Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[Sanitough]

He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

I agree, just because he won that fight via knockout and was able to prevent further loss, he needs to work and improve his stamina because his next opponents could not have that kind of problem and will be faster and have some power punches than him. He has a lot of room for improvement and surely his comeback fight was really the most important one because it could be the same reason for him to train more and have some courage to add something to his skills and techniques.

It's expected that he'll have a tougher opponent next time as his ranking has improve, and probably, they might look for a championship fight as they are very eager to put Ryan Garcia back as a champion, that if they were satisfied already on his performance on his recent fight.

Ryan before he got defeated by Tank is a very hype fighter, now there's mix reaction and majority has probably criticized him as they were expecting a big comeback win, not a KO win but has struggle in few rounds before the win, and the he didn't fight a high-rank boxer in the division.

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[Hirose UK]

We will be having a great event this week and I think many will love this because it is Haney who is fighting

Haney vs. Prograis

Saturday 12.09.2023 at 09:00 PM ET

Promotion: Matchroom Boxing
Venue: Chase Center
Location: San Francisco, California

This is quite an interesting fight as Devin Haney vs Regis Prograis meets for the WBC super lightweight title.

Of the two boxers, it can be seen in various promotions and also on social media that Devin Haney is more striking or he is more enthusiastic and full of confidence to win and can overwhelm Regis Prograis in facing him.
With his achievements as boxer who previously held the undefeated lightweight world title and has record (30-0, 15 KO) he looks very confident in his ability to be able to hold this WBC title.
But if you look at the performance of both of them, Devin Haney will be more agile and faster than Regis Prograis because in terms of age alone, the two of them have difference of around 9 years.

Who knows who will be the winner in this fight but making Devin Haney the favorite is also the right choice.

[YuginKadoya]

There were many times Duarte came near and even cornered Ryan but the problem was his speed. Duarte's not known to be fast but he became too slow with the added weight. Ryan trained with a coach whose fighters are slick and technical so Duarte was the perfect pick.

But for me, I think Ryan picked the wrong coach or the wrong technique. He can't fight like that if he wants to become a world champion. He has to be honest with his natural fighting style. If he wants to retain James as his coach then at least they need to enhance his normal fighting style and not emulate something too unusual to him. Because the moment he's under pressure, he will surely return to his old style.

I agree with you, that Ryan Garcia is not used to using the Philly Shell yet, or maybe you are right about his natural technique I think he is still not used to the Philly Shell, and he looks really clumsy while doing it, and plus the running for sure I want Ryan Garcia to be in his old ways and for sure just take that running and be more technical and that was it,

He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

For sure the fans don't like the new Ryan Garcia that much and for sure many are booing him while he runs away or gives his back on Oscar Duarte, for sure it was really surprising for Ryan Garcia to do such things and for me, I really don't like the way he gets his back to Duarte which I think even with the minus points on Duarte Oscar Duarte is still punching the crap out of Ryan Garcia for sure Ryan Garcia doesn't care much when Duarte punching him on the back of his head,

This is quite an interesting fight as Devin Haney vs Regis Prograis meets for the WBC super lightweight title.

Of the two boxers, it can be seen in various promotions and also on social media that Devin Haney is more striking or he is more enthusiastic and full of confidence to win and can overwhelm Regis Prograis in facing him.
With his achievements as boxer who previously held the undefeated lightweight world title and has record (30-0, 15 KO) he looks very confident in his ability to be able to hold this WBC title.
But if you look at the performance of both of them, Devin Haney will be more agile and faster than Regis Prograis because in terms of age alone, the two of them have difference of around 9 years.

Who knows who will be the winner in this fight but making Devin Haney the favorite is also the right choice.

Quite interesting right as for sure Devin Haney is still undefeated, while Regis Prograis has 1 and it was from Josh Taylor but sure Devin Haney is the more agile one for sure and right now Prograis is fighting to defend his title belt the WBC title defense, and this is quite interesting for sure,

[Dave1]

^^ Prograis lost though is a close one against Josh Taylor, but for a brief moment, Taylor is the unified 140 lbs, so we can say that Prograis gave everything he got in that game he just fell short against a prime Josh Taylor. Taylor though has no more belts at 140 lbs, his last belt was taken about by Teo Lopez already.

