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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 89 (46.1%)
Liverpool - 32 (16.6%)
Arsenal - 39 (20.2%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.6%)
Manchester United - 14 (7.3%)
Totenham - 7 (3.6%)
Newcastle - 2 (1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
Total Voters: 193

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July 02, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
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Aston Villa was one of the teams that was quite consistent last season where they closed the season in 7th place and were a participant in the European Conference League Qualification for next season. I think they were better than Tottenham last season. But so far I haven't seen any changes happening with them in this transfer window. So far only Youri Tielemans signing has been worked out by Aston villa and he was signed by Aston Villa on a free transfer. I think Unai Emery will try to bring in a few more players to add to their strength next season. One of their targets is Ferran Torres in this season's transfer window. I think if they get Torres most likely their front line will be stronger next season. What's more, Ferran Torres doesn't seem to be included in Xavi plans for next season so Aston villa can take advantage of this opportunity to bring in Torres. Apart from that, Newcastle is also in the team that wants to get Ferran Torres. I think these two teams will compete to get this bomber from Barcelona.

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July 02, 2023, 10:57:35 PM
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Of course, Man City is the strongest team in EPL but the chance for Arsenal to win EPL title is always possible. Arsenal also has a strong squad, they become stronger with some new players now. They must evaluate that they have too small number of players in the last season, they are now buying some players to avoid the same mistakes. I think Arsenal is still the candidate of EPL champion in the next season, we don't know what to happen with Man City after they won the treble winners. Some teams are decreasing their performance a lot after achieving a big thing. Man City may drop their performance because they have no big motivation to win the trophies again.

The chance for arsenal to win EPL is zero at this moment.  Cheesy

I just said based on the reality, has you ever seen arsenal win EPL trophy? I meant look at how arsenal always consistently failed to win it even though the club already tried so hard to win it. I will not believe arsenal will able to win EPL.
I prefer to bet on liverpool or another team instead of arsenal soon. There will be no change and city gonna win EPL again next season. Manchester city has very strong motivation to create a new record by winning treble again for second time in a row.
Why are you saying if city has no motivation at this moment? i guess you are wrong about that, Even city was buying some important players as preparation for upcoming season.
That's enough to call that city has good motivation to keep its position again next season as a winner in three competitions in a row.

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July 02, 2023, 11:12:17 PM
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Arsenal will appear with a different face and will appear to be stronger in the upcoming 2023/2024 season. Yesterday in the 2022/2023 season, Arsenal looked attractive from the start to almost the end of the Premier League competition. They were able to dominate the top of the standings before being painfully cornered by Manchester City. Arsenal are even more determined to improve. Moreover, this season they will play in the Champions League as well. Arsenal have also targeted a number of players, including Declan Rice, Kai Havertz and Jurrien Timber. They need improvement on a number of fronts so they can compete for the Premier League and Champions League titles.
Arsenal is not the only team that will appear with a different face and be stronger by next season. Other teams like Chelsea are doing the same thing. They have changed close to about 99% of their players plus the coach. We expect to see a different face and formation in the Chelsea team.
Next season will be a tough one for every team in the premier league because every team is signing quality players to their team. I don't think Arsenal will be dominant in the premier league as they did last season. They miss their chance to lift the premier league and I don't think they will have such an opportunity again

The thing about Arsenal for the next season is they will keep working with Arteta while he is more experienced now, I think even the last season Arsenal had a good performance and the only reason they lost the title to Manchester City was because of the Guardiola and because he is an experienced coach unlike Arteta, in the other hand Arsenal doesn't have the superstar like Manchester City and if they get some better players they will have a good chance to show the stronger face of their team in the next season.

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July 02, 2023, 11:37:21 PM
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For now Kovacic is the only transfer made by Manchester City this summer. However they have been working on completing a way bigger deal for a long time. They are after Gvardiol as you know and their latest offer was really close to the amount Leipzig wanted for him. I still don't see any update on these negotiations but I assume Manchester City wouldn't stop until securing the deal.

Guardiola has been eager to see him in his team for a long time. This is going to be a really serious improvement in their defense and they will be even more challenging to be stopped. Maybe Gvardiol is a very young player for a defender but he is already impressive with his defending skills.

