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September 07, 2018, 10:21:07 AM
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Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange.

I did not send a fake documents.  I opened a Google images and sent them JPG file like this:

My young cute users, there is not one country in the world where JPG image sent by email could be called a document.



And it was absolutely the right decision. They are not a COMPANY, it's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people from Russia.

https://postimg.cc/image/i8a8z5nj5/
https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/
https://postimg.cc/image/b52djluz5/
https://postimg.cc/image/6j69bhmdd/
https://postimg.cc/image/9d9eoze9t

Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.

What about the second attempt of document forgery? Why don’t you mention it?
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September 07, 2018, 10:25:32 AM
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Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.
Well, write us, what are your views on the solution of this problem. What are you waiting for? I really do not understand you. You send other people's documents, as written here, 2 times. Then, you refuse the video call ... Maybe your coins do not need you, or how to understand that you do not take any legal action to prove the right to them.

And I still did not see your transaction and wallet.
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September 07, 2018, 10:44:30 AM
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I agree that they could send him coins back before the story with fake IDs. But he has already sent fake ID 2 times! Now it's not a good time to release the funds without submitting the info to interpol.

Interpol? This is an overreaction.

The sender never wanted to send ID so he used an exchange (changenow) that made it clear they would ask for ID as they were "anonymous and limitless". They forced him in to a corner by asking for ID without offering to send his funds back if he did not want to proceed with the transaction. If they wanted ID they should have made it clear before the transaction took place.

I will not use this pathetic changenow exchange and will never recommend it to anybody either. They have ruined their PR by trying to steal the OPs money using a fake reason.

I totally thank and commend the OP for using his own money to buy ads on the thread to tell us all the changenow is a scam.

What’s wrong with you? There is no mentioning of anonymity at their website for a long time.
February: https://web.archive.org/web/20180208161956/https://changenow.io/
March: https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/  <--- no anonimity

Why are you defending document forgery? It’s a crime
If OP was sure in his rights why did he sent fake ID two times? Fake ID two times man! This is the crime.

Imagine the situation: I come to buy apple in the supermarket and after giving a cash for it the cashier starts asking me for ID, "apple license" and other documents. I'm 100 sure that this action is illegal. I will just call a police or administrator of the supermarket. I will not brake the law myself. I will not fight with cashier, I will not treat the cashier with the gun. It's stupid and illegal.

I am not defending the OP but am looking at this from a purely unbiased view.

Here is what the OP did: He sent crypto to have it swapped believing he did not have to send ID
Here is what changenow did: They kept his crypto and will not release it until he sends ID and completes a video call

The OP rightfully says the crypto should have been returned to him when told them he did not want to send ID. They made it clear they would not release his crypto unless he sent ID. He became suspicious and decided against it, sent some ID from googleimages. Changenow then decided to ask for ID and video call to verify before releasing the crypto that they never owned in the first place. Pathetic.

I am with the OP on this matter. It has been complicated further by the scandalous conduct by changenow. Sure the OP should never have sent fake ID but he should never have been asked to send ID anyway because changenow claims to be "anonymous and limitless".

If changenow are not scammers then in order to save future hassles changenow should continue allow all customers to continue swapping as normal but when customers try to swap an amount above their automatic threshold for ID they should show an alert to the customer notifying customers that if they proceed they need to send ID within6/12/18/24 hours etc. Simple resolution to avoid future issues.


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September 07, 2018, 10:46:38 AM
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Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange.

I did not send a fake documents.  I opened a Google images and sent them JPG file like this:
https://s8.postimg.cc/iun3v2ex1/static.politico.com.jpg
My young cute users, there is not one country in the world where JPG image sent by email could be called a document.



And it was absolutely the right decision. They are not a COMPANY, it's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people from Russia.

https://postimg.cc/image/i8a8z5nj5/
https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/
https://postimg.cc/image/b52djluz5/
https://postimg.cc/image/6j69bhmdd/
https://postimg.cc/image/9d9eoze9t

Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.

What about the second attempt of document forgery? Why don’t you mention it?

