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I'm just now picking up on some of the rivalry in here as of late? lol Just remember there is no "I" in Team .....when everyone works and sticks together great things can happen like winning  Of course everyone has heard the old saying "There is No 'I' in Team," But who understands it? Do you? Would you give your ALL for your team? Would you give up time for you, But give more to the team if it would benefit the team? Would you lay it all on the line for your team? Would you gladly cheer from the sidelines for your team? Would you take the time to say positive things to every teammate? Would you be willing to be open-minded enough To see everyone's point of view - your coach's included? The one thing that "I" can do for a team, Is to contribute the most "I" possibly can for my teammates. Whether that is being a leader, a supporter, a motivator, An instigator, an inspirator - what "I" need to remember Is that my part as a contributor helps my team the most. When every "I" can come together as "we," Is when a team becomes successful. When "I" am willing to do whatever it takes To open my mind and see what is truly best For my team, is when "I" become successful. And that's what "I" wanted in the 1st place, isn't it? Do you have what it takes? Dig in. Contribute. Open your mind, Play the game. Then, you will win. GO! TEAM BC |
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Astroxjr
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May 04, 2014, 12:54:22 AM |
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Astro that is completely unfounded. We will be giving everyone as much information as possible when we can.
I understand expensive does not mean value. As with everything we are taking a risk. And we are taking 50% of that risk personally. If the community doesn't see fit to help so be it.
Does not help though does it. You can't expect people to help fund something that you state has X value, when we can't make an informed decision - its counter intuitive  There is a possible way to agree on a path forwards: Will you be providing open accounts/invoices so that the community can check the costs after the event ?? Since a foundation should be none profit, they usually have a level of transparency about how & where funds are spent. [edit] Actually this applies to IE too I guess.
Open books for community paid for projects is a complete must !Thanks |
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May 04, 2014, 12:54:37 AM |
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Response To SoepKip
SoepKip thank you for your letter. I have refrained from singling you out because I do believe you want to see BlackCoin succeed and you do work hard. We all have our talents and limitation including me, but for BlackCoin to reach #1 you will need experienced outside help and a PR firm is not the answer.
In here we have a difference in opinion then. Your event is focused on purely WallStreet, and the hope of going viral. We believe that hiring an PR Agency, that actually puts their own name on the line in supporting a cryptocurrency. Yes, for a startup this might not be the best idea but there are a lot of differences between a start-up and a cryptocurrency. The links you have posted on why not do not count for this situation.
I sincerely want to believe you are honest man and a gentleman. We both know the day before I announced the Wall Street event I asked you "did you speak to the investors about the event"? Your response to me was "you go ask them it is your event". I was shocked by your response because you previously insisted you wanted to talk with the investors about the event. You then replied back and said "I am talking to them now". I told you if it is a problem I would just go to the community and raise the funds that way, and I never heard from you again. Since IRC you have not tried to PM me? Did I just write the truth?
This is true and i have not pmmed you. The reason for this is that you did not have the decency to wait on my answer. I am, like you, a very busy man and I speak with a lot of people daily. You decided to post the WallStreet plan without our answer.
My position on Gritt remains the same. I think his comment was calculated and unprofessional. I also think the fact he is/was trying to create his own BC cards before I had shipped mine out was sneaky and underhanded. I think he is a ticking time bomb.
His comment was not calculated. I speak with my team on a daily basis. Gritt has done amazing things in the past weeks, just like you. The Meet Black Investor Handouts are awesome. His article in the Phenom Post was awesome. And he is working on many other things.
In regards to the Vault Of Satoshi I want to sincerely believe you have a lot on your mind and you do not remember the timeline. Before April 12th you and I discussed on IRC my plans for BC. I told you for this to work we needed a Fiat to BC exchange in North America ASAP. I asked you to contact CoinDesk and Vault Of Statosh and your response to me was "it is too early for that". I said you were probably right about CoinDesk but Mint was on Vault Of Satoshi and they are not better than us. I then told you I will personally email Vault Of Satoshi and you replied with a "smiley face". I then told you I would wait for awhile and then ask the community to start emailing and Tweeting Vault Of Satoshi. All one has to do is look at my previous posts to verify this. Now I am not claiming someone else didn't directly reach out to Vault Of Satoshi as well, but that doesn't mean I didn't reach out first. I was very public about this community nagging Vault Of Satoshi, and even Vault Of Satoshi's own Tweet implied they were adding BC because of the "harassment" from the community. Did you and I have this conversation via IRC?
