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May 16, 2023, 01:35:35 PM
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Luck was really on my side that time.
Actually, the fight you are waiting for is UFC 290 with the main card VOLKANOVSKI VS RODRIGUEZ which will unite the featherweight classes with the return of VOLKANOVSKI to his division after being defeated by Islam Makhachev but before that VOLKANOVSKI has an unbeaten fight record and his first defeat against Islam Makhachev.
For RODRIGUEZ himself he is the interim title holder at featherweight after beating Josh Emmett.
And these two fighters have pretty good fighting strength so it will be very exciting to watch but hard to predict who will win.

good for you that luck was on your side, that day

That Alexander Volkanovski VS Yair Rodriguez for the Unification fight for the featherweight division belt is going to be a banger of a fight I think Alexander Volkanovski already has 1 loss and it was against Corey Nelson on the Australian FC 5 we can see if Yair Rodriguez learn something from his lost against Max Holloway but this is going to be a good fight both have excellent stand-up but the thing it Volkanovski have shown us a glimpse of his ground game and it is pretty impressive against Islam Makhachev, and for me against Yair Rodriguez Alexander Volkanovski got many tools to suppress Yair Rodriguez, this is going to be a chess match for sure, but I got a huge percentage for Volkanovski,
Yes, this fight will be the main card for the featherweight title.
If you look at how to fight, the history of the fight and other statistics, the two of them almost have the same abilities with their respective advantages.
But if you have a prediction for Volkanovski it might be good.
I still can't have any predictions on which one to choose but I will be quick to find out who is worth betting on in this featherweight fight.

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I expected more from Daniel Rodriguez but Ian Garry was a lot faster and had more tools.  D Rod just had his boxing, no wrestling, couldn't even get the fight to the clinch and grind his opponent somehow.  I think a guy who could do that could give Garry problems.

Congrats on the win.

I actually wasn't too sure about Daniel Rodriguez so I made the decision to choose Lan Garry.
After all Lan Garry was previously the Cage Warriors Welterweight Champion and after joining the UFC he is now ranked 13th in the UFC welterweight division.

Yes thanks @tokeweed.

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May 16, 2023, 05:49:45 PM
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This should have a different main card until Irene Aldana rebooked and instead wants to face Amanda Nunes all of a sudden and they will face each other with UFC and with  UFC 289 Nunes vs. Aldana, Irene Aldana must be targeting the belt right now this is a great opportunity for her but I think Amanda Nunes will be is a bigger threat to Irene Aldana, but let's just wait and see if she can surely stop Amanda Nunes, or not,


Amanda Nunes is on a different level, but because this is a title fight Irene Aldana is taking her chances, for sure this is going to be a great match but the Co-main is the real deal so many people are waiting for this fight well if Charles Oliveira is able to withstand those defeats he had against Islam Makhachev and if he's able to move forward, and if he can defeat Beneil Dariush, Dan Ige VS Nate Landwehr is a juicy fight as well, and all eyes to those fighters,

Some fresh news: "Ex-UFC champ Francis Ngannou signs lucrative MMA deal with PFL, boxing still an option".

What can I say, Ngannou got what he wanted, money, power and freedom. He will get "tens millions", act as an PFL ampassador and have option to have boxing fights while being signed for PFL. Hope that he will perform for 200% and be worth every dollar PFL spend on him. Hope that he will finally fight, but not just sit on his ass and get salary.

I really think this is the very lucrative decision the PFL has ever done, and not just that this is too risky for both organization and the fighter they haven't know if many are still wanting to watch Francis Ngannou fight, I think there is a lot of option for Ngannou in this contract he is pretty much flexible and even though he got some advisor Francis Ngannou is the one that has done the talking and surely enough PFL have decided to go on a risky this is not just a contract signing for the PFL this is a business venture and Ngannou will have 8 figure of a deal every time he fights, and his opponent will get a fair amount and will get a percentage on the revenue for the Pay Preview, and the ability to have boxing matches, and he would also like to open a PFL Africa for new fighters from their place to the PFL, there are many that are in the contract many Francis Ngannou have the freedom for what he wants to decide,

^  Sucks cos we won't be seeing him fight Jon Jones.  :/  I still think Ngannou has a good chance to finish Jones.  Why can't the UFC just pay the guy a one fight deal vs Jones for 10 million or something.  Sigh...

Anyway after making my picks for the Multi Master I think the next event could be a sleeper banger.  I found myself predicting 8 matches to finish inside the distance.  Lol.  Picked Dern for the main event but could go Hill's way since it's a 5 rounder.

