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March 23, 2014, 11:52:38 AM
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We have talked lots of about HALVING THE COIN


so lets take a final vote on this~

YES OR NO!

DO WE HALVE POTCOIN !!!???

i will make an official announcement after this vote

NO
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March 23, 2014, 12:12:39 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof

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March 23, 2014, 12:46:05 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics

asics:
Ok give me your 3000. It'll be a preorder, I'll deliver in April. Oh wait, delays. May. Oh wait, more delays. June now. Ok last delay, here you go, your brand new ASIC in July! Btw we were doing extensive "testing" on these ASICs for the past few months, aka mining for ourselves with them until they were no longer profitable due to other ASICs spiking the difficulty.
Enjoy your brand "new", now unprofitable ASIC!
Long story short: ASIC companies are nothing like legitamite GPU companies. They've done things like this in the past, they'll do it again. They are literally probably doing it right now with the 23 GH/s whale on wafflepool.

ELI5: Cuckoo Cycle makes mining easier for a regular user, and levels the playing field against GPU farms. The way it does it is by making the miner access many times to memory, instead of doing many calculations with the memory. GPUs and ASICs don't have much advantage against a regular CPU on this because RAM speed is the same for everyone.


ELI5 cuckoo cycle POW

There has never been a coin with a memory-hard POW like Cuckoo Cycle. Malware that collapses the RAM usage of the host would be very noticeable: 1 GB - 2 GB of RAM plus very high mem IO activity. The host computer would be mostly unusable, and it would leave an easily identifiable footprint for antivirus software. In addition, something to consider: if it were really that easy to get millions of computers in a botnet, how do cryptocurrencies survive? If you had almost infinite free cycles you could perform a 51% attack in any coin.

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Hi. I'm the author of Cuckoo Cycle. Here's some of my thoughts on how it relates to ASICs and GPUs, and some thoughts on how to introduce this.
An ASIC for something like cuckoo728 (graph size 7x2{28} ), which requires 7GB for a single instance, could not be self contained. It would be like a vastly simplified CPU with perhaps 1024 cores, that runs 32 instances of cuckoo728 at once, each one running with 32 threads. It would have to be connected to 32x7GB, or nearly 256GB of memory, which would totally dominate the price. Intel is already planning to introduce cpus with hundreds of cores, so such an ASIC would not offer enough performance advantage to justify its development cost. I think this is as ASIC proof as a PoW can get.
Similarly, no current GPU card has enough memory to run cuckoo728, and future ones with twice the memory of the current max (6GB) would only be able to run a single instance (the algorithm doesn't allow a time-memory trade-of). Even that may not be competitive with a CPU, which has much better memory latencies. The vastly superior memory bandwidth of a GPU is wasted on Cuckoo Cycle, which makes completely random accesses. Another problem with GPUs is that they cannot deal well with data dependent code flow, which features prominently in Cuckoo Cycle. I think this is about as GPU unfriendly as you can get.
The problem with introducing Cuckoo Cycle in an established coin like doge is that is would be quite disruptive. The block header would grow significantly, since a Cuckoo Cycle proof takes 4x42 = 168 bytes. You can bring that down to 4x20 = 80 bytes by choosing a smaller cycle length, but it gives up some algorithmic hardness.
Perhaps the best way to introduce this is Myriad-coin style. First you adopt the ability to accept different PoWs, each with their own difficulty target. Perhaps you initially allow only scrypt with N=2048 as an alternative PoW. Once you have that working smoothly, you could add Cuckoo Cycle as a third PoW into the mix. Eventually, you could phase out plain scrypt by artificially boosting its difficulty.
Even this approach should not be attempted without extensive testing on a testnet and a healthy dose of developer spare-time.
http://en-us.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/210y4a/how_to_stop_asics_and_multipools_xpost_github/
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March 23, 2014, 01:06:06 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics


We should not be trying to stop asics...Network hash power is what secures our network and what guarantees profits for the miners. We can't have massive GPU farms everywhere sucking down millions of watts of energy. That's not a stable network, its an inefficient and obsolete network.

