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August 16, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
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There is going to be a simple fix for fringe cases like camo's, it's just a matter of being methodical and finding it.

Nothing stresses people out like money, I'm happy I've spent most of my life without any.  Grin
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August 16, 2014, 11:55:29 AM
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There is going to be a simple fix for fringe cases like camo's, it's just a matter of being methodical and finding it.

Nothing stresses people out like money, I'm happy I've spent most of my life without any.  Grin

The fixes always seem to be really simple once found but not obvious until somebody with a real understanding of the wallet takes a look.  Thats why I find it so frustrating that some people prefer to report their issues here when they could report them in both locations and actually get them fixed quickly.

Anyway, once again I apologise to anybody who I have offended.  My post was badly phrased and I did not want to offend anybody who is genuinely experiencing issues.  I just don't understand why somebody with coins/money at stake would rather post here without bothering to report it to the proper place too.

Its like coming into work to find your PC has a problem, posting your problem on Facebook and not bothering to ring your helpdesk.

EDIT:  I have suggested on Darkcointalk that people over there who spend time on here are extra vigilant to log issues that are being reported here but not there. 

The official advice remains that if you have an issue please consider reporting it on Darkcointalk otherwise you risk it not being identified and fixed.
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August 16, 2014, 11:57:38 AM
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+1 Obvious liars are obvious

Any problems with Darkcoin should be reported here :  https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-issues-bugs-feature-requests.2039/

If confirmed, it will be added to the bug tracker and fixed for the next release.  The bugtracker is open for public viewing if you are interested.

Anybody bitching here about problems who aren't willing to make their claim on the official forum should be disregarded as FUD.
Eat shit cuntbucket.
You've just made my day.  Seriously.  What are you, twelve years old?

Glad you like to fix things.   Go report it on the official thread and you'll get help.
If that sort of thing makes your day, then go back and read your own garbage for an orgasm. Being a shitbag with fancy words is still being a shit bag. Pardon me for getting tot he damn point and not wasting tact on a douche. No, wait, don't pardon me, I don't need an excuse to call a spade a spade. This conversation is over.
Camo, what has happened to you? I don't remember you spreading so much negativity in the last months as you have in the last days.

I like most am getting tired of reading about your damn edge case problems. You are monopolizing this thread with your issues and cluttering it with negativity. Do us all a favor and go get the the help you need from darkcointalk and irc and report back here when you have something constructive for us.

You may think you are helping darkcoin but really you are doing great damage to confidence with your ongoing drama.
Well, if it were working I wouldn't have to... You basically just want me to shut up so it looks ok when it isn't?

I'm going to bed. You assholes can blow me.

I don't think that is what is being said -- people are saying that you may not find the help you need here. Your right Evan may have some updates tomorrow, but likely if you stick to these forums your issues will never be solved.  If you don't want to sign up to those forums then at least open a direct dialog with Evan on irc or via mail.
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August 16, 2014, 11:58:02 AM
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Stonehedge, stop looking for logic here.

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August 16, 2014, 11:58:09 AM
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Dont worry about offending people in this thread. This thread has been a joke for the past 3 months, anything of actual importance is posted on darkcointalk, or at least should be.
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Hey buddy, I don't know what your problem is but I told you I don't have an account on darkcointalk and I don't have the need or desire to create one.  Nobody has to conform to your way and where they post the issues they are having.  I have no interest in complying with your request.  You start calling people liars then you can go to hell.  I already posted all the sit in this thread but I'll do it again since you are obviously unable to read a couple pages back.  Did I just make your day too?  


My problem is that this thread is so busy that people's bugs/issues can be lost several pages back and that the only reliable way to get a problem fixed is to follow the formal approach to report a bug.

There have been some people posting lies on this thread recently, yes.  I did not say who and I certainly did not intend to imply that you were one of those people.  I have re-read my posts and apologised for my tone and for offending anybody.  

You really did make me laugh by saying "eat shit cuntbucket".  I wasn't being sarcastic.  I have a puerile sense of humour.

