🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Welsh]

Gane did win a few rounds, but not convincingly in my opinion, and quite honestly Ngannou visibly looked compromised in that fight, and obviously we know he later had surgery on the knee. So, yeah I think most of that was due to Ngannou not being able to move all that much, and it also affected his big shots he throws. However, I consider Jon Jones a lot better than Ngannou, and while a fight between them would've been entertaining, I just don't think Ngannou offers much other than the power he has. Jon likely takes him down, and wins through mitigating that power. Same as Gane, he's very good dancing around, and quick for a heavyweight, but his wrestling is quite frankly awful.

And the books actually rate Jones higher than Gane.  Jones is at 1.62, Gane is at 2.41.  If anything, Jones could be overrated as he's been away from the cage for so long.

Definitely. Although, I imagine he's in pretty good shape, and has still been training behind the scenes.

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[YuginKadoya]

I'm just hoping Jon Jones still has the fitness, and skill required after a rather lengthy lay off. I do believe he will, but I'm a little nervous. I'm not much of a fan of Gane as everyone knows, I do think he's rather overrated, and he basically got tossed around by Ngannou's wrestling. If Jon Jones is back to anywhere near his best, he'll find this rather easy in my opinion. As long as he doesn't trade for too long, but even then I actually fancy him winning the stand up.

I'll probably just go for Jon Jones to win though, the odds aren't great, but I just don't know what Jon Jones we're getting. Submission could be on the cards, but so could a decision.

Well, I am pretty much aware that you are not a fan of Ciryl Gane, and I am not a fan of Jon Jones aswell, but that doesn't mean I will not research and will be closeminded with what Jon Jones can do, I fancy a more technical fighter but if Ciryl Gane won't take extra care and bring this fight out of the box he would not win against Jon Jones if what you have said Jon Jones could still be like the version of him back then and gaining weight will surely feel that he can still move like that then Jon Jones got the high possibility in winning this, but I don't want to take off the fact that this is a different division this could also be new to him, and he might have a hard time while Ciry Gane is just good about this, or just maybe, just like Israel Adesanya Ciryl Gane got an ace on his sleeves that he can take off and used against Jones, let's just wait,

^  What the tape again...  Gane had the first couple of rounds.  But Ngannou had a bum knee tho.

https://www.mma-core.com/videos/Francis_Ngannou_vs_Ciryl_Gane_Full_Fight_UFC_270_Part_A/10431964

I won't exactly call Gane as somebody overrated as he's an elite striker and he's fast for his weight class.  He just lacks some wrestling.  Even Ngannou with a bum knee was able to control him.

And the books actually rate Jones higher than Gane.  Jones is at 1.62, Gane is at 2.41.  If anything, Jones could be overrated as he's been away from the cage for so long.

Well for me Ciryl Gane isn't really aware that Ngannou got that injured knee, and his corners and Gane aswell only know that Francis Ngannou is not a wrestling kind of guy he prefers a knockout win because it was indicated in the passion of how he handles his opponent and no decision win, but right now that decision win was because of Gane, but I can not compare Injured knee Francis Ngannou to Jone Jones, Ngannou has control and precision even with that injured knee, but maybe we could be surprise in what ever happen to the fight, that is why I can not wait on what may happen,

[Balmain]

UFC 285 this card looks pretty good heavyweight has always intrigued me. I will review the entire card. The main match of the card will be quite tough, even with a lot of creases. Gane attack hits are very effective and add to various knee and elbow combinations. Although Tai Tuivasa took a couple of blows in his fight, he had knocked out with very easy hits. But the legendary Jon Jones is explosive, his wrestling is quite strong. I can more or less predict how it will respond. He showed Gane very easily in Ngannu wrestling. I think Jon Jones will control Gane by setting up the game as unders and strikes.

[CryptoBuds]

UFC 285 this card looks pretty good heavyweight has always intrigued me. I will review the entire card. The main match of the card will be quite tough, even with a lot of creases. Gane attack hits are very effective and add to various knee and elbow combinations. Although Tai Tuivasa took a couple of blows in his fight, he had knocked out with very easy hits. But the legendary Jon Jones is explosive, his wrestling is quite strong. I can more or less predict how it will respond. He showed Gane very easily in Ngannu wrestling. I think Jon Jones will control Gane by setting up the game as unders and strikes.

^ UFC 285 Is going to be really interesting overall. But I am looking forward to seeing two people fight more than anyone else, Jon Jones and Valentina Shevchenko. These two fighters are really good. Valentina can put on a great performance. She has great technique.  And the spinning backhand punch is absolutely deadly from her.

Of course, everyone is waiting to watch Jon Jones fight. It is going to be really interesting to see how he performs after a big break. They are is a lot of hype around his fight. And I hope this fight lives up to the expectations.

