Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Baofeng]

^^ Boxers will always find "personal" reasons to beat the other party, that's why they are motivated. The Taylor vs Catterall became personal to Taylor because he almost lost the fight, when everyone thought that he was invincible at 140 lbs. Of course he has the belt and the unified champion, but everything went wrong on that fight. And there are boxing pundits who see Catterall winning the fight.

And that makes Josh really wanted to get a rematch and shut Jack Catterall mouth for good. And shows everyone that he is still on top of this division although he has given up his 3 belts because it's hard to defend all against mandatory by different bodies.

Yeah right, they are using this as motivation and a good reason to win and beat their opponent's, more motivation, more reason to establish their names in this sport. With the help of scouts and sparring partners, executing their strategy will keep them on top. I think boxers/fighters will find those many reasons to beat their opponents.

Part of their mindsets that once they step inside the ring, the reason why they wanted to win will generate their plan patterns to execute and win the fight.

And speaking of this fight, Jack says that he is not worried that Josh is getting a new trainer:

unior welterweight contender Jack Catterall does not believe a new trainer will make Josh Taylor a better fighter.

Taylor was trained for much of his career by Shane McGuigan. He would part ways with McGuigan and begin working with Ben Davison.

Davison was in Taylor's corner earlier this year, when the Scottish boxer picked up a controversial twelve round split decision over Catterall.

Taylor has since broken away from Davison and retained the services of Joe McNally.

As the saying goes, you can't teach a dog new trick, so I do agree with Jack here. Not sure what changes will Josh and his new trainer will do in this fight. What kind of strategy to offset the style of Jack and his aggressive. For sure Josh still has this in his mind that he almost lost this fight and all his belts and that's why he did get a new trainer.

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[BitcoinPanther]

unior welterweight contender Jack Catterall does not believe a new trainer will make Josh Taylor a better fighter.

Taylor was trained for much of his career by Shane McGuigan. He would part ways with McGuigan and begin working with Ben Davison.

Davison was in Taylor's corner earlier this year, when the Scottish boxer picked up a controversial twelve round split decision over Catterall.

Taylor has since broken away from Davison and retained the services of Joe McNally.

As the saying goes, you can't teach a dog new trick, so I do agree with Jack here. Not sure what changes will Josh and his new trainer will do in this fight. What kind of strategy to offset the style of Jack and his aggressive. For sure Josh still has this in his mind that he almost lost this fight and all his belts and that's why he did get a new trainer.

But the thing is Josh Taylor isn't a dog.    He is human which is capable of learning many tricks.   A new trainer may point out Josh Taylor's weaknesses that his previous trainer failed to notice.  I agree that we can still see the style his previous trainer taught him but for sure we can also see a different approach this time that he has a new trainer.

[Baofeng]

unior welterweight contender Jack Catterall does not believe a new trainer will make Josh Taylor a better fighter.

Taylor was trained for much of his career by Shane McGuigan. He would part ways with McGuigan and begin working with Ben Davison.

Davison was in Taylor's corner earlier this year, when the Scottish boxer picked up a controversial twelve round split decision over Catterall.

Taylor has since broken away from Davison and retained the services of Joe McNally.

As the saying goes, you can't teach a dog new trick, so I do agree with Jack here. Not sure what changes will Josh and his new trainer will do in this fight. What kind of strategy to offset the style of Jack and his aggressive. For sure Josh still has this in his mind that he almost lost this fight and all his belts and that's why he did get a new trainer.

But the thing is Josh Taylor isn't a dog.    He is human which is capable of learning many tricks.   A new trainer may point out Josh Taylor's weaknesses that his previous trainer failed to notice.  I agree that we can still see the style his previous trainer taught him but for sure we can also see a different approach this time that he has a new trainer.

Well you can say that to Anthony Joshua as well, he did Robert Garcia as his new trainer but the result is the same, he lost to Usyk.

The case though with Taylor is that he didn't lost the fight, he won it although a bit controversial. Perhaps he think that he need to change things up, but when you have been in this sports for a long time and become a champion like him, it might be hard to relearn things.

