[INFO] Topps Allen & Ginter Reference Thread

[Mrstacy]

Here is another thing that PSA grades: Sealed packs.  

I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top.  The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent.  If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300!  (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.

If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM.  No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.

That's a pretty cool pack you got but you cant extrapolate costs like that and how much that turns into value of the pack you own.  It should certainly get a little more than the card is worth but not nearly the amount X odds of getting one

i see your point, but i now many of us buy packs with the goal of pulling a certain card (brooklyn, silver 1/1, etc)  i'm just trying to make the case that it is better money management to buy the card you want with an analysis to back it up.

I've purchased 2 full cases of ginter cards and an X case.  As fun as it was to open those packs, it didn't make financial sense.

Oh absolutely, it's extremely tough to find the card you want on top.  I'm an old school sports card collector and still have rack packs with Jerry rice rc on top, graded.  Roger Clemens fleer rc on top of a cello pack, Lawrence taylor topps rack pack with taylor rc on top..bonds, Griffey jr, ton of rcs on top.  Insanely hard to keep unopened but that's the collector in us all  

Wish I just had that jordon 86 fleer rookie card on top  

Wow. A Joe Montana 9 grade went for over 1100.  A jordan must be off the charts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Topps-Football-GAI-9-Steiner-PSA-Cello-Pack-Joe-Montana-Autograph-RC-Top/123206348040?hash=item1cafabad08:g:9iEAAOSwMNVa-zQD

[wheelz1200]

Here is another thing that PSA grades: Sealed packs.  

I sent in a sealed 3-card pack with the crypto card on top.  The odds are getting that card on top are lower than a 1/3 of 1 percent.  If you were to order a ton of value packs in hopes of getting a crypto card on top - 350 of them, you'd have to pay about $2,300!  (3 packs of value backs cost about 20 bucks, 350/3 = 116.67, 116.67 x 20 = 2,333.

If you are in the market for a PSA 10 one, let send me a PM.  No pictures yet, they are still sealing it.

That's a pretty cool pack you got but you cant extrapolate costs like that and how much that turns into value of the pack you own.  It should certainly get a little more than the card is worth but not nearly the amount X odds of getting one

i see your point, but i now many of us buy packs with the goal of pulling a certain card (brooklyn, silver 1/1, etc)  i'm just trying to make the case that it is better money management to buy the card you want with an analysis to back it up.

I've purchased 2 full cases of ginter cards and an X case.  As fun as it was to open those packs, it didn't make financial sense.

Oh absolutely, it's extremely tough to find the card you want on top.  I'm an old school sports card collector and still have rack packs with Jerry rice rc on top, graded.  Roger Clemens fleer rc on top of a cello pack, Lawrence taylor topps rack pack with taylor rc on top..bonds, Griffey jr, ton of rcs on top.  Insanely hard to keep unopened but that's the collector in us all  

Wish I just had that jordon 86 fleer rookie card on top  

Wow. A Joe Montana 9 grade went for over 1100.  A jordan must be off the charts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Topps-Football-GAI-9-Steiner-PSA-Cello-Pack-Joe-Montana-Autograph-RC-Top/123206348040?hash=item1cafabad08:g:9iEAAOSwMNVa-zQD

The jordon card is the modern day crem de la crem.  Older cards mantles, ruth etc obviously hold more weight.  I went in balls deep on 88-89 fleet basketball....2 years too late  

I was a big collector of rc on top of packs.  

Fun fact: 1986 basketball fleet cards were all packaged pretty much the same.  So if you got a Dominique rc in the pack you also got a jordon rc, they werent random

[wheelz1200]

The holy grail of pack openings : https://www.ebay.com/i/362415219954?chn=ps&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F362415219954%25253Fchn%25253Dps%2526itemid%253D362415219954%2526targetid%253D593772196773%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9052378%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1689945013%2526adgroupid%253D69559042287%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-593772196773%2526abcId%253D1140466%2526merchantid%253D6367614%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjw1pblBRDSARIsACfUG12BZYDCl8hJOuMX_2AgY2V27iX0exF2pYUtKbki9GtvmCxUp7VKudcaAgfcEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1922439420465%2526rvr_ts%253De9c892241690a9c53232c5d7fffdeada

[dolphriends]

Yep without a doubt, I have been lucky enough to have seen the exact 1986 fleer Michael Jordan RC that is displayed in the beckett magazine of the first complete 1986 fleer complete set auction.  I forget what month and year of the magazine, but they were all mint graded cards.  Probably went for a fortune.

