Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Baofeng]

Although I'm disappointed with the news that Manny Pacquiao will come out of retirement by participating in an exhibition match, that's his life.

As a fan of Manny, just it's pretty disappointing to see him on the bandwagon on what Floyd has started for retired boxers. But we have to understand where Manny is coming from.

He thinks that's fine or maybe he missed fighting in the ring already. I just don't understand why it should be against a Youtuber and not a real boxer that also on retirement now. With his impact, he can challenge those retired big names in an exhibition match and makes more money.

Looks like Manny is willing to ruin his legacy, well that's his career so I hope he will be happy with his decision:)

I don't think it will ruin his legacy though, Floyd just got on the HOF recently, and for sure Manny will in the next couple of years. Maybe he really missed the action or just another job for him and his family, to continue to make money through his God given talent.

[TravelMug]

Manny Pacquiao versus the South Korean YouTuber, DK Yoo. I've tried to find for those articles on how much was offered to him.

And saw an analyst said that Pacquiao has nothing to little gain that he'll get from this comeback match. Well, it's an exhibition match and that really won't matter to him.

He's after the entertainment and talent fee he'll get on it but how much.

It's not as big as what is Floyd is getting with Rizin of Japan for sure. Maybe Manny is offered good enough money so that he says yes. Maybe what he will gain is the experience and then probably go on venture to fight bigger names and obviously bigger pay day.

There's a lot of speculation like Connor, Floyd and even Amir Khan for his exhibition fight. But the raffle goes to this South Korean Youtuber.

[Kemarit]

And since we will see Magsayo later, this is what he says about his idol and boxing promoter Manny Pacquiao,

“I don’t know,” Magsayo told BoxingScene.com. “He’s the one who knows his body and his mind. If he fights, it’s OK, as long as I’m on the undercard.”

That said, Magsayo wants Pacquiao to win the final fight of his celebrated career.

“One more,” Magsayo said, “win and retire.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/magsayo-hopes-his-idol-promoter-pacquiao-fights-one-more-win-retire--167543

Unfortunately his return will be vs a South Korean Youtuber, so that is a far cry from the regular boxing fights because this is a exhibition. We don't know maybe Manny is getting a lot of money in here that's why he agreed?

And hopefully, Mark Magsayo will win his fight against Rey Vargas.

[YuginKadoya]

Manny Pacquiao versus the South Korean YouTuber, DK Yoo. I've tried to find for those articles on how much was offered to him.

And saw an analyst said that Pacquiao has nothing to little gain that he'll get from this comeback match. Well, it's an exhibition match and that really won't matter to him.

He's after the entertainment and talent fee he'll get on it but how much.

I really think this is DK Yoo's money that was put out so he can have a fight with Manny Pacquiao there is no exact amount on how much but I think they will not disclose this to the public, and if you know DK Yoo he is a youtube that has fought a retired MMA fighter once and that was Bradley Scott, and in my opinion, it was a terrible fight to watch, and the fight was clearly just for show Beadley Scott won that match DK Yoo is showing lack of experience in that fight and I think he really exposes himself that he can not fight at all, more Running around, Rolling, and hugging Bradley Scott to evade serious damage from Scott's punch, I really don't know why DK Yoo have challenged an actual fighter, with his Martial Arts technique that is just been good with movies, and right now he wants to fight a real boxer in a fight I don't really know what may happen to DK Yoo after this fight because 1 punch from Manny Pacquaio could be lethal for him, and respect for Bradley Scott for showing mercy on DK Yoo, because if those punches touches DK Yoo there will be a chance DK Yoo ending up in a hospital,

Although I'm disappointed with the news that Manny Pacquiao will come out of retirement by participating in an exhibition match, that's his life.

He thinks that's fine or maybe he missed fighting in the ring already. I just don't understand why it should be against a Youtuber and not a real boxer that also on retirement now. With his impact, he can challenge those retired big names in an exhibition match and makes more money.

