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September 06, 2018, 02:09:54 PM
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Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

That is my first thought, I do agree with you.   They can comply with KYC and just refuse to do business with this individual not known to them, if thats the problem they raise.

Its basically nonsense, crypto used to be free of this red tape highjacking and now its become a travisty like the rest of every corporate enterprise that sits below government.

Its perfectly straightforward to reject a received value and return to sender.  Unless they absolutely know these funds are illegal and are certain to contact authorities to pass over funds.  If there was some strong suspicion or evidence, I can understand every business has an unstated purpose to stay legal and within the boundaries of the law of the country its situated in.   Thats not a point that needs to be argued, companies dont wish to put themselves at risk so its justified.

   To disappear with someone elses value indefinitely and benefit your own interests with this value, thats easily observable as corrupt and should not be allowed to pass without notice from the wider community.  


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September 06, 2018, 02:14:00 PM
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>The logic of being able to seize funds is wrong to begin with.   Taxing the amount by 50% as a fee to return it like some hostage negotiation would be slightly ridiculous.

Totally agree. They should either proceed this issue to some authority (including the information about the frozen coins) or return the coins. But the second opinion seems to be not the best one...Below is the answer why.

> Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

Imagine that in some time interpol will come to them and ask for the information related to this transaction. This is not a rare case in crypto. What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC, he sent fake documents 2 times, we decided to release the funds"? Really? In this case I'm sure the owners of the exchange will end their crypto career as A. Vinnik from ex btc-e.
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September 06, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
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>The logic of being able to seize funds is wrong to begin with.   Taxing the amount by 50% as a fee to return it like some hostage negotiation would be slightly ridiculous.

Totally agree. They should either proceed this issue to some authority (including the information about the frozen coins) or return the coins. But the second opinion seems to be not the best one...Below is the answer why.

> Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

Imagine that in some time interpol will come to them and ask for the information related to this transaction. This is not a rare case in crypto. What should the exchange answer? "We caught the user, asked him for KYC, he sent fake documents 2 times, we decided to release the funds"? Really? In this case I'm sure the owners of the exchange will end their crypto career as A. Vinnik from ex btc-e.

Good point. You should contact with the law enforcement immediately when you suspect suspicous person.
They will take right action and will bring the justice.
This funds might be gains from cyber ransom or anything.
But this is law enforcement job  to find out.
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September 06, 2018, 02:39:34 PM
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Crypto exchangers ask for KYC not because they want to seize someones money but because the really DO receive interpol and europol requests. Nobody wants to deal with interpol and europol.

In this case I think the best solution for OP is to find someone who is ready to pass KYC instead of him (if he is afraid to do it himself).
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September 06, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
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Why not just return the funds to the address they were received from? That should settle it.

That is my first thought, I do agree with you.   They can comply with KYC and just refuse to do business with this individual not known to them, if thats the problem they raise.

Its basically nonsense, crypto used to be free of this red tape highjacking and now its become a travisty like the rest of every corporate enterprise that sits below government.

Its perfectly straightforward to reject a received value and return to sender.  Unless they absolutely know these funds are illegal and are certain to contact authorities to pass over funds.  If there was some strong suspicion or evidence, I can understand every business has an unstated purpose to stay legal and within the boundaries of the law of the country its situated in.   Thats not a point that needs to be argued, companies dont wish to put themselves at risk so its justified.

   To disappear with someone elses value indefinitely and benefit your own interests with this value, thats easily observable as corrupt and should not be allowed to pass without notice from the wider community.  

Thank you for the post. What you say is 100% true. Until or unless this situation is resolved they changenow exchange is holding "11 BTC for free" probably in the hope they will keep it (ie scam the sender). Surely they should return the funds and avoid more negative publicity.

This conduct by the changenow team reminds me of the time years ago when a popular and famous exchange screwed its investors by doing the same thing in asking for ID. They would not allow users to log in when resetting their passwords. The exchange was eventually closed, it was scam and investors lost everything. I am not saying changenow will close down, I am not even saying they are a scam outfit but what they are doing to this "customer" of theirs is an overkill. None of it is is important.

