DefaultTrust changes

[LoyceV]

Looking forward to that overview!

It's not ready yet, but as a first result, these users on DT2 need looking into:
glen123 (1) (Trust: -32: -5 / +0)
winspiral (1) (Trust: -32: -5 / +0)

Both are included by this new DT1 member:

Trust list for: willi9974 (Trust: 4: -1 / +5) (DT1! (1) 34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-04-04_Thu_10.14h)
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willi9974 Trusts:
1. Lincoln6Echo (Trust: 140: -0 / +14) (27 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Gyrsur (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Milquetoast (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Queenvio (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Sophokles (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. tom04137 (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Wed (Trust: 23: -0 / +3) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. mxnsch (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. nrg1zer (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. eneloop (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (40 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Two4D (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. lateblooming (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. Headrix (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. cagrund (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. Bitze (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. der_markus (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. ammi84 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. quer85 (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. saugwurm (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (19 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. pixmo (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. Buchi-88 (Trust: 15: -0 / +2) (68 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. yesiam6 (Trust: 16: -0 / +2) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. asodinis (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. Denizs66 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. cryptodevil (Trust: 62: -0 / +7) (DT1! (15) 97 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. bachel (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. PublicP2poolNode (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. GoogleBit (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. glen123 (Trust: -32: -5 / +0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. cryptouser (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. jadefalke (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (13 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. RealMalatesta (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. ZyTReX (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (6 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. Johnsinkler82 (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
35. Christian1998 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. Vaagar (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. oliver12 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
38. Real-Duke (Trust: neutral) (35 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. ds06 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
40. kettenschutz (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
41. blizzen1 (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
42. voephilisI (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
43. cincan (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. DeNoiser (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
45. winspiral (Trust: -32: -5 / +0) (22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
46. LoneRangir (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
47. supertee (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
48. Lutpin (Trust: 0: -1 / +31) (769 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
49. cicip (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
50. maeusi (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
51. minibit (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
52. x3t9fi (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
53. mamboOo (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
54. MrDJ (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
55. kingmoppel (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
56. thiel (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
57. Heardalis (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
58. worgon12 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
59. TrendFriend (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
60. Heppe (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
61. KC377 (Trust: ???: -1 / +3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
62. mersense (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
63. Mitarbeiter (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
64. celeborne (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
65. emreisik (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
66. gege2000 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
67. belaweb2 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
68. Wuffel83 (Trust: 3: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
69. Empire-Mining (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
70. AnoniX1 (Trust: 4: -0 / +1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
71. Amazontrading (Trust: 3: -0 / +1) (21 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

willi9974 Distrusts:
1. ~tss (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~Finksy (Trust: 50: -0 / +5) (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

willi9974 is Trusted by:
1. phantastisch (Trust: 117: -0 / +12) (DT1! (4) 237 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. fronti (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (115 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Sophokles (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Wed (Trust: 23: -0 / +3) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. eneloop (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (40 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. lateblooming (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Headrix (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. cagrund (Trust: 30: -0 / +3) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. der_markus (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ammi84 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. pixmo (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Buchi-88 (Trust: 15: -0 / +2) (68 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. 5tift (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (5 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. o_solo_miner (Trust: 2: -0 / +1) (46 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. blizzen1 (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. voephilisI (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. mr.relax (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. Lafu (Trust: 54: -0 / +7) (DT1! (13) 465 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. Heardalis (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. worgon12 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. Nightking (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. cisA (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. mersense (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. Empire-Mining (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. Pathfinder29 (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. CZeroMobility (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. 1miau (Trust: 7: -0 / +1) (DT1! (6) 646 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~willi9974 is Distrusted by:
1. actmyname (Trust: 118: -0 / +13) (DT1! (25) 430 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. DarkStar_ (Trust: 253: -0 / +29) (DT1! (27) 649 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other doesn't trust him.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

His trust score went up from 4: -1 / +5 to 707: -0 / +74, which means he's added almost all users who left him positive trust to his trust list.
I'd say this is not how DT1 should be used. Before jumping to conclusions and excluding him, I'm posting it here :)

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[Vod]

Or we get a hybrid system.

