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August 29, 2019, 01:58:40 PM
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and what only CSW is able to Report from the beginnings

I've not seen any evidence that CSW was even aware of Bitcoin prior to 2013. Do you have any that wasn't supplied (or 'leaked') by CSW himself?


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There is nothing pointing towards Dave Kleiman, besides Craig's forged documents. Craig brought him up in an interview with Gizmodo (in 2015).

I'm intrigued as to where he dug him up from. Presumably he must have had some awareness of his conventional security work. His demise and background fit the narrative he wanted to push very neatly, at the start at least.

Kleiman was a long-time member of the same Metzdowd Cryptography mailing list where Satoshi Nakamoto first announced Bitcoin on Oct. 31, 2008.

Yep - put some probability numbers behind CSW and DK , their skills, their interests and what only CSW is able to Report from the beginnings, and they are both quite likely Satoshi.
No other comes  close to that probability - trolls just getting pissed, cause CSW wanna destroy their anno sefgork tool - sorry

Sure Hal Finney didn't come close to fraudtoshi ? ROLFCopter

Nick Szabo doesn't either ? ROLFCopter bis
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"You may or may not be aware that Craig Wright, the Australian former pastor and polymath who claims to be bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto, is not only suing a bunch of people for saying he’s a fraud, but is also himself being sued for only being 50 per cent Satoshi (while the people who he’s suing believe he is zero per cent Satoshi).

The man suing Wright is Ira Kleiman, brother of the late Dave Kleiman, an American computer engineer who Ira says helped Wright invent bitcoin. Ira has argued that his brother’s stash of coins and his intellectual property rights were “seized” in a malicious scheme perpetrated by Wright after Dave’s death in 2013. He’s been suing Wright on behalf of Kleiman’s estate for half of the bitcoins that were apparently jointly mined by Wright and Kleiman (as “Satoshi”) between 2009 and 2011 — a stash of around 1 million bitcoins or around $10bn — as well as half of the IP.

Wright has denied the partnership, and has argued that all his bitcoins are tied up in the “Tulip Trust”, which he says he cannot decrypt until he gets access to the key from a bonded courier in January, 2020. (It’s literally like a scene from Back to the Future.)

It’s been a pretty interesting case to watch, given that most of the major players in bitcoinland think that Wright is a liar, and given Wright would have to produce some evidence to establish whether or not he was in fact a liar.

But it seems that he failed to produce any such evidence. And now, a US judge has decided that Wright is indeed a liar. And not only that, but a liar under oath — a perjurer!

On Tuesday, Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart produced a decidedly spicy court order:

Apparently, dead men tell no tales, but they (perhaps) send bonded couriers. See John Dryden, “The Spanish Fryar or The Double Discovery”, Act IV, Scene 1 (1681) (“there is a Proverb, I confess, which says, That Dead men tell no Tales.”). I completely reject Dr. Wright’s testimony about the alleged Tulip Trust, the alleged encrypted file, and his alleged inability to identify his bitcoin holdings.

The evidence establishes that (Wright) has engaged in a willful and bad faith pattern of obstructive behavior, including submitting incomplete or deceptive pleadings, filing a false declaration, knowingly producing a fraudulent trust document, and giving perjurious testimony at the evidentiary hearing.

The order came less than two weeks after District Court Judge Beth Bloom said in a court order that Wright had “failed to present credible evidence”. While Judge Reinhart was compelled to turn to tragicomedy in his order, Judge Bloom turned to poetry, quoting Walter Scott: “Oh! What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.”

Judge Reinhart establishes in his order that, for the purposes of the case, “Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into... 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual property and to mine bitcoin”; that “any Bitcoin-related intellectual property developed by Dr. Wright prior to David Kleiman’s death was property of the partnership”; that “all bitcoin mined by Dr. Wright prior to David Kleiman’s death (“the partnership’s bitcoin”) was property of the partnership when mined”; and that “plaintiffs presently retain an ownership interest in the partnership’s bitcoin, and any assets traceable to them”.