Yes, for sure his new trainer will point his weaknesses, but once they go and fight and punch each other in the face again, he could be back to his old habits again.

And as Mike Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan, till they got punch in the mouth".

[BitcoinPanther]

Well you can say that to Anthony Joshua as well, he did Robert Garcia as his new trainer but the result is the same, he lost to Usyk.

The case though with Taylor is that he didn't lost the fight, he won it although a bit controversial. Perhaps he think that he need to change things up, but when you have been in this sports for a long time and become a champion like him, it might be hard to relearn things.

Yes, for sure his new trainer will point his weaknesses, but once they go and fight and punch each other in the face again, he could be back to his old habits again.

And as Mike Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan, till they got punch in the mouth".

I agree it is hard to forget the old ways but there are people who are capable of adapting and absorbing new techniques, even modifying their previous style with the improved one.  It is true that there is a possibility that Josh will come back to his old style but I believe that is the reason why there is months of training and preparation before the two boxer fight.  But whatever, I think we can only see the truth via watching it on the scheduled fight.

[Fredomago]

Well you can say that to Anthony Joshua as well, he did Robert Garcia as his new trainer but the result is the same, he lost to Usyk.

The case though with Taylor is that he didn't lost the fight, he won it although a bit controversial. Perhaps he think that he need to change things up, but when you have been in this sports for a long time and become a champion like him, it might be hard to relearn things.

Yes, for sure his new trainer will point his weaknesses, but once they go and fight and punch each other in the face again, he could be back to his old habits again.

And as Mike Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan, till they got punch in the mouth".

I agree it is hard to forget the old ways but there are people who are capable of adapting and absorbing new techniques, even modifying their previous style with the improved one.  It is true that there is a possibility that Josh will come back to his old style but I believe that is the reason why there is months of training and preparation before the two boxer fight.  But whatever, I think we can only see the truth via watching it on the scheduled fight.

We will only know what are the adjustments and how fighters recreate existing fighting styles to fit with their skills when they are already inside the ring and fighting with their opponents, the executions of their fighting styles will reflects and for most fighters they are not staying with one fighting style they keep adjusting to make sure that they can compete and the opponent can't dominate them.

[serjent05]

We will only know what are the adjustments and how fighters recreate existing fighting styles to fit with their skills when they are already inside the ring and fighting with their opponents, the executions of their fighting styles will reflects and for most fighters they are not staying with one fighting style they keep adjusting to make sure that they can compete and the opponent can't dominate them.

I think fighting IQ is the biggest factor in winning a fight when it goes a distance.  No matter how many times a boxer change trainer if his ring IQ is too low, it will only result in a loss.  I agree that ring adjustment is way better than having a new trainer because when a player is able to adjust to his opponent, he can counter and make the suppose to be the advantage of an opponent its weakness. One example is how Marquez made Pacquiao's forward punch assault its weakness by knocking him while doing that kind of attack.

[Baofeng]

Well you can say that to Anthony Joshua as well, he did Robert Garcia as his new trainer but the result is the same, he lost to Usyk.

The case though with Taylor is that he didn't lost the fight, he won it although a bit controversial. Perhaps he think that he need to change things up, but when you have been in this sports for a long time and become a champion like him, it might be hard to relearn things.

Yes, for sure his new trainer will point his weaknesses, but once they go and fight and punch each other in the face again, he could be back to his old habits again.

And as Mike Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan, till they got punch in the mouth".

I agree it is hard to forget the old ways but there are people who are capable of adapting and absorbing new techniques, even modifying their previous style with the improved one.  It is true that there is a possibility that Josh will come back to his old style but I believe that is the reason why there is months of training and preparation before the two boxer fight.  But whatever, I think we can only see the truth via watching it on the scheduled fight.

Yes, we can only see those changes inside the ring, and I think more than that, how the new coach will motivate Josh in this fight. Trainers is not just to train their boxers and prepare them, it is also very important to give them instructions that will push them to their limits specially if they are down in a fight.

I've seen a lot of trainers trying every trick in the book inspire their boxers in a highly competitive fight and most of the time it is very effective.

