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July 26, 2019, 12:14:08 PM
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Spam away
https://craigwright.net/blog/bitcoin-blockchain-tech/spam-away/

Bitcoin SV (BSV) now stands head and shoulders above the rest
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-sv-bsv-now-stands-head-and-shoulders-above-the-rest/

"The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide. Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling."  Satoshi Nakamoto, April 2009          Avoiding taxes is totally legal if you consider and respect the law.
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The main problem with this piece is Craig isn't Satoshi. Ergo, there's no possible way he could speak for Satoshi. Funny how some proponents in this thread try to pretend it doesn't matter if Craig is Satoshi or not, yet everything Craig does is a desperate plea for people to believe that he is.

Bitcoin SV (BSV) now stands head and shoulders above the rest
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-sv-bsv-now-stands-head-and-shoulders-above-the-rest/

From the same Fake News outlet that brought you such hits as "Craig Wright granted patent on Bitcoin white paper, recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto by U.S. copyright office..." No thanks, hard pass.

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July 26, 2019, 02:47:19 PM
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Av Joe is not a System supporter - BTC is scaming such poor guys to spent ther Money on tech shit and leave them with less Money for their live

Av Joe can just enjoy cheap and safe Bitcoin - it scales for many big industries to run miners. Here is the future.

PoW is thinking about happy future.

The only scam is CSW posing as Satoshi, and this "Satoshi vision BS".

BSV safe ? https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-btc-bsv.html#1y

We do not Need CSW to call it Bitcoin - it is such simple to see with some guts - same as to see that it is safe to use for any Av Joe on the planet - much more than Segshit & LieNing.

See - you never can stay on the Topic - troll away



Let me quote you how you don't relate BSV and CSW posing as Satoshi.

...



What jurisdiction ya mean?  Nah...

Edit.

Read and get the reason here

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.33.0.pdf

It is only about starting  fishing AFTER , based on
1) condolences from CSW
2) what Ira got from (core) social media

Not even getting down to correct jurisdiction, Australia

So expect only proof that CSW is Satoshi

And put ur money where u see truth is behind against what u might wish to believe

U might see such actions / "protections" from some ppl who KNOW it before you...

 Roll Eyes



...............



Any decent proof you can provide WHO really altered ? Was that you ?

Who btw wants to discred ppl without proof ?  You ?


 Shocked

Wrong. CSW posted the edited version of this on his own twitter feed: Dr Craig S Wright (@ProfFaustus) - then seemingly subsequently deleted his entire twitter feed presumable to cover up evidence.

This is not the only example of this.

You seemingly have a real problem with trying to twist hard facts and the truth.

Did he really MADE the Change himself or was it to show it WAS changed ?

Was he closing his Twitter or was it closed by Twitter ?

Still - you wanna be blind or wanna create bias

.....

Some will never like him I fear

https://coingeek.com/craig-wright-libel-suits-crypto-critics/

Guess Satoshi s been forced into reaction mode?



......

It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for a bench warrant to be issued. That would authorize the police to arrest him, but I'm guessing there's no chance of extradition.

Basically, Wright would need to avoid stepping foot in the United States.

As Satoshi, and a proven internet forensics expert, wouldn't he not be of some help for cleaning up the Bitcoin space from many (old) criminals?




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Shocked I don't understand, Craig Wright would have lied HuhHuhHuh Undecided

https://cointelegraph.com/news/craig-wright-uses-falsified-docs-to-prove-innocence-in-kleiman-case


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Self-proclaimed Bitcoin (BTC) creator Craig Wright has allegedly provided fabricated court documents to prove a trust deed with his plaintiffs, as seen from documents revealed by trial lawyer Stephen Palley on Twitter on July 3.

https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1146527019326496769?fbclid=IwAR1dUaIH43GVrHwLgj7CkM0h42O4P-jixgdqnzh37NbeGfY2KjNciY7-ajM

According to Palley, the self-styled Satoshi Nakamoto has failed to prove his case by presenting court documents that Palley alleges to be fake, as they contain multiple chronological discrepancies.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/kleiman-v-wright/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Among the exhibits filed with the District Court for the Florida Southern District on July 3, there is a document submitted as proof of cooperation between Wright and the now-deceased David Kleiman, whose lawyers filed the case against Wright in February 2018. Kleiman’s lawyers accuse Wright of stealing hundreds of thousands of Bitcoin — at press time valued at over $5 billion — after Kleiman’s death in April 2013.

