Bitcoin Miners

[Easy2Mine]

As Sushi is Chinese and it is currently holidays there you may find some delay in response

Sushi is from the Phillipines

[augustocroppo]

... and also they (and I) we're involved in finding out the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com....

No, neither you or their were involved in finding out the connection with the domain butterflyiabs.com. You are just providing false information in a pathetic attempt to look like you and the brothers deserve some credit (which you do not).

 

[studio1one]

As Sushi is Chinese and it is currently holidays there you may find some delay in response

Sushi is from the Phillipines

Ah, my mistake. Just shows you what assumptions do

[kendog77]

Sushi runs Antminer group buys, so if the scammers did buy Antminers with the stolen funds, sushi will have a name and shipping address for the order.

Here is a link to the latest group buy. You can also try to contact his assistant cxboyminer.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=425113.0

Sushi also runs the website below:
http://sushi-review.com

Basically, you need to get the transaction id or bitcoin address that was used for the sushi group buy purchase, and he maybe able to help you out.

[Gamer67]

Finding out about Sushi & The Observer would have taken minimal research. There is a real Keystone cops approach to this 'investigation'.

[Phoenix1969]

Finding out about Sushi & The Observer would have taken minimal research. There is a real Keystone cops approach to this 'investigation'.

I pm'd observer hours ago asking for the transaction # so we might be able to get that shipping address..., still waiting on a reply...
Thought i'd mentioned that earlier...

Gamer67...  okay, thanks, I missed that

Avenger...  You were spot-on. I appreciate and respect you, even if we don't get along all the time. Thanks.

studione... right..   Thx will certainly try

The seller was Sushi. Observer was the one who traced the wallet address through blockchain. You may want to contact Observer, get the wallet address and then pass it on to Sushi, if this hasn't already been done.

done, thx

[studio1one]

The way I see it the best thing is to get on with the business of trying to locate the scammers using the addresses that we have. No one knows if any of the participants of this thread were involved or weren't involved and stating accusations in this thread won't prove anything either way. I found Phoenix and Maui suspicious but people who have been here longer than me and have dealt with them have vouched for them.

The only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn is that no one knows 100% either way apart from Phoenix and Maui so instead of mudslinging, efforts should be going into tracing the end perpetrators and only then will anyone know where this originates and who was involved.

[wwwin]

I might get flamed a bit for this or I might not but I don't give a shit either way.

here is his donation link ...what the heck suck it up and give a little BTC

(could be me/you/us in same boat someday)

here is the address

Phoenix1969 donate:     bitcoinadress: 1HPgsQTVCHuZSRi2Ed29CZZK7VutgkTPvz

ie he does not know i'm doing this and probably is too proud to ask...so i will suck it up and ask for him

Searing

So you think they should get donations? Have you read the beginning of this thread?
Amazing stuff happening.
Also, the blockchain shows that the second order was not paid...where is this 51btc scammed figure that brother 2  is alluding to coming from if the second order was not paid? Sounds like fuzzy math to me.

[wwwin]

Thought you said you called them and cts and the same person answered. Man this really does suck, sorry. Don't let greed trick you into hasty decisions.

I think he said something to the effect that the same voice answered the voicemail...it should be here in the earlier posts.

[edgar]

so if someone you 'know' commits a crime, are they innocent because they skyped you a few times?

vouching for ppl you hardly know is ridiculous, just like opening a security firm cos you 'got scammed'

id be very surprised if all these guys arent either 1 guy or all in on it .

except searing, hes just blindly saying what he thinks which just happens to be retarded. in my humble opinion.

dont say i didnt warn you guys!!

[wwwin]

Thought you said you called them and cts and the same person answered. Man this really does suck, sorry. Don't let greed trick you into hasty decisions.

you didnt THINK it, you READ it, just like the rest of us did!!

he's a liar!!

he 'may' not be involved directly in this scam, but that doesnt change the fact that he lies & lies & lies, and even goes back and changes shit he lied about to appear more honest or less dishonest.