I mean, you see your boxers, really down and he needs to win by a knock out, you will have to really provoke something inside of him to turn the tide and win the fight via the best way, to knock your opponent down.

[inthelongrun]

Well you can say that to Anthony Joshua as well, he did Robert Garcia as his new trainer but the result is the same, he lost to Usyk.

The case though with Taylor is that he didn't lost the fight, he won it although a bit controversial. Perhaps he think that he need to change things up, but when you have been in this sports for a long time and become a champion like him, it might be hard to relearn things.

Yes, for sure his new trainer will point his weaknesses, but once they go and fight and punch each other in the face again, he could be back to his old habits again.

And as Mike Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan, till they got punch in the mouth".

I agree it is hard to forget the old ways but there are people who are capable of adapting and absorbing new techniques, even modifying their previous style with the improved one.  It is true that there is a possibility that Josh will come back to his old style but I believe that is the reason why there is months of training and preparation before the two boxer fight.  But whatever, I think we can only see the truth via watching it on the scheduled fight.

Yes, we can only see those changes inside the ring, and I think more than that, how the new coach will motivate Josh in this fight. Trainers is not just to train their boxers and prepare them, it is also very important to give them instructions that will push them to their limits specially if they are down in a fight.

I've seen a lot of trainers trying every trick in the book inspire their boxers in a highly competitive fight and most of the time it is very effective.

I mean, you see your boxers, really down and he needs to win by a knock out, you will have to really provoke something inside of him to turn the tide and win the fight via the best way, to knock your opponent down.

Did Josh Taylor change trainers? I didn't know that. About the first fight between Taylor and Jack Catterall, I heard more people thought Catterall won. I watched that fight but I haven't scored it since I am doing something at that time. I haven't watched the punch stats either but it could be that Catterall landed more. Although from what I'd seen, it was still Taylor that was the stronger fighter and he landed the harder shots. It was supposed to be an easy fight for Taylor, it was probably just an off-night for him but it could be the trash-talking and the weigh-in scuffle when Catterall grabbed his neck that lost his focus.   

My hats off to Taylor though that he is up for the rematch like a real man. It was supposed to be his last fight at 140 and then shift his focus to winning other belts at 147. I am hoping for an upset but my mind says that when Taylor is at his best, he is just way too good for the likes of Catterall. Taylor will stop Catterall or at least cruise to a very clear unanimous decision.

[Baofeng]

^^ Yes mate, as per this news:

https://www.boxingscene.com/josh-taylor-replaces-trainer-ben-davison-with-coach-joe-mcnally--169715

Josh Taylor will have a new coach in his corner.

The WBO champion has parted ways with Ben Davison and announced that Joe McNally will be his new head trainer.

Taylor (19-0, 13 KOs) made the move official on social media this week, posting a picture of himself and McNally with the caption: “It’s a pleasure to officially announce that I’ve teamed up with and gonna be working with Joe McNally moving forward. I’m excited for this new chapter in my career and producing more great nights ahead.”

I haven't check the background of Joe McNally though, but it seems as per the report that he guided, Liam Smith  David Price to name a few.

As per the numbers, it's very close, that's why the fight can go either way.

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One example is how Marquez made Pacquiao's forward punch assault its weakness by knocking him while doing that kind of attack.

Aside from boxing IQ, it's clear that Marquez is really hungry to defeat Pacquiao as it was a big achievement that's why all of his determination was put into that fight unlike when Marquez is fighting other boxers. That contributes to his eagerness to win the fight. Pacquiao on the other hand is just playing business and even if he loses that fight, he still takes home the biggest purse. Not saying Marquez has a bit of luck but when he fought Pacquiao where he won, that's not the same fierce and aggressive Pacquiao that he fought in their early meetings.

[danherbias07]

We will only know what are the adjustments and how fighters recreate existing fighting styles to fit with their skills when they are already inside the ring and fighting with their opponents, the executions of their fighting styles will reflects and for most fighters they are not staying with one fighting style they keep adjusting to make sure that they can compete and the opponent can't dominate them.