UFC Free Fight:  Hill vs Ducote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Sv7xliCo8

I really think he doesn't want or doesn't need to fight Jon Jones anymore maybe Jon Jones will envy Francis Ngannou for getting that extreme contract for the PFL, Jon Jones doesn't have the many if Ngannou fight him, but maybe if Jon Jones could join PFL maybe their fight with Francis Ngannou will create a lot of money, and Jone Jones will have a fairly pay if he fights Ngannou and goes to PFL,
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Some fresh news: "Ex-UFC champ Francis Ngannou signs lucrative MMA deal with PFL, boxing still an option".

What can I say, Ngannou got what he wanted, money, power and freedom. He will get "tens millions", act as an PFL ampassador and have option to have boxing fights while being signed for PFL. Hope that he will perform for 200% and be worth every dollar PFL spend on him. Hope that he will finally fight, but not just sit on his ass and get salary.

I really think this is the very lucrative decision the PFL has ever done, and not just that this is too risky for both organization and the fighter they haven't know if many are still wanting to watch Francis Ngannou fight, I think there is a lot of option for Ngannou in this contract he is pretty much flexible and even though he got some advisor Francis Ngannou is the one that has done the talking and surely enough PFL have decided to go on a risky this is not just a contract signing for the PFL this is a business venture and Ngannou will have 8 figure of a deal every time he fights, and his opponent will get a fair amount and will get a percentage on the revenue for the Pay Preview, and the ability to have boxing matches, and he would also like to open a PFL Africa for new fighters from their place to the PFL, there are many that are in the contract many Francis Ngannou have the freedom for what he wants to decide,

Indeed a risky move for PFL, but imagine how much recognition, popularity and fans PFL are getting now. Ngannou itself is a walking advertising campaign. If there will be to two event on the same day running, just by saying "we have Ngannou" PFL would lure money from fan wallets Cheesy This is not the best topic for Ngannou and PFL discussion, but I have checked their heavyweight roster, and Ngannou would not face serious troubles there imho Cheesy

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May 17, 2023, 02:17:09 PM
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It seems like Ngannou's name grow big after what he did to UFC and showing reluctance to sign easily to any of the other rival MMA promotions. The $20 million 2-fight deal from ONE is the biggest per-fight guarantee although PFL's deal allowed Ngannou to become part of the board, allowed him to box, and have a huge PPV share which will be more beneficial only if his PPV numbers grow more than his previous numbers at UFC.

Ngannou is expected to return to MMA action next year so it will be 2 years of inactivity. Although he is expected to have a heavyweight boxing tune-up this year before vying for a shot at either Fury, AJ, or Wilder. Seriously though, he cannot beat any of the top 20 heavyweights except his puncher's chance. A shameful loss to boxing at least won't hurt much if in case his market will diminish since PFL only gave a guarantee of 7 digits in each of his next 3 MMA fights. 

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May 17, 2023, 02:47:41 PM
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Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.

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I think he is just talking to talk and trying to get the attention towards him. He is not going to have that kind of success when he does come back. He is obviously one of the best fighters in the UFC. There is no doubt about that. He has certainly become the old hat of the UFC. He is just trying to get attention so that probably he can divert that attention towards his whisky company and increase the sells.  Other than that if he is actually thinking that he will be able to do what he is saying I think he is just being delusional.

Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.

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May 17, 2023, 06:38:40 PM
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I think he is just talking to talk and trying to get the attention towards him. He is not going to have that kind of success when he does come back. He is obviously one of the best fighters in the UFC. There is no doubt about that. He has certainly become the old hat of the UFC. He is just trying to get attention so that probably he can divert that attention towards his whisky company and increase the sells.  Other than that if he is actually thinking that he will be able to do what he is saying I think he is just being delusional.

Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.

He must have been looking at how Ngannou took the stage already while him Connor's career is fading daylight. But he wants to remind fans that once upon a time he was the best in MMA. Ngannou taking big offers from other promotions besides UFC is also making him bigger, it could be that the world will know him more than Connor.

It seems like Ngannou's name grow big after what he did to UFC and showing reluctance to sign easily to any of the other rival MMA promotions. The $20 million 2-fight deal from ONE is the biggest per-fight guarantee although PFL's deal allowed Ngannou to become part of the board, allowed him to box, and have a huge PPV share which will be more beneficial only if his PPV numbers grow more than his previous numbers at UFC.