While the presented deed of trust document is ostensibly dated Oct. 23, 2012, the metadata of the file indicates that the document was actually created after the death of Kleiman, as Palley found. The trust document apparently uses a 2015 copyright notice related to Calibri, the Microsoft Word font, indicating that the document could not be from earlier.

Alleged falsification of trust deed documents by Craig Wright

Alleged falsification of trust deed documents by Craig Wright. Source: Stephen Palley

Following the apparent accusation of Wright for forging the court documents, Palley wrote:

“I mean it makes sense that the inventor of bitcoin can time travel.  Your honor.”

In late June, Wright declared that he cannot comply with a court order to provide a list of all his early bitcoin addresses, claiming that he gave a key piece of information regarding the funds and wallets to Kleiman before his death.


Can someone explain to me what's going on? Is this guy a liar or not?  Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry



How poor is that ? 

Who provided those docs ? 
When fabricated ?
What u want to tell / beleive here ?

nothing

And

At 1TB week is 52 TB year

I thought Craigy's policy all along was that they don't want little people involved in the running of BSV.

Anything that makes it more centralised is a welcome development in their eyes. Presumably the end game is one datacentre with him masturbating furiously every time those 'gigamegs' get bigger.

No, the good thing is that many trustworthy institutions will run enough infrastructure for anyone in the world, and hobby guys can still run btc raspi shit.

What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party. 

Thx for reading and reposting all my good posts here again

What you need is understanding all that in proper context with what the globe needs and original Bitcoin can provide with no block size cap.

Dunno what u little ano think other anos want, try to fck up btc more for that , it is a free world.

I wish u best with that experiment

But seems u still need to hang around here and learn, that's even better

Carpe diem  -  understand the White Paper and mine honest.
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July 26, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
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Its not based on anything other than a preference of belief, yours is that BSV is closer to being the Bitcoin that Satoshi intended. There's no way to prove that of course

May be no way of knowing what Satoshi intended. However, we do know what Satoshi initially bequeathed us (haha - bequeathed - almost like religion again:) ). And we know that BSV is much closer to that than is BTC. And getting closer with each release.

Just like religion, bitcoin is allowed to evolve.

Well, I'm no theologian. But that sounds looney. I thought a central tenet of theism -- each such -- posits an absolute unyielding truth. This notion is incompatible with the notion of an evolving religion.

Though that may only serve to illustrate the stretch of your Bitcoin as religion analogy.

Of course, Bitcoin is allowed to evolve. (permissionless, anyone?) However, one is also free to question the wisdom of an evolving Bitcoin. I think it very unwise. At least in the absence of any proven defects. You seem to think others are smarter than Satoshi, and have understanding of the tradeoffs better than does s/he. Perhaps. Perhaps not.

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Nobody said it _has_ to stay a particular way, that is, unless you believe Satoshi was some omnipotent, perfect being and the white paper itself is some sort of divine text.

The white paper does not need to be divinely inspired in order for it to describe the most optimal solution for this space. Again, in the absence of proven defects...

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July 26, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
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It is Bitcoin - but not ur BTC  (what is altered SegwitCoin)

Never will be: centralized,

False.

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unsustainable,

While unknowable a priori, that is quite unlikely.

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average Joe can't run a full node

False.

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so it's very unBitcoin.

Well, you're batting zero for three in your stated criteria. So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! It's the most Bitcoiniest of the Bitcoins. At least from the standpoint of the design of the protocol itself. The only legitimate claim BTC/Segwit/Core has on the title is popularity. Which can be fleeting.

Few mining pools, few nodes and less and less. It's centralizing, that's a fact.

Average Joe won't spend 1600usd (HDDs only) to run a full node

As long as there are no structural barriers for new entrants to the space of non-mining, fully-validating clients (i.e., what you so blithely mis-refer to as 'full nodes'), the network is exactly as decentralized as it need be. It's not as if having lots of non-mining, fully-validating clients actually provides any benefit to the network at large.

As far as mining:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%
# of pools required to make over 50% on BSV today: 5 - Coingeek 27.08%, Mempool 11.81%, SVPool 6.25%, Dpool 4.17%, BMG Pool 3.47%
So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

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It is Bitcoin - but not ur BTC  (what is altered SegwitCoin)

Never will be: centralized,

False.