We had this conversation yes, however: I know for a fact that there where very lenghty discussions with gnu_user on a live conference (see the picture i posted earlier). You sent a mail first, thank you.
Until today I thought you were a gentleman and I still would like to believe you are. You are one of the few people here that know my true identity. You have seen pics of me and my wife and at least one of my daughters. You know what I do for a living and you know everything I posted here about myself is true. However, when people were coming here to this forum lobbing personal attacks at me, you could have at anytime said "Hey I do not agree all the time with Iconic but what he is saying is true. He does not live in India, and he does have a wife". You could have also vouched for my integrity. When the group of "investors" asked me to do the Meet Black campaign and everyone was brainstorming, someone suggested I should say to the community "members from Mint contacted me", and what did I say? "I said no I will not lie to the community come up with a better solution".
You have chosen to go out on your own. You have attacked people in the community in the past. I do not feel like defending a person that attacks the community where i work daily with. Do as you would be done by.
Yes I am fortunate to live well and I will be contributing funds to the event. But you act as if the time spent planning and organizing this event is not contributions in itself. You have no idea how many personal man hours have already been spent to get to this point. So to suggest that I am letting everyone else pay for the event and me and my wife are just sitting back doing nothing is shameful. Who will be auditioning these girls? Who will be ordering the t-shirts? Who will be ordering the cards? Who will be organizing logistics? Who will be prepping the girls for the event? All of this takes time, and time is money.
And that is exactly what we are doing every day on a myriad of topics. We have at least 10 people working 8-16 hours a day and 30 people more than 6 hours a day on BlackCoin. There are many projects in this coin. Yet we believe that next to the time we invest that money needs to be invested too.
With all due respect to you and the team, you are paying someone else $30,000 to do what me and my wife are doing now. The only difference is we are not just handing the community a plan, we are actually planning and organizing the actual event. So that is the difference between the two.
Now I will see what kind of man you are by your response. If you verify what I am saying is true then I will know at least you are a honest man.[/size]
Let's draw a line in the sand. This has been going on long enough. We all have the same goal, we want BlackCoin to grow to be one of the, if not the biggest crypto currency out there. We might have different views, have disagreements or whatever, this does not warrant public attacks. This thread needs to be positive and breed positivity. |
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coinpredator(return)
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May 04, 2014, 12:56:14 AM |
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We should open a Forex trading pair IconicExpert/SoepKip (IE/SKP). I'm pretty sure everyone would profit with the value fluctuation... Every time there would a statement would be like when the FED make statements for the USD  Do you already doing some new video of the Führer for when we reach at 40K? I have promised to you 500BC when we reach at 40K, and you just post a new video, I would be very happy to pay my debt to you tomorrow, however this climb to 40k is an ordeal. |
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May 04, 2014, 12:56:28 AM |
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 Seriously though, can't we all work together for the common good of BlackCoin and for all of us who believe in this coin? I don't always agree with Iconic (I'm not an aggressive-aggressive personality like him) but the amount of stupid, silly attacks at him is ridiculous in this thread - I'm talking about the multiple postings of his community ad announcement. Isn't it much more likely that those were copy cat posts by other people, than a repeat by someone who actually delivered the press release and who has developed the BlackCoin cards and the software on them. Please don't let me start on the fools saying those things are scams because there is a $1 card usb somewhere. Those who tow this line of attack are really revealing their true selves. IE, I get that you're aggressive-aggressive, and I appreciate what you've done for BlackCoin, but perhaps you could also be supportive of the foundation's efforts. I get that you don't believe that the PR company isn't the best way to spend those funds, but perhaps it'll have a greater chance of success if it wasn't publicly talked down? |
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May 04, 2014, 01:03:29 AM |
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What is wrong with doing IE's wall street thing and the foundations PR thing? They should compliment each other!
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May 04, 2014, 01:10:03 AM |
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Let's draw a line in the sand. This has been going on long enough. We all have the same goal, we want BlackCoin to grow to be one of the, if not the biggest crypto currency out there. We might have different views, have disagreements or whatever, this does not warrant public attacks.
