Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[daiyuba1971]

247crypto this is a Russian Troll. Their in Holguin the whole Department. The entire Internet is spammed by them! Don't believe them. In Ukraine, fighting Russian mercenaries and army unmarked. Even when they are caught, they do not recognize. Remember the disaster of MH-17.

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[birareru1988]

247crypto, could you please add a small summary at those links. I don't speak russian, but i do find the links intresting enough to know what is going on.

And there you have the truth and not see. There is a project STOP FAKE. See how the Russians are lying. Most likely 247crypto one of the Russian trolls. They are trying to deceive the whole world.

[bryant.coleman]

I thought that posting with multiple accounts is against the rules here. See these alt-accounts. All of them have the same sig campaign, makes the same grammer mistakes, and even the style of verbal abuse is the same.

I have seen alt accounts in this forum, but this is the first time I am seeing the same person posting 10 times in a row with 10 different accounts.

In Ukaine no penalize the Russian people. The conflict arose because of the banal resource sharing. And under the guise of protecting citizens troops to Ukraine were introduced. Media artificially support this war. Portray the attack, incite ethnic conflict. And in war government launders money in their pockets

Donetsk Kharkiv and Luhansk - a city of Ukraine. Nobody officially it did not change. There was agreement on the transfer of these cities and regions of Russia

Another Russian Troll! Don't bother, you won't believe! Those who are interested in this subject, knows that in this situation Russia is to blame. You heard the report on the downed Boeing?

You Russian Troll! Can convey to Putin that he is a huylo!!!! La, La, La, La, La!!!!! And your manipulation will not work here.

Putin huylo la la la la la !!! How is it in Holguin? Pay well? You little Russian and Ukrainian forums?

Do not wait! Ukraine is a unified country and Crimea is Ukraine too! Soon Russia will fall apart, but no shots I think can not do, so see where to go from Holguin.

This topic was created in Russian trolls. Don't believe them. In Ukraine, fighting Russian mercenaries. And Putin is an international terrorist. Russia is the axis of evil !

247crypto this is a Russian Troll. Their in Holguin the whole Department. The entire Internet is spammed by them! Don't believe them. In Ukraine, fighting Russian mercenaries and army unmarked. Even when they are caught, they do not recognize. Remember the disaster of MH-17.

And there you have the truth and not see. There is a project STOP FAKE. See how the Russians are lying. Most likely 247crypto one of the Russian trolls. They are trying to deceive the whole world.

[dimonchik13]

To know the truth about the Ukraine does not look like 247crypto. This is a Russian Troll. Let's see what they said when he hit his missile MH-17, and view today's report of the independent Commission. Russia is the homeland of global terrorism.

[Sanekavg13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7qcHsUbFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6qRtkngWpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxohhfCW9l8

You've posted dozens of links in multiple threads, all the same shit. It's starting to become spam mate...

This spam is. In Russia there is a service bus that sends all that spam on forums all over the world. Putin copies Hitler's actions. Not for nothing the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies. Until greed they are forced to fight each other.

[virtualx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7qcHsUbFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6qRtkngWpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxohhfCW9l8

You've posted dozens of links in multiple threads, all the same shit. It's starting to become spam mate...

This spam is. In Russia there is a service bus that sends all that spam on forums all over the world. Putin copies Hitler's actions. Not for nothing the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies. Until greed they are forced to fight each other.

They weren't allies, they had shared interest for a brief amount of time. Nazi Germany always wanted to get rid of the communists, that's why guys like Henry Ford supported them.

[Nemo1024]

The situation is escalating again, as Ukro-Nazis gain power (also political) in Kiev and a new armed coup is imminent - Poroshenko being slated for displacement by the Nazi forces, which were, incidentally, also behind the 2014 coup. One can say that November-December will be when they will attempt to complete the power take-over, which they started in 2014. Attacks on the republics is the only way for Prososhenko to show some semblance of "control".