Looks like Manny is willing to ruin his legacy, well that's his career so I hope he will be happy with his decision:)

There might be something about this DK Yoo that Manny Pacquiao agreed to fight and from the special fight of DK Yoo against Bradley Scott a retired UFC fighter, and from that fight DK Yoo doesn't really have experience with real fights, this could surely ruin Manny Pacquaio's Legacy if he losses, but I think even though he wins this it will put a lot of question why did he fight a total amateur in boxing, DK Yoo's technique was all for show and not for real fighting,

Maybe Manny Pacquiao misses fighting so much that an exhibition match between these Korean youtube will be worth it, for me, it is better to have an exhibition match with Jake Paul than with DK Yoo at least Jake Paul has some experience with boxing, or maybe this is just a start on his exhibition match,

I don't think it will ruin his legacy though, Floyd just got on the HOF recently, and for sure Manny will in the next couple of years. Maybe he really missed the action or just another job for him and his family, to continue to make money through his God given talent.

It might Ruin it for accepting to fight an amateur, even though he has experience as a martial artist boxing is different, if you have seen how DK Yoo fights you would realise why Manny Pacquiao accept the offer, check his fight against Bradley Scott,

[livingfree]

Although I'm disappointed with the news that Manny Pacquiao will come out of retirement by participating in an exhibition match, that's his life.

As a fan of Manny, just it's pretty disappointing to see him on the bandwagon on what Floyd has started for retired boxers. But we have to understand where Manny is coming from.

Well, I agree with both of you that it's really disappointing that someone who has said that he's retired for good, can't stand up to his words. But  I guess this is really all about the pay that he can get.

If there's a big offer to him and he can't decline, he'll take it.

He has spent that much money and he has to make money again and this usually is the mindset of the rich people including him, that when they have spent that much, they have to recover it in some ways that they can while they can.

[Russlenat]

Although I'm disappointed with the news that Manny Pacquiao will come out of retirement by participating in an exhibition match, that's his life.

As a fan of Manny, just it's pretty disappointing to see him on the bandwagon on what Floyd has started for retired boxers. But we have to understand where Manny is coming from.

Well, I agree with both of you that it's really disappointing that someone who has said that he's retired for good, can't stand up to his words. But  I guess this is really all about the pay that he can get.

If there's a big offer to him and he can't decline, he'll take it.

He has spent that much money and he has to make money again and this usually is the mindset of the rich people including him, that when they have spent that much, they have to recover it in some ways that they can while they can.

Manny spent a lot of money when he runs for the presidency, it's time to get earn big money again, and I think he deserves to enjoy the exhibition fights since he is a legend, and for sure many fighters will like to fight with him and earn millions of dollars. Mayweather vs Pacman 2 in an exhibition fight, I think that's a good one, but hopefully the split would be even.

[stadus]

That's a big challenge for him, he has to start over again but it's never too late for him, he has the heart of a champion, it's just that he struggle to keep the weight in the division where he was a champion.

Yeah, but Casimero is already on his prime years and he just wanted a couple of fights already. So if he will start all over at the new weight class, it might be too late for him to get another belt. The perfect time is when he won it against Tete, then defended it against Duke Micah and unfortunately he can't do it against Butler. And there are no fights for him this year, so another chances squandered.

It's really unfortunate because he is not that young already to start over at the upper divisions but I seriously think that he does not have much of a choice here but to start again and try what he could do in super-bantam or featherweight where his weight is not an issue. He was a given a but it's sad that he just wasted it because it is pretty clear that he is struggling on his weight, so best thing to do is move-up.

Yes, he is in his early 30's, fighters prime age, he could be destroying anyone in his path and could have set up mega fight with Inoue. But we can't bring back the clock, he will have to accept and then go back to zero, climb his way back in to super bantamweight, 122 pounds (I think he can still bring his power in this weight, but 126 pounds might be too much for him. He needed to get back at least one fight maybe late this year or early 2023, just to bring back his confidence.

He's indeed unlucky but he needed to face his consequence if he still wanted to get his name back at the top, it will be hard for sure because he is going to climb the ladder again and this time it will be in a different heavier division. He needs to get his career straight this year and have the fight before he waste another year of requesting and thinking his mistakes.
This got me thinking, if Magsayo and his camp really knows that it will give him this much struggle to reduce weight in bantamweight then they should have made a decision long ago because they literally wasted time and effort.

[virasisog]

Although I'm disappointed with the news that Manny Pacquiao will come out of retirement by participating in an exhibition match, that's his life.

As a fan of Manny, just it's pretty disappointing to see him on the bandwagon on what Floyd has started for retired boxers. But we have to understand where Manny is coming from.

Well, I agree with both of you that it's really disappointing that someone who has said that he's retired for good, can't stand up to his words. But  I guess this is really all about the pay that he can get.

If there's a big offer to him and he can't decline, he'll take it.

