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September 14, 2018, 03:24:44 PM
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I don't know them. But they look like a very small exchange under threat by the russian authorities. And 70000 usds are a lot of money for a small exchange already burned by this scam. Since the OP has personal details from them he can try use that, but we all know how things work on Russia. OP you have all my sympathy but say goodbye to your money.

Lol, new farmed acc.

Ni23457, could you please buy better accs? We don’t believe you Smiley

My account is from 2014, scammer.
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September 14, 2018, 03:37:04 PM
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You're absolutely right - we don't have any right to share the files that the OP has sent. We respect the law, as we have stated multiple times.
As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.

About the GDPR: it's a part of global improvement package that we are implementing. It's a work in progress, and we are introducing changes as they come.
In our public statement we have mentioned that in just a year we have grown from a tiny service into a relatively big project. We are collaborating with legal specialists and advisors in order to keep up with all requirements of the market and to be compliant with all the necessary things. Unfortunately, some implements take some time to get up and running, more than we'd like to. In any case, we are trying to do everything in our power to become the most transparent, convenient, and understandable service on the market and we are eternally grateful for all the constructive comments you've given us.
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September 14, 2018, 03:42:59 PM
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I know he will be refunded 100%.
I can predict this outcome for sure.
I know they will do this.
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September 14, 2018, 03:46:26 PM
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As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.


There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW
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September 14, 2018, 05:13:02 PM
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I don't know them. But they look like a very small exchange under threat by the russian authorities. And 70000 usds are a lot of money for a small exchange already burned by this scam. Since the OP has personal details from them he can try use that, but we all know how things work on Russia. OP you have all my sympathy but say goodbye to your money.

Lol, new farmed acc.

Ni23457, could you please buy better accs? We don’t believe you Smiley

My account is from 2014, scammer.

It was bought this year, it’s clearly understandable from the posts history.
Seems that ni23457 (or someone from his scamteam) was also blocked by freewallet. I think they have also marked his coins as suspicious.
It’s too hard to launder stolen money now, isn’t it?
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September 14, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
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As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.


There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP unless you are absolutely certain they were involved in a crime. In that case they would have to be turned over to the agency investigating that particular crime and not held by you.
What legal grounds are you talking about? @Polina_ChangeNOW

I’m sure he is involved. Will be waiting for the result of the investigation
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September 14, 2018, 05:33:38 PM
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You're absolutely right - we don't have any right to share the files that the OP has sent. We respect the law, as we have stated multiple times.
As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible.

About the GDPR: it's a part of global improvement package that we are implementing. It's a work in progress, and we are introducing changes as they come.
In our public statement we have mentioned that in just a year we have grown from a tiny service into a relatively big project. We are collaborating with legal specialists and advisors in order to keep up with all requirements of the market and to be compliant with all the necessary things. Unfortunately, some implements take some time to get up and running, more than we'd like to. In any case, we are trying to do everything in our power to become the most transparent, convenient, and understandable service on the market and we are eternally grateful for all the constructive comments you've given us.

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Many thanks for the reply Polina, I appreciate it.

Having said that I am not accepting you saying: "As for the refund - we will refund the OP as soon as we have legal grounds for that. We really hope that this situation is resolved as soon as possible."

You actually have no legal grounds to hold his funds, what you are doing is illegal by keeping the crypto the OP sent.

I have had enough of this fiasco. You have been dealing with this for over two months and you are in breach of EU law by not having GDPR on your website. Take that back to your legal firm and website designers, it would take a couple of hours for any competent coder to get that added.

What is the name of your lawyer?
What is the name of your legal firm?
What is the address of your legal firm?

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September 14, 2018, 05:49:26 PM
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?
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September 14, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

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September 14, 2018, 05:59:11 PM
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info
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September 14, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info


They are lying, there was no Europol request. They used selective scamming but messed with the wrong person (the OP).

I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.

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September 14, 2018, 06:08:42 PM
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I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.


