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Author Topic: ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins).  (Read 13961 times)
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September 06, 2018, 05:29:16 PM
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your exchange will not survive. And I find it very strange that a "reputable" company such as yours would employ trolls to represent it. If this is how you run your business, then the op is right not sending you his ID.

Why are all those who do not agree with the OP you are ready to record in the trolls? Why do you think that I work for the exchanger? I have my own position. I would not send fake documents, at the risk of losing 100 BCH. That's what I can not understand from the beginning. I want to understand this. I'm not happy with the wording "I'm afraid it can be scammers". Scammers are around us in real life, not just on the Internet. OP does not leave the house, for fear of scammers? I think no.

P.S. If you are not familiar with the words "democracy" and "freedom of speech", I advise you to use Google.
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September 06, 2018, 05:45:21 PM
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your exchange will not survive. And I find it very strange that a "reputable" company such as yours would employ trolls to represent it. If this is how you run your business, then the op is right not sending you his ID.

Why are all those who do not agree with the OP you are ready to record in the trolls? Why do you think that I work for the exchanger? I have my own position. I would not send fake documents, at the risk of losing 100 BCH. That's what I can not understand from the beginning. I want to understand this. I'm not happy with the wording "I'm afraid it can be scammers". Scammers are around us in real life, not just on the Internet. OP does not leave the house, for fear of scammers? I think no.

P.S. If you are not familiar with the words "democracy" and "freedom of speech", I advise you to use Google.

You are wrong. I addressed you directly, and I never said anything about other opposing views being trolls. Just reading through your post history, and that of matej krkic, is enough for anybody with a brain to see that you both work for changnow.io in some capacity. I don't have a problem with that, I was only pointing it out. Pretending otherwise though, is vacuous.

You don't have to understand the op's thinking. That is not the issue here. How he acts or thinks are his prerogative, not yours. You speak about democracy and freedom of speech, yet your exchange is behaving in a dictatorial manner. I don't think you fully understand what these words mean.

Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange. However, you have not behaved like a proper exchange would. In my opinion, your behavior and actions are frankly, for lack of a better word, disgusting.

Moving forward, I suggest both you and the op find a third party to arbitrate and resolve this mess. I am holding out some hope, that somehow, maybe you are not scammers, as is being projected all over the inter-web. It is time to put your egos aside and reach a solution, if indeed you are legitimate and not looking to appropriate the BCH.
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September 06, 2018, 05:58:25 PM
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The OP did not start an information war. Many people than him because he kindly paid from his own pocket to inform all of us about the way he was treated and to beware of changenow because they lie when they state: "anonymous and limitless"

Ok, tell me, is this the first time that exchanges require KYC, in the event that the amount of exchange is large? I think not, but no one paid big money, for making his problem popular. I have 2 questions: how do you think the OP can solve this problem? What would you do?

This is not the first time exchanges have asked for ID. Other exchanges require ID beyond a certain limit but changenow clearly stated "anonymous and limitless" on their website as their USP. The truth is changenow have used this as an excuse to hold on to the crypto when nothing warrants it.

The fault lay purely with changenow for advertising a service they did not actually offer. When they took the money (BCH) for exchanging they should have had a pop-up or alert stating they would require ID for verification if the transaction went ahead and "would you like to cancel or are you sure you want to proceed" option.

I think the best way the OP can resolve this issue is to ask changenow to return the crypto to the same address it was sent from. If they continue to behave like scammers then I think the OP should send ID but not his. I would never send my ID to scammer exchanges. He should make a deal with someone who is willing to part with their ID in return for some commission and make the video call, all the while claiming to be the OP (as long as it is legal in the country the OP is residing or is a citizen of). After the OP gets his crypto back he should never deal with changenow scammers again.


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September 06, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
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I've asked friends of mine from Interpol and Europol about this Company. They looked up cases related with this exchange but nothing shows up and this company address is fake. The Russians never ever corporate with Europol and Interpol that's what they told me. I've seen many Cases with russian exchanges and some of them reply Wallet onwer as Donald J Trump.
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September 06, 2018, 06:49:27 PM
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I've asked friends of mine from Interpol and Europol about this Company. They looked up cases related with this exchange but nothing shows up and this company address is fake. The Russians never ever corporate with Europol and Interpol that's what they told me. I've seen many Cases with russian exchanges and some of them reply Wallet onwer as Donald J Trump.

Hahaha - the most funny bullshit I’ve ever read. Funny shill.

Friends from interpol lol. My friends Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin just called me to conmirm you are the shill of ni23457
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September 06, 2018, 06:51:23 PM
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I think the best way the OP can resolve this issue is to ask changenow to return the crypto to the same address it was sent from. If they continue to behave like scammers then I think the OP should send ID but not his. I would never send my ID to scammer exchanges. He should make a deal with someone who is willing to part with their ID in return for some commission and make the video call, all the while claiming to be the OP (as long as it is legal in the country the OP is residing or is a citizen of). After the OP gets his crypto back he should never deal with changenow scammers again.

