⚒[CGA] Cryptographic Anomaly - The Elusive Coin⚒

[polmax]

I need some help..
Why are people selling CGA at such low prices when there are other coins that are more easily mined?
It makes no sense to me....I have been buying like there is no tomorrow

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[brother3]

Added more goodies to the website! Including a twitter and reddit feed. I also implemented something a little fancy on the logo curtsey of the logo designer (XCessive). A facebook like button will come soon.

This!. There are some dark times coming in , with the price of bitcoin tanking again and only the better alts out there will survive a real drop.

I agree, I think we already see the first signs of a crypto currency stagnation. Entering a phase of a market characterized by cut-throat competition before returning to a groth market. In my opinion this is long overdue.

Stagnation would be good. I fear something far worse , but i do hope it's just fear , nothing serious.

Now as you mention it, yes, this could be far worse. The altcoins are like the new printing press of goverment controled FIAT money, this could cause the first crypto currency economic depression. The aftermath would be serious, but maybe healthy to the bloated (mainly alt)coin economy.

I liked the comparison.
Bitcoin was supposed to stop the money printing madness.
But it has proven that , although you can't print more bitcoins , you can always print an enormous amount of bitcoin 2 , bitcoin 3 and bitcoin 4.

Well , we human always find a way to f*** up everything.

Very true

[polmax]

brother3,
Tom and Jerry on poloniex

[Cor2]

Less than an hour away from finding block 64,000 (we are now at 63,947 and we find approx 1 block every 67 sec, about 55 blocks per hour)
So then we will finally see *every* block found on the pools (until now, all zero-rewards blocks were ignored by the pool software)
So we will suddenly see the block-finding rate on the pools jump up with evey block found now carrying a reward.
Hopefully, also a reduction in diff swings and the average block finding time, due to the more constant Network Hashing rate (no more switching pools). we'll see!

[brother3]

Less than an hour away from finding block 64,000 (we are now at 63,947 and we find approx 1 block every 67 sec, about 55 blocks per hour)
So then we will finally see *every* block found on the pools (until now, all zero-rewards blocks were ignored by the pool software)
So we will suddenly see the block-finding rate on the pools jump up with evey block found now carrying a reward.
Hopefully, also a reduction in diff swings and the average block finding time, due to the more constant Network Hashing rate (no more switching pools). we'll see!

Crossing fingers

[s4w3d0ff]

Less than an hour away from finding block 64,000 (we are now at 63,947 and we find approx 1 block every 67 sec, about 55 blocks per hour)
So then we will finally see *every* block found on the pools (until now, all zero-rewards blocks were ignored by the pool software)
So we will suddenly see the block-finding rate on the pools jump up with evey block found now carrying a reward.
Hopefully, also a reduction in diff swings and the average block finding time, due to the more constant Network Hashing rate (no more switching pools). we'll see!

Crossing fingers

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[OmarG]

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Just came online! Thanks for the source

Very nice! I added it to the OP and website. Quick question: Does your pool use stratum? If not I highly recommend it.

Yes it does. It'll automatically use stratum using the given URL

[s4w3d0ff]

Come join us!

• Hosted in Canada
• Low Latency P2Pool Node
• 1% Fee
• Transaction Fees Paid to Miners
• No Signup Required
• Payouts Directly to Wallet
• Unique P2Pool Frontend

Just came online! Thanks for the source

Very nice! I added it to the OP and website. Quick question: Does your pool use stratum? If not I highly recommend it.

Yes it does. It'll automatically use stratum using the given URL

Great!

[s4w3d0ff]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

[s4w3d0ff]

Everything seems to be going smoothly! Also, seems Coinwarz has added Poloniex support. I'm not saying spam their inbox.... but I'm not not saying it either...

[polmax]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

good good good excellent all at the pool we already have 1/4 found/amount

[Cor2]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

good good good excellent all at the pool we already have 1/4 found/amount

Ever since passin block 64k I see the following:
- about 3 times more blocks found reported on pools (which previously ignored zero-reward blocks) (this is expected)
- I see many blocks being rewarded 0.33 CGA, but there seems to be *no* relation to the difficulty of that block!
Several blocks have very low difficulty (1.11 or 1.16 or 1.60) and have a *lower* reward (0.23, 0.22, 0.16)
while I also see blocks found with diff larger than 3 which *do* have 0.33 rewards!
It appears that the reward is not calculated from the actual diff at the moment of block finding, or the pool is mis-reporting it?

