is attracting the attention of the Dutch government and The Basel Institute on Governance, specifically with regards to its Masternodes' ability to mix/tumble coins (IE, launder money).

But we're not allowed to discuss this news on /r/Dashpay.  Typical cult tactics, don't let the brainwashed victims hear any news contradicting Dear Leader's narrative.... 

Not true. Dash does not work like that. Masternodes never come into possession of any actual coins. Bitcoin mixers are different.
It appears all use of monero and other "privacy by default" currencies are now illegal in the netherlands and spreading to other countries. Dump while you still can!

[BrainShutdown]

And now lets move to what really matters  

Proposal: Marketing - International Outreach & Promotion (February)

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-marketing-international-outreach-promotion-february.12837/

This proposal extends the international outreach and promotion efforts in French, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, and Russian, adjusted to current exchange rates.

Proposal: Public Relations (February)

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-public-relations-february.12838/

This proposal provides funding for our ongoing PR campaign adjusted to the current exchange rate.

[rekcahxfb_foundation]

Dash, Monero, Zcash...

all of them have this slogan "Private transactions, privacy".. Which is best?

[BrainShutdown]

Monero FUD.....
Dash is attracting the attention of the Dutch government and The Basel Institute on Governance, specifically with regards to its Masternodes' ability to mix/tumble coins (IE, launder money).

But we're not allowed to discuss this news on /r/Dashpay.  Typical cult tactics, don't let the brainwashed victims hear any news contradicting Dear Leader's narrative.... 

Not true. Dash does not work like that. Masternodes never come into possession of any actual coins. Bitcoin mixers are different.
It appears all use of monero and other "privacy by default" currencies are now illegal in the netherlands and spreading to other countries. Dump while you still can!

Facts don't matter!! XMR FTW DASH SCAM yadayada and xit  

[K~Ehleyr]

Dash, Monero, Zcash...

all of them have this slogan "Private transactions, privacy".. Which is best?

and you're posting that question on the Dash thread because.... you want an unbiased opinion???

Your username looks familiar btw, so are you rekcahxfb, the guy who hacked rekcahxfb or the guy who hacked rekcahxfb's hacker?

[BrainShutdown]

Dash, Monero, Zcash...

all of them have this slogan "Private transactions, privacy".. Which is best?

You're on Dash thread so you know the answer...
Just research, try to filter out the FUD (very important) and make your own mind. That's the best advice I could give you

[TanteStefana2]

Dash, Monero, Zcash...

all of them have this slogan "Private transactions, privacy".. Which is best?

The only one with privacy AND an open blockchain is Dash.  Why is that important?  Because, there is no way to verify that the code is acting properly, that coins can't be introduced or duplicated or anything.  Their opaque blockchains have already been compromised with found vulnerabilities.  What if there are vulnerabilities that have not been found yet?  They would be found if the blockchain were open and auditable, because it would be clear that the balance totals are where they shouldn't be, and immediately, the issue would be resolved.  In a hidden blockchain, these vulnerabilities might never be found except by some bad players/hackers or else after much damage has been done.

And that's not to mention, what happens 5, 10, 20 years from now when the cryptography can be uncovered?  What happens if someone figures a way to detangle the outputs?  Then every transaction's owner would be known.

In Dash, you can see the mixing clear as day, but it's simple uncertainty.  You can't prove who owns which account number.  It's doubtful upon the first mix.  Successive mixes make it exponentially more doubtful, but honestly, doubt is doubt, and if you can't prove one transaction belongs to a person, due to reasonable doubt, then that's enough.  Yet you can mix as many times as you like, for virtually pennies.  And this is done on an open blockchain.  You see exactly the same inputs and outputs, 3 input addresses, 3 output addresses, and no way to tell which of the output addresses belong to which of the input addresses.  Simple and elegant and virtually and in fact arguably as effective as an opaque blockchain without the risk.  

On top of all that ^^^  Dash couldn't implement all the other services it offers without an open blockchain.  Dash is instant and yet secure, locking transactions within 2 seconds on average.  As fast as or faster than Visa Mastercard, etc...  Another thing Dash will be able to do is complex smart contracts which will allow for trustless masternode sharing = interest on your accounts.  Dash will also be able to bring in a human element with Arbitration.  For a small fee, you can opt in to have your transactions backed up with arbitration.  Funds locked in a smart contract where both parties argue they were wronged, can go to a human, paid for by the fee, who will make judgement and resolve the transactions.  They will have the ability to award all the funds, or a % back to each user.  This will enable buyers to have the security of a credit card.  Other options could also be insurance, which would require a fee of course.  But none of this would be available to an opaque blockchain, and thus, and opaque blockchain can not serve normal users.

