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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9723467 times)
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August 21, 2014, 07:51:29 PM
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I think pricing per MB/GB makes more sense, but hey you could have it both ways, or impose caps, all priced up and selectable in-wallet.

Prices in that poll are on the high side IMO...  

(10 cents / 0.0275 DRK (current exchange) * 1000000 daily users) / 1000 MNs = still 27.5DRK or ~$100 per day.

There is absolutely going to have to be a minumum MN spec (bandwidth!) for this though. And it's going to be near impossible to enforce that, so some mechanism for booting shitty underspecced VPS's off the network would need to exist.

To be honest....I've been thinking about the pricing all day and I came to the conclusion that Web 3.0 is the way to go, and for free.

This survey backs up my thinking. People won't pay.

So.

I came up with plan B. I think Plan B has the potential to make every single Master Node worth $5m - $10m

You'll have to wait and see........Just think about Web 3.0 for a while and it will come to you. What's more, every single person in the world will use it.

Governments will welcome it.
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August 21, 2014, 07:54:42 PM
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Why we are talking/thinking in US $ instead DRK Grin

By the way.. MasterNode > MasterNet

Hah, blindingly obvious but we all missed it - well done! This should be it.  Smiley

I copied your sig idea earlier on BTW, hope you don't mind.
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August 21, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
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Will this be a service like a super strong vpn or will it be like tor where there will have to be .onion type sites and what not?
With the naming, step away from all dark and tor and deepweb related terms, make it out to be some new fresh thing.

+1 MasterNet

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August 21, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
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I think pricing per MB/GB makes more sense, but hey you could have it both ways, or impose caps, all priced up and selectable in-wallet.

Prices in that poll are on the high side IMO...  

(10 cents / 0.0275 DRK (current exchange) * 1000000 daily users) / 1000 MNs = still 27.5DRK or ~$100 per day.

There is absolutely going to have to be a minumum MN spec (bandwidth!) for this though. And it's going to be near impossible to enforce that, so some mechanism for booting shitty underspecced VPS's off the network would need to exist.

To be honest....I've been thinking about the pricing all day and I came to the conclusion that Web 3.0 is the way to go, and for free.

This survey backs up my thinking. People won't pay.

So.

I came up with plan B. I think Plan B has the potential to make every single Master Node worth $5m - $10m

You'll have to wait and see........Just think about Web 3.0 for a while and it will come to you. What's more, every single person in the world will use it.

Governments will welcome it.

You're talking about making the MasterNet an ISP?

edit: nope. You're talking about making the Masternet a whole new protocol? tcp - udp... mnp!
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August 21, 2014, 07:58:44 PM
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Why we are talking/thinking in US $ instead DRK Grin

By the way.. MasterNode > MasterNet

Hah, blindingly obvious but we all missed it - well done! This should be it.  Smiley

I copied your sig idea earlier on BTW, hope you don't mind.

No, of course not..  Wink
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August 21, 2014, 07:59:26 PM
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Why we are talking/thinking in US $ instead DRK Grin

By the way.. MasterNode > MasterNet

Hah, blindingly obvious but we all missed it - well done! This should be it.  Smiley

I copied your sig idea earlier on BTW, hope you don't mind.

I didn't miss it. Bloody cheek.

Its in the OP.
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August 21, 2014, 08:05:48 PM
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I like Iris too.  The DarkNet is almost exclusively for illegal purposes. Darkcoin is about privacy and civil liberties. So maybe we should just avoid "Dark" altogether.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750817.msg8473957#msg8473957

I think pricing per MB/GB makes more sense, but hey you could have it both ways, or impose caps, all priced up and selectable in-wallet.

Prices in that poll are on the high side IMO...  

(10 cents / 0.0275 DRK (current exchange) * 1000000 daily users) / 1000 MNs = still 27.5DRK or ~$100 per day.

There is absolutely going to have to be a minumum MN spec (bandwidth!) for this though. And it's going to be near impossible to enforce that, so some mechanism for booting shitty underspecced VPS's off the network would need to exist.

Well, if they have to pay for bandwidth, then it makes sense for the masternodes to get paid based on bandwidth provided, perhaps? There are plenty of considerations/caveats for this though.
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August 21, 2014, 08:08:04 PM
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I was thinking of perhaps an original metaphor for the same concept of encapsulation / encryption.

How about Russian dolls?

"Russian Doll" sounds like a cool codename.

Of course we could also have Dark Russian, Black Russian etc.
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August 21, 2014, 08:16:33 PM
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New York BitLicenses mainly intended for financial firms, not software....I take this to mean, not:

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For instance, he clarified that the law is intended to relate only to financial intermediaries and financial service providers, not software providers as widely interpreted.

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Specifically, Lawsky suggested that he was surprised that the digital currency industry’s software providers had implied that the law was meant to govern their actions.

Responding to this popular critique of the law, Lawsky told CoinDesk:

“We saw fairly quickly that certain provisions were being read by software developers as potentially applying to them, and that could stifle [their] development.”

http://www.coindesk.com/ben-lawsky-bitcoin-regulation/
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August 21, 2014, 08:18:00 PM
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RC5 and enforcement is way more interesting than naming a feature that may not ever happen and if it does, will take months to develop.
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August 21, 2014, 08:21:01 PM
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RC5 and enforcement is way more interesting than naming a feature that may not ever happen and if it does, will take months to develop.

Ok, so what do you have to say about RC5 and enforcement except for that its being worked on?

