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February 06, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
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since when its not allowed to have alts?
It's perfectly allowed for untrustworthy users to have alts; that's why I only gave them negative trust instead of reporting the tell-tale PMs and getting them both banned. Tongue

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So why did he get tagged  ?
If you tagg him you should also tagg the accounts of suchmoon such as glem or tagg any other known alt.

Also who are you to decide if somebody is untrustworthy or not ?Based on what evidence are you making these taggs ?

Cause currently i can only see that you are abusing the trust system which has been confirmed by theymos.
because he only wants to silence the critics of the cult that hes in he's a pussy not tagging his colleague's account.Dont worry his time will come to an end together with his cult.
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February 06, 2019, 02:16:22 PM
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Looks like someone Roll Eyes got to Gunthar and had him remove me from his inclusion list so I'd be off again.  The desperation grows...  

Ahem.....I gave my stance already in this post:

1.- i am not Lauda proxy and still I am in Lauda list. I dont change my opinion on you or others based on Lauda opinion: this is your assumption and I invite you to honestly review the way you think about it. Read my trust list and read Lauda list, you will find people in my trust list (like OG) that are excluded in Lauda list. You will find people excluded in my trust list that are excluded in Lauda list (like QS). Both examples above come from my personal interaction with mentioned users and I (as I'm sure 100% of DT members do) compile this list based on our personal opinions, thoughts and experience. I have Lauda on my list because I'm 100% sure if I let him handle my personal money, It would be cared like it was myself doing it. I have OG in my list because I am 100% sure I can do the same with him, based on my past and present interaction with him. Still Lauda tildes OG and viceversa.

Their childish fight instead is something annoying to me, they should take that in a motel room not on the forum.


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February 06, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
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Check out the latest trust rating Lauda has left me.  



The reference thread takes you to a complaint from minifrij where he was upset that I pointed out he removes/replaces feedback when he doesn't get his way.  Today I also pointed out that Lauda has engaged in this same behavior against user rmcdermott927 on this forum.  Anybody know how me pointing out that minifrij is attempting to bully me into removing my feedback by misusing the trust network equates to me being a scammer?  How does this fit into a reasonable DefaultTrust network rating?

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

I've got a popular escrow service on this site, am the OP of a longstanding community organization as well as a proof of concept Green Energy Project, sell lots of different products, & regularly try to help newbies with their issues here.  Is it right that guests should no longer be able to view my posts because I stood up to the bullying of Lauda & friends?



EVIDENCE OF LAUDA BULLYING RMCDERMOTT927
Are we seeing a pattern yet with these users?


8/23/18: Lauda left this retaliatory trust rating:


10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


Lauda is clearly abusing the system to attack anyone who exposes his constant involvement in scams. Something tells me this isn’t what theymos had in mind.

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February 06, 2019, 02:48:42 PM
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Lauda is clearly abusing the system to attack anyone who exposes his constant involvement in scams. Something tells me this isn’t what theymos had in mind.
#BlacklistTheCat because thermos didn't include an edit future.

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February 06, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
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Ahem.....I gave my stance already in this post:

1.- i am not Lauda proxy and still I am in Lauda list. I dont change my opinion on you or others based on Lauda opinion: this is your assumption and I invite you to honestly review the way you think about it. Read my trust list and read Lauda list, you will find people in my trust list (like OG) that are excluded in Lauda list. You will find people excluded in my trust list that are excluded in Lauda list (like QS). Both examples above come from my personal interaction with mentioned users and I (as I'm sure 100% of DT members do) compile this list based on our personal opinions, thoughts and experience. I have Lauda on my list because I'm 100% sure if I let him handle my personal money, It would be cared like it was myself doing it. I have OG in my list because I am 100% sure I can do the same with him, based on my past and present interaction with him. Still Lauda tildes OG and viceversa.

Their childish fight instead is something annoying to me, they should take that in a motel room not on the forum.

Well, I see Lauda removed you from his trust network because you added me back on. I never removed you, even when I was removed from your list. That tells you a lot right there. Do what Lauda says or face punishment. You have experienced this first hand, yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish. They’re trying to spin it that way, but the evidence is mounting...

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Well, I see Lauda removed you from his trust network because you added me back on. I never removed you, even when I was removed from your list. That tells you a lot right there. Do what Lauda says or face punishment. You have experienced this first hand, yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish. They’re trying to spin it that way, but the evidence is mounting...
Nobody is removed from anything until they are removed from here, so what you claim is a lie. My personal trust list changes are all temporary. I wonder who and why is tracking my trust list in real time? Roll Eyes

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February 06, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
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Can we move the childish mudslinging to the Reputation board? It's getting kind of annoying seeing it in every Meta topic.