So this is still a good match-up, Haney the more defensive boxer and obviously more agile in this fight.

Prograis not that much of a movement, but he has the power to knockout out Devin Haney here.

[Baofeng]

There was supposedly a leaked video, a sparring session between Tank Davis and Devin Haney:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhiJXcsdpaA

However, I don't think that is Haney though, there are a lot of videos surfacing lately with regards to that (in)famous sparring, but I don't see that it's legit or at least that is Haney in the video.

They could have sparred before, many times throughout, but we will have to see if there's one true video of that or who got the better of who. I don't know, since this is fight week already, they need to hype Haney vs Prograis.

[Kemarit]

I saw that leaked video, and yes, it looks like Haney but it's not, and they say it's Elijah Pierce. And this could be a old video as the supposedly dance partner is super bantamweight so there is a big difference as far as weight class goes or if really Pierce.



https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/768225

So I wouldn't put too much emphasize on that video, it just hype more on Davis power though instead of a good promotion for Devin Haney.

[Hirose UK]

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Quite interesting right as for sure Devin Haney is still undefeated, while Regis Prograis has 1 and it was from Josh Taylor but sure Devin Haney is the more agile one for sure and right now Prograis is fighting to defend his title belt the WBC title defense, and this is quite interesting for sure,

Of course, this is much awaited battle between two champions.
For Devin Haney himself, he has succeeded in having the WBC, IBF, WBO and WBA (Super) lightweight world title belts.
So in this fight if Devin Haney succeeds in defeating Regis Prograis then Devin Haney title acquisition will be more perfect with the inclusion of the title WBC Super Lightweight champion who was won from Prograis.
Devin Haney comes in as challenger but he is great contender and deserves to win this fight for the WBC Super Lightweight belt.

Of all the fight results, Devin Haney is able to always win, making him the favorite and able to take the belt from Prograis.
And Devin Haney victory will make history for him because entering the WBC Super Lightweight class as challenger can immediately win and the belt.

[bisdak40]

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

[btc_angela]

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

Oh good for Mark for moving up at the 130 lbs division, it's obvious that he had a hard time making that 126 lbs as his body is growing already. But I do agree that it might be very difficult for him for this division.

So let's see how it goes for him, he will be against a unknown boxer, perhaps this is just a tune up for him. His opponent records is not that good as per boxrec, many losses in the last 8 to 10 fights.

https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/719645

[Yaunfitda]

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

But I guess he can't go back to 126-lbs no more, that's why he really need to go up at 130-lbs even if it's going to be hard for him at this weight class. And another interesting fight because it seems that his opponent could be a journey man already.

And as what we call it, a cherry pick fight for him or at least showcase his skills at this new division. And who knows, maybe he could be small here, but he will have to adapt and change his strategy as the now that he is in a new division.

[Fredomago]

To all Filipino fans out here, just a heads up that Mark Magsayo will be fighting this weekend against Isaac Avelar of Mexico.

This will be a debut fight for Mark Magsayo on the 130-lbs division. As of now, no bookies have covered this fight but i think odds will be out two or one day before the fight as usual.

Got a feeling that Mark will be having a hard time in the super featherweight division because for me he is small for this weight category, just my thought but i want him to win as usual.

https://www.ringtv.com/661844-mark-magsayo-makes-junior-lightweight-debut-against-isaac-avelar-on-december-9/

But I guess he can't go back to 126-lbs no more, that's why he really need to go up at 130-lbs even if it's going to be hard for him at this weight class. And another interesting fight because it seems that his opponent could be a journey man already.

And as what we call it, a cherry pick fight for him or at least showcase his skills at this new division. And who knows, maybe he could be small here, but he will have to adapt and change his strategy as the now that he is in a new division.

