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[YourMother]

Wtf is wrong with Bitfinex ? I've deposited an X amount of BTC's in the trading account and i cannot purchase DRK at all. It tells me not enough balance on every order. Why do i have to read another book on how to use a dumb fucking exchange that already archived my life?

Make sure the BTC is in your "exchange" wallet, not the "trading" or "deposit" wallets. Click the "Manage Wallets" button on the right side and you can transfer between wallets if necessary.

Thanks! Solved the issue. I thought that i had to wait for another round of grandpa BTC confirmations. Everything was processed instantly.

[GhostPlayer]

Do you think there could be some interest in these?

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/flash-padlock-2-8gb-usb-flash-drive

I've bought several hundred of them (earlier versions) before through the same supplier and I wonder whether I'd be able to get a good bulk deal for Darkcoiners.

Stonehedge, please keep me posted on this--I'm interested.
FWIW; the reviews on Amazon site a security flaw if the unit gets submerged in water. Claims there is a work around but the link is deleted. Anyone know the link?

Wow, that it cool. I wonder if one could use this to contain a full bootable OS, or only punch in the code while powered by USB2/3... I guess I could invoke the BIOS boot menu while I punch in the code, but some BIOS dont have that menu.

anyway, how much does one of these puppies cost?

[stonehedge]

Do you think there could be some interest in these?

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/flash-padlock-2-8gb-usb-flash-drive

I've bought several hundred of them (earlier versions) before through the same supplier and I wonder whether I'd be able to get a good bulk deal for Darkcoiners.

Stonehedge, please keep me posted on this--I'm interested.
FWIW; the reviews on Amazon site a security flaw if the unit gets submerged in water. Claims there is a work around but the link is deleted. Anyone know the link?

Wow, that it cool. I wonder if one could use this to contain a full bootable OS, or only punch in the code wile powered by USB2/3...

anyway, how much does one of these puppies cost?

Due the the nature of their design, it isn't possible to boot from any external hardware encrypted drive be it a pen drive or a USB hard drive.

The ones with key codes cost about $50 retail and work on all Mac, Windows and Linux.

Its annoying because Blockmaster used to manufacture a device called a Safestick which you could get in 2GB sizes, it was compatible with Linux and Mac and only cost about £7 GBP each if you bought in bulk.  They discontinued them last year.

I'm doing a bit of research.  The Kensington hardware encrypted pen drives don't work on Linux.

I'm sent some emails to some suppliers that I know to see what they have access to.  It'd be great if I could get a batch of really simple FIPS2 or FIPS3 pen drives for cheap.

EDIT:  You've got me thinking about booting from encrypted pen drives.  You might be able to from the key pad ones.  I'll do some research.  You definitely can't from most varieties though.

[stonehedge]

This is the one that I'd like to get a batch of

http://www.datalocker.com/media/datasheets/datasheet_sentry_sept2012rev4.pdf

Simple and cheap.  Shame they don't make them anymore.

[GhostPlayer]

This is the one that I'd like to get a batch of

http://www.datalocker.com/media/datasheets/datasheet_sentry_sept2012rev4.pdf

Simple and cheap.  Shame they don't make them anymore.

That necessarily means that there is some software installed to interpret the drive.

 One thing is the pen drive not have an internal battery, so you can't punch in the code BEFORE POST... but should be ok after POST&before boot-up. I can deal with that. Press F12 to "hang the system", power-up the pen drive, insert code & boot from USB.

 But to not be able to access the info in the drive until the OS if fully booted... I don't really like that very much. In theory, one would only really need to provide energy to the pen drive to power up the circuit, so you can punch in the code and unlock it. Then it shouldn't really matter what is in it, and what/who reads it.

 If there is some "driver" involved in the process, that is a huge point of failure.

 If its true hardware encryption, it shouldnt matter if its a full OS or a word document in there.

[strix]

Strange how i worked like a slave in order to get my first masternode ( living in a shitty European country is no fun ) and after i got all my bitcoins, now i'm not that sure anymore. I love everything about DRK except the way it's being branded. Would love to see the coin stripped off its Dark title and be more centered around InstantX.

"Insert title" that performs super fast transactions and that can provide anonymity if necessary. - would sound so much better in my opinion. 1 Billion users on facebook already show you that they don't give a flying F about privacy. Most of the people that i've talked to, they are pretty skeptical when they hear about Bitcoin. I don't even have the courage to mention them about Darkcoin. You might as well call it "Illegal Coin", "BuyDrugsCoin" and many more. If there's anything that will stop this coin from reaching a large scale adoption, it would be the name and its already established negative meaning. It would also place InstantX into the shadow.