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September 14, 2018, 06:10:30 PM
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There is not a single law preventing you from sending the money back to OP

What do you mean? The person sent fake documents 2 times, is this not a red flag? Most of the allegations of fraud here at the forum are devoted to the fact that project teams provide stolen photos. It is "stolen photos", because as soon as you download a picture of some passport (not your own) and present it, you will be a potential rascal. Is this not a reason to suspect you of something?

I again ask why ni23457 does not want to produce a real ID, and I do not find an answer. No one pays attention to this fact, but real it underlies the problem. It's very simple: it gives a real ID, the exchange returns BCH. Why complicate?

User44a is right, there is no law preventing changenow to return the funds regardless of whether fake ID was sent or not.

Which laws are changenow claiming to abide by? They are registered as a company in Belize using a non-physical mailing address and also have non-physical mailing address offices in Russia and Netherlands.

Is it Belize, Russian or Dutch laws that changenow abide by which allows them to seize funds?

I’m sure it’s just a europol request regarding this user, that’s why we can’t be provided with all the info


They are lying, there was no Europol request. They used selective scamming but messed with the wrong person (the OP).

I hope the OP turns the table and informs Europol and Interpol about changenow.

I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
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September 14, 2018, 06:31:54 PM
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I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.

I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.

I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.

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September 14, 2018, 06:37:39 PM
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I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.

I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.

I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.

There was no mentioning of anonymity at the website at the time of his transaction.

All your and my guesses are unreasonable. Just guesses, no facts. We can only wait for the legal investigation to be finished.
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September 14, 2018, 07:09:07 PM
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I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread

I do not think the OP is afraid. He simply fell for the "anonymous and limitless" lies that changenow had on their website several months ago.

I never send my ID to any exchange and never will, that does not mean I am hiding something. It means I do not want to send my ID to people I do not know and have no idea what they will do with it.

I doubt the OP has anything to hide, I doubt the OP is part of a scam story like you allude to. I am sure however that changenow are selective scamming.

There was no mentioning of anonymity at the website at the time of his transaction.

All your and my guesses are unreasonable. Just guesses, no facts. We can only wait for the legal investigation to be finished.

Yes you are right, at the time of the transaction it seems the words "anonymous and limitless" were removed.

I do not believe there are any legal investigations going on. Changenow could not even tell you what the AML/KYC laws are in Belize which is where they are registered... changenow = selective scammers.

It is simple to see changenow messed with the wrong person and now they need to try to save face. No way do they want to release the funds back to the OP, they want to seize them to punish the OP for humiliating them.

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September 14, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
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I’m sure he will not. He is afraid to disclose his personal data, he is hiding. He is definitely afraid of something. Maybe because he is a part of some big scam story. Like the russian scammers from voyagerapp - we can see at least one account related to this story in our thread
Yeah,  a part of some big scam story. The coins are dirtiest. And theymos received such coins for the red banner from me. Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you





Yes you are right, at the time of the transaction it seems the words "anonymous and limitless" were removed.

It has no sense. They always advertised themselves as anonymous service:
https://www.google.com/search?q=changenow+anonymous
Even their topic here: [EXCHANGE]💰ChangeNOW: anonymous | limitless | 0.5% fee

If they suddenly changed their service, then I had to see a huge alert about it on their site. Honest people would do so.



But in any case, all this is not important. It's just a bunch of people from Russia, a country where cryptocurrency has no legal status. So these people are engaged in illegal business activities there. No state organization controls them. I'm not sure but Russian prosecutor may consider this as illegal banking activity
Thus I do not have to follow the orders of some suspicious people. They had to return my money at my first request.


And forget about Belize and Netherlands. This is a fairy tale for children. Any person can absolutely anonymously register offshore company in Belize (you need not more than $1000) and of course you can buy mailbox and phone number in Netherlands ($50-100 per month)

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So you were searching for an anonymous exchanger? Interesting.

Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.
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September 14, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
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Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.

Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you

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Theymos is not interested in aml/kyc as he is not a money business.

Now the entire forum is dirty with these dirty coins. Therefore, run away from bitcointalk and forget about it. It's too dirty for you

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