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September 06, 2018, 06:51:23 PM
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I think the best way the OP can resolve this issue is to ask changenow to return the crypto to the same address it was sent from. If they continue to behave like scammers then I think the OP should send ID but not his. I would never send my ID to scammer exchanges. He should make a deal with someone who is willing to part with their ID in return for some commission and make the video call, all the while claiming to be the OP (as long as it is legal in the country the OP is residing or is a citizen of). After the OP gets his crypto back he should never deal with changenow scammers again.
Wouldn't this be illegal? It is the easy option, but I would advice against it. Both parties are wrong here. However, the op's is the lesser crime. In most jurisdictions, his is a simple misdemeanor offense and does not warrant jail time. Unless, there is more to this than the exchange is letting on, but i doubt it. On the other hand, Changenow are guilty of false representation: Making affirmative statements that the exchange is anonymous and limitless, not needing an account and so forth. Updating their T&S after the fact does not change this. This can lead to jail time as it is often considered fraudulent. The op has made it clear he will not send his personal documents to "scammers" Changnow should return the coins to the same address but they insist on KYC. Both parties should find a reputable third party to hold the coins, and is willing to verify the op's identity. The coins should be released after the op passes KYC and removes the FUD on changenow. Changenow and every other exchange that requires KYC from customers must alert them about this before taking deposits.. |
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Wouldn't this be illegal? It is the easy option, but I would advice against it. Both parties are wrong here. However, the op's is the lesser crime. In most jurisdictions, his is a simple misdemeanor offense and does not warrant jail time. Unless, there is more to this than the exchange is letting on, but i doubt it.
On the other hand, Changenow are guilty of false representation: Making affirmative statements that the exchange is anonymous and limitless, not needing an account and so forth. Updating their T&S after the fact does not change this. This can lead to jail time as it is often considered fraudulent.
The op has made it clear he will not send his personal documents to "scammers"
Changnow should return the coins to the same address but they insist on KYC.
Both parties should find a reputable third party to hold the coins, and is willing to verify the op's identity. The coins should be released after the op passes KYC and removes the FUD on changenow.
Changenow and every other exchange that requires KYC from customers must alert them about this before taking deposits..
I agree with what you say. What cannot be denied is that one party is holding the crypto without merit. They have to send it back. |
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September 06, 2018, 08:10:05 PM |
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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.
We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.
As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.
on your website ''Receive your coins ChangeNOW will find the best rate on one of the ten integrated exchanges, process the transaction and your Ether will be sent to you in a few minutes. No emails or passwords. No lengthy sign-up process. No accounts. No limits.'' What are you after? |
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September 06, 2018, 08:11:08 PM |
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I've asked friends of mine from Interpol and Europol about this Company. They looked up cases related with this exchange but nothing shows up and this company address is fake. The Russians never ever corporate with Europol and Interpol that's what they told me. I've seen many Cases with russian exchanges and some of them reply Wallet onwer as Donald J Trump.
Hahaha - the most funny bullshit I’ve ever read. Funny shill. Friends from interpol lol. My friends Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin just called me to conmirm you are the shill of ni23457 No. I do not know him neither talked with him but one thing is clear that you are corrupt CEO of fraudulent exchange. If you have Guts, Send me your ID. I will give it to Putin and Trump then they will decide weather you are Salvic Nigga or not. |
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September 06, 2018, 08:30:11 PM |
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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.
We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.
As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.
on your website ''Receive your coins ChangeNOW will find the best rate on one of the ten integrated exchanges, process the transaction and your Ether will be sent to you in a few minutes. No emails or passwords. No lengthy sign-up process. No accounts. No limits.'' What are you after? Well this really begins to point more to a scam as the days go by and the OP still has not had his coins returned. 100 BCH is a around 11 BTC and that is a lot of money. The OP did not want to send ID and changenow mad eit clear they would not ask for it (as stated on their website) but the moment the OP sent the coins they asked for ID. They have a duty to send the coins back to the OP because they received the funds under false representation of their business. |
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September 06, 2018, 09:35:33 PM |
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Hello, everyone. We're here to clear everything up. Our automated verification system deemed this user's transaction suspicious, so we asked this user to provide some ID and the source of funds according to KYC guidelines, which, as you might know, every service on the market follows. In response to that, he sent us a fake ID picture which he self-admittedly got off of Google, because he, quote, "didn't take the service seriously". He also failed to provide any coherent information about the source of his funds. He did send us a different ID picture after some more talking to our support, but only after an investigation had been launched.
We mention the fact that we might ask the user to provide identification in case of a suspicious transaction in our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy, which this user also failed to familiarize himself with before using ChangeNOW.
