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[TanteStefana2]

If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.

I think tor blocks pictures and movies because those files are too big.  This protects them from such users, I believe.  What we're trying to do is open to the full content of the internet.  We can't police what people do.  If we do, we take the responsibility for anything they do manage to do.

Giving people the ability to block access for their private home and business as can be done now, is the only way.

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[r-ando]

If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.

What if it was voted on by the users of the system through a voting system built directly into the client?

 And to enforce the removal of an infraction, the removal must be proposed by a system user and also collectively voted on, if the vote chooses to remove it it should be automatically removed and the user who posted it should have a suspension of access for a period of time depending on prior suspension, this would stop any fake copyright similar issues from appearing too like has been happening on youtube.

[r-ando]

If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.

What if it was voted on by the users of the system through a voting system built directly into the client?

 And to enforce the removal of an infraction, the removal must be proposed by a system user and also collectively voted on, if the vote chooses to remove it it should be automatically removed and the user who posted it should have a suspension of access for a period of time depending on prior suspension, this would stop any fake copyright similar issues from appearing too like has been happening on youtube.

Playing a bit with novel ideas here... 

[Lauda]

BTW, how can the data of the internet be passed through 1000 masternodes without clogging things up?  Is that even remotely possible?  I'm not technical, so I'd appreciate any insight.  Thanks

As bandwidth (and CPU, and disk space) demand grows, MN ops are going to have to pay for much beefier servers. Which shouldn't be a problem, as revenues will grow accordingly.

As time moves by, better CPUs and more disk space will be more affordable. This is just how it goes.
Imagine how much an i5 CPU would have costed 5 years ago, or a 4TB HDD.
One shouldn't worry about masternodes here.

[Minotaur26]

Kristov was requesting testDRK about 3 hours ago, if someone could send him coins.

From twitter:

Seems teamer's #darkcoin testnet faucet is down at drkipn.com/test/faucet/. Need coin: mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk @DarkcoinCrypto

[coins101]

But lets be honest, there are more important things to be concentrated on... Adoption/Open Sourcing/built-in PGP messages for anon delivery.

+101

Nice.

Actually, this is a good time for ideation for the next stages of development, while we wait for - you know - RC5 .

Thrash out a few things and save a little time down the line.

I wasn't really thinking about a clean internet, I was thinking about cleaning up the existing internet and providing a place where adult stuff could be moved onto, and charge the little fuckers that produce that stuff - backed by pressure groups and governments to move to our MN service.

Mrs. Robinson, from memory Google started out with just 250 networked computers that were storing data. Now look at them, they are like SkyNet.

As everything moves to the cloud, servers, processing power and bandwidth are dropping in price as competition heats up.  Its a good time to get thousands of big fat MN servers all serving up your porn of choice, with those thousands and thousands of seedy little Hugh Henfer wannabes paying MNs for he privilege of servicing their clients needs.

[thelonecrouton]

The SafetyNet nodes wouldn't be able to see content. SafetyNet could make it known the content it blocks from the off. No need to comb the content.

How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless.

why not make the new internet pornography content free from the very beginning?

Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless.

I know censorship is terrible. I'm just thinking since pornography already has its place it would not be censured only channeled to a specific spot, the old internet. If porn was relegated to the old internet there would be no reason to have it on the new one because if people were really concerned about hiding what porno they watch they can buy a dvd or go through the original Tor on the old internet if they want to. This way no one can see what they are doing and if they are concerned about compromising their IP adresse with relation to pornography irrelevant of content they are surely into something wrong. (maybe politics  ) and what is the government going to do or say, they are watching some kind of porn? This would silence any claims of relation between anonymity on the web and child pornography once and for all. We need to eventually work to take that stick away from them might as well do it now.

This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue?

If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin?

If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.

What if it was voted on by the users of the system through a voting system built directly into the client?

 And to enforce the removal of an infraction, the removal must be proposed by a system user and also collectively voted on, if the vote chooses to remove it it should be automatically removed and the user who posted it should have a suspension of access for a period of time depending on prior suspension, this would stop any fake copyright similar issues from appearing too like has been happening on youtube.

What part of "what other people do is none of your business as long as it isn't harming you in any way" is not clear to you?  Also, see my previous comments about it being technically impossible anyway.

[thelonecrouton]

I wasn't really thinking about a clean internet, I was thinking about cleaning up the existing internet and providing a place where adult stuff could be moved onto, and charge the little fuckers that produce that stuff - backed by pressure groups and governments to move to our MN service.

Mrs. Robinson, from memory Google started out with just 250 networked computers that were storing data. Now look at them, they are like SkyNet.