I think fighting IQ is the biggest factor in winning a fight when it goes a distance.  No matter how many times a boxer change trainer if his ring IQ is too low, it will only result in a loss.  I agree that ring adjustment is way better than having a new trainer because when a player is able to adjust to his opponent, he can counter and make the suppose to be the advantage of an opponent its weakness. One example is how Marquez made Pacquiao's forward punch assault its weakness by knocking him while doing that kind of attack.

That's one of the most unforgettable counterpunches that I've seen in boxing history and also one of the biggest upsets.
Pacquiao can literally just go away in those final seconds of Round 6 and he already won that round. But that is not his style so keep on attacking and Marquez caught an opening that knock the hell Pacquiao down. It's still fresh in my memory.
IQ and the right timing. I bet he went thru lots of practice to master that kind of technique. It's not easy because it's just a millisecond of a chance to make it land.

[Slow death]

As the saying goes, you can't teach a dog new trick, so I do agree with Jack here. Not sure what changes will Josh and his new trainer will do in this fight. What kind of strategy to offset the style of Jack and his aggressive. For sure Josh still has this in his mind that he almost lost this fight and all his belts and that's why he did get a new trainer.

when it comes to fighting, having a new coach will always make a difference, I think that Jack Catterall should not underestimate how much a new coach can bring changes to an athlete, of course it is also necessary for the athlete to have a lot of time to prepare with the new coach and if the athlete doesn't have a good physique then even the new coach will teach him a lot of things, it won't help if he's fighting a guy who has twice his physique, and honestly looking at these two fighters I I can not stop laughing

We will only know what are the adjustments and how fighters recreate existing fighting styles to fit with their skills when they are already inside the ring and fighting with their opponents, the executions of their fighting styles will reflects and for most fighters they are not staying with one fighting style they keep adjusting to make sure that they can compete and the opponent can't dominate them.

most of the time it's hard to see these changes that the fighter had thanks to the new trainer, especially in the Boxing, when it's MMA, at least the person can see some new moves, but in the Boxing it's very difficult to notice any change, I particularly can't see it, but for this fight if it took place I would bet on Jack Catterall, I think he would beat Josh Taylor, eid see the odds and if it would also be possible to make a multibet bet if the fight actually takes place, for now I just follow the news about the fight

[tabas]

That's one of the most unforgettable counterpunches that I've seen in boxing history and also one of the biggest upsets.
Pacquiao can literally just go away in those final seconds of Round 6 and he already won that round. But that is not his style so keep on attacking and Marquez caught an opening that knock the hell Pacquiao down. It's still fresh in my memory.
IQ and the right timing. I bet he went thru lots of practice to master that kind of technique. It's not easy because it's just a millisecond of a chance to make it land.

Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?
I can remember that counterpunch that made Pacquiao fell for his knees when Marquez got him right there. That's also where everyone thought of that there could always be one lucky punch, a counter or not that's going to be done which will make an upset.

[carlisle1]

That's one of the most unforgettable counterpunches that I've seen in boxing history and also one of the biggest upsets.
Pacquiao can literally just go away in those final seconds of Round 6 and he already won that round. But that is not his style so keep on attacking and Marquez caught an opening that knock the hell Pacquiao down. It's still fresh in my memory.
IQ and the right timing. I bet he went thru lots of practice to master that kind of technique. It's not easy because it's just a millisecond of a chance to make it land.

Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?
I can remember that counterpunch that made Pacquiao fell for his knees when Marquez got him right there. That's also where everyone thought of that there could always be one lucky punch, a counter or not that's going to be done which will make an upset.

Marquez was unbelievable that time, most of the fans thinks that it will be a win for Pacquiao but that lucky punch that landed solidly
and give him the win.

I agree that it was one of the biggest upsets as this was part of that long-series rivalries between Pacquaio and the Mexican fighters,

maybe or not maybe it was the reality back then that pride is greater than money unlike now, money is more than anything.

[danherbias07]

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Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?

We are not that old, because we can still remember it. 

Marquez was unbelievable that time, most of the fans thinks that it will be a win for Pacquiao but that lucky punch that landed solidly
and give him the win.

