⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[dustboy]

What Barcelona needs now, is a good striker like Messi. If not, they'll keep finding it difficult to win matches easily.
This is what happens when a whole team focus their hopes and energy on a particular player.
It's gonna take Barcelona big time to form a formidable players force like Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi

You are right, right now barcelona must be able to find players who can really replace messi in their attack line, even though barcelona have depay and aguero but they don't seem to have fully integrated into the barcelona game and even they haven't been able to show their best game to help barcelona win, other than Fati who is rumored to be the next messi, he is has not been able to play consistently so far, the dullness of the Barcelona striker was seen against Dynamo Kyiv, even though Barcelona controlled the game and were able to create 11 kicks but only 3 were shot on target and even the winning goal for Barcelona was created by Pique who was a a defender.

A good striker to replace Messi is a must but their financial condition will not make it come true. There is no good players with cheap price and salary, so they should be realistic with condition. They should maximize what they have at the moment, or they will be in a worst financial condition if they force themselves to spend too much money to find player to replace Messi.

[CryptoBuds]

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

[CLS63]

We have seen how much Manchester United are struggling one more time against Atalanta a few days ago. Before this game, first they drew with Everton home by 1-1 and lost to Leicester by an embarrassing result like 4-2 in the English Premier League. Ole Solskjaer was already being criticised a lot and after these results he was in a worse situation. He and the team needed a victory against Atalanta. But the game didn't start the way they would like. Atalanta ended the first half by 2-0 ahead already. Bells were ringing for Solskjaer even louder after seeing this. They needed a win in this game no matter what. And thankfully, we watched a much better Manchester United in the second half. It was like they were reborn. Atalanta tried to secure a win by the current score. But after Manchester United found the goal early, very tense minutes were waiting for Atalanta. Manchester United managed to score two more goals in the last 15 minutes and really succeeded in winning by 3-2 in this highly tough game.

[mv1986]

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

[KTChampions]

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

[Joca97]

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

Barcelona looks really weak in tommorows elclasico,i think real madrid has an amazing chance to win against Barcelona and put them a few places back. Reals attack is much better then Barcelonas currently and i dont trust Kooman at all as a barcelona coach

[Furious 7]

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I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

Barcelona looks really weak in tommorows elclasico,i think real madrid has an amazing chance to win against Barcelona and put them a few places back. Reals attack is much better then Barcelonas currently and i dont trust Kooman at all as a barcelona coach

If Koeman is able to prove that he won in El Clasico then he still has hope to be believed by many people including Real Madrid is a tough opponent for now because in difficult times for Barcelona who face more difficult opponents then I predict this will make it easier for Madrid to win.

However, Koemna must be able to believe in players who are mentally weak at this time and with any strategy or tactics can change players but this is a tough thing after El Clasico and has to challenge the UCL again.

[Daniel91]

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I personally remember Koeman as a player and back then I really loved watching him.
His goal in the final against Sampdoria in 1992 brought first European champions title for Barcelona.
Unfortunately, as a coach he is very stubborn and irritating and has very poor communication with the players.
Didn't he insist that Suarez had to leave Barcelona and that he don't need such a player, and forced Suarez to leave Barcelona for Atletico in tears practically for free?
It was the biggest mistake of his life because Suarez was a key player for Atetico in their quest for the Spanish title.
I think he should have been fired in Barcelona even then.

[judas]

Juventus have had a really huge form in the recent times. They got their third win in three games in the Champions League against Zenit by 1-0. Kulusevski scored in the last minutes and gathered three points for his team. And Juventus haven't lost in any of their last eight games and won seven of those games. It seems like Allegri started to manage the team just the way the supporters want.

[Luzin]

Juventus have had a really huge form in the recent times. They got their third win in three games in the Champions League against Zenit by 1-0. Kulusevski scored in the last minutes and gathered three points for his team. And Juventus haven't lost in any of their last eight games and won seven of those games. It seems like Allegri started to manage the team just the way the supporters want.

Dependence on Ronaldo slowly began to disappear, they have started to find a new game. The arrival of ronaldo seemed to spoil the rhythm of the typical Juventus game. In the last six matches they are unbeaten. Their defense also looks tidier, maybe this is also a factor of a better coach than Pirlo. Next month Juve will play against Zenit again at home, I think they need to get 3 points to lead Group H.

[W Jr.]

