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September 05, 2018, 07:44:45 AM
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Nothing wrong with contributing to the forum via advertising of course.   On KYC you probably need representation, my main objection to KYC currently is it is arbitary and uneven across the industry.
Its liable to profiteering and unilateral decisions by management.   If the deposits are held with a third party then we can suppose that a company is not to gain from its reference to KYC but I dont often hear of that being the case.

What I would like to see is raising the case for an industry wide standard or protocol for this KYC proceedure and then all exchanges can adhere to that code of conduct across the industry and to some extent self regulate itself from pop up exchanges which could possibly take advantage of indivuals.     In the past I've given in driving license details only to be told it wasnt enough and I must also prove place of birth and so on, but in most exchanges just proving who you are is enough but the company which refused then closed the site without notice or returning anyones funds.

  Another case where I started a thread on, the company gave less then a fortnight for people to present documents or to lose their tokens and they did not update their T&C to show this deadline.  They still mention the forfeit of tokens was a legal measure, which seems biased logic and not in line with proper regulatory oversight KYC purports to


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September 05, 2018, 07:48:40 AM
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who spent his money to promote this on bitcointalk?
I mean seriously?
The money was spent on blackmail. It all started with the fact that ni23457 (the person who bought the advertisement here) sent someone else's documents from Google, when the exchange deemed his transaction suspicious. He did not get acquainted with the rules before.

I decided that it was just a formality. I took an image with someone's passport from google-images and sent them.

He recognizes this.

Agree, the exchange had the right to stop the transaction until the identity of his identity. But he does not want to do KYC, says that he is afraid of something. But why should he be afraid? He hides his identity, and now blackmailes changenow. He seeks to spoil  changenow reputation so that they return 100 BCH without KYC.

These actions are worthy of a fraudster!

If you're curious to find out how ni23457 is blackmailing changenow, read here It is interesting.
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September 05, 2018, 09:19:43 AM
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If a person has nothing to fear he is not a fraud or a terrorist or drug dealer and so on, why not provide documents??I think that the exchanger has the right to require documents that would know who to return the money.This is my personal opinion, but I am sure that it is correct.
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September 05, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
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I guess they just close this business and can open other business.
Just the business.
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September 05, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
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If a person has nothing to fear he is not a fraud or a terrorist or drug dealer and so on, why not provide documents??I think that the exchanger has the right to require documents that would know who to return the money.This is my personal opinion, but I am sure that it is correct.


I have responded to this many times


What happened: Illegal exchanger from Russia(the activities of such services are not legal in Russia) hold my funds and do all to delay the situation. They demand documents, selfie, videoverification. But I am not obliged to disclose information about myself to a group of persons who conduct illegal activities in its country. It's just dangerous.

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Quick FAQ
Q: Can not you pass video verification because the selfie was doing another person?
A: If this were so, do you really think that I would not have the money to pay that person for the video call?

Q: So what is the problem?
A: The problem is that I do not follow the demands of suspicious persons from Russia who conduct activities there without any supervision by the state, and who run away from their office and change founders. I need that these people to just return my crystal clean 5-year old coins. I do not need their exchange and accordingly I do not want to go with them for any cooperation.

Q: Why 100 BCH?
A: It was only a first small part and I confused them with Changelly

Q: Why so much hate?
A: On July 6, they received a photo of the passport and a selfie. Then they told everyone that they were investigating. On July 19, I told them that I knew who they are and where they are and only on that day they suddenly decided to stop their investigation and began to ask for video verification (just check this topic). Thus I'm absolutely sure they are just pathetic scammers who wanted to steal a large sum of money.
how can you take this "company" seriously?
My 2nd: ChangeNOW.io Evercode Lab - Scam. Defamation. Abuses. Threats - Russian Business


I'm just disgusted with these people. I can not stand them. What kind of cooperation can we talk about? I do not need their exchange. Let these freaks simply return my 5 year old crystal clear coins.

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September 05, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
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People why you even use this exchangers?
For example : poloniex you can exchange up to 25000$
Value crypto currency per day.
Since fiat currency is not involved you have anonoumity.
And you cash out whole the money through banks in europe or uk uk is best for that.
Even i hold my funds on coinbase but i dont buy with fiat frim there and i dont ecchange through coinbase since i like anonoumity i just exchange through localbitcoins alaways use escrow i save my time and nervous!!
Thats it !!
And we can always use other persons bank accounts to drop the money in there,this way we dont make huge transactions tied with our name and identy.
Life is quite simple Smiley
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September 05, 2018, 10:24:47 AM
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Even poloniex or any other exchanger you can open to someone else name.
Its so easy and bigger exchangers have smaller fees.
But even with trusted exchangers on localbitcoins i always use escrow !! I dont care about much fees then about fact deal is secure and 100% i get my funds !!
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September 05, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
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If a person has nothing to fear he is not a fraud or a terrorist or drug dealer and so on, why not provide documents??I think that the exchanger has the right to require documents that would know who to return the money.This is my personal opinion, but I am sure that it is correct.


