🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Synchronice]

Can't wait for the rematch but still there is no news around. They still have Volkanovski to be the bst p4p fighter because he actually is! And this match wasn't fair! Islam couldn't stand on his own, his face was brutally beaten while Volkanovski was as energetic as playful kid. If anything, this match was a draw!

I don't know if you are acting crazy or what but Volkanovski lost this fight against Islam, so he can't be the best pound for pound fighter, except in your and Dana White imagination.
Maybe I don't agree with everything judges are doing in UFC but I could never say that Volkanovski won that fight.
One more shit coming from UFC is that Jon Jones is moving up the rankings slowly, and guy was not in octagon for years since 2020, so all their ranking is one big bullshit.
I like MMA sports, but guys from UFC are looking like idiots with this.

My post was a little bit stubborn. I just say that Volkanovski was robbed and he should be the number one in UFC's rating cause he actually is. Hope you understand. Definitely their ranking system doesn't make sense. It's unexplainable why they move Jon Jones. UFC 285 will be in 5 March and probably they are promoting Jon Jones and creating a hype. To my mind, their ranking system is based on their marketing strategy and makes no actual sense.

That could also be another strategy to survey if they will force a rematch or should I say if they will make more money by creating the rematch. 
I know it will happen, there will be bags of money that will be on the line so Dana White's eyes are in dollar mode once again.
If fans want it so bad, make it happen, PPV income will surely be flowing nonstop. Whatever they are doing, even if it's sad to say, it's working.

Definitely, Dana White is addicted to money. Definitely fans want rematch and also Volkanovski and Machachev, both confirmed that rematch is not a problem for them and they are ready for it. So, it's a big yes from Dana White.

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[TopTort777]

We still dont know revenue numbers of UFC 284. Usually UFC like to share such information, but it looks like UFC 284 did not break any PPV records. The event could be very interesting and favoured for the fans, but not as profitable as UFC expected. I've seen that Islam and Alexander earned both one million US dollars. That is what usually what UFC champion earns for a fight. But that event did not set a record. This was a top event that did not bring top earnings for UFC imho. That is why I think that is one of the points why the rematch might not happen, as it might be not profitable.

[AverageGlabella]

We still dont know revenue numbers of UFC 284. Usually UFC like to share such information, but it looks like UFC 284 did not break any PPV records. The event could be very interesting and favoured for the fans, but not as profitable as UFC expected. I've seen that Islam and Alexander earned both one million US dollars. That is what usually what UFC champion earns for a fight. But that event did not set a record. This was a top event that did not bring top earnings for UFC imho. That is why I think that is one of the points why the rematch might not happen, as it might be not profitable.

Terrible pay when you compare it to boxing. Boxers earn 50+ million on the big fights and you cannot get any bigger then Islam vs Alexander. I wonder if the UFC will change their ways of paying fighters because other MMA organizations are starting to gain popularity and it is not a secret that they pay more then the ufc.

I wonder what Jon Jones is getting paid to make his return will there be a special deal because he has been inactive for many years and seemed to not want to come back to the UFC?

[tokeweed]

Yup and I'm fking surprised that she did really well in using her reach and outstriking Andade.  I thought Andrade could use her powerrr and get some respect then corner Blachfield by the cage where Andrade could Taz her way to a W.  Looks like the UFC match makers knew what they were doing when they made Blanchfield skip the line and gave her Santos then Andrade when it didn't pan out with Santos.

After that weight-in and face, Erin Blanchfield was taller than Jessica Andrade even though Andrade had that Physique that could likely make her struggle in attempting submissions or grappling Erin Blanchfield still manage to do it, and that Height of Blanchfield has proven she can win over a stand-up against Jessica Andrade, well no doubt that I will be very supportive with this young fighting kitty, and I want her all the way in being the champion, and I am looking forward in it,

Yeah...  Blanchfield is a pretty good prospect and she's young.  Just 23 years old.  If somehow Shev retires from MMA, there's her, Santos, Andrade could still be in the mix as she took the match on short notice and the French girl Fiorot who's also pretty good.  And there's the return of Tatiana Suarez this coming weekend.  She'll be at 125 now so let's see how she looks in the cage.

Here's the Multi Master.  I think my lottery ticket will not look the same as my MM picks.

UFC Fight Night 220 - Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440587.0

And here's something to watch in preparation for the event.