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July 02, 2023, 11:39:35 PM
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The chance for arsenal to win EPL is zero at this moment.  Cheesy

I just said based on the reality, has you ever seen arsenal win EPL trophy? I meant look at how arsenal always consistently failed to win it even though the club already tried so hard to win it. I will not believe arsenal will able to win EPL.
I prefer to bet on liverpool or another team instead of arsenal soon. There will be no change and city gonna win EPL again next season. Manchester city has very strong motivation to create a new record by winning treble again for second time in a row.
Why are you saying if city has no motivation at this moment? i guess you are wrong about that, Even city was buying some important players as preparation for upcoming season.
That's enough to call that city has good motivation to keep its position again next season as a winner in three competitions in a row.

Perhaps, it’s still too early to conclude Arsenal having a zero percent chance of winning the Premier League title next season. Don’t you think? Besides, if Arsenal has never won the EPL trophy before, that doesn’t mean they could not win it someday. I think all clubs playing in the league and for the title, stand a chance of winning the title even if the chances of some are much higher than others.

Arsenal was a strong contender last season and would only learn from the mistakes made in the last season and make sure not to repeat such mistakes. I think that makes them a stronger opponent to watch out for next season.
I think it may very well be a hard task for Arsenal to win the EPL trophy cause there are equally strong and perhaps stronger opponents vying for the trophy as well. It won’t be a walk in the park, that’s for sure.
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July 02, 2023, 11:53:30 PM
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Perhaps, it’s still too early to conclude Arsenal having a zero percent chance of winning the Premier League title next season. Don’t you think? Besides, if Arsenal has never won the EPL trophy before, that doesn’t mean they could not win it someday. I think all clubs playing in the league and for the title, stand a chance of winning the title even if the chances of some are much higher than others. Arsenal was a strong contender last season and would only learn from the mistakes made in the last season and make sure not to repeat such mistakes. I think that makes them a stronger opponent to watch out for next season. I think it may very well be a hard task for Arsenal to win the EPL trophy cause there are equally strong and perhaps stronger opponents vying for the trophy as well. It won’t be a walk in the park, that’s for sure.
I think the fact that Arsenal failed to win the Premier League in the previous season may, on the contrary, become a factor in favor of the club, because in many ways it happened that the club recently had no experience of fighting for the Premier League title. Now the experience has appeared and some sports anger that the title has flown away at the very finish. The team is also conducting a good transfer campaign to strengthen the squad and its depth, because this was also one of the reasons for losing the title. If earlier Arsenal tried to achieve the championship with minimal costs, now it is clear that the vector has changed and the club agrees to spend seriously in order to achieve the highest goals.
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July 02, 2023, 11:57:23 PM
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For now Kovacic is the only transfer made by Manchester City this summer. However they have been working on completing a way bigger deal for a long time. They are after Gvardiol as you know and their latest offer was really close to the amount Leipzig wanted for him. I still don't see any update on these negotiations but I assume Manchester City wouldn't stop until securing the deal.
City is still having rodri. Gvardiol has become one of the most important target by manchester city. The talk is still ongoing and you can expect the news to come in upcoming days.
As long as city will agree to pay the fees and gvardiol will be moving to the manchester city as soon as possible. it's a just matter of time.


Guardiola has been eager to see him in his team for a long time. This is going to be a really serious improvement in their defense and they will be even more challenging to be stopped. Maybe Gvardiol is a very young player for a defender but he is already impressive with his defending skills.
Kyle walker is still uncertain at this moment. he was waiting for the new offer from manchester city. I guess that if this gonna be a crucial time for city caused by so many things need to be completed as soon as possible.
I hope gvardiol will come to the city as soon as possible.