I have to agree... I'm currently setting up a new business and will be accepting Bitcoin, I was going to also accept Darkcoin until I thought about how it would look to my potential clients and decided not to accept it simply because of the name. I'm a massive supporter and investor of Darkcoin and everything is stands for and I understand the reason for Evan choosing the name, but if we want Darkcoin to gain mainstream adoption, the name must be changed.

If a massive supporter like myself won't accept Darkcoin because of the ramifications associated with it and how that would affect a normal business, then what chance does darkcoin have in going mainstream.

Stick with the Darkcoin name and is will be accepted by Dark markets, gambling and porn businesses.

Change the name and it will be accepted by everybody

I really can't see an upside in keeping the Darkcoin name.

You don't even need to worry about rebranding until Bitcoin starts getting "accepted by everybody". Fact of the matter, even with the name and the target niche of "Dark markets, gambling and porn businesses", that's billions in revenue for a coin that fills that. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't see DRK overtaking BTC but I see value (incredible value) in a coin that serves those niches. Besides, with AML and KYC laws, and the struggles BTC is already having, good luck selling Darkcoin to regulation.

With just the markets you seem to hold so negatively, I feel it's well worth being a part of, let alone investing in. But that's me...

I'm not arguing that market size of "Dark markets, gambling and porn businesses" isn't massive but as I understand Darkcoin's goal is to provide a better version of bitcoin that includes true transaction anonymity, instant transactions and better security for eveybody. With the Darkcoin name as it is people will only be able to use those features if they are purchasing from Dark markets, gambling and porn businesses! Is this what we want?

I personally would like everybody to have access to these features but the problem is merchants won't accept Darkcoin with the current name and branding. This leaves most people stuck with Bitcoin with it's slow speeds, low security and poor anonymity.

I don't believe this is what Evan wanted and let's face it, re-branding now would be pretty easy!

OzzieCoin is that you?

 

I must say I agree strongly that rebranding is important, and yes, now would be a good time; before it is more widely known. I also recognize that there is strong sentiment against the idea.

Simply consider something as ubiquitous and harmless(?) as "Black Friday." This past November it was reported that marketers in Egypt and other Arabic countries wanted in on the marketing craze, but refused to accept the term because Friday was a "holy" day and "Black" indicated evil. As a result they coined the phrase, and started the tradition of "White Friday," which apparently was a great success.

I hate to disappoint anybody, but DRK is not near as popular (yet;-) as Black Friday--If the need was seen to rebrand it, in order to gain market acceptance by 1/4 of the world's population--do we wish to alienate that same population (and others)?

I work in what could be called "international aid/development," and I see a critical role for something like DRK, but I can assure you that the major players in this field will be very reluctant to work with it, as the name now stands.

Many who know nothing of crypto-currencies would gladly get a wallet and send funds directly to someone like Malala Yousafzai, (the young girl who just won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the thousands like her. Do you really think she, or others like her would use something with the name Dark Coin? Whether you believe in a Devil or not, those who do, will refuse the association, and both they and the coin will suffer.

[stonehedge]

This is the one that I'd like to get a batch of

http://www.datalocker.com/media/datasheets/datasheet_sentry_sept2012rev4.pdf

Simple and cheap.  Shame they don't make them anymore.

That necessarily means that there is some software installed to interpret the drive.

 One thing is the pen drive not have an internal battery, so you can't punch in the code BEFORE POST... but should be ok after POST&before boot-up. I can deal with that. Press F12 to "hang the system", power-up the pen drive, insert code & boot from USB.

 But to not be able to access the info in the drive until the OS if fully booted... I don't really like that very much. In theory, one would only really need to provide energy to the pen drive to power up the circuit, so you can punch in the code and unlock it. Then it shouldn't really matter what is in it, and what/who reads it.

 If there is some "driver" involved in the process, that is a huge point of failure.

 If its true hardware encryption, it shouldnt matter if its a full OS or a word document in there.

I reckon your F12 plan would work if you wanted to boot from a keypad pendrive.