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August 21, 2014, 08:22:19 PM
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Just before heading to the gym, I came up with what I think could be the perfect name for the network. It must have a positive quality and it should have meaning and no dark in the name.
I thought about an ideal society or community that is near perfect and harmonious. We call such a society a utopian society.
Utopia comes from the 2 words "eu" and "topos" meaning "good place".
You can read more about Utopia on wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia
Why not use the word Utopia for the network?

What does the word Utopia contain?:

1) Very positive meaning
2) Speaks to the imagination of people
3) Positive word for now and the future

Picture this powerful line and you can also see that even the following sentence has a very positive meaning:

Utopia powered by Darkcoin

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August 21, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
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How about.....drum roll.......

F5

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August 21, 2014, 08:28:51 PM
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There is absolutely going to have to be a minumum MN spec (bandwidth!) for this though. And it's going to be near impossible to enforce that, so some mechanism for booting shitty underspecced VPS's off the network would need to exist.

Well, if they have to pay for bandwidth, then it makes sense for the masternodes to get paid based on bandwidth provided, perhaps? There are plenty of considerations/caveats for this though.

I would imagine it would be a very very hard task to design and implement such a system so that no one can cheat it. Maybe practically impossible?
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August 21, 2014, 08:32:45 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750817.msg8473957#msg8473957

The votes are between $0 - $0.50
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August 21, 2014, 08:45:17 PM
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putting zero was a stupid choice.

How much would you pay for gas? 4 dollars a gallon, 1 dollar again, 0 dollars gas is free...

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August 21, 2014, 08:45:32 PM
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This is all terribly exciting. Seeing all the ideas and suggestions flowing is great, but it's also like watching a room full of 1st year university marketing students jointly working on some sort of project their lecturer has set them.

I think before we get too carried away with all the hoopla about what this TOR-like thing is going to earn in DRK/$ for MN operators and what we'll call it, I'd like to get far more detail on how it will work. So far from Evan we have:

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Utilizing the Masternode network - DarkTor

    One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

    The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for distributing the payments evenly across the whole network.

    There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.

        Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
        Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
        Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
        Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.

- What I'd like to know is how will it be usable?
(By that I mean, will you need a special browser that connects to the MN network? Or will you just use your normal browser with it pointing at some sort of "DarkTor" proxy client installed on your system?)
- If you do use your current browser, what are the ramifications of that same browser then connecting to websites directly without going through DarkTor? (i.e. cookies, history, cache, etc)
- If you need to use a special browser, what are the development and maintenance ramifications of this?
- Will you be able to browse to any current website anonymously and will everything work like it currently does?
- Is it likely there will be websites that sit exclusively within the DarkTor network? What special advantages might they have? What would be a high level domain associated with this and what are the technical ramifications of this?
- What about bandwidth issues if the user wants to stream video, share desktops, etc?
- What about protocols other than HTTP(S)? Will we open it to all sorts of things or restrict it?

And with regards to the name, I have a few ideas too, but firstly:

- Who will use this service?
- What would we expect the demographic to be (which is important in terms of pricing)?
- Who is offering the service? (obviously, it's the collective MNs, but is that "DarkCoin")
- If it's "DarkCoin" offering the service, what are the risks to the value of DRK if the service is compromised?
- Is it likely we'll travel along unscathed or will DarkTor likely become a magnet for guv hackers everywhere to break or takedown?
- Will the risk we're exposing DRK to via this service be worth it?
- Will DarkTor (or whatever it will be called) being associated with DarkCoin impact the wider adoption and take-up of DRK as a payment option?

Can you see where I'm going with this? A whole lot more discussion is needed on what this is, how it meshes (DarkMesh?) into the rest of DarkCoin's plan and strategy and what the long term potential is. There needs to be a lot more clarity and then I think a name will be chosen that's likely to be more accurate for the service's ultimate goal. It's very easy to get all hyped up early on, pick a name that ultimately doesn't make sense (anyone remember Apple's Lisa?). Iris sounds good and all but when you look at the definition of iris (from wikipedia)...
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"The iris (plural: irides or irises) is a thin, circular structure in the eye, responsible for controlling the diameter and size of the pupil and thus the amount of light reaching the retina"
...that concept "the amount of light reaching the retina" isn't really a metaphor for what this service is about. We're not "restricting the amount of light reaching the retina" I would think, we're opening everything up but making the light invisible (DarkInvis perhaps?)

Anyway, some things to consider.

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August 21, 2014, 08:47:10 PM
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There is absolutely going to have to be a minumum MN spec (bandwidth!) for this though. And it's going to be near impossible to enforce that, so some mechanism for booting shitty underspecced VPS's off the network would need to exist.

Well, if they have to pay for bandwidth, then it makes sense for the masternodes to get paid based on bandwidth provided, perhaps? There are plenty of considerations/caveats for this though.

I would imagine it would be a very very hard task to design and implement such a system so that no one can cheat it. Maybe practically impossible?

First thought that springs to...  upon joining the MN network a new MN is 'benchmarked' and given a score, with work and rewards dished out accordingly. Would still need some min spec though. And some check to make sure the service was running on a bona-fide MN at all, depending on how integrated it ends up.

The existing system for voting/block reward payment needn't be affected.

It's certainly a challenging problem. Luckily we know a dev who likes a challenge.
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putting zero was a stupid choice.

How much would you pay for gas? 4 dollars a gallon, 1 dollar again, 0 dollars gas is free...


Not necessarily, it weeds out the negative nancies...
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August 21, 2014, 08:52:24 PM
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putting zero was a stupid choice.

How much would you pay for gas? 4 dollars a gallon, 1 dollar again, 0 dollars gas is free...


Not necessarily, it weeds out the negative nancies...

I don't think you can differentiate between people who selected nothing because they wont use the service and people who selected nothing because they are cheap bastards.


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