This thread needs to be positive and breed positivity.
That's what I want to hear....stop the madness and unite... at least in the same direction, the good of BC |
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May 04, 2014, 01:14:15 AM |
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What is wrong with doing IE's wall street thing and the foundations PR thing? They should compliment each other!
simple. dont loose time being negative |
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May 04, 2014, 01:17:49 AM |
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What is wrong with doing IE's wall street thing and the foundations PR thing? They should compliment each other!
simple. dont loose time being negative I think the solution for this problem would be the sponsoring of the Wall Street event from the Foundation and The sponsoring from IconicExpert to the PR firm... I think it would be a nice peace treaty |
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May 04, 2014, 01:37:08 AM |
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So combined when you post the video 6 for 40K sats you will receive your payment, you You have my word. |
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May 04, 2014, 01:38:05 AM |
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 The BlackCoin community is filled with some of the most creative people in crypto, and now we you will be rewarded for your creativity!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9i6Rd_6uA4&fmt=37
If there is an error in the translation into English of the video, tell me how I could change to make this betterç Again, love this vid. Awesome work! Correct the English though: "Why are we a ttracted to Black". You left out the 'we' and misspelled "attracted". Otherise it looked great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1I73X0Wges
I hope the lyrics are better understood. Thanks for the help!I've watched this video about 10 times and think it is truly exceptional. Would like to tip you some BC but I don't think you posted an address. Maybe include one in your sig? |
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May 04, 2014, 01:47:21 AM |
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The BlackCoin community is filled with some of the most creative people in crypto, and now we you will be rewarded for your creativity!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9i6Rd_6uA4&fmt=37
If there is an error in the translation into English of the video, tell me how I could change to make this betterç Again, love this vid. Awesome work! Correct the English though: "Why are we a ttracted to Black". You left out the 'we' and misspelled "attracted". Otherise it looked great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1I73X0Wges
I hope the lyrics are better understood. Thanks for the help!I've watched this video about 10 times and think it is truly exceptional. Would like to tip you some BC but I don't think you posted an address. Maybe include one in your sig? EXCELLENT! I would add at the end 1. Splash Blackcoin logo 2. Scrolling golden text something like: The future in crypto currency is here to stay... |
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May 04, 2014, 01:50:34 AM |
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So combined when you post the video 6 for 40K sats you will receive your payment, you You have my word. You know these videos are very educating and turn all of the conflicts, drama, and trolling into something fun... Please think about making "Blackcoin THE MOVIE" Which would be a really fun piece that could go viral in youtube and every crypto person will want to watch it! |
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May 04, 2014, 01:52:34 AM |
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we need a IE/SP video now  |
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May 04, 2014, 02:18:55 AM |
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Let's draw a line in the sand. This has been going on long enough. We all have the same goal, we want BlackCoin to grow to be one of the, if not the biggest crypto currency out there. We might have different views, have disagreements or whatever, this does not warrant public attacks.
This thread needs to be positive and breed positivity.
That's what I want to hear....stop the madness and unite... at least in the same direction, the good of BC THIS! Love it. We need to show new investors why this coin is great. Not that some of our most innovative and prominent members just bicker and troll and sling mud. With AC and WC both going down we have to show folks why WE are the best. Why they should be investing in BC and not a scam coin, a copycat, or a p&d. Let's keep moving forward. So many cool things in the future, there's room for everyone!! |
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May 04, 2014, 03:08:06 AM |
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I have been away from here for a couple of days and frankly it's almost impossible to catch up with so many pages of related posts... Anyway, once again, fully knowing that that darts will be coming from every side, I am the self-appointed (apparently everyone is self-appointing themselves here on Blackcoin, so...) sober voice of of reason and common sense.