I like it! This might actually work: force users to choose:
Option 1: Use theymos' DT1 selections and use the system as it was last year.
Option 2: Set your own custom Trust list and use the system we have now.

Or give them the ability to see both!

[suchmoon]

glen123 (1) (Trust: -32: -5 / +0)

This one seems to be also evading red trust and possibly a ban: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1112287

[mikeywith]

This is exactly why older more established members should be in charge of the trust system.

I have no comments about what's going on between you and others, as a matter of fact I do trust you a lot, and i do trust some people whom you don't trust and some people that don't trust you and i guess that's normal despite how messed up it looks.

but the quoted statement above is wrong at it's best.

here is a list of 78 confirmed scammers > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3486346.msg36123932#msg36123932

more than 90% of them were never tagged by the "older more established members " but rather by the "new comers" despite the fact that many of them have been scamming the forum long before the new system was implemented.

not saying this because I am a "new comer" DT member but i do not seem to understand why does older has to mean better judgment.

yes i have no clue about the past of this forum, don't know what did TMAN do to who and why does Lauda  not trust you and all that drama, and i honestly don't care , and I don't need to know all that shit to tag scammers.

let alone the simple fact that a few DT members alone can never handle a couple of hundreds if not thousands scammers coming in every week.


 

His trust score went up from 4: -1 / +5 to 707: -0 / +74, which means he's added almost all users who left him positive trust to his trust list.
I'd say this is not how DT1 should be used. Before jumping to conclusions and excluding him, I'm posting it here

nothing out of the ordinary , just a quick hack  " how to change untrusted feedback to trusted feedback". he forgot to add 4 members who gave him positive feedback tho, maybe because the risked BTC amount was not high enough.

his sent feedback is even worse.

this guy with no doubt does not deserve to be a DT member.

[Vod]

but i do not seem to understand why does older has to mean better judgment.

In the same way older people have more wisdom than children.  It comes with aging...

[DarkStar_]

His trust score went up from 4: -1 / +5 to 707: -0 / +74, which means he's added almost all users who left him positive trust to his trust list.
I'd say this is not how DT1 should be used. Before jumping to conclusions and excluding him, I'm posting it here

Does this link show 687: -0 / +72 for anyone else? On DT Breakdown, he shows as excluded:


Yet all his additions still show up on his profile for some reason. Tried with different browsers & clearing cache but same result.

[EcuaMobi]

His trust score went up from 4: -1 / +5 to 707: -0 / +74, which means he's added almost all users who left him positive trust to his trust list.
I'd say this is not how DT1 should be used. Before jumping to conclusions and excluding him, I'm posting it here

Does this link show 687: -0 / +72 for anyone else? On DT Breakdown, he shows as excluded:


Yet all his additions still show up on his profile for some reason. Tried with different browsers & clearing cache but same result.

He's been just excluded now after LoyceV's post. I'd guess default trust (;dt) is cached once in a while. It should be updated after some time.

Clearly the main (only?) parameter for him to add someone into his trust list is having received positive trust from them. So excluding him from DT1 makes a huge difference in his trust.

[mikeywith]

same here, also here > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt  he still (1) despite the negative count in the Hierarchical view.

I think it takes time for these things to show up.

edit: it's showing 41: -0 / +5 now

[Vod]

Yet all his additions still show up on his profile for some reason. Tried with different browsers & clearing cache but same result.

Could be a cache delay on server side.  I know how difficult it is to pull live data so often.

[eddie13]

This is exactly why older more established members should be in charge of the trust system.

I have no comments about what's going on between you and others, as a matter of fact I do trust you a lot, and i do trust some people whom you don't trust and some people that don't trust you and i guess that's normal despite how messed up it looks.

but the quoted statement above is wrong at it's best.

here is a list of 78 confirmed scammers > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3486346.msg36123932#msg36123932

more than 90% of them were never tagged by the "older more established members " but rather by the "new comers" despite the fact that many of them have been scamming the forum long before the new system was implemented.

not saying this because I am a "new comer" DT member but i do not seem to understand why does older has to mean better judgment.

yes i have no clue about the past of this forum, don't know what did TMAN do to who and why does Lauda  not trust you and all that drama, and i honestly don't care , and I don't need to know all that shit to tag scammers.

let alone the simple fact that a few DT members alone can never handle a couple of hundreds if not thousands scammers coming in every week.