Ngannou is expected to return to MMA action next year so it will be 2 years of inactivity. Although he is expected to have a heavyweight boxing tune-up this year before vying for a shot at either Fury, AJ, or Wilder. Seriously though, he cannot beat any of the top 20 heavyweights except his puncher's chance. A shameful loss to boxing at least won't hurt much if in case his market will diminish since PFL only gave a guarantee of 7 digits in each of his next 3 MMA fights. 

Sounds like ONE's offer is a lot preferable. There could be changes to his fighting style by now after some boxing training, I'm sure he has a chance to win against any boxer.

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May 17, 2023, 09:04:26 PM
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Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.
Anderson Silva is the first fighter i saw live getting his leg snapped and he was never the same after that, then Chris Weidman who was the opponent when Anderson Silva snapped his leg went through the same catastrophe and he is yet to recover from the injury from 2021 because he is not completely recovered from the injury and now Conor McGregor thinks that he will be rejuvenated and recover from an injury like that is his confidence but he will never be the same fighter he once was.
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He must have been looking at how Ngannou took the stage already while him Connor's career is fading daylight. But he wants to remind fans that once upon a time he was the best in MMA. Ngannou taking big offers from other promotions besides UFC is also making him bigger, it could be that the world will know him more than Connor.

Well the way he is approaching things now if he continues in this way the world is not going to remember him for his achievement in the UFC. Already I hear people say that Conor McGregor is just a Twitter warrior now. His impression is certainly not positive anymore. I would say that his image was starting to fall when he lost against Khabib. From that, he has not been a very good fighter, to be honest. I think we all know that from now on any fight that Corner McGregor is going to get, it is actually going to be because of his mouth and Dana White's love for him..

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Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.
Anderson Silva is the first fighter i saw live getting his leg snapped and he was never the same after that, then Chris Weidman who was the opponent when Anderson Silva snapped his leg went through the same catastrophe and he is yet to recover from the injury from 2021 because he is not completely recovered from the injury and now Conor McGregor thinks that he will be rejuvenated and recover from an injury like that is his confidence but he will never be the same fighter he once was.
Correct, it's a contact sport and it's way different from basketball and other games. This is a sport where usage of the leg is for attack and defense so it's unlikely that he will come back as strong as he was. It's all just mouth for now and he might be doing good at his training but once he sets foot in the octagon it will be an environment that will make him flashback about his injury.
Then there are the mental injuries too. The fear of the injury coming back so using that injured leg might become a liability instead of an advantage.
He might show us a good performance in his comeback but I don't think it will be as massive as other fighters did when they returned to UFC.
Cejudo for example, rested for years and still, he showed Sterling that he is still a fighter that should not be taken lightly.

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Has anyone already seen UFC 291 announced fight card? This event all chances to beat PPV record end become an event of the year. https://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-291. Almost, simply almost every main card fight is a big fight worth watching. I am amazed to see Tony Ferguson again. I thought he was a free agent right now. He has lost last of his 5 fights. And now he is fighting Bobby Green. a

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Has anyone already seen UFC 291 announced fight card? This event all chances to beat PPV record end become an event of the year. https://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-291. Almost, simply almost every main card fight is a big fight worth watching. I am amazed to see Tony Ferguson again. I thought he was a free agent right now. He has lost last of his 5 fights. And now he is fighting Bobby Green. a
There are so many great fighters especially the top 3 fights, looks crazy the Alex Pereira first fight in light heavyweight is Jan Blachowicz. People also really want to watch Tony Ferguson fight, he's really popular when he fought Anthony Pettis where his body is full of blood and he can still able to beat Pettis. Bobby Green is seems not a big threat for Ferguson, I think this fight Ferguson will win.

For Poirier vs Gaethje, I think Gaethje will win because both of them are quite similar, but Gaethje has better KO rate.

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Has anyone already seen UFC 291 announced fight card? This event all chances to beat PPV record end become an event of the year. https://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-291. Almost, simply almost every main card fight is a big fight worth watching. I am amazed to see Tony Ferguson again. I thought he was a free agent right now. He has lost last of his 5 fights. And now he is fighting Bobby Green. a

You know the next event has really nothing to get excited about when the guys itt are talking about other UFC events.  Cheesy  It's true tho, so couldn't really blame anybody.

But yeah, that's a stacked card from top to bottom so far!  We also got Alex Pereira's debut in 205 vs Jan Błachowicz.  Smiley  

Stephen Thompson vs Michel Pereira could be good too.  I think not a banger but good.  

Edit:  No betting market up for 291 yet.  Curious how the books will line Thompson vs Pereira.  I'm thinking Thompson could open around 2.35 and Pereira around 1.65 or something.