So, I went to the block explorer and checked one suspect: block 64090:
difficulty  1.10575869
TX Value  0.22609161
Oh-oh...

[polmax]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

good good good excellent all at the pool we already have 1/4 found/amount

Ever since passin block 64k I see the following:
- about 3 times more blocks found reported on pools (which previously ignored zero-reward blocks) (this is expected)
- I see many blocks being rewarded 0.33 CGA, but there seems to be *no* relation to the difficulty of that block!
Several blocks have very low difficulty (1.11 or 1.16 or 1.60) and have a *lower* reward (0.23, 0.22, 0.16)
while I also see blocks found with diff larger than 3 which *do* have 0.33 rewards!
It appears that the reward is not calculated from the actual diff at the moment of block finding, or the pool is mis-reporting it?

So, I went to the block explorer and checked one suspect: block 64090:
difficulty  1.10575869
TX Value  0.22609161
Oh-oh...

Block Time: 40 seconds
Difficulty Refresh: 80 seconds/2 blocks
1/diff next 2 block

[s4w3d0ff]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

good good good excellent all at the pool we already have 1/4 found/amount

Ever since passin block 64k I see the following:
- about 3 times more blocks found reported on pools (which previously ignored zero-reward blocks) (this is expected)
- I see many blocks being rewarded 0.33 CGA, but there seems to be *no* relation to the difficulty of that block!
Several blocks have very low difficulty (1.11 or 1.16 or 1.60) and have a *lower* reward (0.23, 0.22, 0.16)
while I also see blocks found with diff larger than 3 which *do* have 0.33 rewards!
It appears that the reward is not calculated from the actual diff at the moment of block finding, or the pool is mis-reporting it?

So, I went to the block explorer and checked one suspect: block 64090:
difficulty  1.10575869
TX Value  0.22609161
Oh-oh...

Block Time: 40 seconds
Difficulty Refresh: 80 seconds/2 blocks
1/diff next 2 block

Ya the diff will reflect the next block not the current one... I'm not sure how to change such a thing.

[Cor2]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

good good good excellent all at the pool we already have 1/4 found/amount

Ever since passin block 64k I see the following:
- about 3 times more blocks found reported on pools (which previously ignored zero-reward blocks) (this is expected)
- I see many blocks being rewarded 0.33 CGA, but there seems to be *no* relation to the difficulty of that block!
Several blocks have very low difficulty (1.11 or 1.16 or 1.60) and have a *lower* reward (0.23, 0.22, 0.16)
while I also see blocks found with diff larger than 3 which *do* have 0.33 rewards!
It appears that the reward is not calculated from the actual diff at the moment of block finding, or the pool is mis-reporting it?

So, I went to the block explorer and checked one suspect: block 64090:
difficulty  1.10575869
TX Value  0.22609161
Oh-oh...

Block Time: 40 seconds
Difficulty Refresh: 80 seconds/2 blocks
1/diff next 2 block

Ya the diff will reflect the next block not the current one... I'm not sure how to change such a thing.

Ah, that clarifies.
The block finding time is now 60 sec (30 blocks found in 30 mins from block 64115 to 64145) so still not near the designed 40 sec.
The diff seems not to jump as high as before any more, but apparently still enough to cause some blocks to take several minutes to be found, slowing the average down quite a bit.

[s4w3d0ff]

We are there! Has anyone forked? I really hope not!

good good good excellent all at the pool we already have 1/4 found/amount

Ever since passin block 64k I see the following:
- about 3 times more blocks found reported on pools (which previously ignored zero-reward blocks) (this is expected)
- I see many blocks being rewarded 0.33 CGA, but there seems to be *no* relation to the difficulty of that block!
Several blocks have very low difficulty (1.11 or 1.16 or 1.60) and have a *lower* reward (0.23, 0.22, 0.16)
while I also see blocks found with diff larger than 3 which *do* have 0.33 rewards!
It appears that the reward is not calculated from the actual diff at the moment of block finding, or the pool is mis-reporting it?