[AverageGlabella]

I think Jon Jones gets the submission win but I keep doubting him because he has not been active for many years. If Gane can use his take down defense and keep the fight standing I think he beats Jon Jones by points. The hard part of the fight is knowing what condition and skills Jon Jones has because the last fight was too long ago. I do not like the odds for Jon Jones to win 1.60 knowing that he has been out for many years.

[Slow death]

the difference in odds is very big, looking at all the fights in which Ciryl Gane won, the guy takes little damage, but does a lot of damage to his opponents, his punches are fast and heavy, his kicks also seem to be heavy to me, the Gane's exchanges of punches manage to destabilize the opponent and when he corners the opponent, he doesn't stop throwing punches and kicks, this has been a good strategy for him, but his opponent is a guy who, when he catches his opponents, wins the fight right away. Jon jones takes a lot of damage in his fights, he takes a lot of punches and prefers to take the opponent and immobilize him to then throw blows and win the fight, jones prefers to leave his defense open so that his opponents can attack him and with that he maintains a short distance over the opponent so that he can catch it, he acts like a snake when he wants to catch prey

I don't know if Jon in this fight will be the same Jon from the past fights and I don't know if his physique will also allow him to have the same performance from the past fights, but his strategy from the past fights if he uses it against Ciryl Gane, they can do it Jon loses the fight, Ciryl Gane has good defense and has heavy punches that can break Jon's resistance, I think the odds had to be more balanced in my opinion, I still don't know who I'm going to bet on in this fight

[TopTort777]

Dont forget that Shavkat Rakhmonov (16-0) is also fighting in main card. This fighter gives is able to get in top5 of welterweight. But due to Jones and Gane, he is in shadows. His opponent, Geoff Neal, is not an easy opponent either.

Now to Gane vs Bones. Interesting to see if Bones still has his magic; elbows, dirty tricks How long has he been inactive? 3 years? Usually fighters lose their a lot from such a pause, and Bones was not only inactive, as far as I know there were long periods when he did not even train. I feel like Gane is going to finish him before timer runs out.

[Welsh]

Dont forget that Shavkat Rakhmonov (16-0) is also fighting in main card. This fighter gives is able to get in top5 of welterweight. But due to Jones and Gane, he is in shadows. His opponent, Geoff Neal, is not an easy opponent either.

Now to Gane vs Bones. Interesting to see if Bones still has his magic; elbows, dirty tricks How long has he been inactive? 3 years? Usually fighters lose their a lot from such a pause, and Bones was not only inactive, as far as I know there were long periods when he did not even train. I feel like Gane is going to finish him before timer runs out.

The odds aren't really worth it on Shavkat unless you're going by method. A decision could be on the cards, but I wouldn't feel confident betting on that. Geoff Neal hasn't got the best of take down defenses, and I imagine he gets tired from the grappling.

I'll be going for Jon Jones to win, but the value bet is Gane, and I imagine the odds will continue to widen the closer we get to the event. A lot of people are going to be betting no Jon Jones, just because of the hype behind him. I just hope we see at least some of the old Jon Jones. There's always questions of fighters when they're getting older, but when they've had a lengthy time out, that's always a worry.

[tokeweed]

Dont forget that Shavkat Rakhmonov (16-0) is also fighting in main card. This fighter gives is able to get in top5 of welterweight. But due to Jones and Gane, he is in shadows. His opponent, Geoff Neal, is not an easy opponent either.

Now to Gane vs Bones. Interesting to see if Bones still has his magic; elbows, dirty tricks How long has he been inactive? 3 years? Usually fighters lose their a lot from such a pause, and Bones was not only inactive, as far as I know there were long periods when he did not even train. I feel like Gane is going to finish him before timer runs out.

Rakhmonov is my top ticket guy for 285.  Geoff Neal hasdecent hands with powerrr but I think Rakhmonov is gonna make it look easy.  He'll prolly find a finish around R2 imho.

Dirty tricks...  Go watch Jones vs Teixeira again and in the match, prolly around R2 - R3, Jones grabbed Teixeira's right arm and yanked it hard.  It dislocated the arm and that's why Jones looked so dominant.  Pretty much he could do something with Gane.

Some free fights to watch.  Enjoy!

Jones vs Machida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLQbFS76tBY

Gane vs Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4mGKkjbeqE

Shev vs Andrade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABSlyPgCpI

Grasso vs Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Oabz5z6WLI

[Apocollapse]

I just hope we see at least some of the old Jon Jones. There's always questions of fighters when they're getting older, but when they've had a lengthy time out, that's always a worry.