As for the coins that we supposedly "stole": they have been moved to a cold storage where they will remain untouched until the investigation is complete. It’s been a number of times that we actually prevented theft of stolen funds this way. We hope that you understand our tactics and realize that we aren't interested in ripping our customers off just like that. Besides, our support team has repeatedly stated to this user that he will get his funds back after the situation clears up. Good day.
on your website ''Receive your coins ChangeNOW will find the best rate on one of the ten integrated exchanges, process the transaction and your Ether will be sent to you in a few minutes. No emails or passwords. No lengthy sign-up process. No accounts. No limits.'' What are you after? Well this really begins to point more to a scam as the days go by and the OP still has not had his coins returned. 100 BCH is a around 11 BTC and that is a lot of money. The OP did not want to send ID and changenow mad eit clear they would not ask for it (as stated on their website) but the moment the OP sent the coins they asked for ID. They have a duty to send the coins back to the OP because they received the funds under false representation of their business. As stated on their website? Really?? Man, they don’t have any mentioning of anonymity for a long time. What are you talking about? Did you see it yourself or you just believe ni23457 and his lies? |
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September 06, 2018, 10:38:08 PM |
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What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC
Caught doing what, there seems to be a presumption of guilt with no basis on events or even reasonable suspicion. We dont convict people of crimes by instantly asking them to prove us wrong in our prejudice against them. Modern society stopped doing this as a form of justice back when the Witch trials ended and since then its been seen as a mistake to assume malice or criminality by lack of knowledge. It ends up as nonsense with one section of society highjacking the other. The exchange returned the funds to sender, simple as that and no further explanation is required as its a reasonable reaction. They had no reason not to return something not belonging to them and they have no involvement in any transaction or any burden to prove themselves unassociated. If any details were provided to correlate to a crime then doing otherwise would make more sense |
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September 06, 2018, 10:50:48 PM |
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What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC
Caught doing what, there seems to be a presumption of guilt with no basis on events or even reasonable suspicion. We dont convict people of crimes by instantly asking them to prove us wrong in our prejudice against them. Modern society stopped doing this as a form of justice back when the Witch trials ended and since then its been seen as a mistake to assume malice or criminality by lack of knowledge. It ends up as nonsense with one section of society highjacking the other. The exchange returned the funds to sender, simple as that and no further explanation is required as its a reasonable reaction. They had no reason not to return something not belonging to them and they have no involvement in any transaction or any burden to prove themselves unassociated. If any details were provided to correlate to a crime then doing otherwise would make more sense I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol. |
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September 06, 2018, 11:49:08 PM |
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I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.
Interpol? This is an overreaction. The sender never wanted to send ID so he used an exchange (changenow) that made it clear they would ask for ID as they were "anonymous and limitless". They forced him in to a corner by asking for ID without offering to send his funds back if he did not want to proceed with the transaction. If they wanted ID they should have made it clear before the transaction took place. I will not use this pathetic changenow exchange and will never recommend it to anybody either. They have ruined their PR by trying to steal the OPs money using a fake reason. I totally thank and commend the OP for using his own money to buy ads on the thread to tell us all the changenow is a scam. |
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September 07, 2018, 05:19:45 AM |
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What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC
Caught doing what, there seems to be a presumption of guilt with no basis on events or even reasonable suspicion. We dont convict people of crimes by instantly asking them to prove us wrong in our prejudice against them. Modern society stopped doing this as a form of justice back when the Witch trials ended and since then its been seen as a mistake to assume malice or criminality by lack of knowledge. It ends up as nonsense with one section of society highjacking the other. The exchange returned the funds to sender, simple as that and no further explanation is required as its a reasonable reaction. They had no reason not to return something not belonging to them and they have no involvement in any transaction or any burden to prove themselves unassociated. If any details were provided to correlate to a crime then doing otherwise would make more sense There are many commentators who do not understand such obvious things. This "exchange" had no right to demand something by definition. |
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September 07, 2018, 05:25:09 AM |
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What a nonsense I read! Man, what are you trying to do, explain to us. This forum is not the place where you can blackmail those who caught you. Again:
1. You confused Changelly and ChangeNOW. Are you blind?
2. You sent someone else's documents. Why?
3. "I'm sorry I can not provide KYC" Why? Are you the first who must undergo this procedure?
4. You call them criminals because they caught you, discovering "a picture from Google". WTF!
5. "100 BCH was only the first small part" Show us the transaction.
Do you have any other facts?
If you do not want to exchange coins, then just return them back to the holder! If he refuses to be tested, is this not a logical decision? |
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matej krkic
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September 07, 2018, 08:18:50 AM
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I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.
Interpol? This is an overreaction. The sender never wanted to send ID so he used an exchange (changenow) that made it clear they would ask for ID as they were "anonymous and limitless". They forced him in to a corner by asking for ID without offering to send his funds back if he did not want to proceed with the transaction. If they wanted ID they should have made it clear before the transaction took place. I will not use this pathetic changenow exchange and will never recommend it to anybody either. They have ruined their PR by trying to steal the OPs money using a fake reason. I totally thank and commend the OP for using his own money to buy ads on the thread to tell us all the changenow is a scam. What’s wrong with you? There is no mentioning of anonymity at their website for a long time. February: https://web.archive.org/web/20180208161956/https://changenow.io/March: https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/ <--- no anonimity Why are you defending document forgery? It’s a crime If OP was sure in his rights why did he sent fake ID two times? Fake ID two times man! This is the crime. Imagine the situation: I come to buy apple in the supermarket and after giving a cash for it the cashier starts asking me for ID, "apple license" and other documents. I'm 100 sure that this action is illegal. I will just call a police or administrator of the supermarket. I will not brake the law myself. I will not fight with cashier, I will not treat the cashier with the gun. It's stupid and illegal. |
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matej krkic
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September 07, 2018, 09:01:52 AM |
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What's wrong? Are you afraid of europol? It's normal reaction on 2 attempts of document forgery and lots of treats and lies in the internet from anonymous troll. >1. create the impression of an anonymous exchanger When you visited the site their was no mentioning of anonymity. https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/ |
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Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange.