Kudos to the OP who paid for this bitcointalk forum to display his ads highlighting the way he was treated by changenow. Much respect to him.

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September 06, 2018, 03:14:46 PM
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If an exchange that does not work legally requires documents, then you can wait for gangsters at the doorstep of your house!   Grin
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If an exchange that does not work legally requires documents, then you can wait for gangsters at the doorstep of your house!   Grin

Cmon..gangsters have better things to do lol Cheesy
Its not 90s anymore lol Cheesy
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September 06, 2018, 03:57:44 PM
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Kudos to the OP who paid for this bitcointalk forum to display his ads highlighting the way he was treated by changenow. Much respect to him.

OP paid not to warn someone, no! This is an information war against the exchange. He wants to force the exchange to surrender, that is, to give 100 BCH without KYC. Agree, this problem would not have been if the OP had taken this seriously. He says:

I took an image with someone's passport from google-images and sent them.

Tell me, who, if not the person who has something to hide, will do it? In addition, he has not yet provided these documents. Ask yourself why?
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September 06, 2018, 04:19:36 PM
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Kudos to the OP who paid for this bitcointalk forum to display his ads highlighting the way he was treated by changenow. Much respect to him.

OP paid not to warn someone, no! This is an information war against the exchange. He wants to force the exchange to surrender, that is, to give 100 BCH without KYC. Agree, this problem would not have been if the OP had taken this seriously. He says:

I took an image with someone's passport from google-images and sent them.

Tell me, who, if not the person who has something to hide, will do it? In addition, he has not yet provided these documents. Ask yourself why?

I would never send my ID to these exchanges. Anyway they should have given the OP the option to return his crypto back if he did not send ID because their website states: "anonymous and limitless".

The OP did not start an information war. Many people than him because he kindly paid from his own pocket to inform all of us about the way he was treated and to beware of changenow because they lie when they state: "anonymous and limitless"

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What's with the Newbies in this thread shilling for the scammers?

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What's with the Newbies in this thread shilling for the scammers?

Who you call newbie? Im old fish in business and money and crypto.
I dont think im new !!
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The OP did not start an information war. Many people than him because he kindly paid from his own pocket to inform all of us about the way he was treated and to beware of changenow because they lie when they state: "anonymous and limitless"

Ok, tell me, is this the first time that exchanges require KYC, in the event that the amount of exchange is large? I think not, but no one paid big money, for making his problem popular. I have 2 questions: how do you think the OP can solve this problem? What would you do?
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I would never send my ID to these exchanges.
I can send my documents to Binance for example, but I do not want to trust my personal information to such a person:
https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/
They try in every possible way to hide any information about themselves. Sorry, but this is not a company. It's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people.



What's with the Newbies in this thread shilling for the scammers?
Oh. This question worries me more than you. When I looking for an answer to it, I even got a 3 days ban (for "PM spam": 9 messages to theymos, Cyrus and hilariousandco). No, no, I'm not offended. Just tell you how it was.

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The OP did not start an information war. Many people than him because he kindly paid from his own pocket to inform all of us about the way he was treated and to beware of changenow because they lie when they state: "anonymous and limitless"

Ok, tell me, is this the first time that exchanges require KYC, in the event that the amount of exchange is large? I think not, but no one paid big money, for making his problem popular. I have 2 questions: how do you think the OP can solve this problem? What would you do?

Simple, keep doing what he is doing. He might never recover the BCH, but if this mess goes on longer than this, your exchange will not survive. And I find it very strange that a "reputable" company such as yours would employ trolls to represent it. If this is how you run your business, then the op is right not sending you his ID.
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All i say its life is not fair game.
Sometimes even the justice is not justice!
Life is tough and mean if you are soft you never will be succesful !! Success is for toughest !
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September 06, 2018, 05:29:16 PM
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your exchange will not survive. And I find it very strange that a "reputable" company such as yours would employ trolls to represent it. If this is how you run your business, then the op is right not sending you his ID.

Why are all those who do not agree with the OP you are ready to record in the trolls? Why do you think that I work for the exchanger? I have my own position. I would not send fake documents, at the risk of losing 100 BCH. That's what I can not understand from the beginning. I want to understand this. I'm not happy with the wording "I'm afraid it can be scammers". Scammers are around us in real life, not just on the Internet. OP does not leave the house, for fear of scammers? I think no.

