⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[herurist]

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

with statistics and h2h it would be great to add confidence about the support of a club, but on the other hand what you say is the right thing. things like this should not always be used as a reference because this is not a data game, but how can they be consistent and can play as a team in the available 90 minutes.
Of course, the existence of h2h and the history of the team playing is very good, but only as a pioneer to increase enthusiasm, I think because it will not have much effect on the game.

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[skarais]

To be honest, H2H doesn't have much effect on betting, maybe if the percentage is only 5% of the effect. Analysis of the quality of players, coaches, the history of previous matches, The state of the players has a greater influence. Maybe it's not all true but at least I think that's the most important thing before doing the game. Because everything in football can happen, sometimes statistics are just useless historical writings.

There are too many facts that we meet that sometime the favorite team is not able to win easy matches because the opponent plays well enough. H2H is not that important in my opinion because it doesn't have much positive impact on betting success. On many occasions I have assessed the quality of the team and its players before making a bet and usually H2H also gets my attention in comparison. Gamblers definitely have their own way that may differ from other gamblers, so it doesn't matter as long as it's in their favor.

The third group stage match will start on 19 October or after this international break is over. We will have some big games later, Atletico Madrid vs Liverpool one of the most anticipated match.

[tbterryboy]

I mentally see how people try to try their luck by betting on the victory of the Tiraspol Sheriff in the match against the Inter, and I see how bookmakers will make money on this, lol. I hope the same for Shakhtar, although he already won the Europa League in 2009, so Shakhtar needs to win the Champions League at least once in order to knock the arrogance off the titled clubs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people who will bet on Sheriff Tiraspol's victory will be sad after the result of the match. Because I think that Inter will most probably defeat them and get their first win also in their group matches. Because they lost to Real Madrid and drew with Shakhtar also. They will focus on winning against Sheriff Tiraspol two times in a row to pull themselves together and rise to the upper places.

Sheriff Tiraspol's hype is going to end in next few matches as now they have to face inter in away and home matches they are also looking for their first win of this season in Champions League. Bookmakers already have some good benefit from these upsets now time for better game and doing usual business.

Most chances they will be in Europa League as Shakhtar is currently at bottom of table, and they have very few chances to won 2 games its mean they could be eliminated from this group which is not good for them.

[Pulsar77]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

[watergold]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

You could say this is a strategy that has always been applied by Diego Simone, especially against teams that are on the same level as them.
it's boring when you see a game like this but on the other hand things like this are done to suppress and to make the team not be disadvantaged.
because apart from a beautiful game now football is a business and when one team loses then you know for yourself what the consequences will be.
then this is very suitable no matter how boring it is as important as they are not harmed, the system is probably like this now.

[jostorres]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

Currently, Liverpool is in very good form so most chances they will go with their own plan mean Atletico Madrid will be on with their own style and try to have pick one point from this bore game because they already watch Liverpool is going in very aggressive mood, and they will not give them any chance.

So, just going with their own plan will work for them if they will allow Liverpool then surely they will have result like Porto vs Liverpool because in this season they are playing again very aggressively which is very helpful for Liverpool and never suitable for Atletico Madrid. Good thing is Atletico Madrid still very hopeful for qualifying after having full 3 points from AC Milan in away game.

[Kusman]

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure. I'm sure that they won't be able to suppress Liverpool like they did to Porto. Because Porto are a much weaker team and we can understand this from the result of the Porto - Liverpool match which ended by 1-5. Liverpool are very good at attacking and scoring goals also. They have a great form and Atletico Madrid can have a hard time against them very much.

[Rengga Jati]

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

[AndySt]

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

[KingsDen]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

Currently, Liverpool is in very good form so most chances they will go with their own plan mean Atletico Madrid will be on with their own style and try to have pick one point from this bore game because they already watch Liverpool is going in very aggressive mood, and they will not give them any chance.

So, just going with their own plan will work for them if they will allow Liverpool then surely they will have result like Porto vs Liverpool because in this season they are playing again very aggressively which is very helpful for Liverpool and never suitable for Atletico Madrid. Good thing is Atletico Madrid still very hopeful for qualifying after having full 3 points from AC Milan in away game.