Ukrainian military open fire on Donetsk Republic
http://tass.com/world/913462

Units of the Ukrainian military over the past 24 hours, 1,510 times opened fire on the DPR, one militia was injured, representative of the defense authority Eduard Basurin said on Saturday

Ukrainian military shell militia positions in Lugansk Republic
http://tass.com/world/913448

Units of the Ukrainian military over the past 24 hours six times opened fire on militia positions in the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic, the republic’s defense authority said on Saturday

FSB Foils Terrorist Plots in Moscow, St.Petersburg, Crimea, Donetsk; CIA Runs from Kiev
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/11/19/fsb-foils-terrorist-plots-in-moscow-st-peterburg-crimea-donetsk-cia-runs-from-kiev/

Much like the Mosul offensive in Iraq was supposed to be victoriously accomplished in time for US Presidential Elections on November 8, 2016, to give Hillary a boost, various terrorist plots in Russia and Donetsk were also planned to be completed by then for the same purpose. Plus, of course the big one: punish Russia.

We know that Mosul push went nowhere. No ‘Mission accomplished’ in Iraq.

Now let’s see what came out of multiple terrorist attempts in Russia.

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And the result is, as I predicted in 2014! US is sick and tired of the whiny and inept Kiev and Poroshenko, while Kiev and Ukrainians are mad at US and EU for betrayal. As I was predicting since the VERY BEGINNING of the Ukraine saga: EU and US don’t know how to drop Ukraine as a hot potato, or squeezed out lemon they have no use for. When Trump takes office, my prediction will be complete: US will drop Ukraine.

You all recall one of my big 2014 predictions: Ukraine will begin turning away from the West and back towards Russia in 2016-18. By the end of 2018, this process will be complete.

And in this regard, also recall what I said in 2014: it’ll be all of Ukraine, not bits and pieces, as many suggested. No one seemed to hear me at the time, as everyone was bent on dividing Ukraine. Nope, it’ll be ALL of Ukraine. Possibly minus a few tiny pieces in the West, but even that is unlikely. This is my prediction since 2014 and it remains so. If my track record is any indication, you will see this prediction come true, as so many others have.

Having been denied the real war in Crimea, Kiev junta had no choice but to go to plan B: subversive terror attacks. But, as many may know, Russian FSB and Intelligence are, shall we say, in the world’s top 2, if not 1. As Ukraine subversives activated, they began being apprehended.

Full video of one of the latest subversive’s arrests in Crimea, released by FSB:

Donetsk and Lugansk

Similar situation developed in Donetsk, capital of DNR (Eng: DPR). In the past 2-3 weeks MGB of DNR arrested at least 2 separate ukro-nazi and Ukraine subversive groups on its territory. MGB means Ministry of State Security. These groups were prepared to begin acts of terror and sabotage, similar to Crimea. Also detained were the suspected assassins of the legendary Donetsk commander Motorola, with the telling name «Misanthropic Division». Video in Russian about ukro-nazi «Misanthropic Division» and who they are: Ктo тaкиe «Misanthropic Division»? O пpeдпoлaгaeмыx yбийцax Moтopoлы.

This is the video of the arrest of six alleged Motorola assassins from «Misanthropic Division», who bragged about it online:

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The latest: also LNR (Lugansk) announced that they uncovered a plot to blow up Schastie power plant. The canal feeding water to power plant was mined by Ukraine subversives. VIDEO announcement.

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And the good (mixed with some worrying) news:

FOCUS UKRAINE

CIA evacuating from Kiev to Romania

I was asked whether it was true that CIA operatives were evacuating from Kiev. Yes, it’s true. In 2014 CIA took over the upper 4th floor of the SBU building in Kiev, where Ukrainians were banned from entering. American flag flew over that Ukrainian government building. After Trump election and arrests of subversives in Russia, CIA operatives have hastily evacuated all their papers and moved to Romania. Only CIA analysts (read surveillance, spies-monitors) remain in Kiev.

I can tell you more. This reminds me of one of the most shameful pages in human history: WWII. Anticipating the end, in 1944 Hitler Nazis were hastily burning and evacuating their papers and leaving behind sleeper cells to attack Russia later from within. Some of these cells were the Bandera ukro-nazis trained and left behind in Ukraine. It is the heirs of these Bandera followers who spread fascism all over Ukraine and executed the 2014 coup.