I did not send a fake documents. I opened a Google images and sent them JPG file like this:  My young cute users, there is not one country in the world where JPG image sent by email could be called a document so I have the right to send any images I want And it was absolutely the right decision. They are not a COMPANY, it's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people from Russia. https://postimg.cc/image/i8a8z5nj5/https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/https://postimg.cc/image/b52djluz5/https://postimg.cc/image/6j69bhmdd/https://postimg.cc/image/9d9eoze9tOnly an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake. |
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September 07, 2018, 10:21:07 AM |
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What about the second attempt of document forgery? Why don’t you mention it? |
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Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.
Well, write us, what are your views on the solution of this problem. What are you waiting for? I really do not understand you. You send other people's documents, as written here, 2 times. Then, you refuse the video call ... Maybe your coins do not need you, or how to understand that you do not take any legal action to prove the right to them. And I still did not see your transaction and wallet. |
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September 07, 2018, 10:44:30 AM |
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I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.
Interpol? This is an overreaction. The sender never wanted to send ID so he used an exchange (changenow) that made it clear they would ask for ID as they were "anonymous and limitless". They forced him in to a corner by asking for ID without offering to send his funds back if he did not want to proceed with the transaction. If they wanted ID they should have made it clear before the transaction took place. I will not use this pathetic changenow exchange and will never recommend it to anybody either. They have ruined their PR by trying to steal the OPs money using a fake reason. I totally thank and commend the OP for using his own money to buy ads on the thread to tell us all the changenow is a scam. What’s wrong with you? There is no mentioning of anonymity at their website for a long time. February: https://web.archive.org/web/20180208161956/https://changenow.io/March: https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/ <--- no anonimity Why are you defending document forgery? It’s a crime If OP was sure in his rights why did he sent fake ID two times? Fake ID two times man! This is the crime. Imagine the situation: I come to buy apple in the supermarket and after giving a cash for it the cashier starts asking me for ID, "apple license" and other documents. I'm 100 sure that this action is illegal. I will just call a police or administrator of the supermarket. I will not brake the law myself. I will not fight with cashier, I will not treat the cashier with the gun. It's stupid and illegal. I am not defending the OP but am looking at this from a purely unbiased view. Here is what the OP did: He sent crypto to have it swapped believing he did not have to send ID Here is what changenow did: They kept his crypto and will not release it until he sends ID and completes a video call The OP rightfully says the crypto should have been returned to him when told them he did not want to send ID. They made it clear they would not release his crypto unless he sent ID. He became suspicious and decided against it, sent some ID from googleimages. Changenow then decided to ask for ID and video call to verify before releasing the crypto that they never owned in the first place. Pathetic. I am with the OP on this matter. It has been complicated further by the scandalous conduct by changenow. Sure the OP should never have sent fake ID but he should never have been asked to send ID anyway because changenow claims to be "anonymous and limitless". If changenow are not scammers then in order to save future hassles changenow should continue allow all customers to continue swapping as normal but when customers try to swap an amount above their automatic threshold for ID they should show an alert to the customer notifying customers that if they proceed they need to send ID within6/12/18/24 hours etc. Simple resolution to avoid future issues. |
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September 07, 2018, 10:46:38 AM |
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What about the second attempt of document forgery? Why don’t you mention it? Ahhha:D Donald Trump document forgery:D Its document really  Guys you made my day i go on guys !! Fight i wanna see whats next  But seriously this issue is between you 2. Nobody else cant even involve or help you guys! And more you keep this discussion going on the more funny this whole story will be. |
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September 07, 2018, 10:55:10 AM |
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What about the second attempt of document forgery? Why don’t you mention it? Ahhha:D Donald Trump document forgery:D Its document really Guys you made my day i go on guys !! Fight i wanna see whats next But seriously this issue is between you 2. Nobody else cant even involve or help you guys! And more you keep this discussion going on the more funny this whole story will be. But honestly this is document. By law its cassufied as document. And if seek help from goverment to get back your bch then they will ask you where did you got this bch.. And crypto currency is subject to the law as asset. You must declare your crypto income to the irs. People will be hunted down all around the world if they refuse to obey the main law in the world wich is usa tax laws. Its sounds like bs but this is how it is dont forget that goverment is run by criminals too. Laws are made for you to make sure you cant make any progress with anything and to take from you everything with legal methods. I know many stories when usa goverment will take everything from crypto currency users and accusing them as fraudsters or tax invader. |
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