As everything moves to the cloud, servers, processing power and bandwidth are dropping in price as competition heats up.  Its a good time to get thousands of big fat MN servers all serving up your porn of choice, with those thousands and thousands of seedy little Hugh Henfer wannabes paying MNs for he privilege of servicing their clients needs.

Sanity returns!  

[chaeplin]

Kristov was requesting testDRK about 3 hours ago, if someone could send him coins.

From twitter:

Seems teamer's #darkcoin testnet faucet is down at drkipn.com/test/faucet/. Need coin: mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk @DarkcoinCrypto

Code:

darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
279673a3b5f69132c6d532ec3fb7367c153e5b9d9bd1a030928dd748fd9ca928
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000 
67506c188a9681f2871c4122b14ba79452788d09fb8b503bc8213c32088d7882
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
cbc8697538c5ea7970c74d090f16f0ed1c4694fb28ea7b903d36d85db7b155aa
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
f464bd7c5f3b000a01f53cdf5848063bfe2bf9cce963e3dd8a92b1c2eb81c28f
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
cba03dd0c3b0ac22e4c92c51424d96748a977371d51d4da1e8b3124c56c28e3f
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
cb31026d5612fe98642c6438dafac5b3a80d47d1a1f605c4f2cb66a859329337
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
172efae98268f41413aa8382adca02ac099b2e2bb20523e7c9d696df46cc27d3
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
d2e6893bf7c3260ab01e876d027f9bd92f35fbea2a9df57c5e53fa09334a275f
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
aa7b9d772c23d48d1606cb683bdd0f704ff296df463fe8e530ee47e12100524e
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
908fda785ba9dc852b675da64fff82e304fc9a7953e3725a0120d8abfe5e204b
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
fd756b0101f16a7dbe23f49b45e31947155b7c9bd5bc0cf4a6ae915bbea498e3

I am testnet bank.

[Propulsion]

Kristov was requesting testDRK about 3 hours ago, if someone could send him coins.

From twitter:

Seems teamer's #darkcoin testnet faucet is down at drkipn.com/test/faucet/. Need coin: mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk @DarkcoinCrypto

Code:

darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
279673a3b5f69132c6d532ec3fb7367c153e5b9d9bd1a030928dd748fd9ca928
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000 
67506c188a9681f2871c4122b14ba79452788d09fb8b503bc8213c32088d7882
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
cbc8697538c5ea7970c74d090f16f0ed1c4694fb28ea7b903d36d85db7b155aa
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
f464bd7c5f3b000a01f53cdf5848063bfe2bf9cce963e3dd8a92b1c2eb81c28f
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
cba03dd0c3b0ac22e4c92c51424d96748a977371d51d4da1e8b3124c56c28e3f
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
cb31026d5612fe98642c6438dafac5b3a80d47d1a1f605c4f2cb66a859329337
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
172efae98268f41413aa8382adca02ac099b2e2bb20523e7c9d696df46cc27d3
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
d2e6893bf7c3260ab01e876d027f9bd92f35fbea2a9df57c5e53fa09334a275f
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk 10000
aa7b9d772c23d48d1606cb683bdd0f704ff296df463fe8e530ee47e12100524e
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
908fda785ba9dc852b675da64fff82e304fc9a7953e3725a0120d8abfe5e204b
darktest@sv1:~> darkcoind sendtoaddress mmfb6hxTdLT3gQGAEDr2g6Qug8ew2MwKoJ 10000
fd756b0101f16a7dbe23f49b45e31947155b7c9bd5bc0cf4a6ae915bbea498e3

I am testnet bank.

heh. 

[gekos]

Well isn't this interesting!

You know I've got the hots for a Web 3.0 - provided its distinguished from Darkcoin the currency.

Keeping young people safe from the wild parts of the internet will get such global support from families and governments (someone raised a valid point on how you would keep kids off).

But, and on that note.  

Drum roll, please.

SafetyNet (.SN)

Ta da!  

I just read a few posts up again about IRIS, and I read/saw ISIS.  Errrr, oops!  Maybe a problem?  I dunno. 

I like SafetyNet, that's cute!  It also is SUPER user/masses friendly.

Or Safenet?

[TanteStefana2]

Kristov was requesting testDRK about 3 hours ago, if someone could send him coins.

From twitter:

Seems teamer's #darkcoin testnet faucet is down at drkipn.com/test/faucet/. Need coin: mtobea1SsdewQgqm9JYqGevjk5ybTS1sVk @DarkcoinCrypto

Ok, I just sent some, but am 2 weeks behind, and syncing hope it goes soon....

[TanteStefana2]

Mrs. Robinson, from memory Google started out with just 250 networked computers that were storing data. Now look at them, they are like SkyNet.