Wouldn't this be illegal? It is the easy option, but I would advice against it. Both parties are wrong here. However, the op's is the lesser crime. In most jurisdictions, his is a simple misdemeanor offense and does not warrant jail time. Unless, there is more to this than the exchange is letting on, but i doubt it.

On the other hand, Changenow are guilty of false representation: Making affirmative statements that the exchange is anonymous and limitless, not needing an account and so forth. Updating their T&S after the fact does not change this. This can lead to jail time as it is often considered fraudulent.

The op has made it clear he will not send his personal documents to "scammers"

Changnow should return the coins to the same address but they insist on KYC.

Both parties should find a reputable third party to hold the coins, and is willing to verify the op's identity. The coins should be released after the op passes KYC and removes the FUD on changenow.

Changenow and every other exchange that requires KYC from customers must alert them about this before taking deposits..
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September 06, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
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Wouldn't this be illegal? It is the easy option, but I would advice against it. Both parties are wrong here. However, the op's is the lesser crime. In most jurisdictions, his is a simple misdemeanor offense and does not warrant jail time. Unless, there is more to this than the exchange is letting on, but i doubt it.

On the other hand, Changenow are guilty of false representation: Making affirmative statements that the exchange is anonymous and limitless, not needing an account and so forth. Updating their T&S after the fact does not change this. This can lead to jail time as it is often considered fraudulent.

The op has made it clear he will not send his personal documents to "scammers"

Changnow should return the coins to the same address but they insist on KYC.

Both parties should find a reputable third party to hold the coins, and is willing to verify the op's identity. The coins should be released after the op passes KYC and removes the FUD on changenow.

Changenow and every other exchange that requires KYC from customers must alert them about this before taking deposits..

I agree with what you say. What cannot be denied is that one party is holding the crypto without merit. They have to send it back.

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September 06, 2018, 08:10:05 PM
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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.

We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.

As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.

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ChangeNOW will find the best rate on one of the ten integrated exchanges, process the transaction and your Ether will be sent to you in a few minutes.
No emails or passwords. No lengthy sign-up process. No accounts. No limits.''
What are you after?
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September 06, 2018, 08:11:08 PM
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I've asked friends of mine from Interpol and Europol about this Company. They looked up cases related with this exchange but nothing shows up and this company address is fake. The Russians never ever corporate with Europol and Interpol that's what they told me. I've seen many Cases with russian exchanges and some of them reply Wallet onwer as Donald J Trump.

Hahaha - the most funny bullshit I’ve ever read. Funny shill.

Friends from interpol lol. My friends Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin just called me to conmirm you are the shill of ni23457

No. I do not know him neither talked with him but one thing is clear that you are corrupt CEO of fraudulent exchange. If you have Guts, Send me your ID. I will give it to Putin and Trump then they will decide weather you are Salvic Nigga or not.
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September 06, 2018, 08:30:11 PM
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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.

We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.

As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.

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ChangeNOW will find the best rate on one of the ten integrated exchanges, process the transaction and your Ether will be sent to you in a few minutes.
No emails or passwords. No lengthy sign-up process. No accounts. No limits.''
What are you after?


Well this really begins to point more to a scam as the days go by and the OP still has not had his coins returned.

100 BCH is a around 11 BTC and that is a lot of money. The OP did not want to send ID and changenow mad eit clear they would not ask for it (as stated on their website) but the moment the OP sent the coins they asked for ID.

They have a duty to send the coins back to the OP because they received the funds under false representation of their business.

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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.

We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.

As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.

on your website
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ChangeNOW will find the best rate on one of the ten integrated exchanges, process the transaction and your Ether will be sent to you in a few minutes.
No emails or passwords. No lengthy sign-up process. No accounts. No limits.''
What are you after?


Well this really begins to point more to a scam as the days go by and the OP still has not had his coins returned.

100 BCH is a around 11 BTC and that is a lot of money. The OP did not want to send ID and changenow mad eit clear they would not ask for it (as stated on their website) but the moment the OP sent the coins they asked for ID.

They have a duty to send the coins back to the OP because they received the funds under false representation of their business.

As stated on their website? Really?? Man, they don’t have any mentioning of anonymity for a long time. What are you talking about? Did you see it yourself or you just believe ni23457 and his lies?
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September 06, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
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What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC

Caught doing what, there seems to be a presumption of guilt with no basis on events or even reasonable suspicion.   We dont convict people of crimes by instantly asking them to prove us wrong in our prejudice against them.   Modern society stopped doing this as a form of justice back when the Witch trials ended and since then its been seen as a mistake to assume malice or criminality by lack of knowledge.   It ends up as nonsense with one section of society highjacking the other.

The exchange returned the funds to sender, simple as that and no further explanation is required as its a reasonable reaction.   They had no reason not to return something not belonging to them and they have no involvement in any transaction or any burden to prove themselves unassociated.    If any details were provided to correlate to a crime then doing otherwise would make more sense

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September 06, 2018, 10:50:48 PM
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What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC

Caught doing what, there seems to be a presumption of guilt with no basis on events or even reasonable suspicion.   We dont convict people of crimes by instantly asking them to prove us wrong in our prejudice against them.   Modern society stopped doing this as a form of justice back when the Witch trials ended and since then its been seen as a mistake to assume malice or criminality by lack of knowledge.   It ends up as nonsense with one section of society highjacking the other.