He has spent that much money and he has to make money again and this usually is the mindset of the rich people including him, that when they have spent that much, they have to recover it in some ways that they can while they can.

Manny spent a lot of money when he runs for the presidency, it's time to get earn big money again, and I think he deserves to enjoy the exhibition fights since he is a legend, and for sure many fighters will like to fight with him and earn millions of dollars. Mayweather vs Pacman 2 in an exhibition fight, I think that's a good one, but hopefully, the split would be even.

We can't question Manny because he's now out of politics and he needs to make money again after losing the presidential election. There are really retirement announcements that could be broken for some reasons. Manny actually told everyone multiple times that he would have his last match but still had more. I guess as long as Manny still has the stamina to fight, he will never stop having matches.

[Zackgeno96]

Does anyone know if the match between Martin Ford and the Iranian Hulk will go on again? I then kept an eye on it but could not find any odds for this bet. Good thing afterwards that the match was cancelled, because it seemed photoshopped! Now the match seems to have gone completely off schedule. Maybe interesting to see if Badr Hari will fight against Rico Verhoeven or Ben Jadik again? Those are nice 50-50 matches with decent value

[serjent05]

Although I'm disappointed with the news that Manny Pacquiao will come out of retirement by participating in an exhibition match, that's his life.

He thinks that's fine or maybe he missed fighting in the ring already. I just don't understand why it should be against a Youtuber and not a real boxer that also on retirement now. With his impact, he can challenge those retired big names in an exhibition match and makes more money.

What is wrong with the exhibition matches?  It is there to provide entertainment to the boxing fan and possibly give the boxing fan another chance to have a glimpse of a legendary fighter before he fully hang his gloves.

Looks like Manny is willing to ruin his legacy, well that's his career so I hope he will be happy with his decision:)

I don't think it will ruin his legacy.  Besides, fans should be thankful that they are able to see the legend fighting once more.  We all know boxing isn't only sports but packaged with business.  Probably Manny's promoter receives a lot of requests about exhibition fights and decided to go on with it.

[erep]

We can't question Manny because he's now out of politics and he needs to make money again after losing the presidential election. There are really retirement announcements that could be broken for some reasons. Manny actually told everyone multiple times that he would have his last match but still had more. I guess as long as Manny still has the stamina to fight, he will never stop having matches.

When Manny doesn't have a chance to win in the presidential election, then I really believe he will leave politics to return to a career in the world of boxing. However, he has popularity in boxing despite having announced his retirement but it doesn't matter if he breaks his word because he will be supported by many world boxing fans. I agree if there is a big offer for a rematch then there is no reason the two boxers turned down the offer after their last fight in 2015.

[AmoreJaz]

We can't question Manny because he's now out of politics and he needs to make money again after losing the presidential election. There are really retirement announcements that could be broken for some reasons. Manny actually told everyone multiple times that he would have his last match but still had more. I guess as long as Manny still has the stamina to fight, he will never stop having matches.

When Manny doesn't have a chance to win in the presidential election, then I really believe he will leave politics to return to a career in the world of boxing. However, he has popularity in boxing despite having announced his retirement but it doesn't matter if he breaks his word because he will be supported by many world boxing fans. I agree if there is a big offer for a rematch then there is no reason the two boxers turned down the offer after their last fight in 2015.

anyway, it is not a professional fight but an exhibition fight only. so no big deal as there is no belt at stake. i do agree that many boxing fans want to see him inside the ring again. there are youngsters who want to see him one more time. give them what they want.
just take a look at those exhibition matches from wannabe boxers and they are generating huge money. what more from a real legend?

[harizen]

What is wrong with the exhibition matches?  It is there to provide entertainment to the boxing fan and possibly give the boxing fan another chance to have a glimpse of a legendary fighter before he fully hang his gloves.

Many professional boxers voiced out before about their concerns about boxing now associating with non-sense exhibition matches.

Of course, it's not wrong for having an exhibition match but for boxing enthusiasts, are you fine watching a true legendary boxer against a Youtuber?

We won't feel the disappointment of real boxing fans about this. Remember when Tyson was supposed to fight against one of the Paul brothers? If I remember it right, he said that it will be easy money for his opponent since it will be a drag on his popularity.

Actually, Pacquiao can come out of retirement and sanction his next fight as a professional one like Oscar DelaHoya did last year although it didn't happen because he contracted a Covid-19 virus. Much better to see it that way.