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May 18, 2023, 12:25:45 PM
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I am more excited about Pereira vs Blachowicz fight. This is second time Polish power is fighting guys, champions in a way, from middle weight. Izzy did not look good when he fought Jan. It was even a one sided fight, where Blachowicz threw Izzy on the ground like a kitten (not the kitten @YuginKadoya gets excited about Cheesy). In that fight Izzy did not manage to show his super striking. Now it is Pereira turn to face Blachowicz and imho he has more chances to win. Not because Blachowicz became older, slower and etc, but because Pereira is a heavy hitter.

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It seems like Ngannou's name grow big after what he did to UFC and showing reluctance to sign easily to any of the other rival MMA promotions. The $20 million 2-fight deal from ONE is the biggest per-fight guarantee although PFL's deal allowed Ngannou to become part of the board, allowed him to box, and have a huge PPV share which will be more beneficial only if his PPV numbers grow more than his previous numbers at UFC.

Ngannou is expected to return to MMA action next year so it will be 2 years of inactivity. Although he is expected to have a heavyweight boxing tune-up this year before vying for a shot at either Fury, AJ, or Wilder. Seriously though, he cannot beat any of the top 20 heavyweights except his puncher's chance. A shameful loss to boxing at least won't hurt much if in case his market will diminish since PFL only gave a guarantee of 7 digits in each of his next 3 MMA fights. 

Sounds like ONE's offer is a lot preferable. There could be changes to his fighting style by now after some boxing training, I'm sure he has a chance to win against any boxer.



But Ngannou is not just aiming for MMA money. If he remains unbeaten since becoming the UFC champion, his potential of earning big bucks in boxing stays alive. And besides, if Ngannou is really capable of marketing well his next MMA fights, he might earn more than $10 million per fight.

Most of the time, we cannot teach old dogs new tricks. I wonder if Ngannou is an exception. He carries that big punch though so there's always a puncher's chance but this might be the same case for any heavyweights. His stamina will be his main problem, not just in a 36-minute boxing match but also in a full 5-round match in MMA. We'll see what he looks like in his tune-up fight this year.

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May 18, 2023, 01:35:59 PM
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Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.

I think he is not gonna get into a fight again versus a champion because clearly, he cannot handle it anymore because of his injury. he cannot be the same guy again after that. now all he I doing is keeping his mouth open because if he is not active on social media, people will forget him, and a new champion will emerge and take his place. He just missed getting in the cage again and competing with the champions because this guy gets his popularity in UFC and to get back there again is to refresh his fame and merits.

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Indeed a risky move for PFL, but imagine how much recognition, popularity and fans PFL are getting now. Ngannou itself is a walking advertising campaign. If there will be to two event on the same day running, just by saying "we have Ngannou" PFL would lure money from fan wallets Cheesy This is not the best topic for Ngannou and PFL discussion, but I have checked their heavyweight roster, and Ngannou would not face serious troubles there imho Cheesy

It is a risk but if PFL and Ngannou done this correctly It could be a big hit actually that big deal with PFL have sparked the internet and made it a flame across different platform because this deal from PFL is really historical the first MMA fighter that has sign a very lucrative contract ever, he is almost the owner of PFL, for making it 8 to 7 figures per fight, imagine his fights with UFC was just nothing while I think Many in the MMA envy this kind of contract becasue it was really a huge deal, but It could surely goes sideways for both Ngannou and the PFL,

It seems like Ngannou's name grow big after what he did to UFC and showing reluctance to sign easily to any of the other rival MMA promotions. The $20 million 2-fight deal from ONE is the biggest per-fight guarantee although PFL's deal allowed Ngannou to become part of the board, allowed him to box, and have a huge PPV share which will be more beneficial only if his PPV numbers grow more than his previous numbers at UFC.

Ngannou is expected to return to MMA action next year so it will be 2 years of inactivity. Although he is expected to have a heavyweight boxing tune-up this year before vying for a shot at either Fury, AJ, or Wilder. Seriously though, he cannot beat any of the top 20 heavyweights except his puncher's chance. A shameful loss to boxing at least won't hurt much if in case his market will diminish since PFL only gave a guarantee of 7 digits in each of his next 3 MMA fights. 