Tagging scammers is great and all but just because someone finds or tags a lot of scammers does not mean that they should be in charge of the politics of the forum or even have their political opinion highly valued. Which is DT1..
Their is a delicate balance of freedom vs control and I'm not sure many newer users understand the importance of the freedom part and the old values that this old forum has upheld all this time.

I think their may be a correlation that relatively newer members working themselves up the control ladder so fast may have an above average interest in control.

Also old members having been here a very long time have a much more solid track record of not scamming or using their position of power for the wrong reasons..
The users that have been here for 5 years or better have had all of the time in the world to scam if they were going to, while a user that has only been here around one year, and has successfully engaged in a lot of control seeking behavior, and trust/reputation seeking behavior, is a red flag risk..

[Quickseller]

Tagging scammers is great and all but just because someone finds or tags a lot of scammers does not mean that they should be in charge of the politics of the forum or even have their political opinion highly valued. Which is DT1..
Their is a delicate balance of freedom vs control and I'm not sure many newer users understand the importance of the freedom part and the old values that this old forum has upheld all this time.

If I had any sMerit left, I would give this post merit.

I have noticed a lot of newer users are trigger happy when it comes to tagging users, and a lot of the time, they do not even try to defend their position when challenged. Some of these users receive a decent amount of trust for "tagging 'scammers'" and don't engage in trades, or very few trades, and are in DT1.

I have also noticed some users (also new), also call out many scammers, but seem to go largely unnoticed in terms of receiving trust, and don't get anywhere near DT1.

 

[mikeywith]

you are mixing things up here, a trustworthy user does not necessary mean a good reviewer, the initial purpose of the trust system was intended for that ONLY  > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664

it was even named "Marketplace trust" when it was first implemented, just because some people use it for other purposes , it does not mean that it's good for anything else aside from mainly tagging scammers.

not being on DT does not reduce your right of free speech, not even having negative feed back does, in fact a few people with negative feedback post more than 100 other users combined on Meta alone, your theory would have been valid if the trust system limits you from posting or something like that.

aside from that a good DT member is one who spots scammers and abusers, if satoshi himself was to come back and not be active in terms of tagging scammers then he does not deserve to be a DT member, he would probably be the most trusted member but that's a whole different story.

so unless the community members are going to benefit from your position in terms of trading, then there is no reason why one should be on DT list just for their own self satisfaction.

If I had any sMerit left, I would give this post merit.

for obvious reasons you don't.

you are probably lean towards "older members prioritizing theory"  because you have been a member since 2014 and due to your untrustworthy actions you are way too far form being neither trusted nor on DT while some people have proven themselves both wise in terms of giving feedback and trading in under a year, you and many other members are  perfect examples of why older does not always mean better.

[eddie13]

you are mixing things up here, a trustworthy user does not necessary mean a good reviewer, the initial purpose of the trust system was intended for that ONLY  > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221664#msg2221664

DTs need to be good reviewers and trustworthy to make good decisions. Especially DT1s..

it was even named "Marketplace trust" when it was first implemented, just because some people use it for other purposes , it does not mean that it's good for anything else aside from mainly tagging scammers.

What about labeling users you can trust to trade with?

not being on DT does not reduce your right of free speech, not even having negative feed back does, in fact a few people with negative feedback post more than 100 other users combined on Meta alone, your theory would have been valid if the trust system limits you from posting or something like that.

I don't get your point here..

aside from that a good DT member is one who spots scammers and abusers, if satoshi himself was to come back and not be active in terms of tagging scammers then he does not deserve to be a DT member, he would probably be the most trusted member but that's a whole different story.

Satoshi should most definitely be DT1.. Are you kidding?
You don't deserve to be on DT just by tagging scammers, or the opposite..

so unless the community members are going to benefit from your position in terms of trading, then there is no reason why one should be on DT list just for their own self satisfaction.

You do not need to tag scammers constantly to be on DT.