No your problem is that you don't want people to hear about these bugs with RC4.  Nobody but the cheerleaders go to darkcointalk, everyone else comes here.  You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore. People are going to update and have real money at stake.  Yet there isn't any official information or assistance being given out on this forum with the most traffic.  Go back to your utopia on darkcointalk and talk about how everything is great and working perfectly while the majority of people see whats actually going on.  The market knows what's going on that's for sure.  
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August 16, 2014, 11:59:42 AM
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+1 Obvious liars are obvious

Any problems with Darkcoin should be reported here :  https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-issues-bugs-feature-requests.2039/

If confirmed, it will be added to the bug tracker and fixed for the next release.  The bugtracker is open for public viewing if you are interested.

Anybody bitching here about problems who aren't willing to make their claim on the official forum should be disregarded as FUD.
Eat shit cuntbucket.
You've just made my day.  Seriously.  What are you, twelve years old?

Glad you like to fix things.   Go report it on the official thread and you'll get help.
If that sort of thing makes your day, then go back and read your own garbage for an orgasm. Being a shitbag with fancy words is still being a shit bag. Pardon me for getting tot he damn point and not wasting tact on a douche. No, wait, don't pardon me, I don't need an excuse to call a spade a spade. This conversation is over.
Camo, what has happened to you? I don't remember you spreading so much negativity in the last months as you have in the last days.

I like most am getting tired of reading about your damn edge case problems. You are monopolizing this thread with your issues and cluttering it with negativity. Do us all a favor and go get the the help you need from darkcointalk and irc and report back here when you have something constructive for us.

You may think you are helping darkcoin but really you are doing great damage to confidence with your ongoing drama.
Well, if it were working I wouldn't have to... You basically just want me to shut up so it looks ok when it isn't?

I'm going to bed. You assholes can blow me.

I don't think that is what is being said -- people are saying that you may not find the help you need here. You right Evan may have some updates tomorrow, but likely if you stick to these forums your issues will never be solved.  If you don't want to sign up to those forums then at least open a direct dialog with Evan on irc or via mail.

I believe that you can also log bug reports directly on Jira without having to engage with IRC or the devs or even sign up to darkcointalk.
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August 16, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
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Hey buddy, I don't know what your problem is but I told you I don't have an account on darkcointalk and I don't have the need or desire to create one.  Nobody has to conform to your way and where they post the issues they are having.  I have no interest in complying with your request.  You start calling people liars then you can go to hell.  I already posted all the sit in this thread but I'll do it again since you are obviously unable to read a couple pages back.  Did I just make your day too?  


My problem is that this thread is so busy that people's bugs/issues can be lost several pages back and that the only reliable way to get a problem fixed is to follow the formal approach to report a bug.

There have been some people posting lies on this thread recently, yes.  I did not say who and I certainly did not intend to imply that you were one of those people.  I have re-read my posts and apologised for my tone and for offending anybody.  

You really did make me laugh by saying "eat shit cuntbucket".  I wasn't being sarcastic.  I have a puerile sense of humour.

No your problem is that you don't want people to hear about these bugs with RC4.  Nobody but the cheerleaders go to darkcointalk, everyone else comes here.  You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore. People are going to update and have real money at stake.  Yet there isn't any official information or assistance being given out on this forum with the most traffic.  Go back to your utopia on darkcointalk and talk about how everything is great and working perfectly while the majority of people see whats actually going on.  The market knows what's going on that's for sure.  

The problems are expected and being dealt with. What planet are you living on.
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August 16, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
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I'm sure some will say I'm foolish for playing with this much DRK, but would you like it to stand for months until someone stumbles upon it?

I haven't actually lost anything, except the fees for doing nothing...

Are you sure you dont have any config files in the data folder?
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August 16, 2014, 12:01:45 PM
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I had this fun thing, too...




Ya that's fun thing.

That was gone with new blockchains download, isn't ?

Takes a denom fee, but doesn't denominate... I'm about to try sending out of the wallet again... It just sits there. Not doing a damn thing. Been over an hour...

Now the calculation for fees don't add up at all... Send won't show up on the chain... Basically, can't do anything. It just plain doesn't work. I can't do a damn thing with it.

My coins are stuck in this wallet. Can't send them, can't denominate them. Can't do shit.