1.- Everyone in this forum knows that I don't see eye-to-eye with Iconic in general and that I have found most of his ideas outrageous and damaging to BC. His antics with WC and their forum and his ill-fated attempt at creating an instrument to manipulate the market cannot be defended, regardless. At the same time, his launching of the BlackCard, while (importantly) being a for profit (for his personal profit, that is) endeavor, has been praised without reservations by me numerous times. His Wall Street escorts march initiative, I have been critical about (critical in the sense of examining the pros and the cons, not necessarily on condemning it since I was and remain, on the fence if every day that passes more incline towards the negative on it). Since the community will pay for it, hey, if they do pay for it, let's see if it was wrong and, in any case, how wrong. I just lighted the red light that it could be quite disastrous fro BlackCoin's image and that the "good" that could come from it would be limited, at best. What is there to be gained from it? I still don't see what "awareness" could bring us. We are not selling anything, therefore being aware of a gloriously beautiful logo cannot possible translate into anything greatly beneficial. Would a Howard-Stern-like event be detrimental? I believe it can, but not much either so, if the few that give are for it, why not. Again, neutral on it.
I point this out because it is relevant to what comes below in which I am, almost completely, in favor of Iconic's position:
2.- I cannot be more AGAINST the PR initiative. Once again, it appears that the self-appointed BlackCoin Foundation -or in Iconic's definition "the core group" or the "IRC Boys"-, is ponying up $15,000 of their own pockets to support it because, well they think it is a great idea ... because no other crypto has done it before... err, maybe I am missing something here but that type or "originality" in and of itself, doesn't merit the initiative. What is the purpose? what is the campaign? what are we selling? One again, what is the rush? (this is and old question I initially posed to Iconic too). We are barely 2 months old, doing great. Why we need to do "original" things? what's the rush, again? who are we running from? I fail to see the need for any of this at all. I see though, other nearer and way more concerning, worrysome in fact, realities: the multi-pool is still showing that horrible patch and has no front end; more worrysome even, it's been only a few days since the pool was literally put on it's knees by a simple DDOS attack, which showed the amazing vulnerability, on one side, and made a lot of miners run away to greener, more secure ventures. While we are pursuing new visitors, it seems that we have the house dirty and stinking and that whoever that comers our way can be faced with pretty dangerous situations and circumstances...
3.- Transparence. It was nice to see the faces of three members of the dev team (or is it the Foundation?.. I'm confused -more later-? in the BlackCast -it was terrible, to say the least, that the three seemed to be paid endorses of Marlboro AND the Colorado Chamber of Commerce, but at least we saw their faces and learn a couple of first names... but other than that, there's no transparency at all here. Example: If you ask on IRC about the multi-pool, you get all kinds of "answers" from the ever-present "Soepkip" and "Gritt" to other volunteers, such as "Syllabear" and others. Depending on who answers, for instance Soepkip, you get that "the multi-pool is not directly connected with the dev team" (therefore when it fails, well, sorry but not the devs fault) or that the said multi-pool is "not vital" to BlackCoin. If Gnu or others answer, then it IS indeed vital... but still not directly connected or the responsibility of the devs... Confusing, isn't it? Then you go on and get answers -or lack thereof- to such questions as "when does the multipool buy their BCs?" (apparently -no official word on it either- "they wait for the dips", rather than buy at whatever market price it is trading the moment the coins are sold -presumibly for BTC?. Again, no official word on this. When are the miners paid? er... uh... depends on Crypsty, apparently... although officials fromn Crypsty have shown on IRC to deny -or partially deny- this. In any case, it seems that miners are paid, uh, whenever the person in charge is not too busy.... "while we develop a system that will make the payments instantaneous and the mining proceeds happen". It's all cloudy out there. No specifics, no one really responsible of anything... "it will happen", they'll tell you. Eventually.
This is in the very specifics of mining. When it comes to structure, we are lost. Now, apparently, we have a BlackCoin Foundation. Really. Land grab has been mentioned a couple times in the previous 40 pages of this forum but, let's ask: Who are the members of this Foundation? Are they the dev team? (I seem to have read that no, it's a group of BC investors). Well, since I am one such BC investor, how come nobody has asked me to join the Foundation or, at the very least, ask me if I was interested in having a foundation at all? Who decided we should have a Foundation and who are the members of that foundation. Names, real names. And wallet numbers, please. And with what criteria have they been chosen? and by who? I have to be on Iconic's side on this... all of a sudden a very aggressive and prolific campaign of posts in the forum by people that rarely if ever have posted before, are the self-appointed "BlackCoin Foundation". Who are these people and why are they "looking for our interests"? Or are they? I mean if this is a group big enough and with big enough wallets, they can manipulate at will to get the best of the markets and leave us all holding the bags? Who are they? what's their interest in having controlling power in BC? why spending $30,000 in a "branding" campaign that, at best, will bring nothing but awareness toward another copy of Litecoin with a slick logo? I mean, if they are ponying up $15,000 from their own pockets, who am I to question whatever they do in their own names? But if they do it as officially sanctioned BlacCoin Foundation, then I have some interest, direct interest, because I hold a sizable stake in this venture and I demand to know who are the "morituri's", etc. of this self-appointed foundation. Like I said, with full legal names and wallet numbers. That would be transparency.