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Perhaps, it’s still too early to conclude Arsenal having a zero percent chance of winning the Premier League title next season. Don’t you think? Besides, if Arsenal has never won the EPL trophy before, that doesn’t mean they could not win it someday. I think all clubs playing in the league and for the title, stand a chance of winning the title even if the chances of some are much higher than others. Arsenal was a strong contender last season and would only learn from the mistakes made in the last season and make sure not to repeat such mistakes. I think that makes them a stronger opponent to watch out for next season. I think it may very well be a hard task for Arsenal to win the EPL trophy cause there are equally strong and perhaps stronger opponents vying for the trophy as well. It won’t be a walk in the park, that’s for sure.
I think the fact that Arsenal failed to win the Premier League in the previous season may, on the contrary, become a factor in favor of the club, because in many ways it happened that the club recently had no experience of fighting for the Premier League title. Now the experience has appeared and some sports anger that the title has flown away at the very finish. The team is also conducting a good transfer campaign to strengthen the squad and its depth, because this was also one of the reasons for losing the title. If earlier Arsenal tried to achieve the championship with minimal costs, now it is clear that the vector has changed and the club agrees to spend seriously in order to achieve the highest goals.
After getting pretty good achievements last season and also having a good chance to become a champion, I think Arsenal will definitely set their target to win this season. For that they must have good preparation and keep trying to look even better. I guess the title race will be fierce again because Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United will also do the same (as Arsenal did) for that title fight.

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For now Kovacic is the only transfer made by Manchester City this summer. However they have been working on completing a way bigger deal for a long time. They are after Gvardiol as you know and their latest offer was really close to the amount Leipzig wanted for him. I still don't see any update on these negotiations but I assume Manchester City wouldn't stop until securing the deal.

Guardiola has been eager to see him in his team for a long time. This is going to be a really serious improvement in their defense and they will be even more challenging to be stopped. Maybe Gvardiol is a very young player for a defender but he is already impressive with his defending skills.
Kovacic was brought in for a reason; I believe he may be the replacement for IIkay Gundogan, and the boss understands precisely what he's doing. Pep Guardiola is on to the next player, Josko Gvardiol of RB Leipzig. If RB Leipzig knows what they want, both parties may move this deal forward to the final phases. Pep Guardiola is opposed to allowing for incompetent performances during league games, which is why he is doing everything in his capacity as manager to ensure that everything functions effectively for his team. Manchester City is a top English Premier League club with enhanced outcomes.

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July 03, 2023, 03:20:57 AM
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After getting pretty good achievements last season and also having a good chance to become a champion, I think Arsenal will definitely set their target to win this season. For that they must have good preparation and keep trying to look even better. I guess the title race will be fierce again because Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United will also do the same (as Arsenal did) for that title fight.
Newcastle must also be included in the list of clubs that will be in the title race, maybe they are not like other clubs who are so enthusiastic in the transfer market that they bring in several players, of course there is a consideration, but in my opinion, Newcastle cannot be underestimated. They are a team that is organized quite well. on the field, Eddie Howe has been able to employ a sound strategy so far.

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Pep Guardiola is on to the next player, Josko Gvardiol of RB Leipzig. If RB Leipzig knows what they want, both parties may move this deal forward to the final phases. Pep Guardiola is opposed to allowing for incompetent performances during league games, which is why he is doing everything in his capacity as manager to ensure that everything functions effectively for his team. Manchester City is a top English Premier League club with enhanced outcomes.
Josko Gvardiol and his agent have told his current club that they really want to be able to move to Manchester City but RB Leipzig said they would not let this player go for under €100m, so now it's up to Manchester City regarding the success of the transfer of this player, whether they are willing to spend that much, of course, money is not a problem for Manchester City and so far they have been quite solid financially coupled with being able to win a treble winner the owner certainly won't mind spending more money to make his club even bigger and also achieve more many titles.
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July 03, 2023, 03:52:32 AM
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Aston Villa was one of the teams that was quite consistent last season where they closed the season in 7th place and were a participant in the European Conference League Qualification for next season. I think they were better than Tottenham last season. But so far I haven't seen any changes happening with them in this transfer window. So far only Youri Tielemans signing has been worked out by Aston villa and he was signed by Aston Villa on a free transfer. I think Unai Emery will try to bring in a few more players to add to their strength next season. One of their targets is Ferran Torres in this season's transfer window. I think if they get Torres most likely their front line will be stronger next season. What's more, Ferran Torres doesn't seem to be included in Xavi plans for next season so Aston villa can take advantage of this opportunity to bring in Torres. Apart from that, Newcastle is also in the team that wants to get Ferran Torres. I think these two teams will compete to get this bomber from Barcelona.
Ferran Torres seems to have the potential to be released by Barcelona in the transfer market this summer. Because even since last season Ferran Torres has not been played much as a starter by Xavi. So it makes sense that in this season's transfer market Barcelona will be ready to let him go if another club is interested.