DO NOT TRUST!!!

and especially do not trust the 'lets open a security firm' bullshit, that is misdirection aka smoke & mirrors!!

LIARS will ALWAYS go above & beyond what is required to 'prove' their honesty!

DO NOT TRUST!!

Also, brother 1 posted yesterday an email he sent to the hosting company to shut down the site...and the site according to the postings was shut down less than an hour after that.  So now the story is that they stayed up all night to get the site down??? Also brother 1 posted yesterday that was going to beach, after being up all night?  
Very interesting stuff going on here.

I am eating crow right now.  My brother uncovered some information that says this is most certainly a SCAM.  I verified his findings and have sent a note to hosting company that is hosting ctsminer.com

I went here: https://support.namecheap.com/index.php?/default/Tickets/Submit
I chose "Domains -- Legal and Abuse" and submitted this data to them:
_______________________________________________________________________________ _________

SCAM WEBSITE you are hosting.

Domain: ctsminer.com
IP: 199.188.201.252

http://domains-by-day.com/2014-01-24/ctsminer.com-domain-name-data.html
shows that ctsminer.com was originally associated with IP 185.8.106.66 (on another network)

THIS IS A KNOWN SCAMMER IP:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/ip-address/185.8.106.66/information/

Many previous attempts at fraud from domains on that same IP have been perpetrated most notably "butterflyiab.com".  It is famous. it was a copy of the legit site, butterflylabs.com.  They tricked a lot of people out of their bitcoin. This company is currently taking bitcoin payments and swindling people out of their hard earned currency. Others on our forum also tracked the bitcoin payments on the block chain and this company is using their fraudulently obtained bitcoin to purchase mining hardware.  This is a CLEAR SCAM. You are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to take it down IMMEDIATELY. BE ADVISED THAT YOU CAN BE HELD LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES INCURRED FROM THAT WEBSITE FROM THIS MOMENT ON.  You have been informed.

YOU CAN REVIEW OUR RESEARCH ON THE FORUM HERE:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=429513.msg4744813#msg4744813
_______________________________________________________________________________ _________

Everybody else on this forum needs to send something similar informing them of the scam.  Unfortunately, they don'y provide a telephone number. I am totally distraught right now, because of the lost BTC. Going to go cry myself to sleep now.  Good night all....

BTW, someone should probably contact FBI or something and let them know too. I'm to tired to deal with this right now.  I need sleep.

[augustocroppo]

collaborate with the fraudulent scheme?  I'm sitting here with a knife in my gut from loosing 41 grand asshole. Fuck off.

That is the price you pay when you ignore the evidence presented and pretend your perception is somehow more accurate than anybody's else.

Here are the quotes from you and your brother insisting the fraudsters were "legit" (a.k.a. collaboration):

Yet another attempt of fraud...

Scam, obvious scam.

 

Pfffft...  You said the same thing about KNC, and I made 5x my investment.

So far, it looks legit boys.

AND of course they kept their work secret.  DUH!

Verified...The code actually works

Rebecca Saunder's email seems like she is a real person and I think they will flesh out to be legit in the end.

Not to worry Rebecca....  every asic company in here got the troll treatment, and I see many units sold in a quick time... a good response if you ask me.

As more people do actual research rather than balking, they too will see that you are legit and sales will take 15 minutes rather than 24 hours to sell out 2,000 units.

We all predicted the "unknown" asic companies secretly developing...and here they are...

The data points are really starting to add up to them being legit.

he's my brother Merv, and we worked together all day plus 2 verifying them.... just sayin'

I did the same for knc when everyone was crying scam.... now look at them.   I really don't care what your opinion of us is.  really.
Drawing conclusions on a WHIOS search without resolving the addresses, then using it as evidence is exactly the kind of idiocy that needs prevented. Daryl is a master at web development, with years and years of cutting edge dev experience, and has developed programs years ago that still sell for 5 grand a pop today. I cherish his help, you should too.