Jones is currently 35 years old, I think it wouldn't have a problem since Glover Teixeira was still fighting even he's already 43 years old. The problem is Jones haven't fight any single match in the last 3 years, I think Jones still have his power and skill, but I doubt if it's enough to beat Gane because he's currently the best in heavyweight division. Gane is quite special too since he's slick even though he's heavy, it wouldn't be easy for Jones.

[inthelongrun]

I think Jon Jones gets the submission win but I keep doubting him because he has not been active for many years. If Gane can use his take down defense and keep the fight standing I think he beats Jon Jones by points. The hard part of the fight is knowing what condition and skills Jon Jones has because the last fight was too long ago. I do not like the odds for Jon Jones to win 1.60 knowing that he has been out for many years.

It's tempting to bet on Ciryl Gane. I'm just following updates and will wait for the weigh-in. But I will look forward to betting on Gane. Jon Jones is too inactive. This is his longest period of inactivity which is 3 years without a fight in the octagon. So no tune-up. And even if someone is always in the gym, it is still different when someone is training for a real fight. This is also Jones' first fight as a heavyweight. This might be the perfect time for Jones to have his first real defeat.

[TopTort777]

Dont forget that Shavkat Rakhmonov (16-0) is also fighting in main card. This fighter gives is able to get in top5 of welterweight. But due to Jones and Gane, he is in shadows. His opponent, Geoff Neal, is not an easy opponent either.

Now to Gane vs Bones. Interesting to see if Bones still has his magic; elbows, dirty tricks How long has he been inactive? 3 years? Usually fighters lose their a lot from such a pause, and Bones was not only inactive, as far as I know there were long periods when he did not even train. I feel like Gane is going to finish him before timer runs out.

Rakhmonov is my top ticket guy for 285.  Geoff Neal hasdecent hands with powerrr but I think Rakhmonov is gonna make it look easy.  He'll prolly find a finish around R2 imho.

Dirty tricks...  Go watch Jones vs Teixeira again and in the match, prolly around R2 - R3, Jones grabbed Teixeira's right arm and yanked it hard.  It dislocated the arm and that's why Jones looked so dominant.  Pretty much he could do something with Gane.

To be able to yank Ganes arm, he must first pass Ganes Thai clinch, knees and elbows. Plus physically, Ganes looks stronger. I dont think Bones would be able to pull something like he did against Texeira. But what Bones really can do is eye poking. In this fight he has few inches reach advantage. By knowing how Bones loves do eye poke, I am sure we gonna see them this weekend.

Funny how Neal is higher in top than Rakhmonov, but he is a huge underdog in this fight. Bookes multiply your bet 5 times if Neal wins However, I expect an early finish in this fight. First I thought that Neal has something special, an ace in pocket. But turns out he is universal fighter with a bit more of a striker guy. I think he is going to tap 

[Smack That Ace]

I think Jon Jones gets the submission win but I keep doubting him because he has not been active for many years. If Gane can use his take down defense and keep the fight standing I think he beats Jon Jones by points. The hard part of the fight is knowing what condition and skills Jon Jones has because the last fight was too long ago. I do not like the odds for Jon Jones to win 1.60 knowing that he has been out for many years.

It's tempting to bet on Ciryl Gane. I'm just following updates and will wait for the weigh-in. But I will look forward to betting on Gane. Jon Jones is too inactive. This is his longest period of inactivity which is 3 years without a fight in the octagon. So no tune-up. And even if someone is always in the gym, it is still different when someone is training for a real fight. This is also Jones' first fight as a heavyweight. This might be the perfect time for Jones to have his first real defeat.

John Jones should depend on his wrestling in this fight. First of all, he should try to feel the range. And whenever he can get close to the effective area, he should try to take Gane down. Because it has been a long time since he last fought. We all know that when anyone comes back from a big break it hurts a little more than before. If he can get his opponent on the ground he will be able to ground and pound which he can do better than Gane.

Regards

Duke

[Inwestour]

Jones is currently 35 years old, I think it wouldn't have a problem since Glover Teixeira was still fighting even he's already 43 years old. The problem is Jones haven't fight any single match in the last 3 years, I think Jones still have his power and skill, but I doubt if it's enough to beat Gane because he's currently the best in heavyweight division. Gane is quite special too since he's slick even though he's heavy, it wouldn't be easy for Jones.

These are two very cool, extraordinary fighters, but Gane is an active athlete who is in good shape, he fights consistently, and Jones has a huge pause of several years, and his last fights with Reyes and Santos were  not mutch impressive, and that was many years ago. Jones' advantage is precisely anthropometry, many fighters spoke about this, and of course experience, but a long break can be a significant disadvantage. Gane is mobile, have good strength, younger, I don't even know if I would prefer Gane in this fight.