DT members don't only have the power to enforce the laws, they are entrusted with the power to make the laws, especially DT1..
The consensus of the DT1 members opinions decide who is on DT2, who is on DT1, what behavior is acceptable, and what behavior is not acceptable..
We need DT1 members that we can trust to make good laws, or come to a good consensus of what is right and wrong for the community.. Not just hand out tags..

some people have proven themselves both wise in terms of giving feedback and trading in under a year

Or maybe they have proven themselves wise enough to give off that impression? Too much ambition to gain trust and power is untrustworthy.
1 year is nothing... Is a 1 year setup even enough to classify as a "long" con? Possibly not..

[Quickseller]

If I had any sMerit left, I would give this post merit.

for obvious reasons you don't.

Correct. I have received the 99th most merit out of every forum member, and the 29th most generous recent merit giver.

you are probably lean towards "older members prioritizing theory" 

Perhaps you should review my posts, or ask my opinion instead of blindly assuming my stance on issues. Your statement is a prime example why you are unqualified to play any role in forum politics....

[mikeywith]

I don't get your point here..

you talked about freedom, and i explained that every member on the forum has the same level of freedom regardless of their position and score in the trust system.

The consensus of the DT1 members opinions decide who is on DT2, who is on DT1, what behavior is acceptable, and what behavior is not acceptable..
We need DT1 members that we can trust to make good laws, or come to a good consensus of what is right and wrong for the community.. Not just hand out tags..

The laws that are followed now came from old DT members , the majority of new DT1 and DT2 members are elected by old members, so if you trust their judgment then there is no reason to nag about new members.

Satoshi should most definitely be DT1.. Are you kidding?

Nop , i am not ! it's good to see you practice what you preach, just checked Satoshi's trust page and you have him in your trust list despite the fact that he has 0  feedback sent ,and most likely will never send any, you seem to be confusing trust list and DT to feedback and trustworthiness. having Satoshi in your trust list does nothing besides adding a new row into the forum's database.

but hey that's just my opinion,  if you still insist that only old members should be on DT , you may very well sort all users by user's ID and include the first 100/1000/5000 members in your list.

I have received the 99th most merit out of every forum member

and i received the 44th most merited in just a few months, not a big deal.

  

Perhaps you should review my posts, or ask my opinion instead of blindly assuming my stance on issues.

Sorry if i was too harsh ,its not me who accused you for anything, it's the "older members" whom you think should control DT list , why bother explain yourself to a new comer like me ? i am just a random person who "trigger happy when it comes to tagging users"  known by nobody, you should spend the time sorting things out with those that you think matter most.

Your statement is a prime example why you are unqualified to play any role in forum politics....

You are probably right, except that, i have 0 interest in forum politics, and i give no fuck who likes/dislikes whom, check my trust list and you will understand, my main motive is to expose and tag scammers and that's it.

[Vod]

You don't deserve to be on DT just by tagging scammers, or the opposite..

I would (obviously) disagree..

At one time DT was filled with people who cared about bitcoin.
Now it is filling with people who care about making money with bitcoin.

[1miau]

It's not ready yet, but as a first result, these users on DT2 need looking into:
glen123 (1) (Trust: -32: -5 / +0)
winspiral (1) (Trust: -32: -5 / +0)

Both are included by this new DT1 member:

Trust list for: willi9974 (Trust: 4: -1 / +5) (DT1! (1) 34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-04-04_Thu_10.14h)
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Thanks for posting, I've removed him from my trust list for now and will tell him about the situation.

I added him to my trust list earlier because he is offering a trusted escrow in the German local board for very long and he left some feedback about the trades so I thought it would be good to have his ratings visible in the German community (DT2). He did also some group buys where he purchased miners for solo mining and splitted the profits to the investors (similar to LoyceV's 10 Altcoins challenge but for mining) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1348143.0

I wasn't aware that he set all the users he traded with on his personal trust list and that isn't how DT1 works to add everyone there. It doesn't look to me that he did so to push his trust rating, only a confusion of trust list and sent feedback.
Removed for now and will tell him to review it.

[bill gator]

You don't deserve to be on DT just by tagging scammers, or the opposite..