I have responded to this many times


What happened: Illegal exchanger from Russia(the activities of such services are not legal in Russia) hold my funds and do all to delay the situation. They demand documents, selfie, videoverification. But I am not obliged to disclose information about myself to a group of persons who conduct illegal activities in its country. It's just dangerous.

...

Quick FAQ
Q: Can not you pass video verification because the selfie was doing another person?
A: If this were so, do you really think that I would not have the money to pay that person for the video call?

Q: So what is the problem?
A: The problem is that I do not follow the demands of suspicious persons from Russia who conduct activities there without any supervision by the state, and who run away from their office and change founders. I need that these people to just return my crystal clean 5-year old coins. I do not need their exchange and accordingly I do not want to go with them for any cooperation.

Q: Why 100 BCH?
A: It was only a first small part and I confused them with Changelly

Q: Why so much hate?
A: On July 6, they received a photo of the passport and a selfie. Then they told everyone that they were investigating. On July 19, I told them that I knew who they are and where they are and only on that day they suddenly decided to stop their investigation and began to ask for video verification (just check this topic). Thus I'm absolutely sure they are just pathetic scammers who wanted to steal a large sum of money.
how can you take this "company" seriously?
My 2nd: ChangeNOW.io Evercode Lab - Scam. Defamation. Abuses. Threats - Russian Business


I'm just disgusted with these people. I can not stand them. What kind of cooperation can we talk about? I do not need their exchange. Let these freaks simply return my 5 year old crystal clear coins.


Please answer one more time for everyone here: why did you send fake documents TWO times? Not one as you mentioned previously. It’s document forgery my friend and you know it.
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September 05, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
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who spent his money to promote this on bitcointalk?
I mean seriously?

Yes seriously and Much Respect for the one who did that. You can't say for sure that OP is the one paying for the ad slot (even it's highly likely) but it's definitely someone affected by this incident and wants to draw as much attention as possible on this discussion (to warn people? to defeat the reputation of ChangeNow.io? - who knows really). By doing he/she also contributes to the forum which is not bad at all.
But I admit, it's my very first time to see a such advertising  - It will surely inspire other potential advertisers Grin

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September 05, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
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I'm just disgusted with these people. I can not stand them. What kind of cooperation can we talk about? I do not need their exchange. Let these freaks simply return my 5 year old crystal clear coins.

Ok, man. Show us your crystal clear transaction, a wallet. We do not know anything about you. Who are you? How can the exchange return your coins if you deceived them. Maybe you're a terrorist, laundering money. You have one way out = KYC!

Find out how ni23457 is engaged in blackmail exchange, and you will understand who this person is. Read here
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September 05, 2018, 11:01:03 AM
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Good point about the terrorist. I also suggested that he is related somehow to wex.nz cos the whole story started nearly the same time with wex problems. Also he is definitely from Russia.
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September 05, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
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In this case both sides should maje some agreement.
The exchanger should give back 50% of coins.
Assets will be splitted by 50/50 if 2 sides who involved in deal cant make agreement.
So split it 50/50 and thats it.
Exchanger is happy and the customer at least have something.
Right now this looks like, you just handed over your funds to stranger,it means it was easy money.
If you make money hard way then you never give it out easy way.
Its okay life is like school you will learn
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September 05, 2018, 11:14:19 AM
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To be honest,I don't know which side to believe.If you follow the logical thinking, each of the parties may be a fraud.The situation is difficult and how to solve it I do not mind.We need a third party as an arbitrator.Otherwise, no way.
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September 05, 2018, 11:18:24 AM
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And my last question is?
How so dumb person had 100BCH.
It doesnt make sense !!
He cant be even terrorist or criminal since terrorist and criminals will not risk with their funds never ever.
So the question is..where he got this kind of ammount of coins.?
Something here does not make sense at all !!
Bs story!
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September 05, 2018, 11:22:04 AM
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And my last question is?
How so dumb person had 100BCH.
It doesnt make sense !!
He cant be even terrorist or criminal since terrorist and criminals will not risk with their funds never ever.
So the question is..where he got this kind of ammount of coins.?
Something here does not make sense at all !!
Bs story!