Restarted client. Now it says I have 4 duffs and nothing else...

restarted client again, changed absolutely not a damn thing, now the balance is back, and fuck, before I can finish typing it, the send that refused to happen, which I did erasetransaction on almost 2 hours ago, which never made it to a blockchain; has a confirmation...

This shit is completely fucked.


What is your tx ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8374716#msg8374716

Your tx never reached internet(not broadcated to darkcoin network).
Maybe your peer discarded the tx(if duble spend... then).

Code:
user@sv1:~> grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
user@sv1:~>

user@sv2:~> grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
user@sv2:~>

user@sv3:~> grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
user@sv3:~>

user@ssl-c01:~> grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
user@ssl-c01:~>


user@ssl-c02:~> grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
user@ssl-c02:~>


mainnet@ip-172-31-4-239:~$ grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
mainnet@ip-172-31-4-239:~$


nm01@ip-172-31-11-176:~$ grep a2a87 .darkcoin/debug.log
nm01@ip-172-31-11-176:~$


One of my debug.log
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-rw------- 1 e e 3.7G Aug 16 13:49 debug.log

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August 16, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
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Dont worry about offending people in this thread. This thread has been a joke for the past 3 months, anything of actual importance is posted on darkcointalk, or at least should be.
thats why i feel good posting whiny shit
dark needs a campaign ... noone really knows , including me, why dark should be superior to any other "anon" coin.
PLZ explain it to me. In a big sheet with pictures lol

altcoincasinogulagshoppingshow FUD is good, look @altcoin prices ...
pls fud me hard via pm
id appriciate that.
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August 16, 2014, 12:02:47 PM
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There is going to be a simple fix for fringe cases like camo's, it's just a matter of being methodical and finding it.

Nothing stresses people out like money, I'm happy I've spent most of my life without any.  Grin

The fixes always seem to be really simple once found but not obvious until somebody with a real understanding of the wallet takes a look.  Thats why I find it so frustrating that some people prefer to report their issues here when they could report them in both locations and actually get them fixed quickly.

Anyway, once again I apologise to anybody who I have offended.  My post was badly phrased and I did not want to offend anybody who is genuinely experiencing issues.  I just don't understand why somebody with coins/money at stake would rather post here without bothering to report it to the proper place too.

Its like coming into work to find your PC has a problem, posting your problem on Facebook and not bothering to ring your helpdesk.

No worries you seem to be the voice of reason around here atm. This forum is so active that it is a terrible place to get help. If folks really do want help, head over into irc or darkcointalk where help is more readily available and won't get buried under all the garbage, swearing and infighting so prevalent around here lately. Seriously this place is no fun anymore.

A rebound will lift spirits, and I think we are getting close to a crescendo of negative sentiment and selling to see some relief soon.
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August 16, 2014, 12:03:05 PM
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+1 Obvious liars are obvious

Any problems with Darkcoin should be reported here :  https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-issues-bugs-feature-requests.2039/

If confirmed, it will be added to the bug tracker and fixed for the next release.  The bugtracker is open for public viewing if you are interested.

Anybody bitching here about problems who aren't willing to make their claim on the official forum should be disregarded as FUD.
Eat shit cuntbucket.
You've just made my day.  Seriously.  What are you, twelve years old?

Glad you like to fix things.   Go report it on the official thread and you'll get help.
If that sort of thing makes your day, then go back and read your own garbage for an orgasm. Being a shitbag with fancy words is still being a shit bag. Pardon me for getting tot he damn point and not wasting tact on a douche. No, wait, don't pardon me, I don't need an excuse to call a spade a spade. This conversation is over.
Camo, what has happened to you? I don't remember you spreading so much negativity in the last months as you have in the last days.

I like most am getting tired of reading about your damn edge case problems. You are monopolizing this thread with your issues and cluttering it with negativity. Do us all a favor and go get the the help you need from darkcointalk and irc and report back here when you have something constructive for us.

You may think you are helping darkcoin but really you are doing great damage to confidence with your ongoing drama.
Well, if it were working I wouldn't have to... You basically just want me to shut up so it looks ok when it isn't?

I'm going to bed. You assholes can blow me.