The Datalocker devices are secure until unlocked, at which point your pen drive is like any other pen drive plugged into a PC.  I have used them extensively with government clients in the past.  They are really more designed for preventing data loss if you are carrying sensitive documents on your pen drive and lose it.  They would also work well for wallet backups. They cannot be decrypted without the passphrase and the software element required to pass the passphrase to the encryption hardware is not an attack vector.  The safestick versions erased themselves if the incorrect code was entered 7 times.

[GhostPlayer]

I must say I agree strongly that rebranding is important, and yes, now would be a good time; before it is more widely known. I also recognize that there is strong sentiment against the idea.

Simply consider something as ubiquitous and harmless(?) as "Black Friday." This past November it was reported that marketers in Egypt and other Arabic countries wanted in on the marketing craze, but refused to accept the term because Friday was a "holy" day and "Black" indicated evil. As a result they coined the phrase, and started the tradition of "White Friday," which apparently was a great success.

I hate to disappoint anybody, but DRK is not near as popular (yet;-) as Black Friday--If the need was seen to rebrand it, in order to gain market acceptance by 1/4 of the world's population--do we wish to alienate that same population (and others)?

I work in what could be called "international aid/development," and I see a critical role for something like DRK, but I can assure you that the major players in this field will be very reluctant to work with it, as the name now stands.

Many who know nothing of crypto-currencies would gladly get a wallet and send funds directly to someone like Malala Yousafzai, (the young girl who just won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the thousands like her. Do you really think she, or others like her would use something with the name Dark Coin? Whether you believe in a Devil or not, those who do, will refuse the association, and both they and the coin will suffer.

I couldn't agree less.

In Egypt and other Arabic countries, sexual harassment to women could be described as a national sport. In more traditional families, they're not allowed to sit at the table with men, in others not until the man finished his meal. In other Arabic countries, female voting is not even allowed. In others, not even their faces may be shown, risking life penalty.

There is a tobacco company that markets cigarettes called "Death", and its a huge sales success.

Brands quickly looses their lexical meaning and adopt their own. Its called marketing. You can create a darknet market called "The Purest Most Blessed and Benign Non Criminal Market Ever Created" ... and it would be the laugh of the child porn community.

Its what you make of your product that defines you. Not the name.

[splawik21]

Wtf is wrong with Bitfinex ? I've deposited an X amount of BTC's in the trading account and i cannot purchase DRK at all. It tells me not enough balance on every order. Why do i have to read another book on how to use a dumb fucking exchange that already archived my life?

I had the same problem at the beggining
You need to transfer now you btc from trading to exchange wallet inside the bitfinex

[stonehedge]

Total Masternodes: 1598 = 1598 actives + 0 inactives (Last refresh: Fri Dec 19 2014 15:06:05)

[splawik21]

last block 30 min ago....

[stonehedge]

last block 30 min ago....

I wish I could say the same about my bitcoin solo mining efforts

[TanteStefana2]

Do you think there could be some interest in these?

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/flash-padlock-2-8gb-usb-flash-drive

I've bought several hundred of them (earlier versions) before through the same supplier and I wonder whether I'd be able to get a good bulk deal for Darkcoiners.

Stonehedge, please keep me posted on this--I'm interested.
FWIW; the reviews on Amazon site a security flaw if the unit gets submerged in water. Claims there is a work around but the link is deleted. Anyone know the link?

I didn't even know such a thing existed!  That's pretty cool!

[TanteStefana2]

I must say I agree strongly that rebranding is important, and yes, now would be a good time; before it is more widely known. I also recognize that there is strong sentiment against the idea.

Simply consider something as ubiquitous and harmless(?) as "Black Friday." This past November it was reported that marketers in Egypt and other Arabic countries wanted in on the marketing craze, but refused to accept the term because Friday was a "holy" day and "Black" indicated evil. As a result they coined the phrase, and started the tradition of "White Friday," which apparently was a great success.

I hate to disappoint anybody, but DRK is not near as popular (yet;-) as Black Friday--If the need was seen to rebrand it, in order to gain market acceptance by 1/4 of the world's population--do we wish to alienate that same population (and others)?

I work in what could be called "international aid/development," and I see a critical role for something like DRK, but I can assure you that the major players in this field will be very reluctant to work with it, as the name now stands.

Many who know nothing of crypto-currencies would gladly get a wallet and send funds directly to someone like Malala Yousafzai, (the young girl who just won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the thousands like her. Do you really think she, or others like her would use something with the name Dark Coin? Whether you believe in a Devil or not, those who do, will refuse the association, and both they and the coin will suffer.