I think Aston Villa and Newcastle would be suitable clubs for Ferran torres but it seems Aston Villa really needs Torres' presence at the club much more. Because it can add strength to Aston Villa's attack line. But now it's not just clubs from the Premier League who are after Torres. Because reportedly AC Milan will also be planning to bring in Torres. although not sure but this should make Aston Villa move faster.

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Arsenal had failed to maintain their consistency due to injuries and most likely fatigue too as the same players were the ones playing all the time. But I don’t really get what you meant by Arsenal not having a winning mentality. I think they’ve got a winning mentality and that’s why they had been leading the league table for a while.
They had been winning their games and gathered some good points to be a bit ahead. That’s a winning mentality in my book. They had suffered some set back and lost points which led to Manchester City who was hot at their heels overtake them and finally win the league. Manchester City no doubt  has a winning mentality and is a superb team.
Injuries have a way of tipping the balance of the team because they will undoubtedly affect some crucial positions, which will change the way the team is structured. Additionally, because Arsenal lacked a winning mentality, their performance plummeted when they were expected to accumulate more points, which is when they started losing. I pray Arsenal performs better since they have tested glory they will want to do better next season.

@Iroh, A mistake can happen once. But when the same mistake happens the next season, I think there are some problems. If I remember correctly the same thing happened with Arsenal in the season before this one as well. So we cannot say that Aslam just was not ready for this. Arsenal had to be ready for this because this had happened before.

I simply think that Arsenal took it a little too easy when they had a good lead in terms of points. And I think that simply came back to haunt them. They should remember that when you have Manchester City as your opponent you cannot relax. Arsenal is spending well in recent times. But they are not going to be able to win the English Premier League title if they are not consistent throughout the season.

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Aston Villa was one of the teams that was quite consistent last season where they closed the season in 7th place and were a participant in the European Conference League Qualification for next season. I think they were better than Tottenham last season. But so far I haven't seen any changes happening with them in this transfer window. So far only Youri Tielemans signing has been worked out by Aston villa and he was signed by Aston Villa on a free transfer. I think Unai Emery will try to bring in a few more players to add to their strength next season. One of their targets is Ferran Torres in this season's transfer window. I think if they get Torres most likely their front line will be stronger next season. What's more, Ferran Torres doesn't seem to be included in Xavi plans for next season so Aston villa can take advantage of this opportunity to bring in Torres. Apart from that, Newcastle is also in the team that wants to get Ferran Torres. I think these two teams will compete to get this bomber from Barcelona.
Torres has into sell lists from Barcelona so maybe if Aston Villa attempts to bid him Barcelona will considering that offer and recently he has give his respond about this rumour that actually Torres want to stayed much longer in Barcelona and he wanted to prove to Xavi that he was a good player and deserves to be given the opportunity and Torres position is a winger

But the current problem is there were several players who has the same position as him such as Rapinha, Ousmane Dembele and Ansu Fati so Torres will not always be the first choice for Xavi because he have to compete with these players for winger position and i think Torres should be thinking realistic that if he staying at Barcelona he wouldn't gets much minutes to play but if he willing moved to other teams such as Aston Villa his chance to play regularly will be very open so if this rumour is true i think Torres have to considering that offer

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July 03, 2023, 04:31:29 AM
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For now Kovacic is the only transfer made by Manchester City this summer. However they have been working on completing a way bigger deal for a long time. They are after Gvardiol as you know and their latest offer was really close to the amount Leipzig wanted for him. I still don't see any update on these negotiations but I assume Manchester City wouldn't stop until securing the deal.

Guardiola has been eager to see him in his team for a long time. This is going to be a really serious improvement in their defense and they will be even more challenging to be stopped. Maybe Gvardiol is a very young player for a defender but he is already impressive with his defending skills.