What exactly is the opposite of tagging scammers? Is it, being tagged by scammers?
Has anyone suggested that would be adequate criteria for DT selection?

The disagreement seemed to be about whether or not Satoshi would belong on DT1 if they were active; I guess the simple answer is that they would be treated the same way as anyone else under the new system. If I had to guess, it would be more their choice to be on DT1 or not (as we've seen with well-respected members already) because of the amount of inclusions and meeting the other criteria.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

What exactly is the opposite of tagging scammers? Is it, being tagged by scammers?

Who knows.  The problem with people getting on DT by way of scam-busting is that it doesn't really prove how honest that person is, and even though that is (I think) the reason I was put on DT, I still believe that.  A member can easily just tag a lot of scammy accounts and work their way up to DT in order to pull off a really big scam.  I don't know if that has actually been done, but it's possible.  At least if you have a history of transactions involving money you could have scammed, there's some real basis for trust.

Assuming Satoshi was still around and hadn't scammed anybody, I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be on DT1.  And under those conditions, he'd deserve to be.  If you can go 10 years without showing evidence of scamming behavior and you actually created bitcoin....yeah, that's DT material IMO.

[eddie13]

I don't get your point here..

you talked about freedom, and i explained that every member on the forum poses the same level of freedom regardless of their position and score in the trust system.

How about freedom from harassment? How about some recent cases such as..
Weather or not to tag all lenders who take collateral accounts?
Weather or not to tag all sellers of facebook, twitter, and youtube accounts?
Tagging sold accounts on what evidence?
Tagging accounts based on their affiliation with lemons?
Red tags greatly diminish a users ability to trade and therefore restricts their freedom to trade here..

The laws that are followed now came from old DT members , the majority of new DT1 and DT2 members are elected by old members, so if you trust their judgment then there is no reason to nag about new members.

The laws change here all the time, based on the current consensus of the community, now heavily DT1..
Their are current battles for/against new laws and will be into the future..
We need trusted freedom minded people to maintain just laws or the next thing you know DT will enforce KYC to have the privilege of a clear account..

Satoshi should most definitely be DT1.. Are you kidding?

Nop , i am not ! it's good to see you practice what you preach, just checked Satoshi's trust page and you have him in your trust list despite the fact that he has 0  feedback sent ,and most likely will never send any, you seem to be confusing trust list and DT to feedback and trustworthiness. having Satoshi in your trust list does nothing besides adding a new row into the forum's database.

but hey that's just my opinion,  if you still insist that only old members should be on DT , you may very well sort all users by user's ID and include the first 100/1000/5000 members in your list.

Satoshi is on my trust list for the novelty and to show respect. What about all the users who have sent merit to Satoshi or positive trust?
I do not believe I am confused..

I don't think I said that only very old members should be on DT, but rather that very new members should possibly not be on DT1, and to be cautious of those who currently are..

You don't deserve to be on DT just by tagging scammers, or the opposite..

I would (obviously) disagree..

At one time DT was filled with people who cared about bitcoin.
Now it is filling with people who care about making money with bitcoin.

I think this is a misunderstanding.. I doubt that you believe everyone that tags scammers deserves to be on DT1, only for tagging scammers, by that metric only and ignoring all other circumstances..
I agree with your last 2 lines..

What exactly is the opposite of tagging scammers? Is it, being tagged by scammers?

A DT member that is not an active scambuster.. I don't believe you have to be an active scambuster or redtagger to be on DT..

The problem with people getting on DT by way of scam-busting is that it doesn't really prove how honest that person is, and even though that is (I think) the reason I was put on DT, I still believe that.  A member can easily just tag a lot of scammy accounts and work their way up to DT in order to pull off a really big scam.  I don't know if that has actually been done, but it's possible.  At least if you have a history of transactions involving money you could have scammed, there's some real basis for trust.

Assuming Satoshi was still around and hadn't scammed anybody, I have no doubt whatsoever that he'd be on DT1.  And under those conditions, he'd deserve to be.  If you can go 10 years without showing evidence of scamming behavior and you actually created bitcoin....yeah, that's DT material IMO.

This..