But yes, we are just here to give our own comments and if Pacquiao really wants to push on that exhibition match, then so be it.

[agustina2]

Sad day for the Philippines as we now have no World Champions left after Mark Magsayo loses his WBC Featherweight title.

It's now Donnie Nietes who will have the chance to bring another title for the Philippines but now on his 40 years old and not the same during his prime.

Although seen as underdog, I hope Philippines will back again holding another world title.

[YuginKadoya]

Well, I agree with both of you that it's really disappointing that someone who has said that he's retired for good, can't stand up to his words. But  I guess this is really all about the pay that he can get.

If there's a big offer to him and he can't decline, he'll take it.

He has spent that much money and he has to make money again and this usually is the mindset of the rich people including him, that when they have spent that much, they have to recover it in some ways that they can while they can.

From a standpoint of all the lower class here in the Philippines Manny Pacquiao was among them back in his younger life, and I think he doesn't want to go back to what he used to be, and I think in getting back all of the money he lost on his campaign, there is a lot of reason why and boxing is the only thing he knew that could bring food on their table, although he has a lot of business, endorsement advertisement, a gym he still is doing boxing or maybe he misses a fight inside the ring,

But for me DK Yoo is not a worthy opponent for Manny Pacquiao, I think Jake Paul could be a slight worthy than DK Yoo, but Jake Paul would not mess with a Manny Pacquiao just yet,

He's indeed unlucky but he needed to face his consequence if he still wanted to get his name back at the top, it will be hard for sure because he is going to climb the ladder again and this time it will be in a different heavier division. He needs to get his career straight this year and have the fight before he waste another year of requesting and thinking his mistakes.
This got me thinking, if Magsayo and his camp really knows that it will give him this much struggle to reduce weight in bantamweight then they should have made a decision long ago because they literally wasted time and effort.

He really needs to pursue it before his age dwindles his speed and strength time is up to the essence he can not miss another opportunity and waste time on such controversial things he needs to move on for now, and stop waiting,

Magsayo really needs this loss and take it as an experience for him, and this loss could be a lit fire to spark further into moving forward for him and there is no better teacher in life than experience, and I think this loss can be a fuel for him to excel in what he is doing,

Sad day for the Philippines as we now have no World Champions left after Mark Magsayo loses his WBC Featherweight title.

It's now Donnie Nietes who will have the chance to bring another title for the Philippines but now on his 40 years old and not the same during his prime.

Although seen as underdog, I hope Philippines will back again holding another world title.

Donnie Nietes will have a fight this coming July 13, 2022, against Kazuto Ioka a defend the WBO junior-bantamweight title, Still Donnie Nietes got 3 more belts if he failed in defending this one, but his fight with Kazuto Ioka is an interesting one and anything can happen inside the ring, I really wish he can win a rematch against Kazuto Ioka,

[livingfree]

Well, I agree with both of you that it's really disappointing that someone who has said that he's retired for good, can't stand up to his words. But  I guess this is really all about the pay that he can get.

If there's a big offer to him and he can't decline, he'll take it.

He has spent that much money and he has to make money again and this usually is the mindset of the rich people including him, that when they have spent that much, they have to recover it in some ways that they can while they can.

Manny spent a lot of money when he runs for the presidency, it's time to get earn big money again, and I think he deserves to enjoy the exhibition fights since he is a legend, and for sure many fighters will like to fight with him and earn millions of dollars. Mayweather vs Pacman 2 in an exhibition fight, I think that's a good one, but hopefully the split would be even.

He has to take back those expenditures that he got.

And that's why he has to take any fight that will pay him good cut no matter who the challenger is. This won't matter to him anymore despite his titles and records.

He's also getting older but still on the shape, so if there will ever be any match for him, that can be just like a match of pride and glory for the challenger.

[serjent05]

What is wrong with the exhibition matches?  It is there to provide entertainment to the boxing fan and possibly give the boxing fan another chance to have a glimpse of a legendary fighter before he fully hang his gloves.

Many professional boxers voiced out before about their concerns about boxing now associating with non-sense exhibition matches.

Of course, it's not wrong for having an exhibition match but for boxing enthusiasts, are you fine watching a true legendary boxer against a Youtuber?

I don't mind as the main purpose is for entertainment or possibly a charity event.  It was announced beforehand so it is to the fans to watch it or not.  As you see, they have this exhibition matches because it sells, if it doesn't then we can't see anything like that in the boxing industry.