I think, money will not stop Manchester city not to sign in a potential defenders just to improve more in the area of defense because they really experienced some challenges from the beginning of premier league competition table, that made Arsenal to top the table before Manchester city took over the position till the end of the tournament. It hard for Manchester city coach to bring in players who cannot perform well in the team because he always Carry out his personal research before inviting any player and the player will do wonders like what Erling Haaland is doing in the Manchester city. I believe, Manchester city defensive will be more solid next season because this talented young defender have something good to offer to Manchester city.

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July 03, 2023, 04:44:12 AM
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For now Kovacic is the only transfer made by Manchester City this summer. However they have been working on completing a way bigger deal for a long time. They are after Gvardiol as you know and their latest offer was really close to the amount Leipzig wanted for him. I still don't see any update on these negotiations but I assume Manchester City wouldn't stop until securing the deal.

Guardiola has been eager to see him in his team for a long time. This is going to be a really serious improvement in their defense and they will be even more challenging to be stopped. Maybe Gvardiol is a very young player for a defender but he is already impressive with his defending skills.

I think, money will not stop Manchester city not to sign in a potential defenders just to improve more in the area of defense because they really experienced some challenges from the beginning of premier league competition table, that made Arsenal to top the table before Manchester city took over the position till the end of the tournament. It hard for Manchester city coach to bring in players who cannot perform well in the team because he always Carry out his personal research before inviting any player and the player will do wonders like what Erling Haaland is doing in the Manchester city. I believe, Manchester city defensive will be more solid next season because this talented young defender have something good to offer to Manchester city.
Manchester City management has really proven its performance in terms of player recruitment. The players they are hunting for clearly have prospects and potential so they will not hesitate to spend money even though the player's price is very expensive. If they succeed in bringing in Gvardiol then the strength at the back will be very solid and difficult for other teams to match. Apart from that, Kovacic is also a suitable replacement for Gundogan who has left. I believe that in the next few seasons Manchester City will be difficult to stop, especially since they are still managed by Pep Guardiola.

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July 03, 2023, 05:01:41 AM
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For now Kovacic is the only transfer made by Manchester City this summer. However they have been working on completing a way bigger deal for a long time. They are after Gvardiol as you know and their latest offer was really close to the amount Leipzig wanted for him. I still don't see any update on these negotiations but I assume Manchester City wouldn't stop until securing the deal.

Guardiola has been eager to see him in his team for a long time. This is going to be a really serious improvement in their defense and they will be even more challenging to be stopped. Maybe Gvardiol is a very young player for a defender but he is already impressive with his defending skills.

I think, money will not stop Manchester city not to sign in a potential defenders just to improve more in the area of defense because they really experienced some challenges from the beginning of premier league competition table, that made Arsenal to top the table before Manchester city took over the position till the end of the tournament. It hard for Manchester city coach to bring in players who cannot perform well in the team because he always Carry out his personal research before inviting any player and the player will do wonders like what Erling Haaland is doing in the Manchester city. I believe, Manchester city defensive will be more solid next season because this talented young defender have something good to offer to Manchester city.
Manchester City management has really proven its performance in terms of player recruitment. The players they are hunting for clearly have prospects and potential so they will not hesitate to spend money even though the player's price is very expensive. If they succeed in bringing in Gvardiol then the strength at the back will be very solid and difficult for other teams to match. Apart from that, Kovacic is also a suitable replacement for Gundogan who has left. I believe that in the next few seasons Manchester City will be difficult to stop, especially since they are still managed by Pep Guardiola.
It would not be wrong to say that the team that Pep Guardiola has created at Manchester City is the best team in the Premier League. They have done well with this team this season and are likely to do well with this team next season. In other words, the strategy that Pep Guardiola has been trying to achieve success for a long time has been successful. Players have been able to master this technique well within themselves. Now Manchester City need to find a good replacement for Gundogan. Because this midfielder star did a great performance for Manchester City last season. If someone like him can't be signed to Manchester City, we could see some weakness in the midfield.

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July 03, 2023, 05:22:15 AM
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After getting pretty good achievements last season and also having a good chance to become a champion, I think Arsenal will definitely set their target to win this season. For that they must have good preparation and keep trying to look even better. I guess the title race will be fierce again because Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man United will also do the same (as Arsenal did) for that title fight.
Last season was indeed one of the best seasons for Arsenal, how could they get up and at least manage to put pressure on Manchester City to fight for the EPL title. It was a great achievement in one season and in the end Arsenal also got a place in the champions league even though they failed to win the EPL.