If we had to rebrand, could we just go with DuffCoin?  It's still a D so we can keep the logo, and it's harmless.  I don't really want to but this arguing constantly is getting to be too much!

[oblox]

I must say I agree strongly that rebranding is important, and yes, now would be a good time; before it is more widely known. I also recognize that there is strong sentiment against the idea.

Simply consider something as ubiquitous and harmless(?) as "Black Friday." This past November it was reported that marketers in Egypt and other Arabic countries wanted in on the marketing craze, but refused to accept the term because Friday was a "holy" day and "Black" indicated evil. As a result they coined the phrase, and started the tradition of "White Friday," which apparently was a great success.

I hate to disappoint anybody, but DRK is not near as popular (yet;-) as Black Friday--If the need was seen to rebrand it, in order to gain market acceptance by 1/4 of the world's population--do we wish to alienate that same population (and others)?

I work in what could be called "international aid/development," and I see a critical role for something like DRK, but I can assure you that the major players in this field will be very reluctant to work with it, as the name now stands.

Many who know nothing of crypto-currencies would gladly get a wallet and send funds directly to someone like Malala Yousafzai, (the young girl who just won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the thousands like her. Do you really think she, or others like her would use something with the name Dark Coin? Whether you believe in a Devil or not, those who do, will refuse the association, and both they and the coin will suffer.

If we had to rebrand, could we just go with DuffCoin?  It's still a D so we can keep the logo, and it's harmless.

I'd be a fan of:

Dash - Digital cash mashed together (unfortunately, there is a cryptonote coin named Dashcoin. I'd drop the coin part personally). Further, Dash implies fast (hello instantx)
Dinera

I think the D is crucial and allows the same font type and logo that has been used thus far to remain. Dash I think would be very fitting. "Do you happen to accept Dash"? "Dash accepted here"

Having said that, there is no arguing the exposure Darkcoin already has but it's a balancing act moving forward. We are young enough that it could be viable to rebrand, at the same time, we are already "established" by crypto age. I'm in the camp that it will be very hard for global adoption at a merchant level with businesses having to comply with AML/KYC rules on a privacy-centric coin. BTC is already struggling with that and it is only pseudoanonymous.

[stonehedge]

Do you think there could be some interest in these?

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/flash-padlock-2-8gb-usb-flash-drive

I've bought several hundred of them (earlier versions) before through the same supplier and I wonder whether I'd be able to get a good bulk deal for Darkcoiners.

Stonehedge, please keep me posted on this--I'm interested.
FWIW; the reviews on Amazon site a security flaw if the unit gets submerged in water. Claims there is a work around but the link is deleted. Anyone know the link?

I didn't even know such a thing existed!  That's pretty cool!

I personally prefer the non keypad ones (especially as there is a rumour about the submersion vulnerability!)

You can also get drive caddies that have encryption hardware on board so it will encrypt any 2.5" drive you insert and only allow access if you tap in the correct passcode.

I'm just waiting on a quote for 100 of the Blockmaster devices.  

Remember though, these are secure backup devices and not for long term storage!  Its not funny when you realise that the only copy of a document you need is on a safestick and you can't remember the password and you only have 6 attempts left until it erases itself...

[Lukas_Jackson]

This is the one that I'd like to get a batch of

http://www.datalocker.com/media/datasheets/datasheet_sentry_sept2012rev4.pdf

Simple and cheap.  Shame they don't make them anymore.

Did you check these simple and cheap http://www.integralmemory.com/product-categories/encrypted-usb-drives

[strix]

I must say I agree strongly that rebranding is important, and yes, now would be a good time; before it is more widely known. I also recognize that there is strong sentiment against the idea.

Simply consider something as ubiquitous and harmless(?) as "Black Friday." This past November it was reported that marketers in Egypt and other Arabic countries wanted in on the marketing craze, but refused to accept the term because Friday was a "holy" day and "Black" indicated evil. As a result they coined the phrase, and started the tradition of "White Friday," which apparently was a great success.

I hate to disappoint anybody, but DRK is not near as popular (yet;-) as Black Friday--If the need was seen to rebrand it, in order to gain market acceptance by 1/4 of the world's population--do we wish to alienate that same population (and others)?

I work in what could be called "international aid/development," and I see a critical role for something like DRK, but I can assure you that the major players in this field will be very reluctant to work with it, as the name now stands.