[TopTort777]

Darren Till has been released from UFC. What can I say, he had a bright start, he was noticed on the media field, he can talk and sell fights. But 5 losses in last 6 fights is an indicator that it is time for him to look for another place to fight. Expected and natural outcome.

Also Khabibs friend, Zubaira Tukhugov, is no longer in UFC roster. His "zebra" record also triggered bosses to release him, as well as his great number of split decisions. Almost no finishes in UFC, each fight is close, missed weight in last fight. There are a lot of  hungry lions in lightweight to take his place.

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah Till's run in the UFC is done.  They gave him more than a couple chances to get back on track after having high hopes of him becoming the next big thing in the UFC.  It was Woodley who spoiled all of it for Till during his first run for the belt.

As for Tukhugov, I had him at my top ticket in his last match.  He looked like he didn't want to be in there anymore.  And finding out just now that it was the lst fight in his contract, the more that he should've showed that he wanted to be in there...  :/

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UFC 285 - Multi Master Challenge
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[TopTort777]

This morning, while surfing on the internet at work (really, who works at work, huh? ) I have found an interesting info. I was always curious, why some fighters tap almost immediately, while others prefer to get injured or fell asleep. My thought were that fighters have either huge balls, or prefer to lose like a true samurai - by dying. This might be fake, might be true, but if a fighter fell asleep during submission, athletic commission does not allow him to have a professional fight no sooner than in 6 months. So if some fighters expect to have next fight in less than 6 months, or be a replacement in main event, they tap.

What do you think about that?

[yazher]

I think Jon Jones gets the submission win but I keep doubting him because he has not been active for many years. If Gane can use his take down defense and keep the fight standing I think he beats Jon Jones by points. The hard part of the fight is knowing what condition and skills Jon Jones has because the last fight was too long ago. I do not like the odds for Jon Jones to win 1.60 knowing that he has been out for many years.

This will be difficult for him and to match him against the like of Gane, it's just a total waste if he messed it up and lose for the first time since he came back. But we all know Jones's capability in his pasts fights and this kind of opponent is like nothing to him and he always finds a way to win against his opponents just like Khabib does. But there's no doubt that this one will be hard for him because he hasn't felt the sense inside the cage for long and that would be his biggest disadvantage in this fight. Hope he will quickly adopt again so that we will see him once again with his unique skills in UFC.

[Marvell1]

I think it is life and death when a professional fighter is in the ring. And at the moment when the blood supply to the brain is being stopped by another professional fighter, it is even hard to think about what the athletic commission thinks and what the rules are.  

It's simple if the fighter has enough Fighting Spirit, he is not going to tap. But if he does not, or if he cannot bear the pain, he will tap. Another thing is, of course, a fighter is going to tap if his arm is going to be broken. It's better to lose this fight a little early which is inevitable and have better health to go into the next fight.

This morning, while surfing on the internet at work (really, who works at work, huh? ) I have found an interesting info. I was always curious, why some fighters tap almost immediately, while others prefer to get injured or fell asleep. My thought were that fighters have either huge balls, or prefer to lose like a true samurai - by dying. This might be fake, might be true, but if a fighter fell asleep during submission, athletic commission does not allow him to have a professional fight no sooner than in 6 months. So if some fighters expect to have next fight in less than 6 months, or be a replacement in main event, they tap.

What do you think about that?

[bittraffic]

I think it is life and death when a professional fighter is in the ring. And at the moment when the blood supply to the brain is being stopped by another professional fighter, it is even hard to think about what the athletic commission thinks and what the rules are.  

It's simple if the fighter has enough Fighting Spirit, he is not going to tap. But if he does not, or if he cannot bear the pain, he will tap. Another thing is, of course, a fighter is going to tap if his arm is going to be broken. It's better to lose this fight a little early which is inevitable and have better health to go into the next fight.

This morning, while surfing on the internet at work (really, who works at work, huh? ) I have found an interesting info. I was always curious, why some fighters tap almost immediately, while others prefer to get injured or fell asleep. My thought were that fighters have either huge balls, or prefer to lose like a true samurai - by dying. This might be fake, might be true, but if a fighter fell asleep during submission, athletic commission does not allow him to have a professional fight no sooner than in 6 months. So if some fighters expect to have next fight in less than 6 months, or be a replacement in main event, they tap.

What do you think about that?

When he is smart enough to feel the strength that he can't get out of the choking arms, he needs to tap. Refusing to give up will lead to unconsciousness that's why the referee is very attentive to watch it closely especially in guillotine choke or triangle choke when they can't see the hands of the fighter to determine whether he is still breathing.

6 months seem a very rough penalty though. It would be Ok if every fight they earn 6 digits but that's not possible for all.