Fast-forward to the end of 2016. History repeats! Anticipating the beginning of the end, both CIA and Kiev junta are now busy embedding long-term sleeper cells all over Ukraine.

There is more insightful intel in that article!

The above is actually a good answer to Sanekavg13 an his insinuations and attempts to rewrite history.

This spam is. In Russia there is a service bus that sends all that spam on forums all over the world. Putin copies Hitler's actions. Not for nothing the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies. Until greed they are forced to fight each other.

They weren't allies, they had shared interest for a brief amount of time. Nazi Germany always wanted to get rid of the communists, that's why guys like Henry Ford supported them.

Quite. The USSR-German non-aggression pact was a tactical move for USSR to buy time and not have to fight a war on two fronts - USSR was at that time beating the ideas of invasion out of the Japanese' heads in Mongolia and could ill-afford to start a war with Germany.
Those spreading such insinuation would do well to remember who created and financed Hitler - Grandpa Bush, the grandfather of the US presidential Bush clan comes to mind, as well as how the US hastily evac'ed all the Nazis that they could salvage to US and Canada (a lot of the German Nazi intelligence officers became the backbone of the CIA). Does remind one of how USA is hastily redefining ISIS into "moderate terrorists"

[bryant.coleman]

This spam is. In Russia there is a service bus that sends all that spam on forums all over the world. Putin copies Hitler's actions. Not for nothing the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies. Until greed they are forced to fight each other.

OK... I get it. If someone doesn't agree with you, then he automatically becomes a spammer. Typical leftist-liberal logic. LOL... Putin will be very desperate if he needs to flood bitcointalk with pro-Russian agenda, when he already have popular channels such as Russia Today and Sputnik News.

And for clarification, the USSR and Germany were not allies. They had a mutual Nonaggression Pact, which was not honored by the latter.

[Balthazar]

I thought that posting with multiple accounts is against the rules here. See these alt-accounts. All of them have the same sig campaign, makes the same grammer mistakes, and even the style of verbal abuse is the same.

I have seen alt accounts in this forum, but this is the first time I am seeing the same person posting 10 times in a row with 10 different accounts.

In Ukaine no penalize the Russian people. The conflict arose because of the banal resource sharing. And under the guise of protecting citizens troops to Ukraine were introduced. Media artificially support this war. Portray the attack, incite ethnic conflict. And in war government launders money in their pockets

Donetsk Kharkiv and Luhansk - a city of Ukraine. Nobody officially it did not change. There was agreement on the transfer of these cities and regions of Russia

Another Russian Troll! Don't bother, you won't believe! Those who are interested in this subject, knows that in this situation Russia is to blame. You heard the report on the downed Boeing?

You Russian Troll! Can convey to Putin that he is a huylo!!!! La, La, La, La, La!!!!! And your manipulation will not work here.

Putin huylo la la la la la !!! How is it in Holguin? Pay well? You little Russian and Ukrainian forums?

Do not wait! Ukraine is a unified country and Crimea is Ukraine too! Soon Russia will fall apart, but no shots I think can not do, so see where to go from Holguin.

This topic was created in Russian trolls. Don't believe them. In Ukraine, fighting Russian mercenaries. And Putin is an international terrorist. Russia is the axis of evil !

247crypto this is a Russian Troll. Their in Holguin the whole Department. The entire Internet is spammed by them! Don't believe them. In Ukraine, fighting Russian mercenaries and army unmarked. Even when they are caught, they do not recognize. Remember the disaster of MH-17.

And there you have the truth and not see. There is a project STOP FAKE. See how the Russians are lying. Most likely 247crypto one of the Russian trolls. They are trying to deceive the whole world.

Looks like ukrainian Ministry of Truth has no money to keep its staff from leaving their positions. That's why they were forced to replace them with these cheap sluts, which are ready to do anything for 0.0025 btc.

[Nemo1024]

I must admit that for the last month or so I did not keep up as closely with the situation in Donbass, as I was doing since the coup d'etat in Ukraine in February 2014.