Ahhha:D Donald Trump document forgery:D
Its document really Cheesy
Guys you made my day i go on guys !!
Fight i wanna see whats next Smiley
But seriously this issue is between you 2.
Nobody else cant even involve or help you guys!

And more you keep this discussion going on the more funny this whole story will be.
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September 07, 2018, 10:55:10 AM
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Back on topic, I don't agree with the op's behavior, especially sending fake documents, and his lapse in judgment for sending that much to your exchange.

I did not send a fake documents.  I opened a Google images and sent them JPG file like this:
https://s8.postimg.cc/iun3v2ex1/static.politico.com.jpg
My young cute users, there is not one country in the world where JPG image sent by email could be called a document.



And it was absolutely the right decision. They are not a COMPANY, it's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people from Russia.

https://postimg.cc/image/i8a8z5nj5/
https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/
https://postimg.cc/image/b52djluz5/
https://postimg.cc/image/6j69bhmdd/
https://postimg.cc/image/9d9eoze9t

Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.

What about the second attempt of document forgery? Why don’t you mention it?

Ahhha:D Donald Trump document forgery:D
Its document really Cheesy
Guys you made my day i go on guys !!
Fight i wanna see whats next Smiley
But seriously this issue is between you 2.
Nobody else cant even involve or help you guys!

And more you keep this discussion going on the more funny this whole story will be.

But honestly this is document. By law its cassufied as document.
And if seek help from goverment to get back your bch then they will ask you where did you got this bch..
And crypto currency is subject to the law as asset.
You must declare your crypto income to the irs.
People will be hunted down all around the world if they refuse to obey the main law in the world wich is usa tax laws.
Its sounds like bs but this is how it is dont forget that goverment is run by criminals too.
Laws are made for you to make sure you cant make any progress with anything and to take from you everything with legal methods.
I know many stories when usa goverment will take everything from crypto currency users and accusing them as fraudsters or tax invader.
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September 07, 2018, 10:57:08 AM
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If you want to be succesful in this world you got to know the system and laws.
Thats it.
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September 07, 2018, 11:01:57 AM
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I did not send a fake documents.  I opened a Google images and sent them JPG file like this:

And it was absolutely the right decision. They are not a COMPANY, it's just a bunch of cowardly and dishonest people from Russia.

Only an idiot can take them seriously. Although I think it would be more correct if I photographed my ass and sent to them - maybe here was my mistake.

Well regardless of what you did it does not change the facts. You traded with them because they claimed to be "anonymous and limitless". They are holding on to your crypto by dishonest means to effectively sezie it illegally while saying they are doing it legally until/unless you send your ID - which you correctly will never do.

Changenow did not, do not and will never have the right to keep your crypto just because you do not want to send them your ID. I would never send my ID to any exchange, never have and never will.

What is your next step to try to get your crypto back?

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September 07, 2018, 11:06:19 AM
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I am not defending the OP but am looking at this from a purely unbiased view.

Here is what the OP did: He sent crypto to have it swapped believing he did not have to send ID
Here is what changenow did: They kept his crypto and will not release it until he sends ID and completes a video call
There is absolutely no guarantee they'll give him back his funds after he fulfills their demands. There is however the guarantee he has compromised his identify if he does this.

What they did is selective scamming. Once the amount is high enough, they make up reasons not to return it.

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September 07, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
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>You traded with them because they claimed to be "anonymous and limitless

Hahaha. Man I posted some facts for you about “anonymity” of the exchanger but are not interested in the truth. It’s always easier  to believe in Santa Claus, of course

February: https://web.archive.org/web/20180208161956/https://changenow.io/
March: https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/  <--- no anonimity
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September 07, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
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And yet, what are the next ni23457 steps to return coins? I think this story can drag on for many years. He does not want to send ID, exchange does not give a coin without ID. How long will this continue?
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September 07, 2018, 12:21:05 PM
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I think the smartest decision is to find someone to pass KYC instead of OP
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September 07, 2018, 01:17:18 PM
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Breaking news from https://t.me/NOWtoken_Bounty
The scammers have decided to remove the information that they are anonymous service:


They changed the policy in April, but they decided to change their advertising materials only now.  Smiley





And I repost this message because it might not have been seen  because of the paid trolls:



Sorry, but I protest !!  Grin Grin Grin

That is, these scammers are afraid to keep coins in their property after this advertising campaign started, and decided to annoy me and send my 5-year-old crystal clear coins to some third parties?