3.- Let's be clear. And perhaps someone is going to explain to me in 10 words or less how wrong I am. BlackCoin is a Litecoin clone, with a gorgeous logo. Basically. A copy of a model (PoS) that was made public over 2 years ago (Nova) mixed with some other algos and of which there are at least 10 identical clones already out there and about 100 (a day) coming out. So, first of all and before we try the spend quite a bit of resources, why not getting to the basics? What the fuck is BlackCoin? Oh we are "fast", I get that... but isn't UltraCoin actually FASTER than BC? How much faster than LTC is BC? That is a claim that has to be true or it will backfire. But, lets assume, as some pretend, that BC is the fastest crypto in existence, how long is that claim going to remain true? Is it something we can base the "selling" of the coin on? I don't believe so. What else? Is it more secure, the most secure? How. In layman words -we are pretending to sell this to laymen, right?-. Are we a "holder of wealth" like someone has pointed, "for the wealthy"? How? with 1% annually that is exceeded by every other alto in the market? I really want the answers here, not at all trying to be negative. Exactly, in a very few words that everyone can understand, why is BC "the shit". The shit that merits public recognition through outrageous Wall Street marches and costly PR engagements determined by people of whom we know absolutely nothing about and masquerading as "The Foundation", all with an incredible craving for the coin to get to much higher prices in the exchanges and no substantial plan to actually grow it into something a small segment of the regular population will actually use some day. Picture me skeptical but all this seems designed only for the purpose of quickly -very quickly, 90 days or less- capitalize on an investment at whatever expense INCLUDING the future of the coin.
Sorry for the length. Hopefully only really interested parties would go through the whole thing. Every word is there for a reason, though... And I am not even asking for donations either.
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May 04, 2014, 03:52:10 AM |
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I have been away from here for a couple of days and frankly it's almost impossible to catch up with so many pages of related posts... Anyway, once again, fully knowing that that darts will be coming from every side, I am the self-appointed (apparently everyone is self-appointing themselves here on Blackcoin, so...) sober voice of of reason and common sense.
1.- Everyone in this forum knows that I don't see eye-to-eye with Iconic in general and that I have found most of his ideas outrageous and damaging to BC. His antics with WC and their forum and his ill-fated attempt at creating an instrument to manipulate the market cannot be defended, regardless. At the same time, his launching of the BlackCard, while (importantly) being a for profit (for his personal profit, that is) endeavor, has been praised without reservations by me numerous times. His Wall Street escorts march initiative, I have been critical about (critical in the sense of examining the pros and the cons, not necessarily on condemning it since I was and remain, on the fence if every day that passes more incline towards the negative on it). Since the community will pay for it, hey, if they do pay for it, let's see if it was wrong and, in any case, how wrong. I just lighted the red light that it could be quite disastrous fro BlackCoin's image and that the "good" that could come from it would be limited, at best. What is there to be gained from it? I still don't see what "awareness" could bring us. We are not selling anything, therefore being aware of a gloriously beautiful logo cannot possible translate into anything greatly beneficial. Would a Howard-Stern-like event be detrimental? I believe it can, but not much either so, if the few that give are for it, why not. Again, neutral on it.
I point this out because it is relevant to what comes below in which I am, almost completely, in favor of Iconic's position:
2.- I cannot be more AGAINST the PR initiative. Once again, it appears that the self-appointed BlackCoin Foundation -or in Iconic's definition "the core group" or the "IRC Boys"-, is ponying up $15,000 of their own pockets to support it because, well they think it is a great idea ... because no other crypto has done it before... err, maybe I am missing something here but that type or "originality" in and of itself, doesn't merit the initiative. What is the purpose? what is the campaign? what are we selling? One again, what is the rush? (this is and old question I initially posed to Iconic too). We are barely 2 months old, doing great. Why we need to do "original" things? what's the rush, again? who are we running from? I fail to see the need for any of this at all. I see though, other nearer and way more concerning, worrysome in fact, realities: the multi-pool is still showing that horrible patch and has no front end; more worrysome even, it's been only a few days since the pool was literally put on it's knees by a simple DDOS attack, which showed the amazing vulnerability, on one side, and made a lot of miners run away to greener, more secure ventures. While we are pursuing new visitors, it seems that we have the house dirty and stinking and that whoever that comers our way can be faced with pretty dangerous situations and circumstances...