[Riseman]

Dash, Monero, Zcash...

all of them have this slogan "Private transactions, privacy".. Which is best?

If you are asking this only to choose an investment then I'd suggest not to go all in in any of them but rather diversify. Proportions are up to you depending on which one you like better. Either one can moon or get rekt any time regardless of any fundamentals it has. Or them all together depending on the current altcoin market phase.

[volyova]

New place on reddit to discuss Dash without fear of censorship. https://www.reddit.com/r/DashUncensored/

[iCEBREAKER]

New place on reddit to discuss Dash without fear of censorship. https://www.reddit.com/r/DashUncensored/

Good job!

The hostility shown here and in /r/dashpay towards anyone asking perfectly reasonable questions about Dash's trusted third party security holes, atrociously slow mixing times, and massive instamine is ridiculous.

Of course I understand why the bagholding cultists need to discourage any mention of DarkSend's use of trusted third party Masternodes, ungodly slow mixing times, and pitifully small anonymity set.  If they don't, people start discovering inconvenient facts like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/5pl8tn/how_long_does_it_take_for_me_to_send_about_110/

(wallet must stay open and connected to internet for mixing) [LOL WTF?]

Disclosure: I am a Dash holder and I would like to see good test results but I will only note what is happening in front of me.

06:33 - 10 Dash - Start mixing process of 8 rounds

06:33 - tx fee (.00017440 Dash) mixing fee

07:29 - 8 Dash mixed 3 rounds

07:50 - tx fee (.001 Dash) mixing fee

07:59 - 8 Dash mixed 4 rounds - these are only the 1 dash denominations

09:10 - 9.1 Dash mixed at least 4 round - includes smaller denominations of .1 's

09:25 - 8 Dash mixed 7 rounds

09:37 - 7 Dash mixed 8 round

09:52 - 8 Dash mixed 8 rounds - Private Send can now be done using Coin Control sending 7.33 Dash (110USD) but you will have to send the entire 8 Dash since Private Send only uses whole denominations and and will not return your change but instead will use it as tx fee. So, we will have wait until at least 4 - .1 Dash denominations are fully mixed. Right now they have only been through 5 rounds.

10:07 - 5 - .1 Dash mixed 6 rounds / 6 - .1 Dash still at 5 rounds

10:50 - 8 - .1 Dash mixed 6 rounds / 3 - .1 Dash still at 5 rounds

12:51 - Looks like it might be stuck.  [LOL WTF?]

At this point, depending on your situation, you might want to suck up the $10.05 fee and get the transaction processed rather than waiting.  [LOL WTF?]

For those of you in Rio Linda, this means Dash takes $10 worth of fees and a minimum of 7.5 hours to mix $110 worth of coins (and you have to be online the entire time, so HELLO TIMING ANALYSIS ATTACKS).  Sad.  

[gusterdd]

DashPay Point of sale.
This is very good idea.
Can I  pay,sell product by Dash with smart phone by this simple app ?

At next develope :
Does this app support USD,EUR,JPY ?

[MasterMined710]

(wallet must stay open and connected to internet for mixing) [LOL WTF?]

Disclosure: I am a Dash holder and I would like to see good test results but I will only note what is happening in front of me.

06:33 - 10 Dash - Start mixing process of 8 rounds

06:33 - tx fee (.00017440 Dash) mixing fee

07:29 - 8 Dash mixed 3 rounds

07:50 - tx fee (.001 Dash) mixing fee

07:59 - 8 Dash mixed 4 rounds - these are only the 1 dash denominations

09:10 - 9.1 Dash mixed at least 4 round - includes smaller denominations of .1 's

09:25 - 8 Dash mixed 7 rounds

09:37 - 7 Dash mixed 8 round

09:52 - 8 Dash mixed 8 rounds - Private Send can now be done using Coin Control sending 7.33 Dash (110USD) but you will have to send the entire 8 Dash since Private Send only uses whole denominations and and will not return your change but instead will use it as tx fee. So, we will have wait until at least 4 - .1 Dash denominations are fully mixed. Right now they have only been through 5 rounds.