Actually, I am excited about this after his inactivity with the MMA fight his last fight was back on January 22, 2022, it is not that far, but from this on the PFL heavyweight fighters have a chance to get by that inactivity of Ngannou but they still got 1 year to prefer for that big fight and to gain a lot of Pay Per View, and how much sales those Francis Ngannou can cater with his fights this will surely be brought ripples in the playing field with UFC and PFL, and I think the UFC will certainly adjust to this and Dana White will surely watching from the sidelines so he can see what may happen if this is really enough to cater those huge sales

Has anyone already seen UFC 291 announced fight card? This event all chances to beat PPV record end become an event of the year. https://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-291. Almost, simply almost every main card fight is a big fight worth watching. I am amazed to see Tony Ferguson again. I thought he was a free agent right now. He has lost last of his 5 fights. And now he is fighting Bobby Green. a

WHOA! that just, I was speechless when saw those fight cards there are so many well-known fighters in that 1 event, I was really drowning in ecstasy in the excitement that was 1 hell of an event for sure that will cater to a love of sales the following start of the ticket sales I would love PFL to try this next year so the event with Francis Ngannou can cater a massive sales because they will surely need it in just getting Ngannou payment for that event,

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Seems like an easy win for Mackenzie Dern, she has a good wrestling skill while Angela Hill is matured enough and just an average fighter. I think Mackenzie Dern will beat Angela Hill via submission.


For sure we can say that Angela Hill doesn't get a good grip if her opponent is a wrestler, and if you look at her records it is not really that good she got 2 submission losses, and her 10 losses with the decision are not really looking good for her versus Mackenzie Dern, I really don't know why the UFC suddenly fit this two to fight but Mackenzie Dern is ranked 8 while Hill is at 14, so this is a great deal of a fight for Angela Hill that could increase her reputation, while Mackenzie Dern can not get any but only glory,

Yes, this fight will be the main card for the featherweight title.
If you look at how to fight, the history of the fight and other statistics, the two of them almost have the same abilities with their respective advantages.
But if you have a prediction for Volkanovski it might be good.
I still can't have any predictions on which one to choose but I will be quick to find out who is worth betting on in this featherweight fight.


If you look at the recent fight for Alexander Volkanovski he got a pretty much hard fight that he nearly makes an upset win, because the fight was really that close, and this fight was against Islam Makhachev and Yair Rodriguez surely got decent fights but I really think it is not really enough Volkanovski just got up a division and fought with the guy that caused much trouble in that division and even though he lost to Makhachev it is one of the classes fight for Islam Makhachev, in the UFC,

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Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.
I think he is not gonna get into a fight again versus a champion because clearly, he cannot handle it anymore because of his injury. he cannot be the same guy again after that. now all he I doing is keeping his mouth open because if he is not active on social media, people will forget him, and a new champion will emerge and take his place. He just missed getting in the cage again and competing with the champions because this guy gets his popularity in UFC and to get back there again is to refresh his fame and merits.

He is very well past his prime. To be honest, his prime days are not coming back. Does not matter if he puts on weight to fight in another weight class. He is not going to be as good as he was before. If he actually gets any good opponent it is going to be because of his mouth.

I feel like he has changed a lot after the Floyd Mayweather fight. Money has changed him a lot. He was never the same after he got the 100 million from Floyd Mayweather's fight. It is absolutely true that he is just trying to stay active on social media so that he is still relevant to people. After all his fighting is not relevant anymore to people.

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Conor McGregor saying yesterday that he will get the all time UFC knockouts record seems a little ambitious for a guy coming off an injury who hasn’t knocked anybody out in a while… Not to mention he isn’t getting any younger so he must be planning a massive comeback with a lot of fights if he thinks this is possible for him to obtain.
I think he is not gonna get into a fight again versus a champion because clearly, he cannot handle it anymore because of his injury. he cannot be the same guy again after that. now all he I doing is keeping his mouth open because if he is not active on social media, people will forget him, and a new champion will emerge and take his place. He just missed getting in the cage again and competing with the champions because this guy gets his popularity in UFC and to get back there again is to refresh his fame and merits.

He is very well past his prime. To be honest, his prime days are not coming back. Does not matter if he puts on weight to fight in another weight class. He is not going to be as good as he was before. If he actually gets any good opponent it is going to be because of his mouth.

I feel like he has changed a lot after the Floyd Mayweather fight. Money has changed him a lot. He was never the same after he got the 100 million from Floyd Mayweather's fight. It is absolutely true that he is just trying to stay active on social media so that he is still relevant to people. After all his fighting is not relevant anymore to people.

His career ended after a fight against Khabib. His last best fight was against Alvarez, when in a first round he has knocked down Eddie several times, but that 4 punch combo in second round, that TKOed Eddie was last best performance of Conor. When he got those two belts, he went crazy and fame+money combo destroyed him. He was no longer hungry. He has no motivation to win anymore. No matter if he wins or lose next fight, he will get millions anyway. He might even step inside octagon and surrender on first second of first round and still be rich and famous.

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