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Well, I see Lauda removed you from his trust network because you added me back on. I never removed you, even when I was removed from your list. That tells you a lot right there. Do what Lauda says or face punishment. You have experienced this first hand, yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish. They’re trying to spin it that way, but the evidence is mounting...
Nobody is removed from anything until they are removed from here, so what you claim is a lie. My personal trust list changes are all temporary. I wonder who and why is tracking my trust list in real time?

No, the list is here not what you post on a thread that you want people to see. So you only removed Gunthar temporarily to see if you could bully him into removing me? Why are you worried that your trust manipulation is being pointed out? Why are others who have joined into your exclude OgNasty campaign trying to silence those speaking out against your DT abuse? Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed. I’m confident theymos sees this, and hope the community can act appropriately so that we can continue with this new trust system. Otherwise, I think theymos will have to step in and start blacklisting people, starting with Lauda.

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So you only removed Gunthar temporarily to see if you could bully him into removing me?
I am sure my old partner will notice changes in my trust list in about a week or two.

Why are others who have joined into your exclude OgNasty campaign trying to silence those speaking out against your DT abuse?
There is no such thing; people just do not trust your judgement. It's simple really.

Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.
What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at theymos, at me, at everyone; theymos can blacklist me, and everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar. I believe this is an education problem where some people think that if you have 2 and take the same 2 and move it around a bit, that it equals 4. Roll Eyes

Can we move the childish mudslinging to the Reputation board? It's getting kind of annoying seeing it in every Meta topic.
Remind me again who starts this in almost every thread in Meta and why they don't get banned for off-topic posting? Smiley Re-applying this: Mods will not do anything.

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Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.
What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can see that.

10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:

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Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.
What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can’t see that.
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Read the last sentence again. Do it several times as you clearly need it. I will probably redo it to fit the new limitations and I don't like the insults in it either. Smiley

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yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish.

Your intentions might or might not be legit and my opinion might or might not be in agreement with you and/or with Lauda, this is something we have discussed in PM many times and my opinion is clearly stated on both my left feedbacks and my trust list. What I'm trying to say here is that both of you, as opinion leaders of this forum, are literaly (without awareness) inducing dozens of respective followers/haters to literaly spam the boards with a continuous annoying "Lauda-vs-OG" threads creation that is of zero contribution to the forum IMO. This is what I meant by "motel room". Look at this thread i.e.: completely hijacked (and this is a pita because I would have seriously spent my time contributing to OP initiative instead to have to put this post to ignore list)

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February 06, 2019, 03:22:59 PM
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yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish.
Your intentions might or might not be legit and my opinion might or might not be in agreement with you and/or with Lauda, this is something we have discussed in PM many times and my opinion is clearly stated on both my left feedbacks and my trust list. What I'm trying to say here is that both of you, as opinion leaders of this forum, are literaly (without awareness) inducing dozens of respective followers/haters to literaly spam the boards with a continuous annoying "Lauda-vs-OG" threads creation that is of zero contribution to the forum IMO. This is what I meant by "motel room".
It takes both sides to completely drop the dispute. I have long been willing to permanently ignore him, but he is way too stubborn to let go of anything.

Look at this thread i.e.: completely hijacked (and this is a pita because I would have seriously spent my time contributing to OP initiative instead to have to put this post to ignore list)
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What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can see that.

10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


Do we really as a community feel this sort of behavior has a place in the default trust network?

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Do we really feel this sort of behavior has a place in the default trust network?

This way please: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106904

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yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish.

Your intentions might or might not be legit and my opinion might or might not be in agreement with you and/or with Lauda, this is something we have discussed in PM many times and my opinion is clearly stated on both my left feedbacks and my trust list. What I'm trying to say here is that both of you, as opinion leaders of this forum, are literaly (without awareness) inducing dozens of respective followers/haters to literaly spam the boards with a continuous annoying "Lauda-vs-OG" threads creation that is of zero contribution to the forum IMO. This is what I meant by "motel room". Look at this thread i.e.: completely hijacked (and this is a pita because I would have seriously spent my time contributing to OP initiative instead to have to put this post to ignore list)

Unfortunately due to the state of the forum, this is the only way anything ever gets done. You will notice civil rational debate is either totally ignored, or attacked and distracted from continuously with drama. Be careful not to confuse petty bickering with a specific strategy of distraction and attrition. This is how these control freak cliques get their way. Do some simple analysis of means motive and opportunity. Who has what to gain? Who has what to lose? I see a lot more on the lot to gain by distracting with drama side personally. This discussion needs to happen here because less people read in reputation, and wouldn't you know it that also serves their goal of having even less people consider these arguments by moving the debate to reputation even thought it clearly applies here.