It was only now that I learnt that Arsen Pavlov "Motorola", the Brigade Commander of "Sparta", was murdered in Donetsk by a Ukrainian subversive terrorist group from Ukrainian SBU on the 16th of October. He will be remembered as Che Gevara of Donbass...
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2811147&tid=110014
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2812128&tid=110014

The composition of the bombs used to kill Motorola, was the same as the ones used in an assassination attempt on Zaharchenko, according the The Donetsk Republican Ministry of Internal Affairs:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2811260&tid=110014

Notable, two days after Motorola's murder an echo came from Crimea. Crimean State Council passed a resolution declaring Ukraine to be a terrorism threat:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2811852&tid=110014

8 days ago the perpetrators of the assassination on Motorola we apprehended by the Donetsk State Security forces.
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2820926&tid=110014

[Nemo1024]

Repost from:

News From The Breakaway Republics
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/29/news-from-the-breakaway-republics/

This has come to me from the independent Donbass region. The Western media provides nothing but disinformation about this area of the world as part of the ongoing demonization of Russia.

I am surprised that Russian intelligence did not discover in advance the Obama regime’s coup against the Ukrainian government. I continue to believe that the Russian government made a mistake refusing the breakaway republics requests to be re-incorporated into Russia like Crimea, but I understand that Putin was counting on his refusal to calm the fear of a “revanchist Russia” that Washington was infusing into Europeans. Putin’s strategy made sense, but it failed because Europe hasn’t the capability of foreign policy independence. Western Europe did not lose its independence to Nazi Germany. Europe lost its independence to Washington. It was the US that defeated Europe and reduced Europe to vassal states of Washington’s empire.

The links provided by Chopov below will give you English language reports from that part of the world where Washington, enabled by the EU, continues to provoke violence against Russian people.

My name is Alexander Chopov and I am the founder of the Donbass Truth Channel. Our goal is to give the people of Donbass, Crimea and South-East Ukraine a voice in English. We don’t just report the news, or show video reels of suffering. We put these things in context, for Western viewers to understand not only WHAT is happening, but WHY it is happening. For example, in our very first video we explain that when hundreds of thousands of people came out to protest the Maidan coup in the Spring of 2014 they weren’t “pro-Russian” or “pro-Putin” – they were first and foremost PRO-DEMOCRACY demanding the federalization of the country, and the right to elect local governments. But that truth would have made it very hard for Western media to demonize them – after all that would mean that they share the same democratic and freedom-loving values as the people in the West. We currently have 15 videos and are working on new ones. They are from Donbass, Crimea and Moscow. Our latest uploaded video is about the JIT report on the MH-17. We traveled to the crash site, and take an in-depth look at the report and all the glaring holes in it. Here is a link to our video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0STzxJ_Jw4 We also have lighter videos, like this one, where we, with hard-hitting facts, but light-heartedly, make fun of the demonization of Russia in Western media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezp5X2CWH7s We are all volunteers and are doing this, because we believe that only when the people in the West realize that their governments are supporting people indiscriminately bombing civilian cities and killing kids, can this horrific war come to an end. But since, unlike what Western media has people believe, Putin doesn’t give us suitcases of money, we have no means to advertise our work. Thus, only a few people see and learn the Truth. So, I would like to ask you, and your organization to help share our work with your readers, followers and subscribers, so that together we can get people to learn the truth, and help bring the end to the suffering of not only the people of Donbass, but of drafted Ukrainian soldiers, who are sent to die and kill their fellow citizens under false pretexts, as well as ease the tensions and warmongering towards Russia by some Western elites! Sincerely, Alexander Chopov alexchopov@gmail.com +79150555058 https://www.facebook.com/DonbassTruth/?fref=ts

[kodoll]

Repost from:

News From The Breakaway Republics
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/29/news-from-the-breakaway-republics/

This has come to me from the independent Donbass region. The Western media provides nothing but disinformation about this area of the world as part of the ongoing demonization of Russia.