The harder you work to stop asics the harder others will work to make them hash your coin. Just let it happen like Bitcoin has done. We will be better for it.

"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"  -Albert Einstein
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March 23, 2014, 01:43:25 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics


We should not be trying to stop asics...Network hash power is what secures our network and what guarantees profits for the miners. We can't have massive GPU farms everywhere sucking down millions of watts of energy. That's not a stable network, its an inefficient and obsolete network.

The harder you work to stop asics the harder others will work to make them hash your coin. Just let it happen like Bitcoin has done. We will be better for it.

which is why Cuckoo Cycle would be good for pot, it would stop gpu farms and asics
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March 23, 2014, 01:51:22 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics


We should not be trying to stop asics...Network hash power is what secures our network and what guarantees profits for the miners. We can't have massive GPU farms everywhere sucking down millions of watts of energy. That's not a stable network, its an inefficient and obsolete network.

The harder you work to stop asics the harder others will work to make them hash your coin. Just let it happen like Bitcoin has done. We will be better for it.

which is why Cuckoo Cycle would be good for pot, it would stop gpu farms and asics

What you are proposing will just shift the costs. People will spend money on cpu's and memory instead of gpus and asics. It does not fix anything. We should be trying to find the best, most efficient form of hardware to support our network. 7 GB of memory for ONE instance of this Cuckoo Cycle to run? That is such a waste.

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March 23, 2014, 02:04:16 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics


We should not be trying to stop asics...Network hash power is what secures our network and what guarantees profits for the miners. We can't have massive GPU farms everywhere sucking down millions of watts of energy. That's not a stable network, its an inefficient and obsolete network.

The harder you work to stop asics the harder others will work to make them hash your coin. Just let it happen like Bitcoin has done. We will be better for it.

aceoyame
Well we have a pretty good idea already courtesy of the gridseed chips and the new ones that are being "tested" on wafflepool. Difficulty is increasing and price is dropping. Anyone who says "ASIC's increase the price!" is a fucking idiot in my book.
Just because the price went up when ASIC's came out doesn't mean the ASIC's are what did so. If that were true we'd still be over 1000 USD/BTC and climbing. It was just coincidence.
All ASIC's do is take mining away from the average guy and put it in the hands of a few parties. As well as making money hand over fist for the ASIC suppliers from "testing" and then delaying your expensive product.
For proof of how much ASIC's de-centeralize mining..... CEX.io anyone
http://en-us.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2152du/asicsclearing_the_misconceptions/
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March 23, 2014, 02:06:40 PM
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Please don't halve the coin. Keep it this way. We should be focused on creating more service for the coin instead of artificial market price.
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March 23, 2014, 02:12:44 PM
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March 23, 2014, 02:21:30 PM
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Is it possible to change Potcoin to Scrypt-N?
If yes, that would be my suggestion for a re-design.
I think what happened to Bitcoin in regard to ASICs won't happen to Scrypt coins that way.
I think Scrypt will be abandoned for PoW, if only ASIC owners could mine them.
For most of the Scrypt coins there is no real market and the inflation will kill them.

I'm all for GPU mining.
Look whats happening to VTC.

I think it is most important to build a mostly independent transfer cycle.
Big growers, vendors, merchants could spin off their own mines and sell the coins to the folk thru outlets.
The more it decouples from Bitcoin, the better. Make it a currency on its own.

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March 23, 2014, 02:24:59 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics


We should not be trying to stop asics...Network hash power is what secures our network and what guarantees profits for the miners. We can't have massive GPU farms everywhere sucking down millions of watts of energy. That's not a stable network, its an inefficient and obsolete network.

The harder you work to stop asics the harder others will work to make them hash your coin. Just let it happen like Bitcoin has done. We will be better for it.

Asics are going to decentralize mining and put it in the power of corporations. We need to change the algo from scrypt to an asic resistant algorithm like x11
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March 23, 2014, 02:26:22 PM
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Is it possible to change Potcoin to Scrypt-N?
If yes, that would be my suggestion for a re-design.
I think what happened to Bitcoin in regard to ASICs won't happen to Scrypt coins that way.
I think Scrypt will be abandoned for PoW, if only ASIC owners could mine them.
For most of the Scrypt coins there is no real market and the inflation will kill them.

