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Author Topic: ChangeNow.io (Evercode Lab) - Scam. Illegally holding of 100 BCH (11 bitcoins).  (Read 16641 times)
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September 14, 2018, 09:12:28 PM
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They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.


The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that
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September 14, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
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They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.


The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that

I’ve read the story about “russian hackers” and the screenshots of you “conversation” with “Voyager CEO”....This is really amazing, I laughed few hours... I think even at school I wouldn’t believe this. I mean... account with 10 posts is really a good target for russian hackers hahahaha!

Ni23457, please don’t think people are as dumb as you are
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September 14, 2018, 09:33:14 PM
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They are talking about my account that was illegally used and hacked by Russian hackers to promote voyagerapp that is a scam, I am not related to that scam nor to the OP. They are looking for any hint to legitimize their theft.


The frustration and anger of the OP is evident, every scammer has a point of no return, where it is more convenient to keep the money than to return it, and that point crossed. For them their website has lost all credibility, it's clearly a selective scam, and they will not return the money unless you find expose and report them. Good luck with that

I’ve read the story about “russian hackers” and the screenshots of you “conversation” with “Voyager CEO”....This is really amazing, I laughed few hours... I think even at school I wouldn’t believe this.

Ni23457, please don’t think people are as dumb as you are

Voyagerapp scam is still open, in fact they are not yet a scam proper mind  except that his admin admitted it. although I will try that nobody accept them in any exchange, and I was the only one who reported it. I'm the only account that has denounced that scam. And from that complaint you relate me to the scam and then to the OP. And you mount a whole conspiracy to steal the OP money, I have come to this post by the red banner in this forum, thousands of people will read this even if they do not comment, and for anyone it is clear that you are looking for any way to legitimize your theft. But think a little before mixing others in your shit with such absurd assumptions.
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September 14, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
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Why the hell are you placing banner ads with scam in the middle of projects threads ? Disgrace
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September 14, 2018, 11:20:52 PM
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@Polina_ChangeNOW

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

You did not reply to my previous request: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg45690092#msg45690092

Waiting for your reply, thank you.

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September 16, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
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I just saw the advertisement and  I just  read the whole topic  ( The 21 pages) ,one thing is very very supicious to  me : Why the OP doesn't want to fulfil the KYC process ?
Seriously,if it was me, I would  have sent  any document to get this huge amount of money back ... 
But I can  understand OP, there are a lot of  horror stories about stolen documents... 

OP : If you   think you  have done nothing wrong,  Go to Russia,  if you are powerful, the police will investigate this case  seriously
If Changenow is involved  in illegal activites,  they will be sent to  the gulag 
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September 16, 2018, 07:49:18 PM
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I just saw the advertisement and  I just  read the whole topic  ( The 21 pages) ,one thing is very very supicious to  me : Why the OP doesn't want to fulfil the KYC process ?
Seriously,if it was me, I would  have sent  any document to get this huge amount of money back ... 
But I can  understand OP, there are a lot of  horror stories about stolen documents... 

OP : If you   think you  have done nothing wrong,  Go to Russia,  if you are powerful, the police will investigate this case  seriously
If Changenow is involved  in illegal activites,  they will be sent to  the gulag 

Because they made it clear they would want ID for AML/KYC when the trade was made. After he sent the funds they forced him to send ID. The OP was right in not wanting to send his ID to changenow because it appears they are selective scamming and because of the OP (who spent his funds on buying ads to inform us of the changenow scam), we all owe him a big thanks.

Everybody should avoid changenow

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September 16, 2018, 07:50:51 PM
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The CASE is  pretty clear for me  :  ChangeNow want to steal the money of a   Scammer  Grin   Grin Grin

They are both scammers  Cool

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September 16, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
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one thing is very very supicious to  me : Why the OP doesn't want to fulfil the KYC process ?
I'm not someone's slave. I do not follow the illegal orders of pathetic people.
And these people are really pathetic. If you really read 21 pages, then you must understand this (if not, then tell me, I'll try to convince you)



Seriously,if it was me, I would  have sent  any document to get this huge amount of money back ...  
It's not a really huge amount for me. I want justice. I want every service to know their place and never go beyond their rights.