3.- Transparence. It was nice to see the faces of three members of the dev team (or is it the Foundation?.. I'm confused -more later-? in the BlackCast -it was terrible, to say the least, that the three seemed to be paid endorses of Marlboro AND the Colorado Chamber of Commerce, but at least we saw their faces and learn a couple of first names... but other than that, there's no transparency at all here. Example: If you ask on IRC about the multi-pool, you get all kinds of "answers" from the ever-present "Soepkip" and "Gritt" to other volunteers, such as "Syllabear" and others. Depending on who answers, for instance Soepkip, you get that "the multi-pool is not directly connected with the dev team" (therefore when it fails, well, sorry but not the devs fault) or that the said multi-pool is "not vital" to BlackCoin. If Gnu or others answer, then it IS indeed vital... but still not directly connected or the responsibility of the devs... Confusing, isn't it? Then you go on and get answers -or lack thereof- to such questions as "when does the multipool buy their BCs?" (apparently -no official word on it either- "they wait for the dips", rather than buy at whatever market price it is trading the moment the coins are sold -presumibly for BTC?. Again, no official word on this. When are the miners paid? er... uh... depends on Crypsty, apparently... although officials fromn Crypsty have shown on IRC to deny -or partially deny- this. In any case, it seems that miners are paid, uh, whenever the person in charge is not too busy.... "while we develop a system that will make the payments instantaneous and the mining proceeds happen". It's all cloudy out there. No specifics, no one really responsible of anything... "it will happen", they'll tell you. Eventually.
This is in the very specifics of mining. When it comes to structure, we are lost. Now, apparently, we have a BlackCoin Foundation. Really. Land grab has been mentioned a couple times in the previous 40 pages of this forum but, let's ask: Who are the members of this Foundation? Are they the dev team? (I seem to have read that no, it's a group of BC investors). Well, since I am one such BC investor, how come nobody has asked me to join the Foundation or, at the very least, ask me if I was interested in having a foundation at all? Who decided we should have a Foundation and who are the members of that foundation. Names, real names. And wallet numbers, please. And with what criteria have they been chosen? and by who? I have to be on Iconic's side on this... all of a sudden a very aggressive and prolific campaign of posts in the forum by people that rarely if ever have posted before, are the self-appointed "BlackCoin Foundation". Who are these people and why are they "looking for our interests"? Or are they? I mean if this is a group big enough and with big enough wallets, they can manipulate at will to get the best of the markets and leave us all holding the bags? Who are they? what's their interest in having controlling power in BC? why spending $30,000 in a "branding" campaign that, at best, will bring nothing but awareness toward another copy of Litecoin with a slick logo? I mean, if they are ponying up $15,000 from their own pockets, who am I to question whatever they do in their own names? But if they do it as officially sanctioned BlacCoin Foundation, then I have some interest, direct interest, because I hold a sizable stake in this venture and I demand to know who are the "morituri's", etc. of this self-appointed foundation. Like I said, with full legal names and wallet numbers. That would be transparency.