10:07 - 5 - .1 Dash mixed 6 rounds / 6 - .1 Dash still at 5 rounds

10:50 - 8 - .1 Dash mixed 6 rounds / 3 - .1 Dash still at 5 rounds

12:51 - Looks like it might be stuck.  [LOL WTF?]

At this point, depending on your situation, you might want to suck up the $10.05 fee and get the transaction processed rather than waiting.  [LOL WTF?]

For those of you in Yorba Linda, this means Dash takes $10 worth of fees and a minimum of 7.5 hours to mix $110 worth of coins (and you have to be online the entire time, so HELLO TIMING ANALYSIS ATTACKS).  Sad.   

No not $10 in fee's icy, lol.
Looks like 8 dash ($117.84 current pricing) were mixed at 3 rounds in less than an hour for a fee of .00017440 dash. The 0.1 denoms would take a bit longer but No need to mix more than 2-3 rounds IMO. I guess you could go 4 rounds if you were not in a hurry, 8 rounds is overkill considering no one can even crack a 4 round mix that has been public for almost a year now.

Unlike some coins Dash tech does not stand still and is constantly innovating and improving. None of those mixing times will matter anyways here in about 2 weeks or so when version 12.1 is released with optimized mixing. Try again then, after the network is fully updated.

Until then we still need your help with TIMING ANALYSIS ATTACKS icebreaker....

Dash De-anonymization Contest

Icebreaker and other trolleros: I have donated $1 to Monero's development team. I sent 0.25 Dash (TX ID: 59d51690d4b56ddbf1e393fa8d3a49bcfc3247f270f36be3b6ee411802666cba-000) to shapeshift.io, which converted it to Bitcoin and sent it to the official Monero donation address listed at https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/.

I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.

Please tell me what address this transaction originated from.

Cheers!

[TanteStefana2]

No not $10 in fee's icy, lol.
Looks like 8 dash ($117.84 current pricing) were mixed at 3 rounds in less than an hour for a fee of .00017440 dash. The 0.1 denoms would take a bit longer but No need to mix more than 2-3 rounds IMO. I guess you could go 4 rounds if you were not in a hurry, 8 rounds is overkill considering no one can even crack a 4 round mix that has been public for almost a year now.

Unlike some coins Dash tech does not stand still and is constantly innovating and improving. None of those mixing times will matter anyways here in about 2 weeks or so when version 12.1 is released with optimized mixing. Try again then, after the network is fully updated.

Until then we still need your help with TIMING ANALYSIS ATTACKS icebreaker....

Dash De-anonymization Contest

Icebreaker and other trolleros: I have donated $1 to Monero's development team. I sent 0.25 Dash (TX ID: 59d51690d4b56ddbf1e393fa8d3a49bcfc3247f270f36be3b6ee411802666cba-000) to shapeshift.io, which converted it to Bitcoin and sent it to the official Monero donation address listed at https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/.

I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.

Please tell me what address this transaction originated from.

Cheers!

Also, the liquidity provider program was stopped a month ago.  With 12.1 there will be multi-session, so that your coins will be submitted much faster.  There is no timing attack, because a timing doesn't tell you anything.  With people mixing at different times, and entering the pool at different times, finishing at different times, there is no real way to tell what coin went where if you mix a few times.

Even with multisession, you need people to mix with, and if nobody is mixing, then it's hard.  Dash needs adoption and users using it - there is no question.  It's still very usable, but it isn't as fast as it will be in the future when people are commonly using Dash.  I'm looking forward to seeing how much better the times will be with 12.1 on mainnet.

[MasterMined710]

Why Aren't We Seeing Greater Adoption of Cryptocurrency?
https://youtu.be/zrIul2OGsQE

Published on Jan 23, 2017
Ryan Taylor defines two reasons crypto hasn't gone mainstream yet -- and it may not be the reasons you've been told elsewhere. This is the speech delivered by the Director of Finance of Dash at The North American Bitcoin Conference, 2017.

Learn more by visiting http://dash.org

Original presentation here: https://youtu.be/Tn2s6IHAL4A

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[DimiZb]

DashPay Point of sale.

Dash is the main stream adoption crypto currency, not like monero, it is only used in darknet market, dare they pay monero in real life?