I agree that it was one of the biggest upsets as this was part of that long-series rivalries between Pacquaio and the Mexican fighters,

maybe or not maybe it was the reality back then that pride is greater than money unlike now, money is more than anything.

It's true. Most of Marquez's counters are accurately done and Manny is getting frustrated because of it. I think that is one of the reasons why he came back for more punches which became one of the biggest mistakes in his career. Well, that's the after-effect of a counter strategy to make you lose your temper and throw your game out.

Pride and honor before and without a doubt even non-sports enthusiasts are going to wait for the match and get PPV.
Now, it's way different, exhibition matches left and right.

[Shamm]

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Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?

We are not that old, because we can still remember it. 

Marquez was unbelievable that time, most of the fans thinks that it will be a win for Pacquiao but that lucky punch that landed solidly
and give him the win.

I agree that it was one of the biggest upsets as this was part of that long-series rivalries between Pacquaio and the Mexican fighters,

maybe or not maybe it was the reality back then that pride is greater than money unlike now, money is more than anything.

It's true. Most of Marquez's counters are accurately done and Manny is getting frustrated because of it. I think that is one of the reasons why he came back for more punches which became one of the biggest mistakes in his career. Well, that's the after-effect of a counter strategy to make you lose your temper and throw your game out.

Pride and honor before and without a doubt even non-sports enthusiasts are going to wait for the match and get PPV.
Now, it's way different, exhibition matches left and right.

The fight between manny pacman Pacquiao vs manuell Marquez for me is one of the best fight in the history of boxing because their fight runs until  4 fight because of rematch but still that fight is not a small fight as we all know that fighters are very strong and very strategic in terms of fighting. That lucky punches by Marquez makes manny pacman down in the ring as we all know that manny controlled the fight but when he is in greediness to knock down his opponent then a lucky punch make him as sleep for a while.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Speaking of the WBC convention,

As the WBC convention continues to move forward, a slew of bouts was recently ordered. Amongst them, a WBC title eliminator between Stevenson and Isaac Cruz was officially penciled in.

https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-welcomes-isaac-cruz-title-eliminator-i-dont-duck-dodge-anybody--170355d

I think this is a great fight for Shakur if he step up to 135 lbs, Pitbull is no pushover, the pressure and the power, let's see how Shakur will cover that one. He want's to fight Devin Haney but I guess he needs to go in line. I think Loma will have the first crack, but then again the problem with Shakur vs Cruz might be their promotions and network ties. Hopefully the WBC could be their middle main so that this title eliminator will happen next year.

I'm surprised if Shakur want to move to lightweight division, after I read a news on 3 weeks ago if Shakur losses all his belts because he missed the weight against Conceicao, it's make sense. Well Isaac Cruz is a good stepping stone for Shakur before he want to fight Haney, Loma or Tank. Lightweight division is very exciting and bloody since each boxers has capabilities to beat the other boxers.

Maybe the real champion on lightweight division need to fight the top 5 boxers before he need to move to the next weight.

Well, Shakur is a boxer who is always looking for the best. Could it be that he wants to move up in category so that he can be much more famous? he wants to do the Russian Bivol thing, who doesn't want rematches with anyone right now, just win titles and get a lot of fame to make good fights and have so much fame that each fight makes them win a lot of money, that's what they really want, if they fight esclar is because apart from fame, they want money and I don't blame them, it's a very hard sport, they risk their lives in an impressive way, if they can get money from it, it's the most logical thing and it's well deserved.

In this order of ideas I base myself to think that this is possibly what the boxer Shakur wants, basically a boxer I imagine who seeks the same goals.

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Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?

We are not that old, because we can still remember it. 

Marquez was unbelievable that time, most of the fans thinks that it will be a win for Pacquiao but that lucky punch that landed solidly
and give him the win.

I agree that it was one of the biggest upsets as this was part of that long-series rivalries between Pacquaio and the Mexican fighters,

maybe or not maybe it was the reality back then that pride is greater than money unlike now, money is more than anything.

It's true. Most of Marquez's counters are accurately done and Manny is getting frustrated because of it. I think that is one of the reasons why he came back for more punches which became one of the biggest mistakes in his career. Well, that's the after-effect of a counter strategy to make you lose your temper and throw your game out.