I don't think that is what is being said -- people are saying that you may not find the help you need here. You right Evan may have some updates tomorrow, but likely if you stick to these forums your issues will never be solved.  If you don't want to sign up to those forums then at least open a direct dialog with Evan on irc or via mail.

I believe that you can also log bug reports directly on Jira without having to engage with IRC or the devs or even sign up to darkcointalk.

True.
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August 16, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
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Hey buddy, I don't know what your problem is but I told you I don't have an account on darkcointalk and I don't have the need or desire to create one.  Nobody has to conform to your way and where they post the issues they are having.  I have no interest in complying with your request.  You start calling people liars then you can go to hell.  I already posted all the sit in this thread but I'll do it again since you are obviously unable to read a couple pages back.  Did I just make your day too?  


My problem is that this thread is so busy that people's bugs/issues can be lost several pages back and that the only reliable way to get a problem fixed is to follow the formal approach to report a bug.

There have been some people posting lies on this thread recently, yes.  I did not say who and I certainly did not intend to imply that you were one of those people.  I have re-read my posts and apologised for my tone and for offending anybody.  

You really did make me laugh by saying "eat shit cuntbucket".  I wasn't being sarcastic.  I have a puerile sense of humour.

No your problem is that you don't want people to hear about these bugs with RC4.  Nobody but the cheerleaders go to darkcointalk, everyone else comes here.  You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore. People are going to update and have real money at stake.  Yet there isn't any official information or assistance being given out on this forum with the most traffic.  Go back to your utopia on darkcointalk and talk about how everything is great and working perfectly while the majority of people see whats actually going on.  The market knows what's going on that's for sure.  

I have had loads of problems with RC4 but they are all fixed now.   I think its safe to say that there are many people who have had problems.  10.12.31 is the first QT that has worked well for me on OSX and Windows.  
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August 16, 2014, 12:09:20 PM
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Hey buddy, I don't know what your problem is but I told you I don't have an account on darkcointalk and I don't have the need or desire to create one.  Nobody has to conform to your way and where they post the issues they are having.  I have no interest in complying with your request.  You start calling people liars then you can go to hell.  I already posted all the sit in this thread but I'll do it again since you are obviously unable to read a couple pages back.  Did I just make your day too?  


My problem is that this thread is so busy that people's bugs/issues can be lost several pages back and that the only reliable way to get a problem fixed is to follow the formal approach to report a bug.

There have been some people posting lies on this thread recently, yes.  I did not say who and I certainly did not intend to imply that you were one of those people.  I have re-read my posts and apologised for my tone and for offending anybody.  

You really did make me laugh by saying "eat shit cuntbucket".  I wasn't being sarcastic.  I have a puerile sense of humour.

No your problem is that you don't want people to hear about these bugs with RC4.  Nobody but the cheerleaders go to darkcointalk, everyone else comes here.  You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore. People are going to update and have real money at stake.  Yet there isn't any official information or assistance being given out on this forum with the most traffic.  Go back to your utopia on darkcointalk and talk about how everything is great and working perfectly while the majority of people see whats actually going on.  The market knows what's going on that's for sure.  

The problems are expected and being dealt with. What planet are you living on.


What planet do you think?

I never said that the problems weren't being addressed.  I said you guys are trying to sweep everything under the rug and hide it from people.  What else to you call trying to get people to not post bug issues on this forum?  The forum that gets the most views.  That one clown even came out and basically said it doesn't look good and wants to hide everything so he's almost begging people to only post on darkcointalk where nobody goes.    
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August 16, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
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Hey buddy, I don't know what your problem is but I told you I don't have an account on darkcointalk and I don't have the need or desire to create one.  Nobody has to conform to your way and where they post the issues they are having.  I have no interest in complying with your request.  You start calling people liars then you can go to hell.  I already posted all the sit in this thread but I'll do it again since you are obviously unable to read a couple pages back.  Did I just make your day too?  


My problem is that this thread is so busy that people's bugs/issues can be lost several pages back and that the only reliable way to get a problem fixed is to follow the formal approach to report a bug.

There have been some people posting lies on this thread recently, yes.  I did not say who and I certainly did not intend to imply that you were one of those people.  I have re-read my posts and apologised for my tone and for offending anybody.  

