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September 17, 2018, 09:40:46 PM
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> Why do you continue to attack the OP just because he does not want to send ID

Mostly because he is spreading lies. Also for treats and swearing in PM. He is very brave in PM but in public communication he lies.

Changenow were not caught on lies but they are definitely not disclosing all the information regarding that case. And I never received treats and swerings in PM from changnow team.

That's why I'm behaving this way. Everything is as logical as possible.

You are holding the OPs money because you dont like the way he talks? You can't keep his money because you say you have suspicions about how he earned it. If you have no evidence you have to return the money. You are just inventing excuses. You are a scammer.

Why accusing him to holding OP funds?
Maybe he gave to law enforcement allready to them to do federal investigation?
Or maybe he exchanged this bch for other coins ?
To himself something nice ....or they keep his coins still safe?
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September 17, 2018, 09:44:00 PM
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Now i undestood OP might be involved in some serious crimes? Like ico exit scam ?
Bitcointalk.org simply not place for criminals !!
Now im scared...im together in same forum with some dangerous money lounder and criminal.
Bitcointalk should be for honest crypto business people only. Criminals should be in jail not here terrorising honest people

And you think changenow are not scammers?

We know your opinion of the OP but what are you opinions about changenow?


I think changenow allready spended his money..he bought 10 t. Vodka and all his village is now drunk...i guess so cox what else they will do? They buy some vodka to make sure everybody will be drunk..i guess whole village will be drinling now
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September 17, 2018, 09:45:52 PM
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At least Changenow should send to OP some good vodka Smiley coz OP lost his money its best time to start drink now for him Smiley
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September 18, 2018, 06:41:23 AM
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@Polina_ChangeNOW - this is my fourth request

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

Kindly reply. Your reply is overdue.


Hello. I haven't replied to you because I don't work on weekends; me managing ChangeNOW's marketing and PR affairs is a regular job for me and I believe that I'm entitled to days off.
We have our own legal team and also employ some outsourced legal consultants. I'm not sure I'm allowed to disclose their names, though.

That is exactly the reply I was expecting. In the end you will not give out any information to keep your anonymity while asking customers and users to compromise theirs?

Shame on you. You tried to scam the OP but he humiliated your nonsense scam exchange company. Thanks to the OP we all know your connection to Evercode and Atomic Swaps.

Bunch of shameless scammers, you kept his money for over 2 months and you intend to hold on to it by scamming. There is no contact between you and Europol or Interpol. You do not even have a legal department.

This. Nobody knows anything about them, except what the op has managed to get from his own private investigations. Ask them anything and they hide behind anonymity while demanding AML/KYC. No known office, no known team members and founders, no known staff, except Polina that operates via telegram and on forums. Who runs a legitimate business like this? Not a serious one.

@changenow, could you please provide your lawyer's information? A real life lawyer that represents Changenow.io in any capacity? Or would they rather remain anonymous and can meet up only at blockchain conferences? Your company is a joke and I am certain you are scammers.
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September 18, 2018, 08:51:35 AM
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Nobody knows anything about them, except what the op has managed to get from his own private investigations.

Well, who is the OP? What do we know about him? Nothing! You're talking about private investigation Smiley Say thanks to Google!  Changenow does not hide, they are public, unlike OP, he only complains to everyone on this forum, did not provide any real evidence. Once again I repeat what made this idiot send a fake ID twice? Twice!!! And now he imagines himself a fighter for justice... Ridiculous...

Now, the information of the exchange attorney is needed here, but for some reason it's not interesting for anyone to see the OP transaction, his wallet. I would like to take a look, I think that his wallet will tell us a lot about his real life, for example, the relationship with Privcoin...
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September 18, 2018, 09:09:10 AM
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the relationship with Privcoin...

you'll answer for your scam with voyagerapp ico.

I'm just confused  Grin

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September 18, 2018, 09:12:43 AM
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Nobody knows anything about them, except what the op has managed to get from his own private investigations.

