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June 04, 2015, 07:46:23 PM
Last edit: June 04, 2015, 07:56:39 PM by Nemo1024
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U(kro)SA has reignited the war against Novorossia.

Ukrainian forces tell about renewed fighting near village Marinka:
http://www.interfax.ru/445810
Well, Zaharchenko did warn that if Ukraine violates Minsk-2, then there will be no Minsk-3, that the Rebel Alliance will then be fighting the Evil Empire till Emporoshenko is vanquished. Looks like this is what's happening now.

Meanwhile, UN will be conducting an emergency session regarding Ukraine tomorrow:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2021069

Ukraine has reached agreements for arms deliveries (including lethal) from 11 countries:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2020900?987897

Rada suggests starting a fuel/raw material blockade of Crimea and Donbass:
http://ria.ru/world/20150603/1067925072.html
Ha! Fuel comes to Ukraine _from_ Donbass. Smiley And Crimea has nothing to do with Ukraine after a short 23-year long occupation by this failed state.

CyberBerkut broke into e-mail account of Andrej Taran, coordinator of ceasefire, and uncovered numerous satellite images, showing how Kiev previously voilated the Minsk-2 agreement.
http://ria.ru/world/20150604/1068183295.html

And, Peskov reminds that Putin can use his legal powers to deploy armed forces abroad. Just a general statement:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2015/06/04/n_7260010.shtml?9665


On the 4th of June, Rada passed a law that allows deployment of peacekeeping forces on the territory of Ukraine. This law is strange at best. It is enough that EU makes a decision to deploy such troops, and not UN. UN would not pass such a resolution as Russia would veto it, as it does not want a further division and escalation of tention in Donbass as a result of presence of foreign armies. While EU would not deploy troops on their own, thus making EU a direct party in the conflict
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/04/klintsevich/

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June 04, 2015, 11:56:03 PM
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Nemo,

EU is not true political entity, it has no unified government, standing army or even police force. When you say "EU" in your posts, you merely mean american vassals in Europe  Wink mainly in Poland and United Kingdom.
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June 05, 2015, 12:41:45 AM
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Not sure if Kiev´s western owners have had time yet to ship enough armaments in to make any major campaign worthwhile. I´d bet on the autumn. By then they should be ready to lose something substantial to the eastern militia like a few dozen tanks and other stuff, at least enough to equip a couple of regiments.

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June 05, 2015, 12:44:49 AM
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Galdur,

that is small change you are talking about. "Long freeze" would then continue... while it might be advantageous to Russia currently, I would prefer much more for hard tried people of Ukraine (both west and east). They deserve more, than east-euro version of Vietnam.
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June 05, 2015, 12:57:32 AM
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Galdur,

that is small change you are talking about. "Long freeze" would then continue... while it might be advantageous to Russia currently, I would prefer much more for hard tried people of Ukraine (both west and east). They deserve more, than east-euro version of Vietnam.

Well, they have no military to speak of so it´s difficult for them to lose anything substantial to the militia. That´s why I think any major campaigns will be postponed for a while. The western mob needs more time to "train" these people (read:render them absolutely useless for any military operations) and give them enough material worth surrendering to the opposition.

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June 05, 2015, 02:43:51 AM
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Well, they have no military to speak of so it´s difficult for them to lose anything substantial to the militia. That´s why I think any major campaigns will be postponed for a while. The western mob needs more time to "train" these people (read:render them absolutely useless for any military operations) and give them enough material worth surrendering to the opposition.

Don't take them lightly. The Ukrainian army might be in a state of disarray and disintegration. But the neo-Nazi battalions (such as Azov, Right Sector, and Donbass) are still going strong, and expanding their base. Previously, many of these fascists were lacking combat experience. But that disadvantage no longer exists now.
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June 05, 2015, 02:54:09 AM
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So, the war on the millions of people of Novorossia continues.

DNR reports about artillery shelling of residential houses in Gorlovka. Artillery works from several directions:
http://ria.ru/world/20150602/1067666589.html

Why do you take RIA.RU pro-Kremlin propaganda ... OSCE is not enough partial Huh??

Or OSCE is not enough TRUE to be showed ?

Of course this is the "nazis" as you call them ... who is shelling again Huh? Stop the lie ...

And what about the kozacks from russia killed recently by DNR ... because they were stealing/killing civil people Huh Not a words of course ...

Always easy to post 1 side of truth...