Robbery for example - have stolen this coins from someone else. May be even a physical hack. This answers to the question why was his transaction marked as suspicious.
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September 05, 2018, 11:29:18 AM
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And my last question is?
How so dumb person had 100BCH.
It doesnt make sense !!
He cant be even terrorist or criminal since terrorist and criminals will not risk with their funds never ever.
So the question is..where he got this kind of ammount of coins.?
Something here does not make sense at all !!
Bs story!

Robbery for example - have stolen this coins from someone else. May be even a physical hack. This answers to the question why was his transaction marked as suspicious.

You really are stupid aren't you? You spend your entire sad life on this thread and you expect people to believe you are an innocent bystander? LOL!

How difficult do you think it is for the OP, with the obvious means that he has, to get someone to do KYC for him? I don't think this is even about the money. Use your head sometimes, i understand you are paid to post, but some of the shit you type, you aint repping your masters well.

Go on, shout, call him a robber and terrorist again. Somebody might believe that's why you stole 70k, and you are getting your brand rubbished for that.
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September 05, 2018, 11:30:10 AM
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“Good point” from the proved shill of ni23457 Smiley
Man, please use your main account.
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September 05, 2018, 11:34:34 AM
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I have not looked into any details but just noticed that the OP is spending money to advertise this topic for awareness. S/he is paying money on advertising slot to display the add for this topic. Blow me  Smiley
Impressive! OP paid 0.14BTC ($1000) to advertise his scam accusation.
It's a coincidence that I left red trust on the day theymos' auction closed. I had seen this thread before, and the new thread added to the pile of evidence.

It's amazing! A person caught in fraud (sending someone else's documents), instead of going through KYC and getting his BTC, spends money to spoil the reputation of ChangeNOW. This is blackmail!
Up to two days ago, ChangeNOW claimed to be anonymous and limitless:
The service is anonymous, limitless and does not require any sign-ups.
They've only changed that after I pointed it out in my reference post to go with the red trust I left.

He can do it easily by passing AML/KYC procedure anytime but he is afraid to do that for some reason
There are several reasons to value your privacy, and giving your full identity to a shady service is not a good solution.

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I have not looked into any details but just noticed that the OP is spending money to advertise this topic for awareness. S/he is paying money on advertising slot to display the add for this topic. Blow me  Smiley
Impressive! OP paid 0.14BTC ($1000) to advertise his scam accusation.
It's a coincidence that I left red trust on the day theymos' auction closed. I had seen this thread before, and the new thread added to the pile of evidence.

It's amazing! A person caught in fraud (sending someone else's documents), instead of going through KYC and getting his BTC, spends money to spoil the reputation of ChangeNOW. This is blackmail!
Up to two days ago, ChangeNOW claimed to be anonymous and limitless:
The service is anonymous, limitless and does not require any sign-ups.
They've only changed that after I pointed it out in my reference post to go with the red trust I left.

He can do it easily by passing AML/KYC procedure anytime but he is afraid to do that for some reason
There are several reasons to value your privacy, and giving your full identity to a shady service is not a good solution.

February 9 is not "up to two days ago" =)))

"There are several reasons to value your privacy, and giving your full identity to a shady service is not a good solution."

Anyway this is a good point. Why do you think they are shady?
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I have not looked into any details but just noticed that the OP is spending money to advertise this topic for awareness. S/he is paying money on advertising slot to display the add for this topic. Blow me  Smiley
Impressive! OP paid 0.14BTC ($1000) to advertise his scam accusation.
It's a coincidence that I left red trust on the day theymos' auction closed. I had seen this thread before, and the new thread added to the pile of evidence.

It's amazing! A person caught in fraud (sending someone else's documents), instead of going through KYC and getting his BTC, spends money to spoil the reputation of ChangeNOW. This is blackmail!
Up to two days ago, ChangeNOW claimed to be anonymous and limitless:
The service is anonymous, limitless and does not require any sign-ups.
They've only changed that after I pointed it out in my reference post to go with the red trust I left.

He can do it easily by passing AML/KYC procedure anytime but he is afraid to do that for some reason
There are several reasons to value your privacy, and giving your full identity to a shady service is not a good solution.

February 9 is not "up to two days ago" =)))

"There are several reasons to value your privacy, and giving your full identity to a shady service is not a good solution."

Anyway this is a good point. Why do you think they are shady?
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