I am surprised that Russian intelligence did not discover in advance the Obama regime’s coup against the Ukrainian government. I continue to believe that the Russian government made a mistake refusing the breakaway republics requests to be re-incorporated into Russia like Crimea, but I understand that Putin was counting on his refusal to calm the fear of a “revanchist Russia” that Washington was infusing into Europeans. Putin’s strategy made sense, but it failed because Europe hasn’t the capability of foreign policy independence. Western Europe did not lose its independence to Nazi Germany. Europe lost its independence to Washington. It was the US that defeated Europe and reduced Europe to vassal states of Washington’s empire.

The links provided by Chopov below will give you English language reports from that part of the world where Washington, enabled by the EU, continues to provoke violence against Russian people.

My name is Alexander Chopov and I am the founder of the Donbass Truth Channel. Our goal is to give the people of Donbass, Crimea and South-East Ukraine a voice in English. We don’t just report the news, or show video reels of suffering. We put these things in context, for Western viewers to understand not only WHAT is happening, but WHY it is happening. For example, in our very first video we explain that when hundreds of thousands of people came out to protest the Maidan coup in the Spring of 2014 they weren’t “pro-Russian” or “pro-Putin” – they were first and foremost PRO-DEMOCRACY demanding the federalization of the country, and the right to elect local governments. But that truth would have made it very hard for Western media to demonize them – after all that would mean that they share the same democratic and freedom-loving values as the people in the West. We currently have 15 videos and are working on new ones. They are from Donbass, Crimea and Moscow. Our latest uploaded video is about the JIT report on the MH-17. We traveled to the crash site, and take an in-depth look at the report and all the glaring holes in it. Here is a link to our video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0STzxJ_Jw4 We also have lighter videos, like this one, where we, with hard-hitting facts, but light-heartedly, make fun of the demonization of Russia in Western media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezp5X2CWH7s We are all volunteers and are doing this, because we believe that only when the people in the West realize that their governments are supporting people indiscriminately bombing civilian cities and killing kids, can this horrific war come to an end. But since, unlike what Western media has people believe, Putin doesn’t give us suitcases of money, we have no means to advertise our work. Thus, only a few people see and learn the Truth. So, I would like to ask you, and your organization to help share our work with your readers, followers and subscribers, so that together we can get people to learn the truth, and help bring the end to the suffering of not only the people of Donbass, but of drafted Ukrainian soldiers, who are sent to die and kill their fellow citizens under false pretexts, as well as ease the tensions and warmongering towards Russia by some Western elites! Sincerely, Alexander Chopov alexchopov@gmail.com +79150555058 https://www.facebook.com/DonbassTruth/?fref=ts

Russian trolls do not have a brain! Writes the "truth" about Ukraine and Russian contacts phone number. Can not to strain! Anyone lying "Pravda" Russian is not needed.

[TicTacTic]

I must admit that for the last month or so I did not keep up as closely with the situation in Donbass, as I was doing since the coup d'etat in Ukraine in February 2014.



It was only now that I learnt that Arsen Pavlov "Motorola", the Brigade Commander of "Sparta", was murdered in Donetsk by a Ukrainian subversive terrorist group from Ukrainian SBU on the 16th of October. He will be remembered as Che Gevara of Donbass...
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2811147&tid=110014
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2812128&tid=110014

The composition of the bombs used to kill Motorola, was the same as the ones used in an assassination attempt on Zaharchenko, according the The Donetsk Republican Ministry of Internal Affairs:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2811260&tid=110014

Notable, two days after Motorola's murder an echo came from Crimea. Crimean State Council passed a resolution declaring Ukraine to be a terrorism threat:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2811852&tid=110014

8 days ago the perpetrators of the assassination on Motorola we apprehended by the Donetsk State Security forces.
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2820926&tid=110014

If I didn't know that these photos were taken in the Donbas I would have thought that the photo was taken in Russia. This once again underscores where orchestrated all this action. Russian special services have no the necessary qualifications to properly organize a provocation.

[Nemo1024]

I have a feeling that the last-ditch attempt of Ukro-tolling has been activated 

That usually happens before things take a turn for the worse. Anyone remembers Pagan? He was like a barometer: his activity increased shortly before an increase in the shelling of Donbass throughout 2014.