Quote from: RussianLie
Between 22:30hrs on 2 June and 05:30hrs on 3 June, the SMM – positioned in the “Donetsk People’s Republic” (“DPR”)-controlled Tekstilshchik area of Donetsk city (14km east-north-east of Marinka) – made a number of observations. It observed, inter alia, eight tracked armoured vehicles moving west, four of which were main battle tanks (MBT) at 22:30hrs; four MBTs at 23:03hrs; a military-type truck moving west, towing a 122mm artillery piece at 23:45hrs; two T-64 MBTs moving west at 04:30hrs; and a column of one infantry fighting vehicle (BMP-2), three military trucks (one carrying an ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun), and two T-72 MBTs, moving west, at 04:50hrs. In addition, the SMM – at the same location – heard approximately 100 outgoing artillery rounds fired from a location 1-5km north-north-west of its position between 04:30 and 04:40hrs; an outgoing salvo of BM-21 multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) Grad rockets fired from a location 1-5km west of its position at 04:55hrs; and, 100 outgoing artillery rounds fired from a location 5km north-north-west of its position.

Between 04:30 and 05:00hrs, the SMM – positioned in Donetsk city-centre – heard several salvos of outgoing MLRS rockets and approximately 100 incoming heavy-artillery rounds.

Between 07:00 and 08:00hrs, the SMM – mobile in an area 6-9km east of Marinka – observed seven T-64 MBTs facing west. In addition, it heard, on two separate occasions, more than five salvos of outgoing MLRS (BM-21) rockets and heavy-mortar rounds; and 12 outgoing MLRS Grad rockets and mortars.

At approximately 06:00hrs, an SMM unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) observed intense shelling targeting an intersection of the H15 highway 3.5km south-west of Marinka. The UAV spotted four 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled howitzers 9km south-west of the town at 15:30hrs.

The SMM made several attempts between 10:45 and 12:11hrs to contact high-ranking “DPR” personnel – including the “DPR” “prime minister”, “parliamentary speaker”, “minister of defence” and “chief of the general staff” – in order to facilitate a cessation to the fighting around Marinka. Either they were unavailable or did not wish to speak to the SMM.

At 15:00hrs the SMM received a letter from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, saying Ukrainian Armed Forces heavy weapons would be placed on the contact line in order to deal with the “real threat” posed by the fighting in Marinka, which they said had started at 06:00hrs that morning. Ukrainian officials later publicly acknowledged that the weapons had been used, saying their use was necessary in thwarting a “DPR” attack.

The Representative of the Russian Federation Armed Forces to the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination told the SMM at 15:00hrs that a ceasefire around Marinka would take effect at 17:00hrs. He told the SMM at 21:00hrs that the situation around Marinka was currently calm. At around 19:00hrs a representative of the Anti-Terrorist Operation command in Kramatorsk and the “DPR” “ministry of defence” confirmed to the SMM that Marinka was under government control.

The SMM will follow up on reports of civilian and military casualties in Marinka.
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June 05, 2015, 02:58:00 AM
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Well, they have no military to speak of so it´s difficult for them to lose anything substantial to the militia. That´s why I think any major campaigns will be postponed for a while. The western mob needs more time to "train" these people (read:render them absolutely useless for any military operations) and give them enough material worth surrendering to the opposition.

Don't take them lightly. The Ukrainian army might be in a state of disarray and disintegration. But the neo-Nazi battalions (such as Azov, Right Sector, and Donbass) are still going strong, and expanding their base. Previously, many of these fascists were lacking combat experience. But that disadvantage no longer exists now.

I don´t know; read somewhere that those U.S. trainers had been teaching national guard troops how to operate AK-47´s and RPG´s. Maybe those nazis are farther along on the learning curve but I doubt it.

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June 05, 2015, 03:02:45 AM
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The Kiev junta is trying to capture the town of Marinka, with the help of heavy artillery launchers. The fighting is entirely between the neo-Nazi battalions and the Novorussian Army, with the Ukraine Army nowhere in the picture. Meanwhile, the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is busy organizing his soldiers to participate in the Kiev gay pride parade.  Grin

http://lifenews.ru/news/155112
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June 05, 2015, 03:16:30 AM
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I guess most usable Ukrainian soldiers would just love to join the Russian army. Maybe they already have. Wasn´t there an exodus to the east last year?  Grin

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June 05, 2015, 03:55:29 AM
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I guess most usable Ukrainian soldiers would just love to join the Russian army. Maybe they already have. Wasn´t there an exodus to the east last year?  Grin

When Crimea rejoined Russia, only around 10% of the Ukrainian navy personnel stationed there agreed to continue serving in the Ukrainian armed forces. Most of the remaining simply defected to Russia, including large number of personnel from the Western oblasts such as Volyn and Rivne. If another flare up happens, then the personnel in the army and air force will also defect to Russia.
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June 05, 2015, 04:12:22 AM
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Those crafty Russian foxes are always suspicious to me.