P.S. If you are not familiar with the words "democracy" and "freedom of speech", I advise you to use Google.
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September 06, 2018, 05:45:21 PM
Last edit: September 07, 2018, 07:30:57 AM by cruso
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your exchange will not survive. And I find it very strange that a "reputable" company such as yours would employ trolls to represent it. If this is how you run your business, then the op is right not sending you his ID.

Why are all those who do not agree with the OP you are ready to record in the trolls? Why do you think that I work for the exchanger? I have my own position. I would not send fake documents, at the risk of losing 100 BCH. That's what I can not understand from the beginning. I want to understand this. I'm not happy with the wording "I'm afraid it can be scammers". Scammers are around us in real life, not just on the Internet. OP does not leave the house, for fear of scammers? I think no.

P.S. If you are not familiar with the words "democracy" and "freedom of speech", I advise you to use Google.

You are wrong. I addressed you directly, and I never said anything about other opposing views being trolls. Just reading through your post history, and that of matej krkic, is enough for anybody with a brain to see that you both work for changnow.io in some capacity. I don't have a problem with that, I was only pointing it out. Pretending otherwise though, is vacuous.

You don't have to understand the op's thinking. That is not the issue here. How he acts or thinks are his prerogative, not yours. You speak about democracy and freedom of speech, yet your exchange is behaving in a dictatorial manner. I don't think you fully understand what these words mean.

Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange. However, you have not behaved like a proper exchange would. In my opinion, your behavior and actions are frankly, for lack of a better word, disgusting.

Moving forward, I suggest both you and the op find a third party to arbitrate and resolve this mess. I am holding out some hope, that somehow, maybe you are not scammers, as is being projected all over the inter-web. It is time to put your egos aside and reach a solution, if indeed you are legitimate and not looking to appropriate the BCH.
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September 06, 2018, 05:58:25 PM
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The OP did not start an information war. Many people than him because he kindly paid from his own pocket to inform all of us about the way he was treated and to beware of changenow because they lie when they state: "anonymous and limitless"

Ok, tell me, is this the first time that exchanges require KYC, in the event that the amount of exchange is large? I think not, but no one paid big money, for making his problem popular. I have 2 questions: how do you think the OP can solve this problem? What would you do?

This is not the first time exchanges have asked for ID. Other exchanges require ID beyond a certain limit but changenow clearly stated "anonymous and limitless" on their website as their USP. The truth is changenow have used this as an excuse to hold on to the crypto when nothing warrants it.

The fault lay purely with changenow for advertising a service they did not actually offer. When they took the money (BCH) for exchanging they should have had a pop-up or alert stating they would require ID for verification if the transaction went ahead and "would you like to cancel or are you sure you want to proceed" option.

I think the best way the OP can resolve this issue is to ask changenow to return the crypto to the same address it was sent from. If they continue to behave like scammers then I think the OP should send ID but not his. I would never send my ID to scammer exchanges. He should make a deal with someone who is willing to part with their ID in return for some commission and make the video call, all the while claiming to be the OP (as long as it is legal in the country the OP is residing or is a citizen of). After the OP gets his crypto back he should never deal with changenow scammers again.


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September 06, 2018, 06:34:13 PM
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I've asked friends of mine from Interpol and Europol about this Company. They looked up cases related with this exchange but nothing shows up and this company address is fake. The Russians never ever corporate with Europol and Interpol that's what they told me. I've seen many Cases with russian exchanges and some of them reply Wallet onwer as Donald J Trump.
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September 06, 2018, 06:49:27 PM
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I've asked friends of mine from Interpol and Europol about this Company. They looked up cases related with this exchange but nothing shows up and this company address is fake. The Russians never ever corporate with Europol and Interpol that's what they told me. I've seen many Cases with russian exchanges and some of them reply Wallet onwer as Donald J Trump.

Hahaha - the most funny bullshit I’ve ever read. Funny shill.

Friends from interpol lol. My friends Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin just called me to conmirm you are the shill of ni23457
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