Simeone we know is a parallel version of Mourinho, who prefers 3draws with 3points to 1 win 3points especially when it comes to clubs of equal strength. I am assuring us that Liverpool will pressure them during first half and disorganise their plans. Though Liverpool might appear without Thiago and Alison, but tryst me, they will put much pressure since they know ATM will not be very much aggressive for goals.
It is worthy to note however that Liverpool's approach to EPL differs from their UCL. They put a better game in England than Europe.

[BuNga_cute]

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

After Atletico managed to beat Barcelona, which is one of the big teams in La Liga, this made the morale of Atletico's players to rise. So Atletico's
match against Liverpool in the Champions League will motivate Atletico's players to win. Especially now that in the Champions League group B,
Atletico are in second place, this makes Atletico want to take the top position from Liverpool. Because it would be better if Atletico beat Liverpool
to ensure their chances of qualifying for the next phase. But Liverpool are a strong team in the Premier League, especially after their main
players returned from injury, Liverpool are increasingly difficult to beat. Even Liverpool are unbeaten in 7 matches in the Premier League and
two matches in the Champions League. Atletico will not easily beat Liverpool, as a draw is the best for both teams.

[Maidak]

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

After Atletico managed to beat Barcelona, which is one of the big teams in La Liga, this made the morale of Atletico's players to rise. So Atletico's
match against Liverpool in the Champions League will motivate Atletico's players to win. Especially now that in the Champions League group B,
Atletico are in second place, this makes Atletico want to take the top position from Liverpool. Because it would be better if Atletico beat Liverpool
to ensure their chances of qualifying for the next phase. But Liverpool are a strong team in the Premier League, especially after their main
players returned from injury, Liverpool are increasingly difficult to beat. Even Liverpool are unbeaten in 7 matches in the Premier League and
two matches in the Champions League. Atletico will not easily beat Liverpool, as a draw is the best for both teams.

The morale of Atletico's players is definitely strong after the defeat of Barcelona. But the Barcelona team and the Liverpool team are not equally strong. Barcelona is now a team almost ruined. They are still fighting to get their rhythm back. Liverpool, on the other hand, are a team that has dominated the Premier League this season. We cannot compare these two teams now. However, Atletico Madrid's morale has been strengthened. Which will help them perform better against Liverpool. However, the match will not be easy. Liverpool is also very strong.

[KTChampions]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

I think this is the case when a defense-oriented team meets an attack-oriented team and the result is a nondescript draw. Against a strong opponent (which is undoubtedly Liverpool) Atletico will play in their usual sticky style, in fact, such matches are very difficult to watch especially if it is not a playoff round. I think at best we will have a draw 1-1, but most likely it will be 0-0.

[laurenB7742]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

I think this is the case when a defense-oriented team meets an attack-oriented team and the result is a nondescript draw. Against a strong opponent (which is undoubtedly Liverpool) Atletico will play in their usual sticky style, in fact, such matches are very difficult to watch especially if it is not a playoff round. I think at best we will have a draw 1-1, but most likely it will be 0-0.

I agree with both of you. Atletico will surely play a very defensive game and will try to score on the counterattack. So I'm guessing that Liverpool will have the most possession, all Liverpool has to make sure is that they don't concede on the counter-attack from Atletico as they also have a pretty deadly front three with Suarez, Griezmann, and Felix. But it will also be a tough match for Liverpool to score as Atletico is very well structured on defense.

[Emitdama]

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

I think this is the case when a defense-oriented team meets an attack-oriented team and the result is a nondescript draw. Against a strong opponent (which is undoubtedly Liverpool) Atletico will play in their usual sticky style, in fact, such matches are very difficult to watch especially if it is not a playoff round. I think at best we will have a draw 1-1, but most likely it will be 0-0.

I agree with both of you. Atletico will surely play a very defensive game and will try to score on the counterattack. So I'm guessing that Liverpool will have the most possession, all Liverpool has to make sure is that they don't concede on the counter-attack from Atletico as they also have a pretty deadly front three with Suarez, Griezmann, and Felix. But it will also be a tough match for Liverpool to score as Atletico is very well structured on defense.

We all know tactics from Atletico Madrid, but we also know Liverpool will go with full aggression and most chances they will put very serious pressure on them in first half and try to destroy them because it's their style and most chances they will be succeeded in this way. Liverpool is facing some injuries but good thing these are not serious as last year so still they able to do very good against them. Liverpool's both matches have some good number of goals, so let's see now how Atletico Madrid handle this all and try to have one point against them.