So, I went to the block explorer and checked one suspect: block 64090:
difficulty  1.10575869
TX Value  0.22609161
Oh-oh...

Block Time: 40 seconds
Difficulty Refresh: 80 seconds/2 blocks
1/diff next 2 block

Ya the diff will reflect the next block not the current one... I'm not sure how to change such a thing.

Ah, that clarifies.
The block finding time is now 60 sec (30 blocks found in 30 mins from block 64115 to 64145) so still not near the designed 40 sec.
The diff seems not to jump as high as before any more, but apparently still enough to cause some blocks to take several minutes to be found, slowing the average down quite a bit.

This will continue until the network hash gets a bit higher. Like I said before we had Kimotos Gravity Well before but there are exploits that involve nTime, until someone comes up with a better solution, the only thing that will stabilize the block time is more people mining. So spread the word!

[hoosen]

I made a manual payout request over 24hrs+ ago at cga.inceptioncraft.net and have not received it yet. What the freak is taking so long?
Also have coin that have sat unconfirmed for about the same time with them as well.

There was a fork, so depending where it is sent from/to, it may or may not arrive and your actions can recover your control over these coins.
Where did you send the coins to? Are you sure that the receiving end was on the correct block chain (else it will never show up, even though
it was properly sent and recorded in the block chain).
Note that your coins do not reside in a wallet, they only are recorded in the block chain, your wallet is just a window into the block chain
to see and manipulate the coins registered under one or more addresses that the wallet generated for you.
If you follow the link from the transactoin on InceptionCraft, to the block of the block chain, you should see that it has hundreds of confirmations, showing that it is a valid block from the main block chain (not an orphaned fork).
If you have coins that have showed up in a wallet that have been sitting unconfirmed for hours, that means that those coins were sent
from an address that was on the *forked* chain and they are not recognised by other nodes, so they do not get confirmations.
If those coins were mined *while* on the forked chain, then those coins do not officially exist and they will never be confirmed,
because they were created with an invalid block chain.
If those coins were created before the fork and were only *transferred* while the wallet was on the forked chain, then they officially
never were sent!
That means that as far as the block chain is concerned, those coins are still in the "sending" wallet and not in the receiving one, that is
why there are no confirmations - the transactoin never happened on the official block chain.
You can recover in various ways from this - rescanning the wallets and a few other ways, the most involved but powerful way is to export
the private keys from the wallets that are affected and making a wallet backup,
then install a new fresh wallet, then import the private key(s) into the new wallet.
All the transactoins associated with those keys (= CGA addresses) are now read from the official block chain, so anything that
happened on the fork will never show up in the wallet and the sending wallet should have the balance again that was sent on the fork.
Hope this helps!

I sent the CGA from my inceptioncraft pool account to my CGA wallet. Ive redownloaded the block chain am on running the most up to date CGA wallet and have even sent coins from other pools to my wallet and had them confirmed.

The coins in my inceptioncraft pool account have all confirmed except the last payout which was probably mined on the forked block chain which is fine its only like .07cga. But the rest is confirmed and has not been received in my CGA wallet after making the payout request.

There is no transaction of the coins being sent to my wallet from inceptioncraft in my wallet nor inceptioncraft transaction records.

Its like inceptioncraft just never sent them to me.

[tf2honeybadger]

I made a manual payout request over 24hrs+ ago at cga.inceptioncraft.net and have not received it yet. What the freak is taking so long?
Also have coin that have sat unconfirmed for about the same time with them as well.