3.- Let's be clear. And perhaps someone is going to explain to me in 10 words or less how wrong I am. BlackCoin is a Litecoin clone, with a gorgeous logo. Basically. A copy of a model (PoS) that was made public over 2 years ago (Nova) mixed with some other algos and of which there are at least 10 identical clones already out there and about 100 (a day) coming out. So, first of all and before we try the spend quite a bit of resources, why not getting to the basics? What the fuck is BlackCoin? Oh we are "fast", I get that... but isn't UltraCoin actually FASTER than BC? How much faster than LTC is BC? That is a claim that has to be true or it will backfire. But, lets assume, as some pretend, that BC is the fastest crypto in existence, how long is that claim going to remain true? Is it something we can base the "selling" of the coin on? I don't believe so. What else? Is it more secure, the most secure? How. In layman words -we are pretending to sell this to laymen, right?-. Are we a "holder of wealth" like someone has pointed, "for the wealthy"? How? with 1% annually that is exceeded by every other alto in the market? I really want the answers here, not at all trying to be negative. Exactly, in a very few words that everyone can understand, why is BC "the shit". The shit that merits public recognition through outrageous Wall Street marches and costly PR engagements determined by people of whom we know absolutely nothing about and masquerading as "The Foundation", all with an incredible craving for the coin to get to much higher prices in the exchanges and no substantial plan to actually grow it into something a small segment of the regular population will actually use some day. Picture me skeptical but all this seems designed only for the purpose of quickly -very quickly, 90 days or less- capitalize on an investment at whatever expense INCLUDING the future of the coin.
Sorry for the length. Hopefully only really interested parties would go through the whole thing. Every word is there for a reason, though... And I am not even asking for donations either.
Agreed +10000000000000 Self appointed is right. They are managing millions in a land grab. I and many others have concerns when a lot of money is at stake. I'm very upset about this foundation forming. What you'll see if you go into IRC what is different from rest is a bunch of kids that are immature (not everyone) but lot of kids running your portfolio. Do you want this? I doubt they could have the experience, not that all might not, but really just a bunch of college kids running a trust fund is what I see. |
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Barabbas, I couldn't agree more with most everything you wrote and the various concerns you pointed out, often I have wondered many of the same thoughts and have no clear answers, even though I do not indulge heavily with BC Pool and its associates. With that said, I really do believe they all are very smart, forward thinking and their hearts are in the right place including Iconic. But I would like to see more transparency in many of the areas you listed. I respect many of the efforts being put forth by many in here, which is more than I can say for myself, as I only am an observer who mines various coins and devotes a good % back into the purchase of BC. So with that thought yes I want everyone to succeed with there efforts. I will say this about alt coins, BC isn't so different then other coins, but is a great alt coin in itself and concept. The only way I see it growing is for the name brand" BC to roll off the tip of peoples tongues and some how be the first thought they have if ask" have you ever heard of alt coins? To do this it needs tons of marketing and has to be made "hip" or a cool coin and become peoples first choice, as payment systems become more relevant to the public,, coinkite etc. As many do, I just want to see BC worth a lot more than it is now, and somehow the devs or the community need to make sure the ball is continually rolling in that direction and the acceptance of BC grows otherwise it will die on the vine like an unpicked bunch of grapes lol Its ok for anyone to make a profit off of BC or any coins for that matter if they are clever and hard working enough , that's why we are all here in the first place |
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May 04, 2014, 04:14:53 AM
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Self appointed is right. They are managing millions in a land grab. I and many others have concerns when a lot of money is at stake. I'm very upset about this foundation forming.
It has taken since the beginning of BC, starting from rat4 and Soepkip, to branch out and find the right members for this "foundation". This isn't something that just happened overnight. If you can't trust a group of people that over time (and without a premine or IPO to work off, meaning their own time and money) 1. Laid down the infrastructure to make BC relevant with its pools 2. Funded CoinKite (thanks for the help Mintpal) 3. Funded promos for the miners like Black Friday and KNC Titan 4. Done their own PR through Twitter, Reddit, etc 5. A sponsor in Dogecon SF 6. Started up Blackcoin Farm 7. Started Blackcast and showed their faces 8. Now starting a huge PR campaign ( Foundation "officially" formed here, a good 2 months after BC was released and after they have provided the above) I don't what else you want? Legal names, addresses, phone numbers, day jobs, and etc? Maybe that will soon come, I don't know. But I could certainly understand if some people are not willing to put their personal information here in crypto land, at least not this soon. After all, everyone keeps talking about BC is still a young coin (which it is). But I'm sure all of that will come with time. If you want to get more involved, then get more involved. Nobody is stopping you. And simply posting on BTCTalk isn't going to accomplish that. If you're serious about being proactive, then do it. Go to Blackcointalk, and start a new project thread. Outline the details, costs, time frame, etc. Get Soepkip or other known members of BC on it. Expose it to these "foundation" members that may actually be able to fund it if they like it! |
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