What laws do you follow to deal with such arbitrariness with someone else's property, idiots?


Please do not forget to attach the following images to my coins, otherwise I will send it myself.
https://postimg.cc/image/i8a8z5nj5/
https://postimg.cc/image/odwzy37rl/
https://postimg.cc/image/b52djluz5/
https://postimg.cc/image/6j69bhmdd/
https://postimg.cc/image/9d9eoze9t



1. create the impression of an anonymous exchanger https://www.google.com/search?q=changenow+anonymous
2. demand documents from each large deposit
3. 8 customers will send documents. 2 customers will refuse
4. because of the big noise, throw out one deposit
5. profit!

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September 07, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
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Sorry but I must repeat to you:

February: https://web.archive.org/web/20180208161956/https://changenow.io/
March: https://web.archive.org/web/20180317144910/https://changenow.io/  <--- no anonimity
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September 07, 2018, 01:34:31 PM
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I am not defending the OP but am looking at this from a purely unbiased view.

Here is what the OP did: He sent crypto to have it swapped believing he did not have to send ID
Here is what changenow did: They kept his crypto and will not release it until he sends ID and completes a video call
There is absolutely no guarantee they'll give him back his funds after he fulfills their demands. There is however the guarantee he has compromised his identify if he does this.

What they did is selective scamming. Once the amount is high enough, they make up reasons not to return it.

Bravo. It seems you are absolutely right, I am inclined to agree with you. What they (changenow) did was pick out probably their biggest ever single trade which was worth around 11 BTC and then made up reasons not to return it. You are right, even if he sends them his ID and has the video call there is no guarantee they will release his funds but there is a guarantee that they will have a lot of information on him and who know what they might try to do next because he has exposed these changenow scammers. I would never send my ID to any of these exchanges.

Selective scamming in this instance has cost them heavily in PR because they have lost the PR war in disastrous fashion. They obviously messed with the wrong person because he had the guts to put his money where his mouth was and amazingly paid to expose the scammers that changenow obviously are.

Thanks to the OP so many people will avoid using changenow over fear of what could happen to them. I have respect for the OP for doing helping in that costly manner. I had never heard of changenow until then but have made my mind up never to use them or recommend them.


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September 07, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
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https://medium.com/@changenow_io/changenow-explains-our-stance-on-aml-kyc-d11e7f08123f



I think these scammers take everyone for idiots.

What can these Russians complain about? In what do these miserable cowards accuse me? The fact that I call them Russian scammers who fled their St. Petersburg office and changed their founders? It sounds insulting, yes, but unfortunately this is true and police do not deal with such things  Sad


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September 07, 2018, 03:04:03 PM
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https://medium.com/@changenow_io/changenow-explains-our-stance-on-aml-kyc-d11e7f08123f



I think these scammers take everyone for idiots.

What can these Russians complain about? In what do these miserable cowards accuse me? The fact that I call them Russian scammers who fled their St. Petersburg office and changed their founders? It sounds insulting, yes, but unfortunately this is true and police do not deal with such things  Sad



So it will be very interesting to see the result of the investigation.
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September 07, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
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Ok, this is very interesting, but why do you write these stories every time about changing policies, without indicating that you sent a fake ID. Man, if you did not know, a change of policy is a common thing in business. I again ask, why did you send the FAKE ID? Can you answer?