Well, who is the OP? What do we know about him? Nothing! You're talking about private investigation Smiley Say thanks to Google!  Changenow does not hide, they are public, unlike OP, he only complains to everyone on this forum, did not provide any real evidence. Once again I repeat what made this idiot send a fake ID twice? Twice!!! And now he imagines himself a fighter for justice... Ridiculous...

Now, the information of the exchange attorney is needed here, but for some reason it's not interesting for anyone to see the OP transaction, his wallet. I would like to take a look, I think that his wallet will tell us a lot about his real life, for example, the relationship with Privcoin...

They are not public. Since you know them so well, could you please provide any information about them? Who are their founders? Where is their office? I don't mean their registration or mailing address. Do you know anything about any of their staff members? I bet the answer is no. Nobody can name a single person behind this exchange, except somebody calling themself Polina. WTF?

The op has refused KYC, it his is right. Changenow cannot compel him to. And here is why:

CHANGENOW ARE ANONYMOUS PEOPLE! IT IS INSANE TO SEND PRIVATE INFORMATION TO ANONYMOUS PEOPLE!

Hopefully your thick skull can process that.

I don't need to know the op and neither do you. This, because he is not asking me for deposits or asking for my trust. I could care less who he is. If he has committed a crime, then the onus is on changenow to come out and say so and report the matter to the authorities. My guess is they never will. The only thing they have on the op, is sending fake id twice. That does not justify stealing $70K

Not that its my business, but if the op has any relationship with Privcoin, don't you think Changenow would know by now? They have the depositing address, and there are a lot of tools out here to analyze such data. If the op has broken any laws, it is up to Chagenow to come out and say so, otherwise all your assertions are bullshit.

It is our right as a community to dig deep and find out who Changenow are. They are the ones asking us to trust them with our deposits. They are the ones demanding AML/KYC. And yet they want to remain anonymous. Please think before spouting your rubbish.

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September 18, 2018, 09:21:21 AM
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This. Nobody knows anything about them, except what the op has managed to get from his own private investigations. Ask them anything and they hide behind anonymity while demanding AML/KYC. No known office, no known team members and founders, no known staff, except Polina that operates via telegram and on forums. Who runs a legitimate business like this? Not a serious one.

@changenow, could you please provide your lawyer's information? A real life lawyer that represents Changenow.io in any capacity? Or would they rather remain anonymous and can meet up only at blockchain conferences? Your company is a joke and I am certain you are scammers.

Polina_ChangeNOW has gone quiet ever since asking for her lawyers details. The same way Atomic Swaps mouthpieces went quiet too. Thanks to the OP we know they are somehow interconnected. The best thing I did was to delete the Atomic Swaps after reading the great work supplied by the OP.

We still wait for Polina_ChangeNOW to give an answer to your post.

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September 18, 2018, 10:10:44 AM
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Since you know them so well, could you please provide any information about them? Who are their founders?

Well, again, I am accused of the relationship with the exchange, only because I do not say "thank you, generous and noble OP". You are crazy? Yes, I have my views on this situation, and I do not hide the fact that I consider OP guilty of this problem. Most exchanges will be requested from you by KYC if the daily limit is exceeded (on average 2 BTC), and OP changed the equivalent of 11 BTC! This is the first fact. Fact number 2: Mr. Nobility sends a picture from Google. The question is, why did'nt he immediately, before sending pictures, create a theme about "fraud" here? Why he sent fake twice? The main noise - "bad exchange, offends such a good OP."


That does not justify stealing $70K

If you are not redneck, you should know such an expression as "presumption of innocence". What theft you say, you blockhead.
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September 18, 2018, 10:50:48 AM
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Since you know them so well, could you please provide any information about them? Who are their founders?

Well, again, I am accused of the relationship with the exchange, only because I do not say "thank you, generous and noble OP". You are crazy? Yes, I have my views on this situation, and I do not hide the fact that I consider OP guilty of this problem. Most exchanges will be requested from you by KYC if the daily limit is exceeded (on average 2 BTC), and OP changed the equivalent of 11 BTC! This is the first fact. Fact number 2: Mr. Nobility sends a picture from Google. The question is, why did'nt he immediately, before sending pictures, create a theme about "fraud" here? Why he sent fake twice? The main noise - "bad exchange, offends such a good OP."