Shakhtar Donetsk is getting very bad results in the champions league this year. Losing 5-0 to Real Madrid in Ukraine was one of these bad results. They are last in the group and have only 1 point. If the Sheriff miracle continues, we may not even see Shakhtar Donetsk in the European league. Another team that fell short of expectations is Beşiktaş. They are last in their group. They hasn't scored yet. The Champions League continues this year with more excitement.

[coderben]

We could be witnessing a resurrection by Barcelona from now on. They have started getting good results lately. First, they won their La Liga match against Valencia and then they defeated Dynamo Kyiv by 1-0 by having a very big dominance in Camp Nou. Bayern Munich's results(s) they got and will get against Benfica can help Barcelona rise to the second place. Let's see what Barcelona will do against Dynamo away.

[Iranus]

We could be witnessing a resurrection by Barcelona from now on. They have started getting good results lately. First, they won their La Liga match against Valencia and then they defeated Dynamo Kyiv by 1-0 by having a very big dominance in Camp Nou. Bayern Munich's results(s) they got and will get against Benfica can help Barcelona rise to the second place. Let's see what Barcelona will do against Dynamo away.

Barcelona has found their form back after Aguero and Ansu Fati have returned to the pitch. This also gave a boost to their morale which is also an important factor. The win against Valencia was an important one. Also, the El Classico will also be the moment of truth for them. Hope they will do good in the next few matches.

[AakZaki]

After a tough win over Atalanta 2 weeks away they will meet in Italy at home Atalanta. Man United's performance in the first leg was very unconvincing. They even trailed by 2 goals first. Last game there was a slight error on Atalanta so they failed to bring home the points. Tomorrow they will play at home, Man United should be wary they might lose. Atalanta will excel playing at home, while Man United is unstable. What do you think? Can Man United still win? Even if you look at Man United's players, they excel on all fronts.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I personally remember Koeman as a player and back then I really loved watching him.
His goal in the final against Sampdoria in 1992 brought first European champions title for Barcelona.
Unfortunately, as a coach he is very stubborn and irritating and has very poor communication with the players.
Didn't he insist that Suarez had to leave Barcelona and that he don't need such a player, and forced Suarez to leave Barcelona for Atletico in tears practically for free?
It was the biggest mistake of his life because Suarez was a key player for Atetico in their quest for the Spanish title.
I think he should have been fired in Barcelona even then.

I didn't see how the player Koeman was but I for sure can say that as a coach he is very bad in my eyes. First of all, he sent Suarez off by saying that he's not capable to be in his team. The irony is that they lost against Atletico with Suarez's goal. The worst part is that he is very arrogant. You cannot be this much arrogant while managing a team like Barcelona.

[mv1986]

Barcelona has huge problems due to large financial debts, poor organization of the club, disturbed relations between players and management, incompetent management etc.
Messi's departure was logical and expected due to all these problems.
Barcelona needs a good striker? Maybe Suarez?  
In fact, Barcelona now urgently needs a lot of money to save itself from financial ruin and going into football mediocrity.
They can forget about some great football successes and trophies in the next few years.
It's obvious that Barcelona is not the favorite in the Champions League this year and they are still not sure that they will pass the group stage of this competition.

^ Barcelona is facing some real problems right now because they are in a really bad cycle. If they sell some players in the upcoming transfer window, they might not be able to stay in the top 4, so they won't be able to play champions league, so they will get less money. They can't buy anyone too. They can't even sack their manager because if they sack him, as per rules they have to pay the whole contract length. They can't afford that right now. So I think they just need to survive for 2-3 seasons then get some financial stability. Then Maybe they can buy some players.

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I personally remember Koeman as a player and back then I really loved watching him.
His goal in the final against Sampdoria in 1992 brought first European champions title for Barcelona.
Unfortunately, as a coach he is very stubborn and irritating and has very poor communication with the players.
Didn't he insist that Suarez had to leave Barcelona and that he don't need such a player, and forced Suarez to leave Barcelona for Atletico in tears practically for free?
It was the biggest mistake of his life because Suarez was a key player for Atetico in their quest for the Spanish title.
I think he should have been fired in Barcelona even then.

Very well said and keep in mind, Suarez was more than just a key player for the team, he was also an absolute key player for Messi! I am not referring to their friendship (which might also play a role, I don't know), but their harmony to play with each other on the pitch, to wish the teammate success, leave a penalty for the other guy, no how your teammate moves, and in the end, both are the ultimate strikers that can score from everywhere. Suarez, just think about the number of free kicks he won in favor of Barcelona close to the box. The two guys, there were so many synergies, Suarez should have stayed in Barcelona.