UFC Free Fight:  Krylov vs Gustaffson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdTb_pl_qo

[Welsh]

I don't think Volkanovski was robbed per se, I just personally saw him winning, and there's definitely a case to be made. However, I wouldn't call it being robbed, since that would imply that Islam had no chance of winning whatsoever, but still won. I've seen a few of those types of fights mind you, but this fight wasn't convincing either way.

I've listed my reasons why I think Volkanovski won, but the judges see it different, and Volk knows that better than we do. So, he's got work to do in the rematch, since he'll need to convincingly beat Islam. Hopefully, via a finish.

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UFC Fight Night: Krylov vs. Spann



Date: February 26, 2023
Main Card: SUN, FEB 12 / 5:00 AM EET
Prelims: SUN, FEB 12 / 3:00 AM EET
Early prelims: SUN, FEB 12 / 1:00 AM EET

Venue: UFC Apex

Main card (ESPN+)
Light Heavyweight: Nikita Krylov vs. Ryan Spann            
Middleweight: André Muniz vs. Brendan Allen            
Heavyweight: Augusto Sakai vs. Don'Tale Mayes            
Women's Flyweight: Tatiana Suarez vs. Montana De La Rosa            
Welterweight: Mike Malott vs. Yohan Lainesse
Lightweight: Erick Gonzalez vs. Trevor Peek         

Preliminary card (ESPN / ESPN+)
Women's Flyweight: Jasmine Jasudavicius vs. Gabriella Fernandes            
Lightweight: Jordan Leavitt vs. Victor Martinez            
Lightweight: Joe Solecki vs. Carl Deaton III            
Catchweight (130 lb): Ode' Osbourne vs. Charles Johnson            
Lightweight: Rafael Alves vs. Nurollo Aliev            
Women's Bantamweight: Hailey Cowan vs. Ailin Perez            
Bantamweight: Garrett Armfield vs. José Johnson   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Krylov_vs._Spann

I notice that UFC categorizes the events in which on this particular fight night the fighters are often good at submitting thier opponents.
I'm looking to root for Nikita Krylov and Brendan Allen, I don't follow these two but they seem to be dominating in thier previous fights.
^ Tatiana Suarez it is. I guess

It's kind of difficult to figure out who would possibly win in Augusto Sakai vs. Don'Tale Mayes fight. I'm waiting for your list in fight night, maybe you guys can share now before the odds change for worse.

[notblox1]

I've listed my reasons why I think Volkanovski won, but the judges see it different, and Volk knows that better than we do. So, he's got work to do in the rematch, since he'll need to convincingly beat Islam. Hopefully, via a finish.

I am just saying that Volkanovski can't be best pound for pound fighter, despite his great performance, he lost the fight.
Now I am hearing news of Islam's mother saying that she wants to see him quit fighting, and we all remember that was the reason Khabib retired from MMA at the top.
We don't know if Islam will do this, but in my opinion this is two different situation and Khabib is much better than both of this fighters, but we can only test this in virtual games now.
https://www.lowkickmma.com/islam-makhachev-mother-wants-him-retire/

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I notice that UFC categorizes the events in which on this particular fight night the fighters are often good at submitting thier opponents.
I'm looking to root for Nikita Krylov and Brendan Allen, I don't follow these two but they seem to be dominating in thier previous fights.
^ Tatiana Suarez it is. I guess

It's kind of difficult to figure out who would possibly win in Augusto Sakai vs. Don'Tale Mayes fight. I'm waiting for your list in fight night, maybe you guys can share now before the odds change for worse.

I think Krylov will win because he's better and well rounded rather than Spann. Both Muniz and Allen are actually similar, they're better in ground fight, but Allen is an underdog and the odds is quite high, so I'd go with Allen too since it's more worthy to bet him.

I don't have any idea why De La Rosa need to fight with Suarez, I'm sure Suarez will destory De La Rosa very easy because she have a clean record.

Sakai and Don'Tale, since it's a heavyweight division, I'm more convinced with Sakai because he has more power than Don'Tale.

[YuginKadoya]

Basically, you are saying that the person who does more damage wins the fight. That is also incorrect. One elbow cut and you are a winner. If the damage dealt would be the meter to tell who is the winner, then everyone would only throw elbows and that is it.

As a challenger, Volkanovski must have done 200% of him to win that fight. That is how I see it. Did he do that? No. You have to perform persuasively to make vision for judges that you are the winner. In situation when champ and challenger shows equal skills, champ always remains champ.