I'm all for GPU mining.
Look whats happening to VTC.

I think it is most important to build a mostly independent transfer cycle.
Big growers, vendors, merchants could spin off their own mines and sell the coins to the folk thru outlets.
The more it decouples from Bitcoin, the better. Make it a currency on its own.

Scrypt N is total crap GPU killer and uneconomical. X11 is superior. 50% less energy consumption and heat, 11 hashing algorithms for super secure hashing and asic resistant if not proof.
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March 23, 2014, 02:35:15 PM
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Is it possible to change Potcoin to Scrypt-N?
If yes, that would be my suggestion for a re-design.
I think what happened to Bitcoin in regard to ASICs won't happen to Scrypt coins that way.
I think Scrypt will be abandoned for PoW, if only ASIC owners could mine them.
For most of the Scrypt coins there is no real market and the inflation will kill them.

I'm all for GPU mining.
Look whats happening to VTC.

I think it is most important to build a mostly independent transfer cycle.
Big growers, vendors, merchants could spin off their own mines and sell the coins to the folk thru outlets.
The more it decouples from Bitcoin, the better. Make it a currency on its own.

Scrypt N is total crap GPU killer and uneconomical. X11 is superior. 50% less energy consumption and heat, 11 hashing algorithms for super secure hashing and asic resistant if not proof.

can you provide some info/a link to x11?

Multipools are really squashing the price. When we went #2 on coinmarketcap, we got listed on criptsy, and tons of dumps happened due to multipools which are gpu run. Also there are some multipools that scrypt-N also now and it can be rented from leasing rig providers.
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March 23, 2014, 02:53:39 PM
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asics are here folks, here is what we are trying to solve really, this problem
http://wafflepool.com/miner/14t8yB3PDGfZT3VppxMY4J9xiBaXUcZvKp
user Hash Rate: 17.38 GH/s (15min approximated)

We all knew asics were coming. Only fools thought scrypt was actually asic proof
Scrypt was the choice because it was ASIC free. Minor changes can keep it that way.
could maybe change the N value as it is hardcoded in most scrypt asics


We should not be trying to stop asics...Network hash power is what secures our network and what guarantees profits for the miners. We can't have massive GPU farms everywhere sucking down millions of watts of energy. That's not a stable network, its an inefficient and obsolete network.

The harder you work to stop asics the harder others will work to make them hash your coin. Just let it happen like Bitcoin has done. We will be better for it.

which is why Cuckoo Cycle would be good for pot, it would stop gpu farms and asics

What you are proposing will just shift the costs. People will spend money on cpu's and memory instead of gpus and asics. It does not fix anything. We should be trying to find the best, most efficient form of hardware to support our network. 7 GB of memory for ONE instance of this Cuckoo Cycle to run? That is such a waste.

It would require people to have 1 pc/person as I don't think its possible to have more than one cpu mining on a pc if the requirements are what they are. It would also shut off most botnets as the pc would become almost unusable for a person under control of a botnet to not be able to notice and av would detect strange behavior also.
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March 23, 2014, 03:48:43 PM
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March 23, 2014, 04:57:02 PM
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March 23, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
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I need to sell some of my POT for USD to pay some bills. I have a little over 200k POT for sale. Google wallet preferred because it's instant and I need the money pretty quickly. Will sell for slightly under exchange rate. PM please thanks
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March 23, 2014, 11:22:53 PM
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Hi all,

I just wanted to remind the community about our pool: http://pot.leetpools.com

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PS Great work thus far for POT! Lets keep this train rolling Cheesy
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Hi all,

I just wanted to remind the community about our pool: http://pot.leetpools.com

We have had some very dedicated miners in our pool for a long time, and we have a great community behind our pool. We are also going to be running a promotion for our miners soon and we will make the announcement on this thread.

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