⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[savetheFORUM]

It's not for me to explain to you, but it all comes down to money, since by firing Koeman, Barça will not be able to afford a worthy replacement.

Currently, Barcelona is facing very serious issue regarding their finances, and they already have some good offer from Dubai based company most chances in next few weeks they are going to have board members meeting, and they are going to settle things because they are already facing some serious problems due to Messi and Grizemann exit so hopefully this all will settle Aguero and Dembele also on recovery mod so this all will change fortune for them which bring them back on limelight for better results in La Liga but in Champions League this year they already have some threat of early exit.

[Cafex]

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

[tbterryboy]

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

In Last season these two teams fight and Atletico Madrid won just because of injuries hit Liverpool was not with full squad as score was just 1 - 0 but now in this season Liverpool is doing some very good finishing. They have all available resources, so I am feeling now Liverpool can give some tough time to Atletico Madrid at their home even they can win this match because their away form is very good they already ruined Porto in their own backyard and Atletico Madrid was not good against Porto.

[EdenHazard]

It's not for me to explain to you, but it all comes down to money, since by firing Koeman, Barça will not be able to afford a worthy replacement.

Currently, Barcelona is facing very serious issue regarding their finances, and they already have some good offer from Dubai based company most chances in next few weeks they are going to have board members meeting, and they are going to settle things because they are already facing some serious problems due to Messi and Grizemann exit so hopefully this all will settle Aguero and Dembele also on recovery mod so this all will change fortune for them which bring them back on limelight for better results in La Liga but in Champions League this year they already have some threat of early exit.

im pretty enjoyed on how barcelona makes the champions league group getting tight tho 

i wont bet for barcelona to win this champions league trophy as the bad form could still  continue later on.
but in short period it seems promising barcelona to recover and get a sure winning in the next match group stage.

[Silberman]

Sheriff Tiraspol have drawn the attention of all people by the results they have gotten so far in their group matches. Who would have thought that they would play this smart and win both of their first two matches? I can get the win against Shakhtar by 2-0 as it was a home match and Shakhtar weren't in a very ideal shape. But the win against Real Madrid even away was just something else. I don't know how but they managed to defeat Real Madrid by 2-1 even though their competitor was completely dominating the match. It was like a miracle for them. I can't wait to watch their next match vs Inter.

I also don't understand about that because I didn't watch the match live, but apart from that I personally wouldn't assume that the favorite team underestimated Sheriff Tiraspol. I just think that Sheriff Tiraspol or weak teams or mediocre teams do sometimes give big surprises in the UCL, but the surprise they have given so far to win at the Santiago Bernabéu is something really extraordinary. But with this result I believe Inter will play better than Shakhtar and Madrid and also, I believe in the second leg Sheriff Tiraspol will not be able to do much, I can't wait for the moment and the result in the next match.

Well football is not a 1-0-1-0 binary game that is based on data. Sometimes players work really hard, like seriously hard in a game, and the other team doesn't play that well, we are all humans and we have bad days and it happens, you can't expect 100% from every player every game. That is exactly what happened with Sheriff, they played very very hard (not meaning tackles, just running around a lot) and they gave it their all because they know this could be one of the rare chances they could be in the groups so they wanted to show themselves, and maybe some of them would be bought by bigger clubs and paid decent wages.

So, it is about "heart" and sheriff put up a lot more heart. They also look like they might actually end up going to next stage as well, they already have 6 points and if they end up losing every single game left then they might end up not going to next stage but if they get some draws and maybe another win then they could actually be going further.

This is why predicting the result of any match is never a sure thing no matter how safe any bet could seem at first sight, players have financial motivations to play the game, even if they love it this is their profession and it is the way their earn their living, so when they know they are going to play a game against a great team which will be eventually watched by all the important people on the world of soccer then they give it all in an attempt to get a raise on their club or the possibility to be acquired by a better club and be paid more money than what they currently get.

[joker_josue]

This is why predicting the result of any math is never a sure thing no matter how safe any bet could seem at first sight, players have financial motivations to play the game, even if they love it this is their profession and it is the way their earn their living, so when they know they are going to play a game against a great team which will be eventually watched by all the important people on the world of soccer then they give it all in an attempt to get a raise on their club or the possibility to be acquired by a better club and be paid more money than what they currently get.

No more! This is even a strategy used by coaches and club officials, to try to motivate players for these games. If later they manage to have good performances, the motivation will increase which makes them continue to have positive results. In football, it is not enough to have good players and a good tactic, the psychological issue counts for a lot.

That's certainly what's going on at the Sheriff. They are highly motivated to play in the Champions League, and everyone at the club wants to make the most of it. Because of that motivation, they've been getting good results.