As everything moves to the cloud, servers, processing power and bandwidth are dropping in price as competition heats up.  Its a good time to get thousands of big fat MN servers all serving up your porn of choice, with those thousands and thousands of seedy little Hugh Henfer wannabes paying MNs for he privilege of servicing their clients needs.

I guess you're telling me that's not a problem   LOL.  Ok, cool.  I can't wait to be in charge of a big beefy server (provided I can afford it, LOL)  It's going to be fun.  Just told my husband we may have to become an LLC or something to protect ourselves from the inevitable law suits, LOL.  That's one of the things the foundation should help us out with, I would think.

[aleix]

On a more positive note... Id like to organize a Darkcoin community get together in the up coming year.  what are the thoughts to the idea?  

Hawaii or Barcelona.

Bring the wine. 

We have a very active Bitcoin community in Barcelona  Some are Darkcoin supporters too: 

http://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-barcelona

I would love help fernando to organize a meeting

[coins101]

Mrs. Robinson, from memory Google started out with just 250 networked computers that were storing data. Now look at them, they are like SkyNet.

As everything moves to the cloud, servers, processing power and bandwidth are dropping in price as competition heats up.  Its a good time to get thousands of big fat MN servers all serving up your porn of choice, with those thousands and thousands of seedy little Hugh Henfer wannabes paying MNs for he privilege of servicing their clients needs.

I guess you're telling me that's not a problem  LOL.  Ok, cool.  I can't wait to be in charge of a big beefy server (provided I can afford it, LOL)  It's going to be fun.  Just told my husband we may have to become an LLC or something to protect ourselves from the inevitable law suits, LOL.  That's one of the things the foundation should help us out with, I would think.

This is a real world problem, with global implications and natural fit.

You would be providing a service to society. Whose gonna try to take you to court? Google for making them pay to crawl your MN and pay you to serve up their adWords?

Real world solutions to $100bn - $200bn problems like this mean you would be filthy stinking rich. You could afford a few servers.

But data businesses can be cash positive, you could get paid before your bills come in, like MN earning drk for mixing - lol.

Just one small problem - something like this doesn't (1) happen over night, and (2) no one is actually sure this is going to be requested as a feature that gets into production. lol.

Would be great though. Earning just $1 from 1 billion people each year would make this a $multi-billion cottage industry (yes, I can do math - still thinking investment value of 10-20 PE).

[tungfa]

One for the Labor Day Weekend ....>
 

[r-ando]

The SafetyNet nodes wouldn't be able to see content. SafetyNet could make it known the content it blocks from the off. No need to comb the content.

How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless.

why not make the new internet pornography content free from the very beginning?

Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless.

I know censorship is terrible. I'm just thinking since pornography already has its place it would not be censured only channeled to a specific spot, the old internet. If porn was relegated to the old internet there would be no reason to have it on the new one because if people were really concerned about hiding what porno they watch they can buy a dvd or go through the original Tor on the old internet if they want to. This way no one can see what they are doing and if they are concerned about compromising their IP adresse with relation to pornography irrelevant of content they are surely into something wrong. (maybe politics   ) and what is the government going to do or say, they are watching some kind of porn? This would silence any claims of relation between anonymity on the web and child pornography once and for all. We need to eventually work to take that stick away from them might as well do it now.

This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue?

If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin?

If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.

What if it was voted on by the users of the system through a voting system built directly into the client?

 And to enforce the removal of an infraction, the removal must be proposed by a system user and also collectively voted on, if the vote chooses to remove it it should be automatically removed and the user who posted it should have a suspension of access for a period of time depending on prior suspension, this would stop any fake copyright similar issues from appearing too like has been happening on youtube.

What part of "what other people do is none of your business as long as it isn't harming you in any way" is not clear to you?  Also, see my previous comments about it being technically impossible anyway.

Hi thelonecrouton,

I understand what you are saying. Some different perspectives here and that's awesome! By the way I'm a fan of your multisig efforts, thank you! I'll try to answer you best I can:

How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless. ---- Well if information is going to be shared it needs to be visible, its the access to it which will be safe right? What I'm mainly understanding right now is that whoever would use the safenet would have their personal data protected and also not be tracked online. Like Tor but better. People will see what is one it, but an individual's personal activity will be protected, basically a guarantee of an individuals rights of freedom. So I don't understand fully your comment ''or the whole thing is pointless''.  

Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless. ----- why? Here also, is the point supposed to be porn? So if it addresses all security and privacy issues and doesn't do porn its useless?  

This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue? ---- Here I have another question, is there more money in pornography or in all the other sectors of the world combined?