What the order does not establish is whether or not Wright was indeed Satoshi — either part of him, or all of him. It also doesn’t establish whether Wright has the $10bn in bitcoin that he says he has. In fact the order explicitly says:

...the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. The Court is also not required to decide, and does not decide, how much bitcoin, if any, Dr. Wright controls today.

But of course, that didn’t stop Team Craigtoshi from saying that this was an endorsement of Wright’s claims to be Satoshi, just like a registration with the US Copyright Office was an official “recognition”. Online gambling tycoon and Bitcoin SV shill Calvin Ayre took to Twitter on Wednesday:


The other thing that the judge did not do — though this has been very widely reported, was order Wright to hand over half his stash. The case is actually not over yet. We called up Stephen Palley, a Washington, DC-based lawyer who specialises in all things blockchain and crypto, to get clarification on this.

He said to say Wright had been ordered to pay up $5bn was incorrect, and that the case could drag on for another six months to a year. He did add, however:

I view this case as being over. When you have two federal judges that have said you’re a ducking [sic] liar, you’re not going to win.

Palley said it was extremely unlikely now that the case would go to trial, and that it would instead probably be resolved by a “summary judgment” — a court decision that at full trial is not necessary, so essentially a trial on paper — and that Wright was highly likely to lose.

We also got in touch with Wright’s people to ask for comment, and were directed towards an interview Wright gave to Modern Consensus on Monday, after the initial recommendation in court.

It seems that the interviewer, Brendan Sullivan — a man who recently penned a piece entitled “New Prime Minister Boris Johnson needs to turn to crypto before the EU turns on him”, arguing that BoJo “could ease Britain’s currency crisis by investing in cross-border crypto payments such a Facebook’s Libra” (ahem) — is a long-term fan of Wright. At one point he says:

I know people think you’re a miserable pr**k. But you once told me that you and your wife had decided that this $10 billion fortune was too much. You said you worried about what it would do for your kids.

To which Wright responds:

It’s f***ing scary. Now the kids are going to know that we have the other $5 billion. And it really sucks. Imagine that (laughs). I had planned to live a long time and hopefully they wouldn’t know until they were older and we were gone. It could affect their whole lives.

A strange concern for Wright, particularly given that he told all of us at Vaudeville — or #ftalphavillepresentsvaudevillethefyrefestivaloffinance — last month that he was going to give away an $8bn bitcoin stash (at then-current market rates) to charity, which was widely reported, by publications including Calvin Ayre’s own Coingeek. Surely this is not, then, a revelation for his kids? We presume that Wright still intends to give away the other few billion, so why will this affect their whole lives?

But anyway. Either Wright is only half of Satoshi and the world’s poor are only going to get a few billion because the Kleimans are going to get the rest, or Wright is the whole Satoshi but the world’s poor are still only going to get a few billion because US courts don’t believe in Wright, OR the world’s poor are not about to be given any number of billions of dollars, because Wright’s not Satoshi and doesn’t have $8bn, or $10bn for that matter. Who knows??

Either way, seems like the life of Craigtoshi has the makings of a West End musical one day. Or at least a Netflix series. Oh. "

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You may or may not be aware that Craig Wright, the Australian former pastor and polymath who claims to be bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto, is not only suing a bunch of people for saying he’s a fraud, but is also himself being sued for only being 50 per cent Satoshi (while the people who he’s suing believe he is zero per cent Satoshi). ..

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August 29, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
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is there a million bitcoins at Wright - is unknown, but the fact that they were with he - 100%

he either lost his keys or came up with the illusion of Fund to protect himself from burglars
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August 29, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
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is there a million bitcoins at Wright - is unknown, but the fact that they were with he - 100%

he either lost his keys or came up with the illusion of Fund to protect himself from burglars
Craig did not have the million bitcoins because I am satoshi. Prove me wrong.

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August 29, 2019, 04:29:16 PM
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Bitcoin Shit Version blocks 597674 to 597696 (23 blocks). Not a single one reached 1Mb.