Some of you are so vested in this being a scam, that you refuse to change your mind no matter where the evidence leads.  I also acknowledge, that now since I spent some BTC, I am now vested in this being legit as well.

Sheeze, now I know how Copernicus felt.  I am just showing you some evidence that the Earth may not be the center of the solar system and you guys are going ballistic on me for it.

Any takers?  doubtful... it's so much easier to troll & bash blindly

wow Augusto...lol   "mmwin" just asked   "where is their fabrication plant you said?"
It shows Essex not only hosts CMS, but is big on microprocessor companies and the tech in general, including Intel

That's ridiculously smart! Makes sense...

To be fair, this is not the same photo of the building on the CMS website, which unfortunately is common practice for companies.

Don't ask me for anything else, because you are not going to get it.  If you don't believe me, I don't care.

The people who took a risk were rewarded.  This is a risk, and hopefully I will be rewarded and not totally shafted.

I think you are just angry  and like to come onto forums and attempt to get people in a tizzy by making false accusations, when those same people are only trying to share what they think with community.  

So, the Fab facility Location is not that importnant to me. The real question is: Is CTS Miner really part of CMS? The data points suggest it is, but you are right that it is not 100%.  For me it is 95%.

Read the thread and most of your questions will be answered.  BUT, yes, Rebecca made the connection and I validated it to my satisfaction.

what's "unsubstantiated" is your lack of understanding... someone has to vette them, and he made a purchase, you did not,... duh

I think you can all fend for yourselves, I'm doing this just like in KNC for those of us who can actually afford these machines, and want to know.

the site says they use a common(shared) R&D facility, so I'm assuming same for chips

so If I'm a scammer, I'm scamming myself pretty hard, lol... Satisfied?  or do I need a blood sample or something?..  
and BTW, neither Maui or myself EVER recommended CTS to anyone... yet

I'm freaking out over here trying to validate the biggest purchase of my life, and most are not exactly helping anyone...  although it does make sense to keep high tech developments like this secret, its been done like this for ages....oh well, its all profits anyway hopefully monday is better

[studio1one]

Finding out about Sushi & The Observer would have taken minimal research. There is a real Keystone cops approach to this 'investigation'.

I pm'd observer hours ago asking for the transaction # so we might be able to get that shipping address..., still waiting on a reply...
Thought i'd mentioned that earlier...

Gamer67...  okay, thanks, I missed that

Avenger...  You were spot-on. I appreciate and respect you, even if we don't get along all the time. Thanks.

studione... right..   Thx will certainly try

The seller was Sushi. Observer was the one who traced the wallet address through blockchain. You may want to contact Observer, get the wallet address and then pass it on to Sushi, if this hasn't already been done.

done, thx

Just a question.

Why did you lay down so many BTC on a first order if no one knew if they were legit?

Wouldn't it have been more sensible to order 1 and see how it went?

[wwwin]

Based on history is "Blind belief?"  ... whatever...  I guess if you went to ebay and saw a 5 star seller rating with a hundred customers that would mean nothing too? I've been Pete's research partner on a scientific project for a few years now...years; and I consider Pete one of my best friends, we talk like at least three or four times a week for hours at a time now for about 4 years I think. Maybe longer, but I don't expect you to know any of that, nor do I really want to discuss defending my own honor really, It kinda takes energy away from chasing the real criminals here...  the same folks that did the butterfly vopycat site scam. ug

If you are going to allude to eBay rating than you should post the eBay username or don't post about eBay at all.

[wwwin]

F9FOF...
Exactly what "action" are you referring to then?

they did more then the above to look into these guys...and they are the ones who after they found out it was a scam helped to shut down the host site in LA and also they (and I) we're involved in finding out the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com....

That is not true, the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com was not made by you nor any of the brothers. That can be ascertained by earlier posts.
Could you verify what you post please. First you say the scammers rented part of the building. Now you again misstate the facts. Your vouch is losing credibility very very fast.