The latest intel from Ukraine suggests that Poroshenko is on the verge of being violently and terminally dislodged by the now-well-organised Ukrao-Nazi formations, especially the wing headed by Beletskij. The repeat of the free-for-all bandit wars of 1917-1918 is expected to start in a few months.

You know, you two, if you want to counter or bring across your points, at least try to write something that is coherent and that actually makes some sense.

[btvlGainer]

I have a feeling that the last-ditch attempt of Ukro-tolling has been activated 

That usually happens before things take a turn for the worse. Anyone remembers Pagan? He was like a barometer: his activity increased shortly before an increase in the shelling of Donbass throughout 2014.

The latest intel from Ukraine suggests that Poroshenko is on the verge of being violently and terminally dislodged by the now-well-organised Ukrao-Nazi formations, especially the wing headed by Beletskij. The repeat of the free-for-all bandit wars of 1917-1918 is expected to start in a few months.

You know, you two, if you want to counter or bring across your points, at least try to write something that is coherent and that actually makes some sense.

As if there was not, but "Azov" fighting against the external enemy. They are protecting Ukraine from Russian invaders. And what does the territory of Russia Kadyrov You forgot that he cut the throat of Russian soldiers?

[varyspro]

I have a feeling that the last-ditch attempt of Ukro-tolling has been activated 

That usually happens before things take a turn for the worse. Anyone remembers Pagan? He was like a barometer: his activity increased shortly before an increase in the shelling of Donbass throughout 2014.

The latest intel from Ukraine suggests that Poroshenko is on the verge of being violently and terminally dislodged by the now-well-organised Ukrao-Nazi formations, especially the wing headed by Beletskij. The repeat of the free-for-all bandit wars of 1917-1918 is expected to start in a few months.

You know, you two, if you want to counter or bring across your points, at least try to write something that is coherent and that actually makes some sense.

The regime which now rules in Russia more than fits the definition of fascism than the regime in Ukraine. If you want to argue, I can prove it. But I think that you like all the Russians say nothing at all.

[Prohodimec]

Russia is a very false and hypocritical country. Moreover, the ruling regime in Russia always keeps on promoting. Russian think that they have the best of everything, but it's not. Russia never wins wars, which were conducted by myself. The victory was only thanks to the allies.

[sergeyzol]

Will never they had in Russia. I think the example of Donbass, the Ukrainians and all the camps of the former USSR got a good vaccine against Russia.Stop deceiving people.

[criptix]

This spam is. In Russia there is a service bus that sends all that spam on forums all over the world. Putin copies Hitler's actions. Not for nothing the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies. Until greed they are forced to fight each other.

OK... I get it. If someone doesn't agree with you, then he automatically becomes a spammer. Typical leftist-liberal logic. LOL... Putin will be very desperate if he needs to flood bitcointalk with pro-Russian agenda, when he already have popular channels such as Russia Today and Sputnik News.

And for clarification, the USSR and Germany were not allies. They had a mutual Nonaggression Pact, which was not honored by the latter.

https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

They even have a wikipage now lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades


Btw. The guy you quoted was kinda right with what he said.

About crimea:

Still no end of sanctions in sight and russias emergency fund is close to zero.

[Nemo1024]

As if there was not, but "Azov" fighting against the external enemy. They are protecting Ukraine from Russian invaders. And what does the territory of Russia Kadyrov You forgot that he cut the throat of Russian soldiers?

Ooo... We have a troll (was was it piktsy?) infestation here.

Now, the following is for the benefit of other readers - as I said on many similar occasions before - these trolls are beyond any hope of redemption.

What kind of invisible and inept "Russian invaders" they are that they manage to mop-up Syrian terrorists, but totally fail to materialise in Donbass - so much so that Azov need to channel their own aggression though shelling of residential outskirts of Donetsk an Lugansk? You hoax of "Russian aggression" could have been swallowed by the gullible people without knowledge of the local situation in 2014. Now you resemble the boy who cried wolf - for over 2 years strait.

What Ramzan Kadyrov, whose father was killed by externally financed terrorists, and who later managed to unify Chechenia within Russia, has to do anything with this?

