[Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [1st Feb 2016]

[cathoderay]

so I guess this means they think Dogie is paid by the competition.....

There's no "think" about it - dogie is paid by the competition.

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[Pentax]

so I guess this means they think Dogie is paid by the competition.....

There's no "think" about it - dogie is paid by the competition.

I doubt anyone would have to pay anyone anything to post the simple truth about Black Arrow.

Their customers are willing to do that free of charge, I assure you.....

[cathoderay]

so I guess this means they think Dogie is paid by the competition.....

There's no "think" about it - dogie is paid by the competition.

I doubt anyone would have to pay anyone anything to post the simple truth about Black Arrow.

Their customers are willing to do that free of charge, I assure you.....

Absolutely.

Everyone knows that if a reviewer is being paid by a manufacturer, he will never tell the truth about that manufacturer.

Isn't that right dogie? 

[Biffa]

I've updated dogies guide rating from 5/10 down to 1/10

Why is BA 5/10 ethics even though they are several times more unethical than the current BFL? In fact I'd say they are the least ethical company still selling hardware.

We've been though this so many times... Show me an ethics score modifier that I can actually apply to BA.

It's clear as day that hashcoins is a scam.

Apart from they're delivering Apollo and Ares orders absolutely fine, and there are ZERO reports of the Zeus being 'dodgy'. If you're absolutely 100% sure its a scam, then I'll take you up on a 10 to 0 escrowed btc bet. If their Zeus boards are even remotely close to as they claim, I get 10btc. If not, you get an I told you so. ....Which will happen right, because you're 100% sure?

If you're not, then you shouldn't be flaming me for not marking a company a scam which has ZERO reports from CUSTOMERS about Zeus boards being bad.

Really its easy to have ZERO reports from ZERO customers.

[Guy Corem]

so I guess this means they think Dogie is paid by the competition.....

There's no "think" about it - dogie is paid by the competition.

I doubt anyone would have to pay anyone anything to post the simple truth about Black Arrow.

Their customers are willing to do that free of charge, I assure you.....

Absolutely.

Everyone knows that if a reviewer is being paid by a manufacturer, he will never tell the truth about that manufacturer.

Isn't that right dogie?  

I don't think it's fair towards Dogie.
The guide isn't perfect and I have my reservations which some of it I posted.
Specifically, I find it very annoying that BitFury, which I consider bad for the ecosystem is so highly ranked. I think that self mining on industrial mega scale should be punished severely in ranking.

I think that Dogie is doing an honest work. Nobody is perfect and erring is human.

Diaclaimer: we send Dogie review units of all our miners and he work hard - hours - on preparing the guides.

Guy

[AJRGale]

so I guess this means they think Dogie is paid by the competition.....

There's no "think" about it - dogie is paid by the competition.

I doubt anyone would have to pay anyone anything to post the simple truth about Black Arrow.

Their customers are willing to do that free of charge, I assure you.....

Absolutely.

Everyone knows that if a reviewer is being paid by a manufacturer, he will never tell the truth about that manufacturer.

Isn't that right dogie? 

I don't think it's fair towards Dogie.
The guide isn't perfect and I have my reservations which some of it I posted.
Specifically, I find it very annoying that BitFury, which I consider bad for the ecosystem is so highly ranked. I think that self mining on industrial mega scale should be punished severely in ranking.

I think that Dogie is doing an honest work. Nobody is perfect and erring is human.

Diaclaimer: we send Dogie review units of all our miners and he work hard - hours - on preparing the guides.

Guy

just remember, this is what the actions are with the companies and actions to the consumers, at the present time. its not a all round thing since the day they started. Basically, dogie has marked BitFury as not doing any mining now, unless there is evidence that they are now, the score stays the same.

now the question i have for you, Spondoolies-Tech, is you have sold pre-orders, and them pre-orders are still in effect? do you still have customers that are waiting on orders? once they are filled out, and you're not selling anymore pre-orders, your score will change.

now, if you are going to claim you do not have anymore people waiting for orders, we would like to see that.

Just a disclaimer, I'm not following your side of the world Spondoolies-Tech, i don't know what you're doing, other then you have hardware that i'd never buy (way outside my price range). so i know nothing other then you do have people still in pre-order status.

[Guy Corem]

so I guess this means they think Dogie is paid by the competition.....