You really did make me laugh by saying "eat shit cuntbucket".  I wasn't being sarcastic.  I have a puerile sense of humour.

No your problem is that you don't want people to hear about these bugs with RC4.  Nobody but the cheerleaders go to darkcointalk, everyone else comes here.  You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore. People are going to update and have real money at stake.  Yet there isn't any official information or assistance being given out on this forum with the most traffic.  Go back to your utopia on darkcointalk and talk about how everything is great and working perfectly while the majority of people see whats actually going on.  The market knows what's going on that's for sure.  

Damn shoj, just when my opinion of you was improving and I read some actual insightful comments from you lately. Relax! Coins are not getting eaten, yes there are some bugs, but besides you and camosoul and maybe 1-2 others things seem to be working fine.
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Here is the version I'm on  v0.10.12.29-gf7b7e35-beta

I typed Darksend auto and this is what showed up in the debug log file:  

2014-08-15 17:17:03 DoAutomaticDenominating : No funds detected in need of denominating (2)


Same here..

OK, it's working now.. Win7 x64, 0.10.12.31, 1 round



I just set the "Amount of Darkcoin to keep anonymized" over the "Total Balance"
I'll test with higher number of rounds and let you know..


EDIT: Funny.. setting rounds from 1 to 4 made my anonymized amount disappear.. and the game starts again Wink

4 rounds done. Everything seems OK!
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time to buy cheap darks!!!
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I think @camosoul's computing enviromnet is best place to check everything is OK with RC4.

- Linux
- Encrypted HDD
- Tor
- VPN

1) reported corrupted wallet : resolved
2) reported tx/denom problem :
    - some tx never reached/broadcasted
    - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg8339748#msg8339748
      We learn "client was either splitting up large inputs or creating fee sized inputs"
 
      * fee sized inputs


I want check his debug.log.

What's going on with @camosoul's network ?
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Hey buddy, I don't know what your problem is but I told you I don't have an account on darkcointalk and I don't have the need or desire to create one.  Nobody has to conform to your way and where they post the issues they are having.  I have no interest in complying with your request.  You start calling people liars then you can go to hell.  I already posted all the sit in this thread but I'll do it again since you are obviously unable to read a couple pages back.  Did I just make your day too?  


My problem is that this thread is so busy that people's bugs/issues can be lost several pages back and that the only reliable way to get a problem fixed is to follow the formal approach to report a bug.

There have been some people posting lies on this thread recently, yes.  I did not say who and I certainly did not intend to imply that you were one of those people.  I have re-read my posts and apologised for my tone and for offending anybody.  

You really did make me laugh by saying "eat shit cuntbucket".  I wasn't being sarcastic.  I have a puerile sense of humour.

No your problem is that you don't want people to hear about these bugs with RC4.  Nobody but the cheerleaders go to darkcointalk, everyone else comes here.  You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore. People are going to update and have real money at stake.  Yet there isn't any official information or assistance being given out on this forum with the most traffic.  Go back to your utopia on darkcointalk and talk about how everything is great and working perfectly while the majority of people see whats actually going on.  The market knows what's going on that's for sure.  

The problems are expected and being dealt with. What planet are you living on.


What planet do you think?

I never said that the problems weren't being addressed.  I said you guys are trying to sweep everything under the rug and hide it from people.  What else to you call trying to get people to not post bug issues on this forum?  The forum that gets the most views.  That one clown even came out and basically said it doesn't look good and wants to hide everything so he's almost begging people to only post on darkcointalk where nobody goes.    

"You guys want to paint a picture of a perfect RC4 rollout.  Well it doesn't exist.  There are problems and the fact that they are random and occur on different platforms makes them even more problematic.  Who know what else is waiting to happen and when.  This isn't testnet anymore."

You were talking like everyone was trying to cover up problems, no they aren't, they are just trying their best to help people who are acting like 10 year olds when a bug comes up. No one is trying to say RC4 is perfect, its getting there, as expected. Theres no shame in bugs being investigated and fixed. I agree, the people acting like there is shame in that, should stop worrying so much.
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