Gigameg fail.
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August 29, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
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is there a million bitcoins at Wright - is unknown, but the fact that they were with he - 100%

he either lost his keys or came up with the illusion of Fund to protect himself from burglars

Show me irrefutable evidence that Craig owned 1,000,000 BTC at some point in time and I'll pay you $10,000.

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is there a million bitcoins at Wright - is unknown, but the fact that they were with he - 100%

he either lost his keys or came up with the illusion of Fund to protect himself from burglars

LOL, sure, he owns a million bitcoins but decides to buy 17 for over twenty grand at its peak during the MtGox 'Willy Bot Bubble' of November 2013

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As /u/winlifeat posted here, Craig was user 'e62d5e53-0dbc-44be-9591-725cd55ca9dd' at the Mtgox exchange. With this identifier, it's possible to look up his trades in the 2014 leak. I posted the raw data in this pastebin, you can import it into spreadsheet software like Excel to play with it yourself.

He started trading at 22/04/2013, this is just after the crash of the April 2013 bubble (or the 'Cyprus bubble'). He lost interest pretty quickly, because activity stopped 27/04, only to come back 25/11 around the peak of the last bitcoin bubble. His average price is actually $120 and he bought around 50 bitcoins, but his last buy was 17 bitcoins at around $1200. He ends up with a balance of just under 15 bitcoins when mtgox shuts down, so he probably lost another few bitcoins with trading. (The trade data in the leak stops at November 2013)


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Craig cucked himself by contradicting his testimony in an interview, after the last hearing ended: https://twitter.com/Mike__V_/status/1166970261020848128

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Craig cucked himself by contradicting his testimony in an interview, after the last hearing ended: https://twitter.com/Mike__V_/status/1166970261020848128

When I read the Modern Consensus story, I thought, oh this is just Craig being Craig, saying anything and sticking to the lie in full force. But at a second glance, yes it appears he is completely contradicting what he said in court about not being able to touch the bitcoin.

Craig in court:

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Q    So the key to billions of dollars-worth of Bitcoin, you have no idea where the key to that exists?
A    No, I have ideas of where it exists.

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Really looking forward to seeing how this will unfold. Calvin is trying to do some damage control on Twitter and he's miserably failing.

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I could have tanked the market anytime in the last 10 years and ran away laughing. I didn’t.



Just like he write to Roger Ver that he would sink BCH (make it trade to zero for months) during their hash war.

Pahtological liar.
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is there a million bitcoins at Wright - is unknown, but the fact that they were with he - 100%

he either lost his keys or came up with the illusion of Fund to protect himself from burglars

Show me irrefutable evidence that Craig owned 1,000,000 BTC at some point in time and I'll pay you $10,000.

Let's up the ante, eh? From the desk of What's Wright is Wright, I'm officially pulling a [Matthew Neal] Wright (reference below the fold), namely I'll pay anyone ... wait for it ... $1,000,000 ($1M) if you show me irrefutable evidence that Craig Steven Wright owned ~1M BTC at some point in time. If proven and I don't pay up, theymos has my permission to ban me and my multiple sock pockets from this BBS, whereupon I'll be forever chastised from the crypto community.

Ref.: I made a huge bet with money I would never have had to give away if I lost to intentionally prove a point about people's insane amount of trust to strangers (no escrow? millions of dollars?), that Pirate was not a scammer (which he is) and continued to increase that amount for the pure comedy of it. What started as a horrible prank soon ended up a sad display of people's greed and desperation. I have since realized that almost any prank is acceptable, except ones that involve people's money. Despite the numerous individuals pleading for me not to pay those who would not have paid if they lost, I had decided to settle with all of the betters anyway and as of writing this have settled with almost all of them, the rest being paid slowly as I am able to.

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August 30, 2019, 07:24:11 AM
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I post this also here (sorry for double posting) because BSV shills are keeping on lying about the august 27th ruling in the Kleiman vs Wright case.

If some of the little baby trolls herein would have some balls, they could come up with their pricky faces
And try to talk their "facts" in same manner as these decent ppl are capable of.