There's no "think" about it - dogie is paid by the competition.

I doubt anyone would have to pay anyone anything to post the simple truth about Black Arrow.

Their customers are willing to do that free of charge, I assure you.....

Absolutely.

Everyone knows that if a reviewer is being paid by a manufacturer, he will never tell the truth about that manufacturer.

Isn't that right dogie? 

I don't think it's fair towards Dogie.
The guide isn't perfect and I have my reservations which some of it I posted.
Specifically, I find it very annoying that BitFury, which I consider bad for the ecosystem is so highly ranked. I think that self mining on industrial mega scale should be punished severely in ranking.

I think that Dogie is doing an honest work. Nobody is perfect and erring is human.

Diaclaimer: we send Dogie review units of all our miners and he work hard - hours - on preparing the guides.

Guy

just remember, this is what the actions are with the companies and actions to the consumers, at the present time. its not a all round thing since the day they started. Basically, dogie has marked BitFury as not doing any mining now, unless there is evidence that they are now, the score stays the same.

now the question i have for you, Spondoolies-Tech, is you have sold pre-orders, and them pre-orders are still in effect? do you still have customers that are waiting on orders? once they are filled out, and you're not selling anymore pre-orders, your score will change.

now, if you are going to claim you do not have anymore people waiting for orders, we would like to see that.

Just a disclaimer, I'm not following your side of the world Spondoolies-Tech, i don't know what you're doing, other then you have hardware that i'd never buy (way outside my price range). so i know nothing other then you do have people still in pre-order status.

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

[AJRGale]

et découpez

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

Ah, i missed that F thing, fare enough.

i don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

and no more pre-orders left for you, fare enough..

did you finalize the pre-orders last month or 2? that maybe why you still have that score, its past tense.
your score has increase since last time, so i wouldn’t complain, be better then the others, you will rise above them.

Question is, next lot of hardware you make, or you going to advertise and take orders before final construction? (aka pre-orders), or are you going to build a stock and sell them there and then?

Hell, at least you haven’t tested your miners on animals!

on the other hand, you could just ignore this whole thing and run your business without even consolidating this list, Test the miners on animals, sell everyone a bit of paper with "I O U MINER" on it, ignore everyone’s problems and sell the crappiest chunks of scrap, then call yourself the best company, and run off with everyone’s money till the feds come after you!

tl:dr, it was the preorders that wrecked your score and BitFury is on the way down

[Guy Corem]

et découpez

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

Ah, i missed that F thing, fare enough.

i don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

and no more pre-orders left for you, fare enough..

did you finalize the pre-orders last month or 2? that maybe why you still have that score, its past tense.
your score has increase since last time, so i wouldn’t complain, be better then the others, you will rise above them.

Question is, next lot of hardware you make, or you going to advertise and take orders before final construction? (aka pre-orders), or are you going to build a stock and sell them there and then?

Hell, at least you haven’t tested your miners on animals!

on the other hand, you could just ignore this whole thing and run your business without even consolidating this list, Test the miners on animals, sell everyone a bit of paper with "I O U MINER" on it, ignore everyone’s problems and sell the crappiest chunks of scrap, then call yourself the best company, and run off with everyone’s money till the feds come after you!

tl:dr, it was the preorders that wrecked your score and BitFury is on the way down

Please read the last few pages here. The FF was discussed and the fact that we won't take pre-orders on our 3rd gen and why.
Testing on animals wasn't discuss.

[AJRGale]

et découpez

You're wrong regarding BitFury. Dogie gave them F in Ethics which means they're operating a farm.
BitFury are operating over 40MW of farms, in Georgia, Iceland and Finland.
They're very proud of this fact, for example: http://vimeo.com/104009961
In Bitcoin mining, if a company operates a farm it competes with it's consumer. IMHO, giving 2 points penalty for BitFury mega industrial scale mining operation is way too law.

As I wrote, we've reached stock on all our products line, which means no more people waiting on pre-orders.
We still have small percentage (about 2%) of customers to refund on the spec change. It will be done this month.

Guy

Ah, i missed that F thing, fare enough.

i don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

and no more pre-orders left for you, fare enough..

did you finalize the pre-orders last month or 2? that maybe why you still have that score, its past tense.
your score has increase since last time, so i wouldn’t complain, be better then the others, you will rise above them.