The exchange returned the funds to sender, simple as that and no further explanation is required as its a reasonable reaction.   They had no reason not to return something not belonging to them and they have no involvement in any transaction or any burden to prove themselves unassociated.    If any details were provided to correlate to a crime then doing otherwise would make more sense

I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.
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September 06, 2018, 11:49:08 PM
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I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.

Interpol? This is an overreaction.

The sender never wanted to send ID so he used an exchange (changenow) that made it clear they would ask for ID as they were "anonymous and limitless". They forced him in to a corner by asking for ID without offering to send his funds back if he did not want to proceed with the transaction. If they wanted ID they should have made it clear before the transaction took place.

I will not use this pathetic changenow exchange and will never recommend it to anybody either. They have ruined their PR by trying to steal the OPs money using a fake reason.

I totally thank and commend the OP for using his own money to buy ads on the thread to tell us all the changenow is a scam.

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September 07, 2018, 05:19:45 AM
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What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC

Caught doing what, there seems to be a presumption of guilt with no basis on events or even reasonable suspicion.   We dont convict people of crimes by instantly asking them to prove us wrong in our prejudice against them.   Modern society stopped doing this as a form of justice back when the Witch trials ended and since then its been seen as a mistake to assume malice or criminality by lack of knowledge.   It ends up as nonsense with one section of society highjacking the other.

The exchange returned the funds to sender, simple as that and no further explanation is required as its a reasonable reaction.   They had no reason not to return something not belonging to them and they have no involvement in any transaction or any burden to prove themselves unassociated.    If any details were provided to correlate to a crime then doing otherwise would make more sense

There are many commentators who do not understand such obvious things. This "exchange" had no right to demand something by definition.
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September 07, 2018, 05:25:09 AM
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What a nonsense I read! Man, what are you trying to do, explain to us. This forum is not the place where you can blackmail those who caught you. Again:

1. You confused Changelly and ChangeNOW. Are you blind?
2. You sent someone else's documents. Why?
3. "I'm sorry I can not provide KYC" Why? Are you the first who must undergo this procedure?
4. You call them criminals because they caught you, discovering "a picture from Google". WTF!
5. "100 BCH was only the first small part" Show us the transaction.

Do you have any other facts?

If you do not want to exchange coins, then just return them back to the holder! If he refuses to be tested, is this not a logical decision?
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I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.

Interpol? This is an overreaction.

The sender never wanted to send ID so he used an exchange (changenow) that made it clear they would ask for ID as they were "anonymous and limitless". They forced him in to a corner by asking for ID without offering to send his funds back if he did not want to proceed with the transaction. If they wanted ID they should have made it clear before the transaction took place.

I will not use this pathetic changenow exchange and will never recommend it to anybody either. They have ruined their PR by trying to steal the OPs money using a fake reason.

I totally thank and commend the OP for using his own money to buy ads on the thread to tell us all the changenow is a scam.

What’s wrong with you? There is no mentioning of anonymity at their website for a long time.
February: https://web.archive.org/web/20180208161956/https://changenow.io/
March: https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/  <--- no anonimity

Why are you defending document forgery? It’s a crime
If OP was sure in his rights why did he sent fake ID two times? Fake ID two times man! This is the crime.

Imagine the situation: I come to buy apple in the supermarket and after giving a cash for it the cashier starts asking me for ID, "apple license" and other documents. I'm 100 sure that this action is illegal. I will just call a police or administrator of the supermarket. I will not brake the law myself. I will not fight with cashier, I will not treat the cashier with the gun. It's stupid and illegal.
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September 07, 2018, 08:59:06 AM
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Sorry, but I protest !!  Grin Grin Grin

That is, these scammers are afraid to keep coins in their property after this advertising campaign started, and decided to annoy me and send my 5-year-old crystal clear coins to some third parties?

What laws do you follow to deal with such arbitrariness with someone else's property, idiots?


Please do not forget to attach the following images to my coins, otherwise I will send it myself.
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1. create the impression of an anonymous exchanger https://www.google.com/search?q=changenow+anonymous
2. demand documents from each large deposit
3. 8 customers will send documents. 2 customers will refuse
4. because of the big noise, throw out one deposit
5. profit!

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September 07, 2018, 09:01:52 AM
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What's wrong? Are you afraid of europol? It's normal reaction on 2 attempts of document forgery and lots of treats and lies in the internet from anonymous troll.

>1. create the impression of an anonymous exchanger

When you visited the site their was no mentioning of anonymity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/
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September 07, 2018, 10:18:41 AM
 #240

Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange.

I did not send a fake documents.  I opened a Google images and sent them JPG file like this:

My young cute users, there is not one country in the world where JPG image sent by email could be called a document so I have the right to send any images I want



And it was absolutely the right decision. They are not a COMPANY, it's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people from Russia.

https://postimg.cc/image/i8a8z5nj5/
https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/
https://postimg.cc/image/b52djluz5/
https://postimg.cc/image/6j69bhmdd/
https://postimg.cc/image/9d9eoze9t

Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.

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