We won't feel the disappointment of real boxing fans about this. Remember when Tyson was supposed to fight against one of the Paul brothers? If I remember it right, he said that it will be easy money for his opponent since it will be a drag on his popularity.

Actually, Pacquiao can come out of retirement and sanction his next fight as a professional one like Oscar DelaHoya did last year although it didn't happen because he contracted a Covid-19 virus. Much better to see it that way.

But yes, we are just here to give our own comments and if Pacquiao really wants to push on that exhibition match, then so be it.

I understand your point and I do agree that it is better that way but I think I am more open to seeing different stuff than it should be  .  Variations as long as it doesn't harm anyone make the game more entertaining that is what I believe in.

[Baofeng]

Anyone on women's boxing? There is a unification fight at middleweight,

Claressa Shields vs Savannah Marshall:

Briton Savannah Marshall will challenge Claressa Shields for the undisputed middleweight championship at the O2 Arena in London on 10 September.

Marshall holds the WBO title, while American Shields is the WBC, IBF, WBA and Ring magazine champion.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/61979513

Here is the heated press conference:  Best Highlights from the Claressa Shields vs Savannah Marshall Press Conference | SEPT 10 ESPN+.

Current odds for this fight is: Shields 1.86, Marshall 1.84. So it's a very close odds so far, so I'm expecting this to be a great fight in O2 arena.

Take note that Marshall beat Shields during their amateur days so this might be a revenge storyline in this fight.

[agustina2]

I don't mind as the main purpose is for entertainment or possibly a charity event.

You don't mind at all that's why you didn't understand why others are against the worst exhibition matches The way you speak, it's clear you don't get the point of view of the real boxer's sentiment and real boxers' fan point of view. If exhibition matches are always welcome, why do you think there are lots of issues involved here?

If that's your view then I respect it of course but don't speak generally. If that's for a charity event, I will support it. If that's for entertainment only to make money, never mind.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The truth is I don't see that Butler has enough level to make a fight against Inoue, the other thing is if Inoue accepts it, we all know very well Inoue's style, if Inoue in that case accepts the fight and if he wins Once with a knockout, Butler's reputation will be very low, how could he get it back? The truth is that Butler is good for me, but he needs more preparation. Instead, I would look for fights with less complicated rivals who seem more likely to win, and not leave once and for all because of a big man like Inoue. Butler must reap more wins to that the fans ask for more fights, and the business model is there in having more fights equals more money.

Looking at statistics of Butler with 34-2-0 winnig 15 fight via KO making it a 44% of his fight won via knockout.



Buttler is currently holding the WBO title so I think Inoue will seek a fight with him to be the undisputed champion.  That said, I do think that Inoue has the upper hand if ever these two fighters meet. Inoue holding a record of 23-0 with 20 KO's and currently holds  IBF WBA and WBC Titles declared interest in becoming the undisputed champion at 118[1].  Inoue beats  the future Hall of Famer Nonito Donaire via 2nd round TKO last Tuesday.


[1] https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-naoya-inoue-one-best-ive-seen-20-30-years--166840

Yes, in fact if one of the things for which Inoue has been on such a good streak is to be able to reach this boxer, however I think that the one who has to look for this fight the most is Butler, for me Inoue vs. Butler will be a fight very good if we leave the statistics aside, without taking into account that each one has more than the other, I would concentrate only on the level of pique there is to decide who can be the best, one defending and the other hungry for more victories, I would think that if this fight takes place, I would not lose it because it represents one of the fights that would generate the highest world rating, the promoters of these boxers must have future plans, they can get very good profit.

I don't mind as the main purpose is for entertainment or possibly a charity event.

You don't mind at all that's why you didn't understand why others are against the worst exhibition matches The way you speak, it's clear you don't get the point of view of the real boxer's sentiment and real boxers' fan point of view. If exhibition matches are always welcome, why do you think there are lots of issues involved here?

If that's your view then I respect it of course but don't speak generally. If that's for a charity event, I will support it. If that's for entertainment only to make money, never mind.

Although what they say makes a lot of sense, it's just an exhibition match, but we can't kill the illusion of what a fight is either, because even though it's an exhibition match, it should be taken similarly to how friendly soccer matches are played, that sometimes they are much harder than normal ones. I love that it's for a charity event, but they shouldn't lower the quality, because people still pay and want to see something that entertains them and makes them move emotions.