[Pulsar77]

And another interesting game is Ajax - Dormund the next time. Because both of these teams are very capable of scoring and they can make us watch a very delightful game. Ajax seem much more productive than Dortmund considering their group games so far. I expect Haaland to return from his injury until this game. Then, it will be even a more watchable game. I think that both of these teams should be able to score very easily. But I don't expect Ajax to be the losing team at the end. Maybe it can end in a draw.

[kassex]

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

After Atletico managed to beat Barcelona, which is one of the big teams in La Liga, this made the morale of Atletico's players to rise. So Atletico's
match against Liverpool in the Champions League will motivate Atletico's players to win. Especially now that in the Champions League group B,
Atletico are in second place, this makes Atletico want to take the top position from Liverpool. Because it would be better if Atletico beat Liverpool
to ensure their chances of qualifying for the next phase. But Liverpool are a strong team in the Premier League, especially after their main
players returned from injury, Liverpool are increasingly difficult to beat. Even Liverpool are unbeaten in 7 matches in the Premier League and
two matches in the Champions League. Atletico will not easily beat Liverpool, as a draw is the best for both teams.

Liverpool have not very happy statistics in the games against Atlético Madrid. In the last 5 matches they won only once. And they never won in Madrid. However, now Liverpool is showing a good game. There will be an equal game, there will be a draw. But I tend to win Liverpool.

[Rengga Jati]

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No doubt for Atletico Madrid. This team should have a better chance and factors to win in the next match with the big supports at home and also their increasing motivation and confidence after defeating Barcelona. I am pretty sure this team will show their best performance.
However, the team must make themselves under control and not overconfident, moreover not underestimating Liverpool. Because whatever, Liverpool is also a big team, so that it may be not easy to beat.

[fullhdpixel]

I think this is the case when a defense-oriented team meets an attack-oriented team and the result is a nondescript draw. Against a strong opponent (which is undoubtedly Liverpool) Atletico will play in their usual sticky style, in fact, such matches are very difficult to watch especially if it is not a playoff round. I think at best we will have a draw 1-1, but most likely it will be 0-0.

That is a boring game to watch for sure and definitely not entertaining, however it is obvious that they are going to get a result out of it, or that is how they have done so far. Which is why boring is not always bad if you ask me, park the bus brought Mourinho and inter/Chelsea UCL cup so I would not say that it would be a bad idea to do the same against Liverpool as well. Liverpool has amazing players, not just at the top with Salah and mane and Firminho which are great but they have great players in every single position.

So, it would be unfair to expect ATM to go out and attack neither, that would leave their defense weak and offense against a great defense. However if they defend well enough then Liverpool defense will move a little further down the pitch which leaves a great chance for counter-attacks to mean something and maybe got a goal out of it.

[KTChampions]

I think this is the case when a defense-oriented team meets an attack-oriented team and the result is a nondescript draw. Against a strong opponent (which is undoubtedly Liverpool) Atletico will play in their usual sticky style, in fact, such matches are very difficult to watch especially if it is not a playoff round. I think at best we will have a draw 1-1, but most likely it will be 0-0.

That is a boring game to watch for sure and definitely not entertaining, however it is obvious that they are going to get a result out of it, or that is how they have done so far. Which is why boring is not always bad if you ask me, park the bus brought Mourinho and inter/Chelsea UCL cup so I would not say that it would be a bad idea to do the same against Liverpool as well. Liverpool has amazing players, not just at the top with Salah and mane and Firminho which are great but they have great players in every single position.

So, it would be unfair to expect ATM to go out and attack neither, that would leave their defense weak and offense against a great defense. However if they defend well enough then Liverpool defense will move a little further down the pitch which leaves a great chance for counter-attacks to mean something and maybe got a goal out of it.

I would not remember Mourinho and his tactics against Barcelona, as this is a completely different case. The bus is a logical response to the tactics of tikitaki when the team has the ball but does not attack and makes a million senseless passes along the field, waiting for the opponent to get tired of running after the ball and start making mistakes. Atletico plays a different defensive system and the main disadvantage is that they are poorly rebuilt, as a result, this viscous struggle they get both against top clubs and against outsiders, although for example, this season, with such a pair of strikers, Atletico could play more attacking football.
Yes, and I have to agree with you about efficiency - Atlético regularly achieves results and this is the main thing.