So show us ur counter facts (lol) pls

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/cx0vmh/kleiman_vs_craig_wright_getting_the_facts/

Usual lies from a BSV shill.

The Court ordered Wright to reveal his holdings, he refused to. Civil contempt of Court, Judge decides to use article 37B for proceeding.

Kleiman Estate Entitled to 500K coins of any Bitcoin fork, includes BCH and BSV.

Judge did not recommend, it is an ORDER
-> "WHEREFORE, it is ordered that:1.The Motion to Compel [DE 210] is GRANTED..."
-> "Pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 37(b)(2)(A)(i), the Court deems the following facts to be established for purposes of this action:"
-> "DONE AND ORDERED in Chambers this 27thday of August, 2019, at West Palm Beach in the Southern District of Florida."


BSV shills can't read.


I'm still waiting for BSV shills arguments, I'm in my ROLFCopter.

Anyone can read the decision here: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf
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August 30, 2019, 07:28:41 AM
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Rats are leaving the sinking BSV boat.

Announcement from Kevin Pham (https://twitter.com/_Kevin_Pham/status/1167234860198445056)

"I have announcement:

I'm officially retiring from being a Bitcoin Civil War general.

I've been fighting, arguing, & trolling for almost three years now and I'm tired.

I just want to be a normal person again.

I'm going to return to my phamily & till my crops.

I bid you adieu."

Then precises

"I'm not going anywhere, I just retired from trolling and fighting.

My focus now is on using BSV technology to build products that help people."


After the Florida Barbecue Party, he can't shill and promote Bitcoin Shit Version anymore.
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August 30, 2019, 07:30:26 AM
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Rats are leaving the sinking BSV boat.

Announcement from Kevin Pham (https://twitter.com/_Kevin_Pham/status/1167234860198445056)

"I have announcement:

I'm officially retiring from being a Bitcoin Civil War general.

I've been fighting, arguing, & trolling for almost three years now and I'm tired.

I just want to be a normal person again.

I'm going to return to my phamily & till my crops.

I bid you adieu."

Then precises

"I'm not going anywhere, I just retired from trolling and fighting.

My focus now is on using BSV technology to build products that help people."


After the Florida Barbecue Party, he can't shill and promote Bitcoin Shit Version anymore.

Wow - what a victory. Or did you get it as one ?

Lol

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August 30, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
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and what only CSW is able to Report from the beginnings

I've not seen any evidence that CSW was even aware of Bitcoin prior to 2013. Do you have any that wasn't supplied (or 'leaked') by CSW himself?



I take it that's a no, hv_?

CSW has a history of 'assignment' of value to bitcoins he claims to own which are then proven to be other people's addresses. He has used this 'assignment of value' to claim rebates for cash from the ATO and, as seen in the Kleiman case, to pretend he owns addresses which are known to belong to Satoshi, none of which he has ever proven beyond his own assertion.

So I ask you again, what evidence do you have that CSW even held bitcoin prior to 2013, let alone was its creator?


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August 30, 2019, 10:52:04 AM
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and what only CSW is able to Report from the beginnings

I've not seen any evidence that CSW was even aware of Bitcoin prior to 2013. Do you have any that wasn't supplied (or 'leaked') by CSW himself?



I take it that's a no, hv_?

CSW has a history of 'assignment' of value to bitcoins he claims to own which are then proven to be other people's addresses. He has used this 'assignment of value' to claim rebates for cash from the ATO and, as seen in the Kleiman case, to pretend he owns addresses which are known to belong to Satoshi, none of which he has ever proven beyond his own assertion.

So I ask you again, what evidence do you have that CSW even held bitcoin prior to 2013, let alone was its creator?



You would'nt ask such Thing from Satoshi, would you?

So - nobody really knows that, except a few or only one guy.

I just look who acts / says / writes what and how(!). That's all a decent guy (with a big blocker brain  Smiley )  could do here out in the eFields.

Come up with some proper proof another guy fits better, and no - its neither Hal nor Nick...




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