It will surely depend if a fighter would get in more damage and more volume of punches he can will a decision if his opponent is not KO'ed or yes an elbow cut for a doctor stoppage, or a submission because sometimes if a cut was not deep the doctor will not call a stoppage, for me if it is a decision it will surely apply,

If a rematch would commence For Islam Makhachev against Alexander Volkanovski, and Khabib Nurmagomenodov is in the corner, this is pretty much an Islam Makhachev win, Nurmagomenodov's coaching and motivation are truly amazing for me Khabib Nurmagomenodov is just building differently in terms of coaching,

Yeah...  Blanchfield is a pretty good prospect and she's young.  Just 23 years old.  If somehow Shev retires from MMA, there's her, Santos, Andrade could still be in the mix as she took the match on short notice and the French girl Fiorot who's also pretty good.  And there's the return of Tatiana Suarez this coming weekend.  She'll be at 125 now so let's see how she looks in the cage.

Here's the Multi Master.  I think my lottery ticket will not look the same as my MM picks.

UFC Fight Night 220 - Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440587.0

And here's something to watch in preparation for the event.

UFC Free Fight:  Krylov vs Gustaffson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdTb_pl_qo

I like to see a younger champion for the woman's division just Erin Blanchfield is just perfect for me I think she is champ material now, back then I never think of her as a threat to any in the top but after that fight with Jessica Andrade, pretty much it sums it up that she is the real deal her wrestling ability is something to be afraid off for newer opponent in that division, and life Shevchenko didn't retired soon this could be a great fight to watch but because of her young age and Shevchenko's age pretty much Erin Blanchfield could take the W,

[TopTort777]

We still dont know revenue numbers of UFC 284. Usually UFC like to share such information, but it looks like UFC 284 did not break any PPV records. The event could be very interesting and favoured for the fans, but not as profitable as UFC expected. I've seen that Islam and Alexander earned both one million US dollars. That is what usually what UFC champion earns for a fight. But that event did not set a record. This was a top event that did not bring top earnings for UFC imho. That is why I think that is one of the points why the rematch might not happen, as it might be not profitable.

Terrible pay when you compare it to boxing. Boxers earn 50+ million on the big fights and you cannot get any bigger then Islam vs Alexander. I wonder if the UFC will change their ways of paying fighters because other MMA organizations are starting to gain popularity and it is not a secret that they pay more then the ufc.

We would better not compare boxers and MMA fighters payment. Two sports are way to different. Get same audience to UFC, same sponsors, same history (UFC is to young, boxing championships appeared  in ~1700, simply wait till MMA passes 300 years gap and see how much would fighters get). Boxers must be paid more, their sport is way more dangerous than MMA.

Now I am hearing news of Islam's mother saying that she wants to see him quit fighting, and we all remember that was the reason Khabib retired from MMA at the top.
We don't know if Islam will do this, but in my opinion this is two different situation and Khabib is much better than both of this fighters, but we can only test this in virtual games now.
https://www.lowkickmma.com/islam-makhachev-mother-wants-him-retire/

Khabib follows theory, that a fighter can have a peak form only once. That was one of the reasons he retired from MMA. He felt that his form will start to go down so he decided to leave unbeaten. In the interviews he has mentioned that 32-33 is the peak age of a fighter. He has retired at 32, Islam is 31. I think he (or Abdulmanap) has inspired same theory to Makhachev. Khabib had 3 title defences, Islam only 1. I think we will see 2 more Islams fights, he will turn 32 and he will repeat Khabibs deed.

[tokeweed]

Yeah...  Blanchfield is a pretty good prospect and she's young.  Just 23 years old.  If somehow Shev retires from MMA, there's her, Santos, Andrade could still be in the mix as she took the match on short notice and the French girl Fiorot who's also pretty good.  And there's the return of Tatiana Suarez this coming weekend.  She'll be at 125 now so let's see how she looks in the cage.

Here's the Multi Master.  I think my lottery ticket will not look the same as my MM picks.

UFC Fight Night 220 - Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440587.0

And here's something to watch in preparation for the event.