Russia has been trying (together with Germany and France) to force Poroshenko to take the path of peace through constitutional reforms and federalisation of the Ukrainian state. Poroshenko, on the other hand is interested in a slow-burning conflict as that gives him the excuse to channel the radical force's (who put him into power) aggression elsewhere so that they don't turn on him, and he retains his access to the dwindling state resource for personal gain. The radical forces - Azov being only one of those - are interested in an all-out war, as that will give them the opportunity to get to the only source of resources left in Ukraine - the presidential chair. Pososhenko has more and more difficulty in controlling the situation, as the recent provocations demonstrate. Expect Poroshenko to be gone (violently) in the coming 2-4 months, and possibly Yats again becoming the "human face to the West" of the new, more radical, regime.

Then, a bit of history:



I am more than sure that the trolls here can read the above, as they use Russian in their day-to-day communication. I will translate for the benefit of the reader:

Ukro-patriots. Learn this by heart. In 1922 Ukraine ascended into USSR without Harkov, without Herson, without Odessa and Donetsk, without Lugansk, and, of course, without Crimea. Ukraine even didn't have Lvov back then. All these lands Ukraine got while being a part of the "damned" USSR. For free.

Well, the year in the picture above is possibly off by 3 years, but the essence remains.

Here is the sequence of events from back then. This following is a quick translation by me of a reply in a discussion on a similar topic (sorry for the stylistics).

Everything is clear with the period of the Russian empire. No national republics existed before 1917. Further, after the revolution, on January 30, 1918 in Kharkov hotel "Metropol" there took place the 4th Regional Congress of Soviets of Workers' Deputies which initially proclaimed the creation DKR (Donetsk - Krivoy Rog Republic). But it was not enough to declare it creation, it is needed be reaffirmed, acknowledged, and not only orally, but de facto. After all, a war was going on, and there was chaos in the country. Nearby to the self-proclaimed DKR was just as equally self-proclaimed UPR (Ukrainian People's Republic) - a unit in the central part of the outskirts (Okraina - Ukraina) of the former Russian Empire, acting against the Soviet authorities.

And there lay the problem, because a few days before the official proclamation of the DKR, the UNR Central Council (with the center in Kiev) signed in Brest an anti-Russian treaty with Germany and Austria-Hungary, which allowed the entry of the Austro-German forces on its breakaway territory. Clearly they had no legal rights to do so, but in general they did 100 years ago exactly what they do now - lying down with pleasure and selling themselves to the West. At the same time, the UPR did not just ask the Germans for protection, but also gave away to the invaders of the West Polesie with the Belarusian people and Donbass itself, which the Ukrainian Parliament considered to be theirs, while the Petrograd and DKR itself considered themselves to be Soviet.

So, on one hand a unitarian Ukraine did not exist back then, but rather there were two conflicting with one another breakaway territories, and the other, at the beginning of March 1918 the Germans outright occupied Donbass, and without Russia, which later fought off the land from the enemy, they (Ukraine) would simply not come to pass. Let's continue.

Next, by the decision of Germany and Austria-Hungary, the wishing to be Soviet leadership of the not yet manifested Donetsk republic, was deposed and a commissioner was appointed - Hetman Skoropadsky. While the occupied -both UNR and DKR they called for Ukrainian State. Later, having renamed it to the Ukrainian People's Republic, they put in charge one of their own, the present "independence hero" Petliura, who under the auspices of the Germans, cut down all right, left and centre - both the partisans of Makhno, and the Reds, and the Whites, and the locals. After the defeat of Germany and its allies and the return of Donbass by the Soviet military into Russia, Stalin said: "There is no need and should be no separate Don-Kriv-Bass", and with that he annexed this territory to the formed at that time united Ukrainian SSR. But they (Donbass) initially did not want it! What does this mean? The fact that even the earliest Donbass, at the end of accession in 1922 was also presented the UkSSR (Ukraine) for free. Presented by Russia. Of which the image above speaks. Before the USSR, Ukraine did not have those territories. Just like Ukraine itself did not exist. A couple of months under the German occupation does not count.

