Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. WTF?

[bryant.coleman]

Shooting down an aircraft would causes massive amounts of debris. I'm sure they would've found some of it by now.

Shooting down a low flying aircraft will produce some amount of debris, but they will be contained within 1 sq. km area. What if the plane was shot inside some of the large Malayan military bases?

However, I don't think that is the case, as the plane was last spotted near Pulau Penang. However, there is a possibility of the Indonesians shooting it down over Sumatra.

[Puppet]

Shooting down an aircraft would causes massive amounts of debris. I'm sure they would've found some of it by now.

Shooting down a low flying aircraft will produce some amount of debris, but they will be contained within 1 sq. km area. What if the plane was shot inside some of the large Malayan military bases?

However, I don't think that is the case, as the plane was last spotted near Pulau Penang. However, there is a possibility of the Indonesians shooting it down over Sumatra.

And then within ~15 minutes recovering the acars system in that pile of debris, have it working and fly it to the middle of the indian ocean, because the Malaysians  figured out that the British sat operator would be able to figure out the plane location based on acars pings using that doppler shift analysis, even if that very same company didnt know it was possible until they did it ? Oh please.

As for not wanting to give radar data, very few countries are happy to hand over military radar data for the world to see.

[ibminer]

Everyone seems to expect some long storyline already written out about this event. I don't have this, nor does anyone else. Every theory can have holes punched through it right now due to lack of *physical* evidence.

Even with a electrical fire theory, I am not sure how the plane made a 2nd turn during this mechanical fire to start heading into the ocean... maybe programmed?... but I am also not sure why the plane didn't burn up and crash much sooner then 6+ hours of flight. Looking at past incidents with commercial aircraft, almost everyone I looked at that involved a fire ended up crashing shortly after takeoff.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft

Sure, it's a simple solution and easy to accept if your a sheep, but it doesn't make any sense to me that a plane with this type of fire could have flown for that long into the ocean without burning up or crashing sooner. This fire would have been so vicious that it would have had to engulf the other 12 staff members (to stop them from notifying the pilot to any signs of a fire, smoke, etc.)  AND would have had to take out multiple communication systems. ALL of this before the pilots even realized it was going on and didn't have time to send a distress call before the communication systems failed, and just turned the plane out of a reaction. A matter of minutes?

Sounds like a pretty extreme fire... again, I wouldn't rule this out, because there is still a chance that somehow this fire did all of this, and the pilot was climbing to 45,000 feet to try and extinguish the fire (remove oxygen), but ultimately died and the plane managed to keep flying for that long. But I don't see this as any more plausible then some of the other theories out there. Some are definitely *out there*, but most of the stories typically point out pieces of evidence or facts that have inconsistencies, don't make sense, or make you question it.


It confuses me when I see a report from the Maldive islands on 3/18 stating things like "several" eyewitness (wish I knew how many) visually spotted a white aircraft with red stripes across it flying very low.

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,"

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too.

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062

Malaysian officials response:

“Regarding reports that a plane was sighted in the Maldives, I can confirm Malaysia’s chief of the defense force has contacted his counterparts in the Maldives who has confirmed that these reports are not true,”

Then I see the 'explanation' as to why this was a 'false alarm' as being "nothing was present on military radar" as being the 'evidence'. Oh really? Well if it wasn't on radar, those residents must be coo coo for cocoa puffs. Must be the seclusion of island life?... they just want to talk to someone?  Why would these residents lie??  

They didn't even include Maldives as a country in the search, even after eyewitness reports... all dismissed based on "it wasn't seen on radar"?

As a theory, Diego Garcia could be a destination. It could also provide them the easy capability of dismantling parts of the craft and dropping it off their waters, and allowing the current to just pull debris over to the current search area to naturally find 'parts of the craft'. Still won't be easy finding it. Maybe a destination for an attack? maybe the plane was ultimately shot down in that area.

Oddly enough, the Maldives seem to be the only country capable of providing potential aircraft debris from their shores which appears to be a fire suppression bottle from an aircraft and looks similar to the one used in a boeing 777 (at least, it looks similar to me... but I do not build airplanes... going off of what I am seeing on google images), although, found on the north side of their island... whereas I might expect it on the south side... if debris was "planted".

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence
... can't wait to see where this goes.

You know, some actual evidence. It's very rare that governments get away with cover ups, especially on this scale, but people just like to assume everything is one. What exactly do the Malaysian government (or whoever you think is behind this) have to gain or lose from covering it up?

I really don't KNOW why anyone would take this plane... I could draw up numerous theories about every country and could pull all kinds of stories out of my ass about why a particular country or group would want to steal a plane, but I don't like doing that.

I, too, need more evidence.  I am just seeing a lot of inconsistencies in the story everywhere, which raises red flags with me and a possible cover-up.

There just isn't enough questioning by people and a lot of people are just accepting what they are told, as they always do.
Damn Humans!  


EDIT: Holy long posts  Batman!

[bryant.coleman]

And then within ~15 minutes recovering the acars system in that pile of debris

I don't know how accurate are those ACARS pings.

[Paya]

Shooting down an aircraft would causes massive amounts of debris. I'm sure they would've found some of it by now.

Not necessarily. For example, most of the United Airlines Flight 93 wreckage was found in, or very near the impact crater. If MH370 crashed in similar way somewhere in the high mountains or rainforests of northern Sumatra it could be very hard to find it. Especially when you're not looking there.