UFC Free Fight:  Krylov vs Gustaffson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdTb_pl_qo

I like to see a younger champion for the woman's division just Erin Blanchfield is just perfect for me I think she is champ material now, back then I never think of her as a threat to any in the top but after that fight with Jessica Andrade, pretty much it sums it up that she is the real deal her wrestling ability is something to be afraid off for newer opponent in that division, and life Shevchenko didn't retired soon this could be a great fight to watch but because of her young age and Shevchenko's age pretty much Erin Blanchfield could take the W,

Shev may be old but so far she hasn't shown any signs of slowing down.  We'll see her back in the cage vs Grasso at IFC 285.  Should be good as they're both strikers...

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/726743-ufc-285-valentina-bullet-shevchenko-vs-alexa-grasso

But Shev does have a wrestling advantage if it comes to the clinch as I think she's physically stronger than Grasso.  Shev has a hip throw.

Anyway here's another vid to watch before the event.  Enjoy.

UFC Free Fight:  Spann vs Reyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4EwMham5nY

[Welsh]

I am just saying that Volkanovski can't be best pound for pound fighter, despite his great performance, he lost the fight.
Now I am hearing news of Islam's mother saying that she wants to see him quit fighting, and we all remember that was the reason Khabib retired from MMA at the top.
We don't know if Islam will do this

Pound for pound means best per pound of weight basically. Remember, that Volk moved up, just because he lost doesn't actually make Islam the number one pound for pound. I would agree with the reasoning that Volk is still the pound for pound champ. He basically moved up, and nearly won. That's the very definition in my opinion.

Obviously, to really cement things I think we'll need the rematch. It was just too close to call. I also, don't take Islam as much as a family man as Khabib. I might be wrong in that, but Khabib left at a time where he was dominant. I don't see Islam being quite as dominant at the moment. That could change, obviously.

[Synchronice]

We still dont know revenue numbers of UFC 284. Usually UFC like to share such information, but it looks like UFC 284 did not break any PPV records. The event could be very interesting and favoured for the fans, but not as profitable as UFC expected. I've seen that Islam and Alexander earned both one million US dollars. That is what usually what UFC champion earns for a fight. But that event did not set a record. This was a top event that did not bring top earnings for UFC imho. That is why I think that is one of the points why the rematch might not happen, as it might be not profitable.

Terrible pay when you compare it to boxing. Boxers earn 50+ million on the big fights and you cannot get any bigger then Islam vs Alexander. I wonder if the UFC will change their ways of paying fighters because other MMA organizations are starting to gain popularity and it is not a secret that they pay more then the ufc.

We would better not compare boxers and MMA fighters payment. Two sports are way to different. Get same audience to UFC, same sponsors, same history (UFC is to young, boxing championships appeared  in ~1700, simply wait till MMA passes 300 years gap and see how much would fighters get). Boxers must be paid more, their sport is way more dangerous than MMA.

Jon Jones gave up his UFC title because of a pay dispute. Well, he wanted a lot but at the same time it's true when he says that UFC fighters are truly underpaid and some of them can't even afford rent. On another hand, business is changing. No one will pay you if you can't sell the show. Dana White said that being a good fighter doesn't give you more revenue but your ability to sell show, that's why Conor Mcgregor, Floyd Mayweather and some other make millions per fight.
To summarize, it's the business model of UFC and at the same time UFC is the only famous MMA promoter while boxing is old, popular and well-established in society.

[notblox1]

Pound for pound means best per pound of weight basically. Remember, that Volk moved up, just because he lost doesn't actually make Islam the number one pound for pound. I would agree with the reasoning that Volk is still the pound for pound champ. He basically moved up, and nearly won. That's the very definition in my opinion.

Well I don't agree with that reasoning and nobody forced him to go division up, but same thing happened with Adesanya when he tried that and I think Adesanya is better fighter than Volkanovski pound for pound.
If UFC can make tricks like moving up Jon Jones in that ranking without any fights, than I can create my own Notblox ranking and put Khabib as still best pound for pound fighter in MMA

Obviously, to really cement things I think we'll need the rematch. It was just too close to call. I also, don't take Islam as much as a family man as Khabib. I might be wrong in that, but Khabib left at a time where he was dominant. I don't see Islam being quite as dominant at the moment. That could change, obviously.