[Lordhermes]

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

Ofcourse yes,and with the way Liverpool are going,I see them at the sem
i final already.Their manager Jorgen klopp is not happy about how they finished last season,and so wants to really do something amazing this season.
Talking about the match between Athletico and them,I think It's a goal goal match,but the fact still remains that Liverpool will win that encounter,no matter how Athletico tried,defeating Liverpool will really be a hard nut to crack.

[babo]

Well football is not a 1-0-1-0 binary game that is based on data. Sometimes players work really hard, like seriously hard in a game, and the other team doesn't play that well, we are all humans and we have bad days and it happens, you can't expect 100% from every player every game. That is exactly what happened with Sheriff, they played very very hard (not meaning tackles, just running around a lot) and they gave it their all because they know this could be one of the rare chances they could be in the groups so they wanted to show themselves, and maybe some of them would be bought by bigger clubs and paid decent wages.

So, it is about "heart" and sheriff put up a lot more heart. They also look like they might actually end up going to next stage as well, they already have 6 points and if they end up losing every single game left then they might end up not going to next stage but if they get some draws and maybe another win then they could actually be going further.

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

[hahay]

On the next match week, one of the biggest matches is Atletico Madrid - Liverpool. I expect a really competitive match among these teams. But I must admit that Liverpool are much better performing side so far this season. Because Liverpool are the best in this draw in terms of offense and defense both. Atletico Madrid haven't been showing a decent performance recently. They will want to keep a low pace in this game to have a chance against Liverpool. If Liverpool still manage to play their usual game, they would win this.

Ofcourse yes,and with the way Liverpool are going,I see them at the sem
i final already.Their manager Jorgen klopp is not happy about how they finished last season,and so wants to really do something amazing this season.
Talking about the match between Athletico and them,I think It's a goal goal match,but the fact still remains that Liverpool will win that encounter,no matter how Athletico tried,defeating Liverpool will really be a hard nut to crack.

It's a game I'm sure will start with high tension throughout the game but unfortunately, even though Liverpool are looking better I personally still believe Atlético can take advantage of their home factor. I also realize Liverpool this season have a better chance of winning but Liverpool's away games are not very promising for me, so when Atlético's squad gets their morale back I'm sure Atlético will be able to handle this match well.

[DU18]

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

[mv1986]

The next year will be better for them but they need to conclude this year in the top 4 spots in the national championship or it will be a massacre without the money from Champions Leauge.

Barcelona still has a chance to improve their squad this season in January, I think La Liga is not a very competitive league so it won't be too difficult for Barcelona to be in 4th place in the standings at the end of the season, so maybe it will be a bit disappointing for Barcelona fans who hope this season barcelona can win a trophy after the failure of last season, even though barcelona condition is bad at this time but finishing in the top 4 is not a difficult thing for them even though they have been out of the championship path right now.

What do you mean by improving their squad? Get new players? Well, they can only get players that are not qualified for the Champions League or played in the CL yet, or otherwise they can't play for Barcelona in the CL. I don't know how much of an improvement those players would really be, but maybe you are right and Barcelona doesn't even have a choice but act.

There are some good enough players who don't play in the champions league. Europa League has decent players. All Barcelona has to do is somehow survive this season with a finish in the top four and maybe go as far as they can in the Champions League. Maybe next season they can go all out in the transfer market. But if they fail to finish top 4, that would impact very badly next season.

While I have no idea if and how the financial fair play stuff in Spain actually works, keep in Mind that Messi had to go for financial reasons. Yes I know he earned a shit ton of money, but is Barcelona really able to get so many new players or good players given how much debt they have? If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, holy cow that could end badly for them.

Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.

However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

Wow, those numbers are absolutely insane. When you pay salaries like they did for Messi, there is only one way to make it work: win every competition possible. Literally every single competition or you can't finance the squad's salary anymore. Crazy how it has come with Barcelona now, considering what kind of a extraordinary world class team they have been between 2007/08 and 2015/16/17.

[henmark]

im pretty enjoyed on how barcelona makes the champions league group getting tight tho 

i wont bet for barcelona to win this champions league trophy as the bad form could still  continue later on.
but in short period it seems promising barcelona to recover and get a sure winning in the next match group stage.

Two very bad loses in early matches of Champions League bring too much down and now peoples talking about early exit, but this break is surely going to be good for them as they need some time which is already available, so they can still fight back from this all. Now after first Valencia and then Kyiv can turn all things in their favor because still 4 matches in Champions League available for them even it's mission impossible for them came up from this down, but any result can happen in any match.

[coderben]

Sheriff Tiraspol are just adding a lot of fun into the Champions League by their totally unexpected results. I think that it is always good to see some different teams showing themselves in a strong way. Otherwise, the tournament would be really boring and most fans would lose their attention. But I feel the same way as you that Sheriff Tiraspol can't maintain this form till the end of the rest of the group matches. But I hope that they can qualify for the Europa League in the worst case.