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February 06, 2019, 04:44:41 PM
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This discussion needs to happen here because less people read in reputation, and wouldn't you know it that also serves their goal of having even less people consider these arguments by moving the debate to reputation even thought it clearly applies here.

Fair enough, we might want then open Cats-vs-Dog thread in Meta, without hijacking every single post: I seriously expect to write/read about OP in here, nowhere OP wrote "hey let's do this change if you like Lauda, else let's do this other change if you like OG"

Hijacking at a certain point might be considered on the same level than spam/OT.

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This discussion needs to happen here because less people read in reputation, and wouldn't you know it that also serves their goal of having even less people consider these arguments by moving the debate to reputation even thought it clearly applies here.

Fair enough, we might want then open Cats-vs-Dog thread in Meta, without hijacking every single post: I seriously expect to write/read about OP in here, nowhere OP wrote "hey let's do this change if you like Lauda, else let's do this other change if you like OG"

Hijacking at a certain point might be considered on the same level than spam/OT.

It is kind of hard to have a civil discussion when not having one serves one of the parties more than having one. This is again a fundamental flaw with this system. There is no real accountability for these people once they gain a certain amount of control, then we need a whole fucking blowout like this that ends up creating divisions to obtain redress when we could have just started with some simple universal guidelines to avoid all of this in the first place.

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February 06, 2019, 05:14:06 PM
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This discussion needs to happen here because less people read in reputation, and wouldn't you know it that also serves their goal of having even less people consider these arguments by moving the debate to reputation even thought it clearly applies here.

Fair enough, we might want then open Cats-vs-Dog thread in Meta, without hijacking every single post: I seriously expect to write/read about OP in here, nowhere OP wrote "hey let's do this change if you like Lauda, else let's do this other change if you like OG"

Hijacking at a certain point might be considered on the same level than spam/OT.

It is kind of hard to have a civil discussion when not having one serves one of the parties more than having one. This is again a fundamental flaw with this system. There is no real accountability for these people once they gain a certain amount of control, then we need a whole fucking blowout like this that ends up creating divisions to obtain redress when we could have just started with some simple universal guidelines to avoid all of this in the first place.

We did get some guidelines from theymos yesterday...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49600801#msg49600801

It took less than 24 hours for Lauda to spit in the face of those guidelines by leaving me negative trust with a ridiculous reason (spoiler alert: Lauda is guilty of the same trust abuse behavior I pointed out in the feedback reference link I was left.  Also, don't let them bury the fact that Lauda is a confirmed liar about his feedback motivations.).

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This discussion needs to happen here because less people read in reputation, and wouldn't you know it that also serves their goal of having even less people consider these arguments by moving the debate to reputation even thought it clearly applies here.

Fair enough, we might want then open Cats-vs-Dog thread in Meta, without hijacking every single post: I seriously expect to write/read about OP in here, nowhere OP wrote "hey let's do this change if you like Lauda, else let's do this other change if you like OG"

Hijacking at a certain point might be considered on the same level than spam/OT.

It is kind of hard to have a civil discussion when not having one serves one of the parties more than having one. This is again a fundamental flaw with this system. There is no real accountability for these people once they gain a certain amount of control, then we need a whole fucking blowout like this that ends up creating divisions to obtain redress when we could have just started with some simple universal guidelines to avoid all of this in the first place.

We did get some guidelines from theymos yesterday...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49600801#msg49600801

It took less than 24 hours for Lauda to spit in the face of those guidelines by leaving me negative trust with a ridiculous reason (spoiler alert: Lauda is guilty of the same trust abuse behavior I pointed out in the feedback reference link I was left.  Also, don't let them bury the fact that Lauda is a confirmed liar about his feedback motivations.).

Indeed we did, and I did find that encouraging. However I am of the opinion that these very subjective guidelines are the source of much of this conflict as everyone interprets them differently leaving an environment of confusion, arbitrary enforcement, and abuse. The standard should be something that is more universally understood and factually based. We should use a standard that requires evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws before leaving a negative rating. The community can be the arbiter of what specifically those words mean in detail, the staff need not be involved short of issuing the standard to operate from.

Largely what we have been getting is the illusion of decentralization. If this is going to continue to be the case there should be some firm and clear limits placed upon those in control of the trust systems. I go into more detail why we need this here.

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