Perhaps you are right in that it made sense to supplement the information in the picture that, Donbass was given to Ukraine by Russia in 1919, not in 1922, and I admit it, but this does not change the essence at hand.

Next, on March 10, 1919 3rd Congress of Soviets of the UkSSR took place in Kharkov, which declared the establishment of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR) as an independent state, the draft Constitution of the UkSSR was adopted. The congress approved the policy of the Ukrainian government on the comprehensive strengthening of relations with Soviet Russia. Thus, Ukraine acceded to the wishes of the other independent republics of the Soviets on the establishment of a union with them. And declared desire to become part of Russia. In their desires, they indicated that they consider their own administrative boundaries wherever Ukrainians lived - in Kiev, Kherson, Podolia, Volyn, Kharkov, Poltava, Chernigov, Ekaterinoslav and Tauride areas. But it's all wishing on paper, signed against the backdrop of a civil war and while the Soviet Russian military advanced into Ukraine returning native Russian land. At that time, the civil war in Ukraine was rapidly taking turn to our advantage (in favour of the Reds), and October 11, 1919 Red Army began the decisive offensive against Denikin Red - or in fact, the third attempt to establish the Bolshevik rule on the territory of the former Russian Empire outskirts (okrainas). On December 12th, Soviet troops entered Kharkov, on December 16 - Kiev, on February 7, 1920 - Odessa. Eastern Ukraine is almost completely taken over by the Bolsheviks at the end of December 1919, the central and right-bank Ukraine - by the beginning of 1920.

And only then began the territorial disputes of the Ukrainian SSR and the South-East of Russia. When liberated by Soviet warriors Ukraine, habitually wanted more for themselves, their appetite increased and raised the question of creation of their own Don province, in order to include it in the part of the Donets Coal Basin, which was a part of the Don region of Russia, and at the same time - Taganrog. However, since this issue was discussed in closed circles and without the consent of the administration of the Don Region, on the 17th of January 1920, Donetsk Revolutionary Governorship (Gubrevkom) of the city of Lugansk ordered "until the economic territory of the Donetsk province and the proper distribution of the province areas is clarified, to TEMPORARILY approve ... 11 administrative districts that make up the Donetsk province as described by UkSSR" including there also the territory of the Shakhty district - White-Kalitvensky, Bokovo-Hrustal'nyj, Alexander-Grushevsky areas and individual settlements of the Taganrog district.

I stress, temporarily. As long as the civil war continues.

But be that as it may, in April 1920, at the suggestion of the CPC of Ukraine and Presidium Council decided to establish the Donetsk province (governorship) of Ukraine from the parts of Kharkov, Ekaterinoslav provinces and regions of the Don Cossacks. From Ekaterinoslav province of Russia, Ukraine entirely got Bahmutskiy, Lugansk and Mariupol counties, and from the area of ​​the Don Cossacks, again - Russian - all the Taganrog district, the villages of the district of Donetsk (Gundorovskaya, Kamensky, Kalitvenskaya, Ust-Belaya Kalitva). Lugansk became the centre of Donetsk province.

And this is another "gift" to Ukraine from Russia. But I say it again, it was initially a temporary one.

But in general, there is a visual infographics of the "gifts" by Russia to its Ukrainian republic.


(Dates:
20th November 1917 (proclamation of UPR in Kiev) -> 12th December 1917 (proclamation of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic in Harkov) -> 1st November 1918 (proclamation of Western-Ukrainian People's Republic in Lvov) -> 1919 (Creation of Ukrainian SSR, Western territories fall under Polish control) ->
1939 (Eastern Galicia becomes part of UkSSR) -> 1940 (Northern Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia become part of Ukraine) -> 1945 (Zakarpatie [Trans-Carpathia] becomes part of Ukraine) -> 1954 (Crimea is transferred into UkSSR)

Another map, is the sate of the South-Russian republics by 1917-1918:

ДКP (DKR) - Donetsk-Krivorozhje Republic
УHP (UPR) - Ukrainian People's Republic
КPЫM - Crimean Republic
OДECCA - Odessa Republic