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unsustainable,

While unknowable a priori, that is quite unlikely.

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average Joe can't run a full node

False.

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so it's very unBitcoin.

Well, you're batting zero for three in your stated criteria. So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! It's the most Bitcoiniest of the Bitcoins. At least from the standpoint of the design of the protocol itself. The only legitimate claim BTC/Segwit/Core has on the title is popularity. Which can be fleeting.

Few mining pools, few nodes and less and less. It's centralizing, that's a fact.

Average Joe won't spend 1600usd (HDDs only) to run a full node

As long as there are no structural barriers for new entrants to the space of non-mining, fully-validating clients (i.e., what you so blithely mis-refer to as 'full nodes'), the network is exactly as decentralized as it need be. It's not as if having lots of non-mining, fully-validating clients actually provides any benefit to the network at large.

As far as mining:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%
# of pools required to make over 50% on BSV today: 5 - Coingeek 27.08%, Mempool 11.81%, SVPool 6.25%, Dpool 4.17%, BMG Pool 3.47%
So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.
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July 26, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
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It is Bitcoin - but not ur BTC  (what is altered SegwitCoin)

Never will be: centralized,

False.

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unsustainable,

While unknowable a priori, that is quite unlikely.

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average Joe can't run a full node

False.

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so it's very unBitcoin.

Well, you're batting zero for three in your stated criteria. So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! It's the most Bitcoiniest of the Bitcoins. At least from the standpoint of the design of the protocol itself. The only legitimate claim BTC/Segwit/Core has on the title is popularity. Which can be fleeting.

Few mining pools, few nodes and less and less. It's centralizing, that's a fact.

Average Joe won't spend 1600usd (HDDs only) to run a full node

As long as there are no structural barriers for new entrants to the space of non-mining, fully-validating clients (i.e., what you so blithely mis-refer to as 'full nodes'), the network is exactly as decentralized as it need be. It's not as if having lots of non-mining, fully-validating clients actually provides any benefit to the network at large.

As far as mining:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%
# of pools required to make over 50% on BSV today: 5 - Coingeek 27.08%, Mempool 11.81%, SVPool 6.25%, Dpool 4.17%, BMG Pool 3.47%
So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

Today, tut, Today. Do try to keep up.



So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

More telling, however, is your lack of response to the following:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%

Kinda belies the absurdity of your 'bubut muh BSV mining centralization as compared to BTC', amirite?

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https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

Today, tut, Today. Do try to keep up.



So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

More telling, however, is your lack of response to the following:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%

Kinda belies the absurdity of your 'bubut muh BSV mining centralization as compared to BTC', amirite?

Get your facts straight. Right now 4 pools are enough (do the live calculation) on BSV.

BTW, are you trying to make a general rule based on 24 hours ?

Last 7 days:


https://sv.coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
BSV: 3 pools represent in total 50% or more HR.

https://coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
Bitcoin: 4 pools  represent in total 50% or more HR.


My point is valid.


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https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-sv/charts/hashrate-distribution
CoinGeek - 29%
svpool.com - 13%
Mempool.com - 11%
3 pools, 53%

So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

Today, tut, Today. Do try to keep up.



So... ::bzzzt!:: wrong! Again.

More telling, however, is your lack of response to the following:
# of pools required to make over 50% on BTC today: 3 - BTC.com 28.47%, F2Pool 13.19%, Poolin 11.81%

Kinda belies the absurdity of your 'bubut muh BSV mining centralization as compared to BTC', amirite?

Get your facts straight. Right now 4 pools are enough (do the live calculation) on BSV.

My facts are straight. As I said from the outset: "Today".

'Right now' is instantaneous. 24 hours is closer to instantaneous than 7 days. But fine, let's go with your figures for shits'n'giggles.

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Last 7 days:

https://sv.coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
BSV: 3 pools represent in total 50% or more HR.

https://coin.dance/blocks/thisweek
Bitcoin: 4 pools  represent in total 50% or more HR.

So your point would seem to boil down to: 3 miners is certain death by centralization, while 4 miners is no risk whatsoever.

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My point is valid.