Pride and honor before and without a doubt even non-sports enthusiasts are going to wait for the match and get PPV.
Now, it's way different, exhibition matches left and right.

The fight between manny pacman Pacquiao vs manuell Marquez for me is one of the best fight in the history of boxing because their fight runs until  4 fight because of rematch but still that fight is not a small fight as we all know that fighters are very strong and very strategic in terms of fighting. That lucky punches by Marquez makes manny pacman down in the ring as we all know that manny controlled the fight but when he is in greediness to knock down his opponent then a lucky punch make him as sleep for a while.

Well we all know very well that Paquiao is a boxer who will always give his best and for the show too, in addition we know that Pacquiao's style is very explosive from a start and it is an honor to have him to see him box, knowing that he is a legend it is very obvious that the tendency will always be for him to win, this is something that cannot be denied, for me Pacquiao is a boxer who always determines the course of every fight, he is the one who will give a before and after, no there is another way to see it and he will win because I don't see any other way to see Pacquiao in an exhibition fight, I can't deny that I would like him to return to boxing like before.

[tabas]

Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?
I can remember that counterpunch that made Pacquiao fell for his knees when Marquez got him right there. That's also where everyone thought of that there could always be one lucky punch, a counter or not that's going to be done which will make an upset.

Marquez was unbelievable that time, most of the fans thinks that it will be a win for Pacquiao but that lucky punch that landed solidly
and give him the win.

I agree that it was one of the biggest upsets as this was part of that long-series rivalries between Pacquaio and the Mexican fighters,

maybe or not maybe it was the reality back then that pride is greater than money unlike now, money is more than anything.

It's actually a win for Pacquiao back then but he was so careless and didn't think lightly during that time. He's about to win that match but suddenly, he became so aggressive, and Marquez saw an opening. And the sad truth between these two great fighters of our time, we will never see them again to have fight against each other.

We are not that old, because we can still remember it. 

Well, yeah! We can still remember those matches. We just added some numbers to our ages. 

[YuginKadoya]

That is true and they will make money while making a less risky fight even if they will fight a different sport fighter. Now, both of them are now running on the limelight again after they retired but Mayweather has been on the game of exhibitions for some years now while Pacquiao will have his 1st fight after he got some rests on the politics side. Let's see if Pacquiao's fight is more interesting than Mayweather's because that is one of the basis that their future fights will still be marketable.

Well, I am not against this kind of thing, yes Floyd Mayweather has started it all, but let's just hope Manny Pacquaio could give us better entertainment, but on his 1st exhibition match I highly doubt it will be entertaining because DK Yoo is not really a boxer, and doesn't have any professional fights even though he is a master of Martial arts, I really think he can not withstand the power punch of a Manny Pacquiao,

And I'd still hope a Manny Pacquiao VS Floyd Mayweather takes place, in the near future, maybe the last fight for Mayweather, that would be big money for sure, and if Mayweather would not be tempted in getting it I really don't know what else could make him say yes,

It's actually a win for Pacquiao back then but he was so careless and didn't think lightly during that time. He's about to win that match but suddenly, he became so aggressive, and Marquez saw an opening. And the sad truth between these two great fighters of our time, we will never see them again to have fight against each other.

That win from Juan Manuel Marquez was not a fluke he have seen a clear opening and taking it was a risk but he still takes it because he is much losing to Manny Pacquiao at that time, it was a do-or-die thing for him, I was really shocked and I think many Filipino was really shock in utter dis-belief in seen their iconic hero face down the canvas, not moving at all, and many didn't really think it could be a win for Juan Manuel Marquez, that day but still, it has marked history in boxing that anything is really possible even though they have thought that Manny Pacquiao could win this it is really possible that something like this could happen,

[Baofeng]

Press conference for Prograis vs Zepeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_TolZxAEbs

Great fight and as I have said this could be war between this two 140 lbs fighters. They have something to proved here, so they are going to push themselves.

Prograis still the huge favorite here at 1.20 and Zepeda at 4.40, Stake.com odds.