That does not justify stealing $70K

If you are not redneck, you should know such an expression as "presumption of innocence". What theft you say, you blockhead.


Redneck maybe, block head NO!  Grin

You're a know nothing, low IQ individual, and I'll give you a quick example why.

Let us pretend for a minute that the op and Privcoin are one and the same.

The op sends the 1st payment, the exchange is blocked, and the funds are stolen by Changenow.

Changenow proceeds to ask the op for verification, which he has so far refused.

The op then tries another exchange and makes another payment to Changenow. This, knowing fully well that the funds could be stolen and KYC demanded.

You see how stupid you sound? When I called you that, I did not use the word lightly or mean it as an insult. I said it because you are indeed stupid.

Have a nice day.
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September 18, 2018, 10:51:29 AM
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Most exchanges will be requested from you by KYC if the daily limit is exceeded (on average 2 BTC),
Yes, but your Changelly had no such problems earlier(there are hundreds of BTC earlier) and I confused them. But your proxy ChangeNOW was too stupid and now your St Petersburg bunch does not know how to save face.



Fact number 2: Mr. Nobility sends a picture from Google. The question is, why did'nt he immediately, before sending pictures, create a theme about "fraud" here? Why he sent fake twice? The main noise - "bad exchange, offends such a good OP."
Of course, I wanted these servants to fall behind me quickly Grin But like I said, they were too stupid and they pulled to the bottom not only themselves but also Changelly, Atomic and Guarda

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September 18, 2018, 10:59:32 AM
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This information means a lot to newbies and those unaware of how these scammers work by taking in your funds then "freezing" them by saying citing AML/KYC. Even after ID verification is complete these scammers refuse to release funds.

Thanks to the OP we are all better off now we can avoid these scammers.

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September 18, 2018, 11:19:29 AM
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Yes, but your Changelly had no such problems earlier
Changelly is not mine, like changenow and the rest.

Of course, I wanted these servants to fall behind me quickly Grin

Your words make me think that I'm in dialogue with an idiot. If you sent them a photo of your ass, you would be right, because if you follow your logic, it was the ass that replaced your head. You can leave the words and say directly what was the need to send fake IDs 2 times?

Now about serious. Did not you know that the exchange of such amount will not pass? There is no exchange that would do this without demanding KYC. Man, you start to amuse me, trying to make yourself a naive idiot. I'm not 10 years old, psychology is my profession, so it's ridiculous for me to see how you insert links to your "investigations" in each of your messages. True, it's very childish.
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September 18, 2018, 11:27:52 AM
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I'm not 10 years old, psychology is my profession, so it's ridiculous for me to see how you insert links to your "investigations" in each of your messages. True, it's very childish.


LOL! I"ve heard it all in this thread. Ladies and gents, we have a psychologist in our midst? Professional in what if I may ask? Scamming? LOL! dang your ego, little man.
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Changelly is not mine, like changenow and the rest.
No, it's yours. You as well as second idiot matej krkic are representatives of this St. Petersburg bunch and you receives money for your stupid trolling


Now about serious. Did not you know that the exchange of such amount will not pass? There is no exchange that would do this without demanding KYC.
Yes, your Changelly. I never passed KYC there but I have whitelisted account and exchanged hundreds of BTC. I'm sure you know about it but you are just peace of crap and you will continue to spread your shit


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September 18, 2018, 12:17:27 PM
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Yes, your Changelly. I never passed KYC there but I have whitelisted account and exchanged hundreds of BTC.

I exchanged millions of BTC, and yesterday in my backyard landed landing Martians ... These are just words, nothing more. Interestingly, you exchanged "hundreds of BTC" for Changelly, that is, everything was OK, and now, you are accusing them of collaborating with ChangeNow, everything is already bad... Correct? I do not understand why now you're blaming something Changelly...