[Fattcatt]

Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:

https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779

[dolphriends]

Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:

https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779

I agree with you completely. 

[wheelz1200]

Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:

https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779

If you buy this box you dont open it.  And if you did you could by average have 3 of these jordans.  Also this is the best rc year for basketball.  Karl malone, Ewing, John Stockton, chris Mullins, Charles Barkley, clyde drexler, Dominique, Thomas, etc...

But again the value is keeping it sealed.

[Fattcatt]

Dolpfriends, we are always on the same page  


"could" isn't a hit .... is it? Even if you did get a hit or two, who's to say how it would grade? Too many moving parts, are the cards stuck together, centered, how were they stored....meh....just buy the card.

[Mrstacy]

Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:

https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779

I agree with you completely. 

I see that there is a higher level of authentication other than grading.  DNA testing.  At those prices, i can see why.

[Mrstacy]

Why spend that with no guarantee of pulling anything? When you could just buy this:

https://www.ebay.com/i/332834397779?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160908110712%26meid%3Db314f425f75e4d109433a4627785f904%26pid%3D100677%26rk%3D15%26rkt%3D30%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D362415219954%26itm%3D332834397779

If you buy this box you dont open it.  And if you did you could by average have 3 of these jordans.  Also this is the best rc year for basketball.  Karl malone, Ewing, John Stockton, chris Mullins, Charles Barkley, clyde drexler, Dominique, Thomas, etc...

But again the value is keeping it sealed.

3 Jordan's at 18k a piece, that is a nice return.

[wheelz1200]

Dolpfriends, we are always on the same page  


"could" isn't a hit .... is it? Even if you did get a hit or two, who's to say how it would grade? Too many moving parts, are the cards stuck together, centered, how were they stored....meh....just buy the card.

 

You are not getting it.  You can find 36 (a full box) packs for much cheaper.  The value for that item is in the sealed box

And on average you hit 3.27 (3 or 4) of every rookie in the set

Back in 1986 it wasnt random...literally the same cards in the same packs duplicated over and over, not like today so it's pretty much a guarantee 3 are in the box

[jackbauercsgo]

Good discussions all around!

At first I was 100% with catt, but wheelz makes an interesting point with how each box *should* have identical cards (not really left to chance). Unless someone maybe found a way to open and then re-seal the box?

[dolphriends]

Good discussions all around!

At first I was 100% with catt, but wheelz makes an interesting point with how each box *should* have identical cards (not really left to chance). Unless someone maybe found a way to open and then re-seal the box?

Problem is back in 1986 many cards were off center, miscut, etc. so doubtful you will pull a gem card and also there have been couterfeit packs and boxes out there.  Need to be extremely knowledgeable , just my opinion.

[wheelz1200]

Jack and dolph, yes and yes.

Could boxes be opened sure.  There is a top of the line authenticator, I forget right now and these boxes should all be run through them

And dolph, miscuts were so prevalent back then, def a risk

But this box should never be opened.  If this box is at a card auction, no matter what other item was there (even if more expensive, maybe outside of the grail Wagner card) this lot would garner the most interest.  In basketball it is the most coveted item and as the years go on it will only grow in value.  This sealed box will go for over $100k soon

[Fattcatt]

Still very dependant upon how that box was stored as to the quality of its contents. Heat can do some funky things to colors, and 33 years is a long time, if the cards were printed later in the run, the top/bottom & left/right will likely be off. The factory sealed sets (early numbers) back in the day, were the way to go. I think a box with sticks of gum and stickers in it decrease it's value. If you're going to spend that kinda money, why not just get the card(s) that you want? That box should be in a museum or something for everyone to see. My 2 Satoshi's.

[wheelz1200]

All I agree with you it's a major gamble but keep walking past the collectivity of sealed boxes.

https://www.beckett.com/news/1986-87-fleer-basketball-box-sells-for-66000/

[Fattcatt]

As promised, here are some photo's of my Unicorns    Enjoy!!!  ONE of a kind Error #83 Crypto Card without numbers. (5x7)

[jackbauercsgo]

Holy crap... Those are awesom.  How many of those exist? 

 

[Fattcatt]

Okay, just confirmed Steem Unicorn is a ONE of a kind, and I am not aware of ANY other Crypto Rookie card errors. So yeah, both items that you see are in fact one-of-a-kind Unicorns

[Fattcatt]

someone got a bargain


https://www.ebay.com/itm/362599177525?_trksid=p2380057.m570.l5999&_trkparms=gh1g%3DI362599177525.N36.S2.R3.TR3