[wwwin]

Finding out about Sushi & The Observer would have taken minimal research. There is a real Keystone cops approach to this 'investigation'.

Maybe that is the idea, a Keystone cops approach. The more mess the less chance of getting the scammers...don't let all their hero work confuse you...anybody can say its their picture on forum or that they have 5 star eBay...but no proof is shown...now for the FACTS.

Fact is that this order, see link, was never paid for and brother 2 is posting as if that order was paid.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=429513.msg4744506#msg4744506

To the real victims, do not be misled by misstatements and attempts to catch them in this thread. You need to work directly with the authorities and not-after-the-fact Keystone Kops.

[augustocroppo]

Still waiting for your proof of purchase maui. Also if you would be so kind as to post your KNC eBay sale that would go a long way to prove that you are not totally full of shit like I think you are.

Below are some pics of my orders from KNC & CTS Miner.  As well as the message from ebay. They deleted both my listing because of the 30 day policy.  I sold them both before eBay deleted them.

Don't ask me for anything else, because you are not going to get it.  If you don't believe me, I don't care.  If you think CTS is a scam, then don't buy one.  

https://i.imgur.com/lTkmJuQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qO0n7B2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ATkR4GD.jpg

BTW, I found another possible location, but it's so far from the road, that it way too blurry to read.  It looks like the CMS logo, but really hard to tell.  Look for it yourself.

What is the ID transaction for the payment you made to CTS Miners? Without this information your "pics" are meaningless and only proves you know how to use Microsoft Paint.

If you did not paid for the above order, why did you post the above "pic"?

https://blockchain.info/address/1BVxUHRM56vksYd5W26AYEZNNXtg5imH6i

https://i.imgur.com/sbzFFdk.png

Could you both answer the above questions? If you want help to keep track of the lost funds you will have to provide answers.

[Gamer67]

Sorry Maui but you are just as suspect as this outfit is. Your first post on here was for selling two KNC preorders. You would not take escrow and when no one took you up on your offer you sold them on eGay within minutes as you state. I am curious. Do you have an ebay link to prove this.

It's funny how Phoenix1969 tries to sell some land. As far as I can see, that didn't sell.

Then his "brother" mauiflipper appears and tries to sell 2 neptunes. That doesn't work, so he claims he sold them on ebay. Surely he'd provide links, so people could bid on them? If they actually existed.

As you can see from a search of completed listings, no "3TH neptune", "3000gh neptune", "kncminer neptune" or "knc neptune" has been sold on ebay from hawaii:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=3th+neptune&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=3000gh+neptune&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=kncminer+neptune&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=knc+neptune&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc

Now Phoenix1969 and mauiflipper are working very hard to prove this cts con is legit. Coincidence?? They claimed they spoke to Rebecca, the only people in the world who managed to get through! Really?

you my friend made my day...

I did the same for knc when everyone was crying scam.... now look at them.   I really don't care what your opinion of us is.  really.
Drawing conclusions on a WHIOS search without resolving the addresses, then using it as evidence is exactly the kind of idiocy that needs prevented. Daryl is a master at web development, with years and years of cutting edge dev experience, and has developed programs years ago that still sell for 5 grand a pop today. I cherish his help, you should too.

I am sorry, just beating the dead horse a bit more. The part I highlighted in bold is quite telling. For those of you not aware who Daryl is he is Mauiflipper aka the brother. Now I don't know if the above statement is true or not because from what I have seen so far with regards to Daryl's skills leaves a lot to be desired but then again that could just be more white noise being thrown around.

[SantaMuerte]

Still thinks birdman and honolulu is in this scam together.
Look at the shady statements and do you guys really (really?!) think a experienced miner would send of 50BTC for "5Th miners" as a misstake? 

Everybody makes misstakes and all that bullshit is not valid. They´re on this scam, and if you don´t see it then you need glasses.

[raskul]

i just wanted to be post 666