I do agree with you that we need rematch Volk vs Islam, but I see now Islam is already asking for his next opponent, that means mother, Volk and retirement will have to wait

[Daltonik]

I do agree with you that we need rematch Volk vs Islam, but I see now Islam is already asking for his next opponent, that means mother, Volk and retirement will have to wait

And Alexander Volkanovski seems to be serious about a rematch with Islam Makhachev, which he actually reports on his Twitter in response to the call of Islam, so perhaps we can expect this soon, judging by the number of views and likes of the Volk tweet.

https://twitter.com/alexvolkanovski/status/1628318637571592192

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And Alexander Volkanovski seems to be serious about a rematch with Islam Makhachev, which he actually reports on his Twitter in response to the call of Islam, so perhaps we can expect this soon, judging by the number of views and likes of the Volk tweet.

I think the rematch should be in Volkanovksi's title e.g. featherweight, because the first match Makhachev was taking risk to lose his title, so it should be Volkanovski's turn now. However it will not be easy for Volkanovski since he will fight with a pressure, but it might force him to be better and try anything in order to win the fight. At least we will know Volkanovski will become heavier underdog, so it would be more profitable than the first match.

[inthelongrun]

I've listed my reasons why I think Volkanovski won, but the judges see it different, and Volk knows that better than we do. So, he's got work to do in the rematch, since he'll need to convincingly beat Islam. Hopefully, via a finish.

I am just saying that Volkanovski can't be best pound for pound fighter, despite his great performance, he lost the fight.
Now I am hearing news of Islam's mother saying that she wants to see him quit fighting, and we all remember that was the reason Khabib retired from MMA at the top.
We don't know if Islam will do this, but in my opinion this is two different situation and Khabib is much better than both of this fighters, but we can only test this in virtual games now.
https://www.lowkickmma.com/islam-makhachev-mother-wants-him-retire/

It is only a common practice that a p4p king losses that recognition if it lost its next fight even if it was outside of its normal division. But technically, it is not really a guarantee. The fight was very close and could've went either way tbh. P4p ranking is based on fighters' divisions and Volkanovski still seems invincible in his division.

Let's see if Makachev will listen to his mother since his dad seems to support him all the way. I believe Makachev will continue with his career. Still too many big and winnable fights for him. Instead of a rematch, I personally would love to see him defend his belt against either Oliveira and Poirier, or even Gaethji (needs a win first before facing Makachev).   

[Welsh]

Well I don't agree with that reasoning and nobody forced him to go division up, but same thing happened with Adesanya when he tried that and I think Adesanya is better fighter than Volkanovski pound for pound.
If UFC can make tricks like moving up Jon Jones in that ranking without any fights, than I can create my own Notblox ranking and put Khabib as still best pound for pound fighter in MMA

That's fair enough, I mean the pound for pound title is subjective at best. It's suppose to mean the best fighter based on their weight. Khabib definitely should be considered for it, as well as Izzy. The thing with Izzy he actually did perform pretty well, and he was severely underweight in that fight. So, yeah it's expected that we would lose going in so light.

However, just because someone loses a fight, a very close one at that; in a higher division doesn't mean they should lose the pound for pound title in my opinion. Again, it's very subjective, but it's not like Makhachev in his normal weight class absolutely dominated Volk, far from it. It's the same with Izzy vs Jan, does anyone really think Jan is better? Or was it due to the physical advantages?

[TopTort777]

I still dont understand why fighters care so much about pound for pound ranking. It does not mean that the fighter on the first place of this ranking is current worlds mma best fighter. There are so many promotion, that it is impossible to tell who really is the best. And there are "diamonds" that simply train, but never go professional. Even though they can beat lots of pros. Dont understand why there is so much talk about Islam or Volkanovski being top1 pound for pound. You dont get an extra belt for being top1 p4p, you dont get any extra payment bonuses for that.

[tokeweed]

^  Marketing...  If they're P4P king it means their stock is up and it also means more PPV points for events they're headlining.  Agree it's mostly bs and it's really just something for the fans to talk about.  But for the fighters it's all about getting the most money they can at the end of the day.

Anyway, here's my lottery ticket.  It's different from my Multi Master.  I'm going for underdogs who I think are live to get more value for my lottery ticket.  Dela Rosa is a longshot tho.  Lol.  It's just cos Suarez hasn't been in the cage for a long time.

Solecki - Aliev 1.77
Add: Muniz - Leavitt 4.74
Add:  Spann - Armfield 18.08
Add:  Lainesse - Peek 72.59
Add:  Mayes - Fernandez - Perez 531.45
Add:  Osbourne 1232.96
Add:  Dela Rosa 7397.77