And then within ~15 minutes recovering the acars system in that pile of debris, have it working and fly it to the middle of the indian ocean

I don't think they are 100% sure that the plane went south after it was last detected by military radar in the northern exit of the Strait of Malacca, apparently flying NW. Even that radar contact is questionable, there is a chance it wasn't MH370 at all.

[guybrushthreepwood]

Shooting down an aircraft would causes massive amounts of debris. I'm sure they would've found some of it by now.

Shooting down a low flying aircraft will produce some amount of debris, but they will be contained within 1 sq. km area. What if the plane was shot inside some of the large Malayan military bases?

What do you mean shot down inside one? Flying over it?

[techgeek]

Doesnt the plane have report a log? I mean they report where they are every like something knots in the sky, plus what the heck are we using for our satellites for then? For porn?

[guybrushthreepwood]

Doesnt the plane have report a log? I mean they report where they are every like something knots in the sky, plus what the heck are we using for our satellites for then? For porn?

The tracking systems were either turned off or stopped working for whatever reasons.

[bryant.coleman]

What do you mean shot down inside one? Flying over it?

Yes. Flying over it.

[Lauda]

Still not found?

[Puppet]

People are weird creatures I guess, born with superstitious genes. IN the old days we'd have called anything we didnt understand an act of the Gods, now that many of us no longer believe in interventionist gods, its become aliens or elaborate secret government plots. Trying to argue against it is probably as fruitless as trying to argue against people believing in aliens or gods.

Still, let me point out a few things; about the eye witness reports. There are several eye witness reports from (among other places), Vietnam, Maladives, Phillipines and Sri lanka. Look at the map, and find out what that means. Yep, most of them simply have got to be wrong, flight 370 couldnt have been at all those places. That doesnt prove all of them are incorrect, but based on what would you believe one and not the other?  With an event like this, you simply know lots of people will either just make stuff up to get some media attention (and possibly make a buck), or project their own fantasies and whatever they saw that night, they will fool themselves in to believing it looked like a Boeing 777 from MA, even though at night they couldnt have seen much more than a few lights. What are the odds some other planes where flying low that night in an area that spans a quarter of the globe? Id say 100%.

As for the "theory" of the Malaysians shooting down flight 370; that makes no sense whatsoever. First of all, a plane making a turn is hardly a reason to scramble fighter jets, and far less a reason to shoot it down over water. Secondly, the controllers didnt even realize it made any turn or that it had disappeared for quite some time. Lastly, not even the US were capable of intercepting hijacked planes in time when they were flying over NY and Washington, I dont know what makes you think the Malaysian air force could.

As for the impossibility of a "mechanical fire" (wth?), I suspect the poster meant electrical fire. It seems entirely plausible to me that such a fire would disable onboard electronics or prompt the crew to disable those electronics, by pulling all circuit breakers. THe latter is actually standard procedure. Doing so may have stopped fueling the fire preventing it from going out of control.  How does a plane keep flying then? Simple, engines are almost completely autonomous and they are located quite far from the fuselage. Once started, all they really need to keep running is fuel, which the plane had plenty off. To put some perspective on this, there are several recorded incidents where the crew was unable to *stop* the engines after landing. For the most famous/recent example look up Qantas Flight 32, the airbus A380 that landed after one engine exploded. For 3 hours after landing the crew was unable to shut off one engine, no matter what they tried, with all electrical systems shut down and even with fire crews dousing the engine with water and foam. Thats how "weird" it is that a jet engine keeps running, its just what it does.

[hilariousandco]

What do you mean shot down inside one? Flying over it?

Yes. Flying over it.

Where are the military bases and why would the plane fly over it?

[GigaCoin]

Still not found?

I don't think it will be found anytime soon, if it truly crashed in southern Indian ocean maybe even never.

Also its getting too expensive, CNN reported yesterday that the costs already reached $70Million dollars and it could cost up to $1 Billion in the next month or two. Malaysian airlines is obviously not paying a dime as they have been silent this whole time

[bryant.coleman]

Where are the military bases and why would the plane fly over it?

I don't know where are the military bases. But it is quite possible that the Malaysian pilot was ignorant of the Indonesian "Closed Air Spaces".

[hilariousandco]

Where are the military bases and why would the plane fly over it?

I don't know where are the military bases. But it is quite possible that the Malaysian pilot was ignorant of the Indonesian "Closed Air Spaces".

So this is just another extravagant proposal? The pilot had quite a lot of flight experience from what I gather.

[Lauda]

Still not found?

I don't think it will be found anytime soon, if it truly crashed in southern Indian ocean maybe even never.

Also its getting too expensive, CNN reported yesterday that the costs already reached $70Million dollars and it could cost up to $1 Billion in the next month or two. Malaysian airlines is obviously not paying a dime as they have been silent this whole time

No it is not. The government loses a lot of money quite often anyways.

[bryant.coleman]

So this is just another extravagant proposal? The pilot had quite a lot of flight experience from what I gather.

Yes. The pilot was quite experienced. But in this case, he flew over a route which is normally not in use by civilian aircraft.

[hilariousandco]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/05/mh370-chinese-patrol-ship-detects-pulse-signal

Interesting, but it'll still probably be a false alarm.

[Hazir]

They need to hurry it up, because in couple of day black boxes from that plane will stop emitting signals. Just sayin'

[bryant.coleman]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/05/mh370-chinese-patrol-ship-detects-pulse-signal

Interesting, but it'll still probably be a false alarm.

They got a pulse. Chances are that this time it is the MH370. Not many objects beam radio signals at 30 MHz, that too in the mid-ocean.