I bet they had a good hand in castrating the Ukraine military after the fall of the Soviet Union. Remember that the close military ties and cooperation continued. Never underestimate those wankers. They are master strategists.

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June 05, 2015, 07:01:19 AM
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YAAAAAWWWWWWNNNN

The Russians are coming and coming....

Reuters :

March 13 2014 Russia Masses Troops Near Ukraine
April 10 2014 NATO Chief: 40,000 Russian Troops Amassed Near Ukraine's Border
April 13 2014 Well-equipped Russian troops amass near Ukraine border -Britain
May 28 2014 Russia May Have 40,000 Troops Near Ukraine's Border: US sources
July 14 2014 NATO estimates Russia has 10,000-12,000 troops near Ukraine border
July 25 2014 More than 15,000 Russian troops along Ukraine border -U.S. envoy
July 30 2014 Russia increasing troops, moving towards Ukraine border
August 6 2014 NATO says Russia could be poised to invade Ukraine
August 11 2014 Ukraine says Russia has massed 45,000 troops on joint border
November 4 2014 Russian troops moving closer to Ukraine border: NATO chief
November 7 2014 NATO sees increase in Russian troops along Ukraine border
March 28 2015 Russia May Have 40,000 Troops Near Ukraine's Border: US sources
May 27 2015 Exclusive: Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine - witness

YAAAAAWWWWWWNNNN

Who knows, like the Yeti or Bigfoot, we may end up actually seeing them some day.....


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June 05, 2015, 09:43:36 AM
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Nemo,

EU is not true political entity, it has no unified government, standing army or even police force. When you say "EU" in your posts, you merely mean american vassals in Europe  Wink mainly in Poland and United Kingdom.

That is absolutely correct. "EU" is synonymous to "the vassal states of the US in Europe". And I'd add the Baltic states and Bulgaria into that list.

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June 05, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
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I am rather ashamed, but only countries, that seem to have independent course from White house in EU seem to be bankrupt Greece and authoritarian Hungary. Former powerhouses like France or Germany behave like retired whores.
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June 05, 2015, 09:56:38 AM
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That is absolutely correct. "EU" is synonymous to "the vassal states of the US in Europe". And I'd add the Baltic states and Bulgaria into that list.

Bulgaria has not yet surrendered its freedom to the United States. But the current President and his party is dragging the nation towards it. Bulgaria is having a huge Turkish minority, accounting for around 15% of the population. These people are being used by the US as fifth column, just like the ethnic Albanians in Macedonia.
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June 05, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
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Preparing for War? 11 Countries to Supply Lethal Weapons to Ukraine
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150605/1022971897.html
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June 05, 2015, 11:06:39 AM
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The Kiev junta is trying to capture the town of Marinka, with the help of heavy artillery launchers. The fighting is entirely between the neo-Nazi battalions and the Novorussian Army, with the Ukraine Army nowhere in the picture. Meanwhile, the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is busy organizing his soldiers to participate in the Kiev gay pride parade.  Grin

http://lifenews.ru/news/155112

Bryant, you mis-translated this news item. The General Staff are planning to conscript gays and whisk them into the army right from the gay parade. They say that this is completely within the framework of the law, as it does not specify, where conscription notices are to be handed out.

EDIT:
USA will be together with Ukraine during the gay parade in Kiev.
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2015/06/05/n_7262610.shtml
Two thoughts come to mind:
1. Two gays have just come out of the closet...
2. There is a strong smell of cookies and sniper bullets in the air.

By the way, the gays can easily avoid conscription by saying that they are "girls" with penises.

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June 05, 2015, 06:00:35 PM
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US rep in UN stated that Russia participated in the attack on Marjinka. So more "psakiing" from USA. Apparently Russian army together with the resistance snuk into the ukrainian-controlled territory and attacked Marjinka from the West. Samantha Power also said that 5 ukro-soldiers were killed during the attack.
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2015/06/05/n_7263002.shtml

During yesterday's artillery barrage against Marjinka, 21 residential houses were destroyed. 5 civilians and 14 soldiers of the Donetsk Republican Army were killed.
http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1930458.html

Anyway, the army of DNR managed to beat back the ukro-nazi assault on Marjinka. Zaharchenko reports about 400 ukro-soldiers were killed and about 1000 wounded:
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/06/05/dead/


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June 05, 2015, 08:29:07 PM
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Let me see how this map manifests here. It´s from Kiev.



Too small, at least for this 12 inch display here.

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