If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin? ---- I know what you are saying here too... However, ask yourself what are the two main things governemnets say about anonymity online? They say it helps hide terrorists and criminals like pedophiles. If we eliminate the pedophile angle their terrorist angle will be the only one left and it will be easier for us to win on one front than two. For the terrorism thing, I guess we will have to work on a world where people no longer want to do such things because their is no reason to. We can also point out how cash is no different in that case too....

well the pedophiles hurt the children thats the point there (the governments too), and it doesn't hurt anyone to not have regular porno on something that doesn't exist yet if they can already find it somewhere else and if that thing isn't meant for that... As for the technically impossible thats not my specialty, I'm just throwing some ideas out there for the community... I'm surprised you think pornography has such an important place in a safenet. Good discussion on these challenging ideas... 

[r-ando]

One for the Labor Day Weekend ....>
 

Lol no more face recognition?

[tungfa]

K Atlas (Blog) has a whole DRK section now !
Very nice ...>>
 

[RenegadeMan]

The SafetyNet nodes wouldn't be able to see content. SafetyNet could make it known the content it blocks from the off. No need to comb the content.

How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless.

why not make the new internet pornography content free from the very beginning?

Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless.

I know censorship is terrible. I'm just thinking since pornography already has its place it would not be censured only channeled to a specific spot, the old internet. If porn was relegated to the old internet there would be no reason to have it on the new one because if people were really concerned about hiding what porno they watch they can buy a dvd or go through the original Tor on the old internet if they want to. This way no one can see what they are doing and if they are concerned about compromising their IP adresse with relation to pornography irrelevant of content they are surely into something wrong. (maybe politics   ) and what is the government going to do or say, they are watching some kind of porn? This would silence any claims of relation between anonymity on the web and child pornography once and for all. We need to eventually work to take that stick away from them might as well do it now.

This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue?

If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin?

If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.

What if it was voted on by the users of the system through a voting system built directly into the client?

 And to enforce the removal of an infraction, the removal must be proposed by a system user and also collectively voted on, if the vote chooses to remove it it should be automatically removed and the user who posted it should have a suspension of access for a period of time depending on prior suspension, this would stop any fake copyright similar issues from appearing too like has been happening on youtube.

What part of "what other people do is none of your business as long as it isn't harming you in any way" is not clear to you?  Also, see my previous comments about it being technically impossible anyway.

Hi thelonecrouton,

I understand what you are saying. Some different perspectives here and that's awesome! By the way I'm a fan of your multisig efforts, thank you! I'll try to answer you best I can:

How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless. ---- Well if information is going to be shared it needs to be visible, its the access to it which will be safe right? What I'm mainly understanding right now is that whoever would use the safenet would have their personal data protected and also not be tracked online. Like Tor but better. People will see what is one it, but an individual's personal activity will be protected, basically a guarantee of an individuals rights of freedom. So I don't understand fully your comment ''or the whole thing is pointless''.  

Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless. ----- why? Here also, is the point supposed to be porn? So if it addresses all security and privacy issues and doesn't do porn its useless?  

This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue? ---- Here I have another question, is there more money in pornography or in all the other sectors of the world combined?

If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin? ---- I know what you are saying here too... However, ask yourself what are the two main things governemnets say about anonymity online? They say it helps hide terrorists and criminals like pedophiles. If we eliminate the pedophile angle their terrorist angle will be the only one left and it will be easier for us to win on one front than two. For the terrorism thing, I guess we will have to work on a world where people no longer want to do such things because their is no reason to. We can also point out how cash is no different in that case too....

well the pedophiles hurt the children thats the point there (the governments too), and it doesn't hurt anyone to not have regular porno on something that doesn't exist yet if they can already find it somewhere else and if that thing isn't meant for that... As for the technically impossible thats not my specialty, I'm just throwing some ideas out there for the community... I'm surprised you think pornography has such an important place in a safenet. Good discussion on these challenging ideas...  

Good grief r-ando the naivety you're demonstrating here is astounding. You're talking a language like pornography is a black and white concept that's as clearly identified as the difference between animal, mineral and vegetable. Before you even start thinking about the "Darktor" as a place that would be "free of pornography", hence would potentially avoid paedophiles wanting to use it you would have to enter the enormously complex sociological debate "What is pornography?"

I am as unenthused by the world's pornography epidemic as most thinking people are, but I also know that the very second you start making moral judgements on behalf of other people you have entered the realm of censorship and big-brother monitoring, THE VERY ESSENCE OF WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT AVOIDING!

The "Darktor" is about complete and absolute privacy without some central authority deciding what is and isn't good for us. Your judgement around "pornography" and it being "negative" has absolutely no place within what's trying to be achieved here.

If what you're stating would come to pass, who decides what's pornography? Are you going to put forward a complex categorisation process to determine what is and what isn't pornography? I think you're naive in the extreme and this is just a silly notion.