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September 16, 2018, 08:16:17 PM
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The CASE is  pretty clear for me  :  ChangeNow want to steal the money of a   Scammer  Grin   Grin Grin

They are both scammers  Cool

The OP never scammed anybody.

Changenow scammed the OP.

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September 16, 2018, 08:47:06 PM
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Can anyone explain me with this guy : matej krkic       has  defended for several months Changenow Huh

He should be tagged, he definitly deserve a red trust

Anoyone who defend  changenow, deserve a red trust and must be banned from there
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September 16, 2018, 08:53:27 PM
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Can anyone explain me with this guy : matej krkic       has  defended for several months Changenow Huh

He should be tagged, he definitly deserve a red trust

Anoyone who defend  changenow, deserve a red trust and must be banned from there

I think matej krkic has highlighted both failings of changenow as well as the OP. He believes changenow has sent a file to Europol/Interpol but it is so clear that changenow have done nothing of the sort.

@Polina_ChangeNOW - this is my third request, you have not replied to any of them

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

Waiting for your reply, thank you.

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September 17, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
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The CASE is  pretty clear for me  :  ChangeNow want to steal the money of a   Scammer  Grin   Grin Grin

They are both scammers  Cool

The OP never scammed anybody.

Changenow scammed the OP.

How do you know that he never scammed? I'm sure he is a scammer. He is afraid even to disclose his wallet address. Also taking into account his "facts" and "evidences" and all his bullshit about changenow connections I'm 100% sure he doesn't understand crypto market at all. His knowledge of the market is very very very poor. He can't be the early investor. You should be very stupid to believe him about that...


Can anyone explain me with this guy : matej krkic       has  defended for several months Changenow Huh

He should be tagged, he definitly deserve a red trust

Anoyone who defend  changenow, deserve a red trust and must be banned from there

At the beginning of this story I made some statements against ni23457 position. It's pretty normal when people have different positions on some questions.
But as a result I received a lot of private messages from him with treats and swearings. He is crazy and sick. Now I defend my position as I previously mentioned: ni23457 is a scammer.
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September 17, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
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Can anyone explain me with this guy : matej krkic       has  defended for several months Changenow Huh

He should be tagged, he definitly deserve a red trust

Anoyone who defend  changenow, deserve a red trust and must be banned from there

At the beginning of this story I made some statements against ni23457 position. It's pretty normal when people have different positions on some questions.
But as a result I received a lot of private messages from him with treats and swearings. He is crazy and sick. Now I defend my position as I previously mentioned: ni23457 is a scammer.

 Grin

2 Russian persons leaving negative feedback within 2 days and only they do it. Why no one else needs this but only these two persons?
crazy_elky https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1776263


Also look at these interesting dialogues between fakes.
Zalaster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2081838 (also from Russia)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg43821364#msg43821364

Vizefog https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361566
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg44781498#msg44781498


They all equally accuse me of stealing money(BUT WHY? HOW COULD I STOLE IT (AT LEAST THEORETICALLY)?). When I answer them, they do not accept the answer, and start to repeat everything again.



What is the purpose of this? This is done so that by their flow of shit close everything. And no one wants to touch this shit because their normal messages will be hidden by a dozen of these crap.


I do not understand why does the moderator, to whom I send dozens of reports, do nothing?

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September 17, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
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So you think that this is an "evidence" of something?
Let's find out something about you my friend....And vizefod has already done that.

Ok, this is very interesting, but why do you write these stories every time about changing policies, without indicating that you sent a fake ID. Man, if you did not know, a change of policy is a common thing in business. I again ask, why did you send the FAKE ID? Can you answer?

And I repost this message because it might not have been seen  because of the paid trolls:

I'll explain to you what the paid trolls are. Look

So, if ni23457 started saying that someone is buying someone, I will remind you that Mr. ni23457 has an army of bots in Reddit that spread false information.

https://www.reddit.com/u/andyrgreig
https://www.reddit.com/u/asherx
https://www.reddit.com/user/Bronnylee
https://www.reddit.com/u/dbroncoboy
https://www.reddit.com/u/gabyshinn
https://www.reddit.com/u/iseoranker
https://www.reddit.com/u/kanetreble
https://www.reddit.com/u/nekomisa
https://www.reddit.com/u/primeaudio
https://www.reddit.com/u/radakito
https://www.reddit.com/u/rashonski
https://www.reddit.com/u/redshreds
https://www.reddit.com/u/spagrspagr
https://www.reddit.com/u/yusuef

They write the same, only what that want ni23457. So he tries to force changenow to return him BTC without checking his identity. Is not this blackmail?