And I repost this message because it might not have been seen  because of the paid trolls:

I'll explain to you what the paid trolls are. Look

So, if ni23457 started saying that someone is buying someone, I will remind you that Mr. ni23457 has an army of bots in Reddit that spread false information.

https://www.reddit.com/u/andyrgreig
https://www.reddit.com/u/asherx
https://www.reddit.com/user/Bronnylee
https://www.reddit.com/u/dbroncoboy
https://www.reddit.com/u/gabyshinn
https://www.reddit.com/u/iseoranker
https://www.reddit.com/u/kanetreble
https://www.reddit.com/u/nekomisa
https://www.reddit.com/u/primeaudio
https://www.reddit.com/u/radakito
https://www.reddit.com/u/rashonski
https://www.reddit.com/u/redshreds
https://www.reddit.com/u/spagrspagr
https://www.reddit.com/u/yusuef

They write the same, only what that want ni23457. So he tries to force changenow to return him BTC without checking his identity. Is not this blackmail?

In addition, he bought advertising here on BCT. Guys, he does not warn us, he does it in order to spoil the reputation of the exchange. I advise everyone to thoroughly study this story. ni23457 had not just a mistake, sending someone else's documents. He did it consciously! He hides his identity. Why? Who is he afraid of? What he says = nonsense, he's another fraudster, laundering money.

Further Medium. Here are 4 people who write the same thing:

https://medium.com/@petitefemmeforte — petite nana
https://medium.com/@HallerManjbrian — stephen haller
https://medium.com/@paulmcglynn25 — Paul McGlynn
https://medium.com/@mananaduboi Manon Dubois

On BCT:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246196 - bitcoinewman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2374957 - Norinma
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2352582 - veronicasmithen03
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2376982 - isintel
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188 - Bazinga442

All of them blame ChangeNOW. Nothing else.
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September 07, 2018, 03:33:26 PM
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These are more for your enjoyment, there will be more everyday LOL!

https://www.minds.com/blog/view/884717981509873664
https://coins.newbium.com/post/21205-privcoin-mixing-service-is-the-latest-victim-of-e
https://www.yours.org/content/privcoin-mixing-service--is-the-latest-victim-of-evercode-lab%E2%80%99s-change-8cac6db4348d
https://cryptocoinpravda.com/privcoin-mixing-service-is-the-latest-victim-of-evercode-lab-s-changenow-io.html
https://medium.com/@paulmcglynn25/privcoin-mixing-service-is-the-latest-victim-of-evercode-labs-changenow-io-1f64efd6c6d3
https://pmcgpostblog.quora.com/Privcoin-Mixing-Service-is-the-Latest-Victim-of-Evercode-Lab-s-ChangeNOW
https://pmc25posts.tumblr.com/post/177824656942/privcoin-mixing-service-is-the-latest-victim-of
http://authorpaul.blogspot.com/2018/09/privcoin-mixing-service-is-latest.html


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September 07, 2018, 03:35:36 PM
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https://medium.com/@changenow_io/changenow-explains-our-stance-on-aml-kyc-d11e7f08123f



I think these scammers take everyone for idiots.

What can these Russians complain about? In what do these miserable cowards accuse me? The fact that I call them Russian scammers who fled their St. Petersburg office and changed their founders? It sounds insulting, yes, but unfortunately this is true and police do not deal with such things  Sad

What did I just on their Medium post? So pathetic conduct by changenow, they stated:

"We, in turn, are preparing legal claims which we are going to submit to Interpol, Europol, and other authorities, along with the info we have on the client and the cold wallet address on which the funds are kept for the time being. After that we are going to wait for their official reply. In no circumstances are we going to keep this user’s funds for ourselves."

Well, they are preparing legal claims to send to "Interpol, Europol, and other authorities, along with the info we have on the client". I wonder exactly what they will claim against the OP?

They will send the OPs details such as the date, time, IP address and wallet address they received the funds from. Then what?  They have taken this issue so far for no real reason at all and now want to drag this out for as long as possible.

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September 07, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
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These are more for your enjoyment, there will be more everyday LOL!
Thus, you confirm my accusations of blackmailing the purchase of people for the dissemination of questionable information. Who are all these people? Just do not say that they just do it. That's funny.

«They are however willing to remove the bitcointalk post if their bitcoins  are returned or their exchange is done. ni23457 has also revealed on  Reddit that he is willing to continue to use the right means to fight  for the return of his 11 bitcoins.»

What is it? Blackmail!

I'm curious what you've been doing since September 5th. You login, and immediately wrote this nonsense.
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