Mikel Arteta certainly doesn't want to get the same results for next season and become runner up again, this time he will definitely be more serious about bringing his players for totality in every game so they can get an additional three points. Very fierce competition will occur in the next season and some of the clubs that you have mentioned above deserve to be able to compete again for the EPL title.

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July 03, 2023, 05:29:17 AM
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I think, money will not stop Manchester city not to sign in a potential defenders just to improve more in the area of defense because they really experienced some challenges from the beginning of premier league competition table, that made Arsenal to top the table before Manchester city took over the position till the end of the tournament. It hard for Manchester city coach to bring in players who cannot perform well in the team because he always Carry out his personal research before inviting any player and the player will do wonders like what Erling Haaland is doing in the Manchester city. I believe, Manchester city defensive will be more solid next season because this talented young defender have something good to offer to Manchester city.

Gvardiol has told its club leipzig to sell him to the manchester city. It seems like that gvardiol very interested to leave from leipzig and move to the new club that has won treble winners last season. I can't deny that gvardiol will get so many experience once he will be playing under pep guardiola instead of staying in leipzig. I think that manchester city may also ask him to push the club to make it complete as soon as possible. Gvardiol has been giving a green light for city.
He is still waiting for the decision from leipzig whether the club will be agreed with his request or not.

This news has been confirmed by leipzig's director if gvardiol is willing to join in manchester city.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/josko-gvardiol-eager-seal-man-city-transfer-rb-leipzig-confirm-talks-record-breaking-deal/bltcf5955bb0e4c19b3

I think the deal will complete soon.

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July 03, 2023, 05:54:00 AM
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Last season was indeed one of the best seasons for Arsenal, how could they get up and at least manage to put pressure on Manchester City to fight for the EPL title. It was a great achievement in one season and in the end Arsenal also got a place in the champions league even though they failed to win the EPL.

Mikel Arteta certainly doesn't want to get the same results for next season and become runner up again, this time he will definitely be more serious about bringing his players for totality in every game so they can get an additional three points. Very fierce competition will occur in the next season and some of the clubs that you have mentioned above deserve to be able to compete again for the EPL title.
Every club has their season to make an impact and last season was Arsenal's opportunity, but they botched everything and missed the league title to their archrival, Manchester City. We don't know which clubs will be competitive and in form next season, but we'll keep an eye on them. Arsenal belted up and were at their best last season, their outstanding performance surprised everyone, who would have believed that Arsenal, a team full of players with mediocre experiences, would have a chance to fight for the Premier League title. Next season, is an another opportunity for them to try again.

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July 03, 2023, 06:47:59 AM
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Guardiola seems to be interested in de Jong now as this article says. That would be an interesting exchange as they let Gundogan go and try to replace him with a much younger player. Maybe this has all been set up without anyone knowing if this transfer really happens. I think de Jong is more defensive than Gundogan and scores a lot less goals in his time at Barcelona, but Guardiola seems to have an idea about how to proceed with Manchester City next season.
Now THAT makes sense for sure. I never believed that Kovacic was a good replacement for Gundogan, sure Kovacic is decent but that dude was the captain of a team that did treble, and Kovacic is not capable of being as good as that.

To see De Jong there instead? That could definitely change some stuff and we may end up seeing some better players for sure. I know that it is going to be pretty tough to handle and we are not going to end up De Jong go for cheap, with Barcelona being in financial trouble, they may want to end up with a loss for sure and that means they may want to sell De Jong for a lot of money to solve all their financial troubles with just one sale, and that's why something a lot more could be considered. However, City is rich enough to be able to pay for it, so I guess that could still happen.

I don't know whether de Jong would be worth even more. I think 100 million a lot already, but the transfer market has become unpredictable anyway so it doesn't really make sense to speculate about the final amount. But there is still a gap that Gundoan leaves behind even when de Jong comes in. Gundogan has these offensive qualities that neither Kovacic nor de Jong have and I usually think that Guardiola loved Gundogan for his dual strengths in defensive and offensive movements. de Jong's stats are far inferior in terms of scoring, but equal in other respects. Guardiola is usually a big fan of players who are strong in any regard.

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