There was a fork, so depending where it is sent from/to, it may or may not arrive and your actions can recover your control over these coins.
Where did you send the coins to? Are you sure that the receiving end was on the correct block chain (else it will never show up, even though
it was properly sent and recorded in the block chain).
Note that your coins do not reside in a wallet, they only are recorded in the block chain, your wallet is just a window into the block chain
to see and manipulate the coins registered under one or more addresses that the wallet generated for you.
If you follow the link from the transactoin on InceptionCraft, to the block of the block chain, you should see that it has hundreds of confirmations, showing that it is a valid block from the main block chain (not an orphaned fork).
If you have coins that have showed up in a wallet that have been sitting unconfirmed for hours, that means that those coins were sent
from an address that was on the *forked* chain and they are not recognised by other nodes, so they do not get confirmations.
If those coins were mined *while* on the forked chain, then those coins do not officially exist and they will never be confirmed,
because they were created with an invalid block chain.
If those coins were created before the fork and were only *transferred* while the wallet was on the forked chain, then they officially
never were sent!
That means that as far as the block chain is concerned, those coins are still in the "sending" wallet and not in the receiving one, that is
why there are no confirmations - the transactoin never happened on the official block chain.
You can recover in various ways from this - rescanning the wallets and a few other ways, the most involved but powerful way is to export
the private keys from the wallets that are affected and making a wallet backup,
then install a new fresh wallet, then import the private key(s) into the new wallet.
All the transactoins associated with those keys (= CGA addresses) are now read from the official block chain, so anything that
happened on the fork will never show up in the wallet and the sending wallet should have the balance again that was sent on the fork.
Hope this helps!

I sent the CGA from my inceptioncraft pool account to my CGA wallet. Ive redownloaded the block chain am on running the most up to date CGA wallet and have even sent coins from other pools to my wallet and had them confirmed.

The coins in my inceptioncraft pool account have all confirmed except the last payout which was probably mined on the forked block chain which is fine its only like .07cga. But the rest is confirmed and has not been received in my CGA wallet after making the payout request.

There is no transaction of the coins being sent to my wallet from inceptioncraft in my wallet nor inceptioncraft transaction records.

Its like inceptioncraft just never sent them to me.

My apologies, the coins are all there but the payout scripts do not appear to be working. Here's my getinfo from the pool wallet, to prove I didn't run away with them:

{
    "version" : 1030002,
    "protocolversion" : 70003,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 79.57981508,
    "blocks" : 64183,
    "timeoffset" : -2,
    "connections" : 63,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 2.03032485,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1391719795,
    "keypoolsize" : 102,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}


I will try to get the coins to you tonight, but I have a fever of 100.4 F right now and will probably be going to sleep soon. otherwise, I'll fix it tomorrow.

[hoosen]

Well at least that is sorted was trippin about those coins the past few days.

Get well soon my friend.

[Cor2]

The block finding time is now 60 sec (30 blocks found in 30 mins from block 64115 to 64145) so still not near the designed 40 sec.
The diff seems not to jump as high as before any more, but apparently still enough to cause some blocks to take several minutes to be found, slowing the average down quite a bit.

This will continue until the network hash gets a bit higher. Like I said before we had Kimotos Gravity Well before but there are exploits that involve nTime, until someone comes up with a better solution, the only thing that will stabilize the block time is more people mining. So spread the word!

OK, I had the impression that the mining activity had already risen quite a bit, the pool I am on had mostly myself as contributor a couple days ago while this morning it had increased to more than 10% of the Network hashing rate (around 30Mh/s of almost 300Mh/s) so my contribution had shrunk to barely over 1% of the pool. I thought that to be a decent hash rate.
Also, my understanding is that as long as the network hashing rate is constant, the diff does not change as jumps are mostly caused by changes in network hashing rate - which is a result of a profit switching pool... Without them, diff should be relatively constant unless it is very sensitive to block finding rate, which is a statistical and therefor noisy process by definition
Now that almost all blocks carry around 0.3 CGA reward, there is no reason for pools to switch and I'd expected the block finding rate and the diff to stabilize.
I see still large difference between actual block finding rate and design - for example the 40 blocks period from 64132 to 64172 took over an hour, so that is more than 1.5 minutes per block average, while the design is 40 sec. I didn't check the diff of the intermediate blocks but I am surprised that the finding time is more than 2x the designed value.
I am not complaining, just pointing to possible areas to focus on in a next release - we'll have to accept that the mining will generate
much less coins than we'd expect based on calculation - the payout should already be more smooth than before.