In addition, he bought advertising here on BCT. Guys, he does not warn us, he does it in order to spoil the reputation of the exchange. I advise everyone to thoroughly study this story. ni23457 had not just a mistake, sending someone else's documents. He did it consciously! He hides his identity. Why? Who is he afraid of? What he says = nonsense, he's another fraudster, laundering money.

Further Medium. Here are 4 people who write the same thing:

https://medium.com/@petitefemmeforte — petite nana
https://medium.com/@HallerManjbrian — stephen haller
https://medium.com/@paulmcglynn25 — Paul McGlynn
https://medium.com/@mananaduboi Manon Dubois

On BCT:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246196 - bitcoinewman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2374957 - Norinma
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2352582 - veronicasmithen03
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2376982 - isintel
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188 - Bazinga442

All of them blame ChangeNOW. Nothing else.
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September 17, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
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So you think that this is an "evidence" of something?
Let's find out something about you my friend....And vizefod has already done that.

 Grin

So why do YOU use personal shills and payed posts? You was caught few times on that.
There are no paid messages on this forum. Show me at least one.

As for the rest of the Internet. Yes, I already spent about 6 thousand dollars to make this situation more famous. I talked about this at the very beginning. I said that I will spend 70 thousand dollars, but I will not just leave it.


PS: As I said, nobody writes at this forum for money. I do not need it. I have enough time to write here myself.
>bitcoinewman, Norinma, veronicasmithen03, isintel, Bazinga442
Who is it? Where are their daily messages? I remember only Bazinga442. If someone pays to him, then why does not this lazy person write here every day?  Grin

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September 17, 2018, 11:10:54 AM
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As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.


There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW

@Polina_ChangeNOW - you've missed to answer my question the last time. Would you mind to take the time and reply, please?

It would be a nice to see the answers for those questions too:

@Polina_ChangeNOW

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

You did not reply to my previous request: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619534.msg45690092#msg45690092

Waiting for your reply, thank you.

Thank you very much!
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September 17, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
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How do you know that he never scammed? I'm sure he is a scammer. He is afraid even to disclose his wallet address. Also taking into account his "facts" and "evidences" and all his bullshit about changenow connections I'm 100% sure he doesn't understand crypto market at all. His knowledge of the market is very very very poor. He can't be the early investor. You should be very stupid to believe him about that...[/b

Where is your evidence? How are you sure? Why do you continue to attack the OP just because he does not want to send ID to a company that selective scams?

Why are your posts not "sure" about changenow scamming?

I asked Polina_ChangeNOW three times for information about:

* the name of changenow lawyer
* the name of their legal firm
* the address of their legal firm

 but Polina_ChangeNOW has not returned to answer.

Why did you not post saying you are sure changenow are scammers?

We are waiting to see your posts citing changenow are scammers....


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September 17, 2018, 11:37:04 AM
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> Why do you continue to attack the OP just because he does not want to send ID

Mostly because he is spreading lies. Also for treats and swearing in PM. He is very brave in PM but in public communication he lies.

Changenow were not caught on lies but they are definitely not disclosing all the information regarding that case. And I never received treats and swerings in PM from changnow team.

That's why I'm behaving this way. Everything is as logical as possible.
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September 17, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
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> Why do you continue to attack the OP just because he does not want to send ID

Mostly because he is spreading lies. Also for treats and swearing in PM. He is very brave in PM but in public communication he lies.

Changenow were not caught on lies but they are definitely not disclosing all the information regarding that case. And I never received treats and swerings in PM from changnow team.

That's why I'm behaving this way. Everything is as logical as possible.

Ok I read what you wrote and want to thank you for posting. I respect your views but completely reject them.

What is stopping you from posting here asking why changenow are not replying to my request?

* the name of changenow lawyer
* the name of their legal firm
* the address of their legal firm

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