Question is, next lot of hardware you make, or you going to advertise and take orders before final construction? (aka pre-orders), or are you going to build a stock and sell them there and then?

Hell, at least you haven’t tested your miners on animals!

on the other hand, you could just ignore this whole thing and run your business without even consolidating this list, Test the miners on animals, sell everyone a bit of paper with "I O U MINER" on it, ignore everyone’s problems and sell the crappiest chunks of scrap, then call yourself the best company, and run off with everyone’s money till the feds come after you!

tl:dr, it was the preorders that wrecked your score and BitFury is on the way down

Please read the last few pages here. The FF was discussed and the fact that we won't take pre-orders on our 3rd gen and why.
Testing on animals wasn't discuss.

*Gasp* so you are testing on animals! :O

Right, i re-read the last few pages, i was positive you're asking why you are lower then bitfury, and they only get a -2 only on their ethics from self mining.. i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..

and yeah, no idea what dogies plans are on the F and old FF score, going to change the scoring? make sure its so unfair that anyone looking at a farm gets a -100, yep yep.

[Guy Corem]

...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...

For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

[notlist3d]

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i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...

For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

I love this a company making a joke out of something.  Got a laugh never saw this before.

Is there a limit on these?

[Guy Corem]

...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...

For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

I love this a company making a joke out of something.  Got a laugh never saw this before.

Is there a limit on these?

No, you can buy as many as you want.

Edit: This way, Dogie's Mix ranking on pre-order for us will be justify  

[AJRGale]

...
i guess an apology is in order for biting your butt over your old pre-orders, i'll still raise my nose and say better not do it again with the SP107 and SP12..
...

For you, we still have the following in our store:
http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/rawdog-special-pre-order-for-future-pre-orders-products

If you're not RawDog, I apologise in advance.

I Love it! and no, im not Rawdawg just using my old meme of him, but im so buying into this! pre-order of a pre-order! Yo Dawg!

I love this a company making a joke out of something.  Got a laugh never saw this before.

Is there a limit on these?

and thats why coms are 10 out of 10

[Guy Corem]

... no, im not Rawdawg just using my old meme of him ...

Apology.

[brush242]

Apology.

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!

[raskul]

-snip-

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!

feel free to use the link in my sig to checkout if you manage to get them to split the payment method

[dogie]

Specifically, I find it very annoying that BitFury, which I consider bad for the ecosystem is so highly ranked. I think that self mining on industrial mega scale should be punished severely in ranking.

Just remember, this is what the actions are with the companies and actions to the consumers, at the present time. its not a all round thing since the day they started. Basically, dogie has marked BitFury as not doing any mining now, unless there is evidence that they are now, the score stays the same.

That is one of the problems. They were a huge consumer ASIC company, they are now a huge ASIC company and they do sell into the marketplace - you've just got to have big pockets. They've also not done anything wrong, so their rating is where it should be. They have an ethics infraction for farm mining, but I don't see it as useful to penalise companies significantly for doing that.

What a consumer needs to know is if what they order is going to arrive at all, on time and as described. Having a farm somewhere isn't going to interrupt that process, and may in fact strengthen it by making the company more financially resilient. "Damn, someone burnt down our factory. Luckily we have a second revenue stream so can rebuild and make these orders right."

tldr, its hard to impose strong penalties just for farm mining. And Bitfury hasn't done anything wrong, they are a big player in the industry and you just need deep pockets to access that.

I don't know what dogie thinks is the diffrence between  "F = Operates own mining farm" and "FF = Operates own large mining farm"

No one gets an FF any more because information on farm size is hard to get with all the pomposity and secrecy. Western companies want to show off their farms as validation for investers, Eastern companies want to show off their farms in secret as validation for customers. And what is the cut-off for a large farm over a 'not large' farm?

[RoadStress]

-snip-

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!

feel free to use the link in my sig to checkout if you manage to get them to split the payment method

I dare you to use my link!

[brush242]

-snip-

Hey All,

I've asked a couple of places, even emailed Spondoolies: can the website handle payment for a single order split between USD and BTC? If not, is there a special procedure I need to use?

If you have a referral link and I decide to purchase, I'm more than willing to use it.

Thanks so much!

feel free to use the link in my sig to checkout if you manage to get them to split the payment method

I dare you to use my link!

I dare you to provide the answer!