Many who know nothing of crypto-currencies would gladly get a wallet and send funds directly to someone like Malala Yousafzai, (the young girl who just won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the thousands like her. Do you really think she, or others like her would use something with the name Dark Coin? Whether you believe in a Devil or not, those who do, will refuse the association, and both they and the coin will suffer.

I couldn't agree less.

In Egypt and other Arabic countries, sexual harassment to women could be described as a national sport. In more traditional families, they're not allowed to sit at the table with men, in others not until the man finished his meal. In other Arabic countries, female voting is not even allowed. In others, not even their faces may be shown, risking life penalty.

There is a tobacco company that markets cigarettes called "Death", and its a huge sales success.

Brands quickly looses their lexical meaning and adopt their own. Its called marketing. You can create a darknet market called "The Purest Most Blessed and Benign Non Criminal Market Ever Created" ... and it would be the laugh of the child porn community.

Its what you make of your product that defines you. Not the name.

Your last statement is absolutely true (as is your first no doubt ) but I think misses the point. I am what I am regardless of the name I go by, or what others call me. Where marketing is concerned the goal is rarely truth--but it is always perception. That a cigarette named "Death" finds great success should come as no surprise. New smokers are usually aware of its dangers, and starting is usually an act of independence/defiance of authority figures in their lives. Smoking "Death" only reinforces the image they have of themselves. It is highly unlikely that a cigarette named "Pretty and Pink" would receive significant adoption. Even "Virginia Slims" was targeting a niche market that liked the idea of being "slim."

Back to the subject of Islamic countries; every culture has idealists/revolutionaries willing to die for their ideals. For women in the situations you mention, showing their face is not a core ideal being fought for, so they will not risk their life by doing it. Education is, and many have paid with their lives by pursuing it. Education takes funding, and while these women will not risk taking funds that can be linked to "The Great Satan," they will gladly receive and use funds that they feel are unable to be traced to such sources. Sadly, they nor many of their potential funders in Muslim and evangelical Christian groups in the West, will adopt a coin seen as primarily identified with dark/evil forces.

I note that you did not include the original posts by Dazbarlby and YourMother. They represent simple business men who are making choices based on market perception. They both understand, and like what DRK can do, but are not using it due to something which is easily changed. I submit that they represent the mere "tip of the iceberg," and they have not alluded to any "moral" compunction on their part at all.

In today's morally relativistic western society, it is easy to forget how recent and limited this perspective is, in both time and space. It is also easy to forget how deep the pockets are, of those who still hold such outmoded views. You can go on marketing "Death" and make some money at it, but if you want to change the world you would do better marketing a product that both delivers, and bears the name, Freedom!

[strix]

If we had to rebrand, could we just go with DuffCoin?  It's still a D so we can keep the logo, and it's harmless.

I'd be a fan of:

Dash - Digital cash mashed together (unfortunately, there is a cryptonote coin named Dashcoin. I'd drop the coin part personally). Further, Dash implies fast (hello instantx)
Dinera

I think the D is crucial and allows the same font type and logo that has been used thus far to remain. Dash I think would be very fitting. "Do you happen to accept Dash"? "Dash accepted here"

Having said that, there is no arguing the exposure Darkcoin already has but it's a balancing act moving forward. We are young enough that it could be viable to rebrand, at the same time, we are already "established" by crypto age. I'm in the camp that it will be very hard for global adoption at a merchant level with businesses having to comply with AML/KYC rules on a privacy-centric coin. BTC is already struggling with that and it is only pseudoanonymous.

I would vote for either of these (though I prefer Dash). I think preserving the D logo, and even the DRK designation would be good.

Tante, I hope I am not perceived as arguing. I have been careful not to bring this up on my own, and try only to respectfully voice my opinion when others bring the subject up. Your wisdom and caring heart are appreciated.  

Edit: Oblox, I think the KYC rules etc apply primarily to banks, but no doubt you are correct that any truly anonymous system will be a tough sell. But there is a huge underground economy (think Craig's list/garage sales, not Silk road) that would be thrilled to use something like DRK.

[stonehedge]

This is the one that I'd like to get a batch of

http://www.datalocker.com/media/datasheets/datasheet_sentry_sept2012rev4.pdf

Simple and cheap.  Shame they don't make them anymore.

Did you check these simple and cheap http://www.integralmemory.com/product-categories/encrypted-usb-drives

Good spot!  I'll have a chat with integral.

I just got a really useless quote back from one of my suppliers.  £1 off per unit if I buy 100.