No, it's yours. You as well as second idiot matej krkic are representatives of this St. Petersburg bunch and you receives money for your stupid trolling

You talk too much unnecessary words, moving away from a direct answer. You called me troll because I disagree with you. Probably, you had a difficult childhood, no one paid any attention to you, did not take your shit opinion into account, and now everyone who disagrees, becomes trolls. True? Just answer:

What was the need to send fake IDs 2 times?
 
Tell your friend Bazinga442 that the opinion of people with a liquid brain does not interest me.
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September 18, 2018, 12:24:51 PM
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I'm not 10 years old, psychology is my profession, so it's ridiculous for me to see how you insert links to your "investigations" in each of your messages. True, it's very childish.


LOL! I"ve head it all in this thread. Ladies and gents, we have a psychologist in our midst? Professional in what if I may ask? Scamming? LOL! dang your ego, little man.

 Grin

At least this thread has some humour considering having 110 BCH is no laughing matter at all.

The only good thing to come of this nonsense so far is that changenow/evercode/atomic swaps are not to be trusted and we can all thank the OP for his excellent work for bringing it to our attention.

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September 18, 2018, 12:31:40 PM
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And you think changenow are not scammers?


Of course ChangeNow is a SCAM, they just stole $70,000 and are hiding behind a non-existent legal team.

As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.


There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW

Thank you very much!
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September 18, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP...
What legal grounds are you talking about?

For example, you can read here:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/effect-of-forgery-on-a-contract-37071

«Basics of Forgery
Forgery is usually considered a crime when a person creates a false document or alters a genuine one with the intent to defraud. Some criminal statutes also require the person making the forgery to benefit from it in some way. For example, someone may change a check worth $100 to $1,000. If a person makes a forgery, he or she may be subject to criminal punishment, including imprisonment or a fine. Additionally, he or she may face civil liability.»


https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/penalty-for-forgery.cfm

«With the intent to defraud
In order to be guilty of forgery, the defendant must have intended to defraud someone or some entity, such as a government agency (though the fraud need not have been completed). This element prevents people who possess or sign fraudulent documents, without knowing that the documents are false, from being subject to criminal liability. For instance, if you purchase a used car, but later find out that the title to the car was forged by the seller, you would not be subject to forgery charges for the possession of the forged title because you had no intent to defraud.»


By the way, as I understand, the exchange is a legal entity, right? What do you say now?
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP...
What legal grounds are you talking about?

For example, you can read here:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/effect-of-forgery-on-a-contract-37071

«Basics of Forgery
Forgery is usually considered a crime when a person creates a false document or alters a genuine one with the intent to defraud. Some criminal statutes also require the person making the forgery to benefit from it in some way. For example, someone may change a check worth $100 to $1,000. If a person makes a forgery, he or she may be subject to criminal punishment, including imprisonment or a fine. Additionally, he or she may face civil liability.»


https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/penalty-for-forgery.cfm

«With the intent to defraud
In order to be guilty of forgery, the defendant must have intended to defraud someone or some entity, such as a government agency (though the fraud need not have been completed). This element prevents people who possess or sign fraudulent documents, without knowing that the documents are false, from being subject to criminal liability. For instance, if you purchase a used car, but later find out that the title to the car was forged by the seller, you would not be subject to forgery charges for the possession of the forged title because you had no intent to defraud.»


By the way, as I understand, the exchange is a legal entity, right? What do you say now?

oi, naughty professor cum psychologist. Are you a lawyer now too? Your exchange is illegal and that's why the OP has exercised his rights by refusing to send you his documents. You are not just operating illegally, you keep hiding behind anonymity, which raises red flags. If I opened an exchange tomorrow and asked for your ID, would you send it to me? You don't seem to understand the fact your exchange is operating illegally uh?

And by the way doctor, I see an earlier poster called you out on your stupidity. And within a few minutes you were here beating your chest, trying to claim things you are not. We see through you doc, but will indulge your little fantasies. Even though you are nothing more than a useless shitposter, cum shill, cum scammer.

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