Riiiight. </sarc>

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Bitcoin SV (BSV) now stands head and shoulders above the rest
https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-sv-bsv-now-stands-head-and-shoulders-above-the-rest/

From the same Fake News outlet that brought you such hits as "Craig Wright granted patent on Bitcoin white paper, recognized as Satoshi Nakamoto by U.S. copyright office..." No thanks, hard pass.

Did you try reading it? It contains gems like the following:

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[CSW] states that “with the increase in capacity, bitcoin becomes more useful for more parties and attracts further investment. Not because of dogma but because of economic viability and value. The more people use bitcoin, the more valuable it becomes the miners and the cheaper the transaction is becoming the same time. It’s a virtuous circle.”

Such nonsense on so many levels.

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Did you try reading it? It contains gems like the following:

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[CSW] states that “with the increase in capacity, bitcoin becomes more useful for more parties and attracts further investment. Not because of dogma but because of economic viability and value. The more people use bitcoin, the more valuable it becomes the miners and the cheaper the transaction is becoming the same time. It’s a virtuous circle.”

Such nonsense on so many levels.

Wow, and all this time I thought Craig was a native English speaker...

Also from the article:

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In less than one year of the BSV ticker’s existence, it has managed to overtake a majority number of top 10 coins by market cap in transaction volume and is on track to overtake BTC volume in the very near future.

What a load of bollocks. The only top 10 coin BSV "overtakes" (or comes close to overtaking) in transaction volume is Binance Coin. Like Craig, they'll just say anything, and then believe that since they said it, it must be true.

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July 27, 2019, 04:42:58 AM
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Wow, and all this time I thought Craig was a native English speaker...

He's got at least gegamegs of knowledge when it comes to the engwish.  Way moar than low life peeps, and if he say some differently, it's because he think and expresses moar better.

Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA

How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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https://www.yours.org/content/the-wonder-and-curiosity-that-is-cityonchain-6b0b20a1beba/#comments
Sooner, rater then later no-coiners will have no say
Twetch or https://cityonchain.com/hotRoom ....... (like digital yellow pages or craigs list on chain)



In other news, a Bitcoin Core Lightining User

"The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide. Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling."  Satoshi Nakamoto, April 2009          Avoiding taxes is totally legal if you consider and respect the law.
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Nice reading about the return of op_return

https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/07/27/the-return-of-op_return-roadmap-to-genesis-part-4/

For push data use op_pd


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Hashrate +30% today

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BitCoin Original Forever

https://bsvforeverfund.com/

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Another leap forward, 248MB block on Mainnet!
Nothing else comes close
Before already a 236.67 MB block
https://satoshi.io/block-height/593116
Whats that 4 days of BTC confirming time?

Quick lets find the defibrillator the orange line is flat-lining, red one is pumping nice.

"The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide. Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost. It never really hits a scale ceiling."  Satoshi Nakamoto, April 2009          Avoiding taxes is totally legal if you consider and respect the law.
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BSV price very high on waves DEX ?

https://dev.pywaves.org/marketcap/
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July 28, 2019, 03:39:49 PM
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BSV price very high on waves DEX ?

https://dev.pywaves.org/marketcap/

Don't know how they came up with that number but its completely wrong.

Current buy price: 0.01484551 BTC
WAVES/BSV pairing is even less

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July 28, 2019, 07:51:54 PM
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Another leap forward, 248MB block on Mainnet!
Nothing else comes close
Before already a 236.67 MB block
https://satoshi.io/block-height/593116
Whats that 4 days of BTC confirming time?

Quick lets find the defibrillator the orange line is flat-lining, red one is pumping nice.


"Bitcoin, an electronic peer to peer cash system". Remember ?

Your gigameg wanabee block: less than 2.5M USD of value (2,489,450)

Bitcoin blocks:
587487   5,760,800.00
587486   24,705,600.00
587485   21,488,700.00
587484   10,788,500.00   
587483   22,153,900.00   
587482   73,447,300.00
587481   90,123,300.00
587480   42,493,200.00   
587479   8,834,990.00   

Biggest block size of these above ? 1,478MB (obviously block 587481)


So:
- BSV: 2,489,450USD for 248MB.
- Bitcoin: 90,123,300USD for 1.478MB.

BSV block size is almost 168 times bigger for 36 times less value than Bitcoin  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Bitcoin is 6000X more efficient to transfer value / money.


Keep your gigameg blocks.
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