[ninkdwi]

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

your words are true and proved in the elclasico they lost to real madrid.
but at least their performance is starting to improve even though they did lose but their game has changed little by little and is not as bad as in UCL.

speaking of UCL their chances are still alive with a record that they must be able to get full points against Dynamo Kiev and the mistakes they made against Benfica they must be able to fix it.
Let's put aside Bayern which will not be able to be overtaken easily and Barcelona must be able to be in second place at least so that they can continue to the next round.

[KingsDen]

These are going to be very important weeks for Barcelona and especially for Koeman. I don't really like him as a manager and I think if he loses the Clasico now and then maybe has another fail in the next game in the Champions League, there are even tougher times ahead than is already the case. How would the club stick to Koeman without their fans freaking out? That's impossible.

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

your words are true and proved in the elclasico they lost to real madrid.
but at least their performance is starting to improve even though they did lose but their game has changed little by little and is not as bad as in UCL.

speaking of UCL their chances are still alive with a record that they must be able to get full points against Dynamo Kiev and the mistakes they made against Benfica they must be able to fix it.
Let's put aside Bayern which will not be able to be overtaken easily and Barcelona must be able to be in second place at least so that they can continue to the next round.

I was actually criticising Koeman before now, but I later understood that Barcelona's problem is not 100%.
I see Koeman as a soldier sent to a war front, given a gun of 12 rounds, then loaded just 5 bullets in it. You wouldn't know when to fire or not hence all the 5 bullets are critical and important.
Club with such a financial crisis needs time to heal. Yet, Barcelona is condending in league and yet we are expecting much in UCL.
Any result should be appreciated. But for Dynamo Kyiv, Barcelona needs 3points, it's not a choice but a necessity.

[Maidak]

Shakhtar Donetsk is getting very bad results in the champions league this year. Losing 5-0 to Real Madrid in Ukraine was one of these bad results. They are last in the group and have only 1 point. If the Sheriff miracle continues, we may not even see Shakhtar Donetsk in the European league. Another team that fell short of expectations is Beşiktaş. They are last in their group. They hasn't scored yet. The Champions League continues this year with more excitement.

Shakhtar is no longer the team they used to be 4 or 5 seasons back. Before they were considered one of the better teams in the CL. But now that's not the case. I don't think they will be able to qualify in the next round over Inter or Sheriff as Real Madrid is confirmed to qualify. Even Besiktas are also not having a good time on the pitch.

[ninkdwi]

I do not think that anyone will condemn Koeman for the defeat in the classic - Real looks much stronger than Barcelona, which is in a difficult situation through no fault of the coach. But if Barcelona lose their next Champions League game, then that could really be a reason for retirement. Dynamo Kiev is not a strong opponent at the moment and a defeat will cost Barcelona an entry to the playoffs.

your words are true and proved in the elclasico they lost to real madrid.
but at least their performance is starting to improve even though they did lose but their game has changed little by little and is not as bad as in UCL.

speaking of UCL their chances are still alive with a record that they must be able to get full points against Dynamo Kiev and the mistakes they made against Benfica they must be able to fix it.
Let's put aside Bayern which will not be able to be overtaken easily and Barcelona must be able to be in second place at least so that they can continue to the next round.

I was actually criticising Koeman before now, but I later understood that Barcelona's problem is not 100%.
I see Koeman as a soldier sent to a war front, given a gun of 12 rounds, then loaded just 5 bullets in it. You wouldn't know when to fire or not hence all the 5 bullets are critical and important.
Club with such a financial crisis needs time to heal. Yet, Barcelona is condending in league and yet we are expecting much in UCL.
Any result should be appreciated. But for Dynamo Kyiv, Barcelona needs 3points, it's not a choice but a necessity.

OK, maybe Koeman came at the wrong time because when Koeman came Barcelona were in a crippled condition and with internal chaos they kept going.
But indeed, when you look at the fans from Barcelona, in fact, they definitely don't want to see their favorite team lose and one of those who will definitely be affected by Barcelona's continuous defeats must be the coach who is to blame.
and indeed the consequences must be like that and this applies not only to Barcelona, but all teams.
any results need to be appreciated according to your words but still when they want to move to the next round full points must be taken immediately