I mentally see how people try to try their luck by betting on the victory of the Tiraspol Sheriff in the match against the Inter, and I see how bookmakers will make money on this, lol. I hope the same for Shakhtar, although he already won the Europa League in 2009, so Shakhtar needs to win the Champions League at least once in order to knock the arrogance off the titled clubs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people who will bet on Sheriff Tiraspol's victory will be sad after the result of the match. Because I think that Inter will most probably defeat them and get their first win also in their group matches. Because they lost to Real Madrid and drew with Shakhtar also. They will focus on winning against Sheriff Tiraspol two times in a row to pull themselves together and rise to the upper places.

[CryptoBuds]

im pretty enjoyed on how barcelona makes the champions league group getting tight tho 
i wont bet for barcelona to win this champions league trophy as the bad form could still  continue later on.
but in short period it seems promising barcelona to recover and get a sure winning in the next match group stage.

Two very bad loses in early matches of Champions League bring too much down and now peoples talking about early exit, but this break is surely going to be good for them as they need some time which is already available, so they can still fight back from this all. Now after first Valencia and then Kyiv can turn all things in their favor because still 4 matches in Champions League available for them even it's mission impossible for them came up from this down, but any result can happen in any match.

^ The next two matches for Barcelona against Valencia and Kyiv are crucial. I heard the news that Aguero and Ansu Fati might return in the next match which is good news for them. But Barcelona needs to win the match with Kyiv at any cost, otherwise, 3 straight losses in the CL would be pretty hectic. Also, they are yet to score in the CL and 2 matches have been already played by them and they have conceded 6 goals in those 2 matches. If Barcelona wants to qualify, which I think will be very unlikely to happen, they have to win the next match against Kyiv.

[KTChampions]

Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.

However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

Wow, those numbers are absolutely insane. When you pay salaries like they did for Messi, there is only one way to make it work: win every competition possible. Literally every single competition or you can't finance the squad's salary anymore. Crazy how it has come with Barcelona now, considering what kind of a extraordinary world class team they have been between 2007/08 and 2015/16/17.

It would be interesting to see how this debt emerged over time. I know that the entire sports industry has suffered from the pandemic, but I am sure that such a gigantic amount of debt has been accumulating for more than one year or two. I do not understand well what the club's management was guided by when it drove it into such debts and I do not understand how Barcelona can pay off its creditors. In 2000, Real Madrid had a similar situation and they were forced to sell their training base in the very center of Madrid in order to pay off the debt.

[Maidak]

While I have no idea if and how the financial fair play stuff in Spain actually works, keep in Mind that Messi had to go for financial reasons. Yes I know he earned a shit ton of money, but is Barcelona really able to get so many new players or good players given how much debt they have? If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, holy cow that could end badly for them.

Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.
However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

Wow, those numbers are absolutely insane. When you pay salaries like they did for Messi, there is only one way to make it work: win every competition possible. Literally every single competition or you can't finance the squad's salary anymore. Crazy how it has come with Barcelona now, considering what kind of a extraordinary world class team they have been between 2007/08 and 2015/16/17.

If they are not able to get financial help from the said company, they are gonna in huge trouble as decreasing the wage percentage from 103% to 70% is a huge if not impossible task. I think that if they want to cut the wage of every player, most players would disagree with the contract which would lead to huge chaos. We already saw that only Pique stepped up to take a wage cut when Barca was in deeper trouble, although have sold Griezmann and that should help a bit, but still 103% wage is too much. Let's just hope they get financial help from the Dubai-based company.

[BITCOIN4X]

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

Not 100% useful? Maybe right. But the statistics and H2H of both teams will be able to help you make a choice when you want to bet on one of the teams. Usually people will choose which team wins the most and will adjust to the current condition of the team. H2H won't determine the outcome, but it can help you judge who you deserve to win in a match.

[babo]

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

that's why football matches are fun
I look at them for that reason

even though it's my favorite team and the games are boring, I don't watch it! I pay the ticket for my entertainment (this is my philosophy)!!

[panjul07]

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

Not 100% useful? Maybe right. But the statistics and H2H of both teams will be able to help you make a choice when you want to bet on one of the teams. Usually people will choose which team wins the most and will adjust to the current condition of the team. H2H won't determine the outcome, but it can help you judge who you deserve to win in a match.

H2H statistics does not give help you a lot, why? All teams are changing from time to time so it is not a good source to determine which team will have better chance to win the match.
Moreover, we are talking about UCL where we usually see so many surprises every year.
I myself do not use H2H statistic to determine which team is having bigger chance to win, I prefer to investigate their last several matches.

[AakZaki]

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

To be honest, H2H doesn't have much effect on betting, maybe if the percentage is only 5% of the effect. Analysis of the quality of players, coaches, the history of previous matches, The state of the players has a greater influence. Maybe it's not all true but at least I think that's the most important thing before doing the game. Because everything in football can happen, sometimes statistics are just useless historical writings.