Yeah, there's no way back as he needs to step up to push his career, we don't know what will be the fate awaits him but just like what you menetioned even if it's a cherry pick for him the chance still good to showcase his skills from there he may take some risky fight if he manage to win this one an create his path inside this new division that he's taking.

Weekends is nearly coming if you are a fan then better to save some spare coin/money for Magsayo's odd.

[bisdak40]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

[Dave1]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

I think Bivol will take this fight, although if I'm not mistaken, he hasn't fought at 168 lbs in his career, as he is a solid and natural 175 lbs light heavyweight. But if he wanted more money and of course if the belt of Canelo is on the line then why not?

And there are also interviews ore news report before than he is willing to go down to 168 lbs in order for this fight to happen. Yes, that is rehydration clause and obviously it will have Bivol into a huge disadvantage to the point that we might say that will still be weight drain during fight night.

[Yaunfitda]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

For the money? maybe Bivol and his camp will take this bait, however, you have to look at how the fans and boxing analyst will look at it,

a. Bivol is going down to a weight that he hasn't fought
b. Canelo is obviously negating what Bivol advantage has
c. Fans wanted Canelo to fight the young Mexican David Benavidez

For me, this is just money fight for Canelo. He should go with c, here, fight Benavidez, give him his due and then cemented his legacy by defeating him.

[YuginKadoya]

^^ Prograis lost though is a close one against Josh Taylor, but for a brief moment, Taylor is the unified 140 lbs, so we can say that Prograis gave everything he got in that game he just fell short against a prime Josh Taylor. Taylor though has no more belts at 140 lbs, his last belt was taken about by Teo Lopez already.

So this is still a good match-up, Haney the more defensive boxer and obviously more agile in this fight.

Prograis not that much of a movement, but he has the power to knockout out Devin Haney here.

That is why this is going to be an interesting fight for Devin Haney I know that he is a very favorable fighter against Prograis for sure but because of Regis Prograis's power I think with just 1 punch maybe he can defeat Devin Haney if he is not technical of a fighter then he can not defeat Haney for sure, but if the new Regis Prograis is more technical than Haney then this is a match for him, for sure this fight is a fight of IQ,

There was supposedly a leaked video, a sparring session between Tank Davis and Devin Haney:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhiJXcsdpaA

However, I don't think that is Haney though, there are a lot of videos surfacing lately with regards to that (in)famous sparring, but I don't see that it's legit or at least that is Haney in the video.

They could have sparred before, many times throughout, but we will have to see if there's one true video of that or who got the better of who. I don't know, since this is fight week already, they need to hype Haney vs Prograis.

Yup! That is not Haney alright, but damn that was one hell of a punch and for me why are sparring partners always in a position of danger to this kind of fighter that doesn't have control over their punches when it comes to their sparring partners 1st was Conor McGregor absolutely knockout his Sparring Partner and not only that sparring while wearing his shoes, and now Gervonta Davis throwing a solid punch to his partner is something that I am really against by it, but for sure on the heat of the moment maybe they can not control the situation,

Of course, this is much awaited battle between two champions.
For Devin Haney himself, he has succeeded in having the WBC, IBF, WBO and WBA (Super) lightweight world title belts.
So in this fight if Devin Haney succeeds in defeating Regis Prograis then Devin Haney title acquisition will be more perfect with the inclusion of the title WBC Super Lightweight champion who was won from Prograis.
Devin Haney comes in as challenger but he is great contender and deserves to win this fight for the WBC Super Lightweight belt.

Of all the fight results, Devin Haney is able to always win, making him the favorite and able to take the belt from Prograis.
And Devin Haney victory will make history for him because entering the WBC Super Lightweight class as challenger can immediately win and the belt.

For sure this is the real target of Devin Haney and Regis Prograis is something that he needed to defeat I was really excited when I watched both fighter's past fights and for sure it is really interesting as we could see the defense of Devin Haney for sure and how will Regis Prograis could penetrate it, and it, and who is the most faster fighter,

[LUCKMCFLY]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

For the money? maybe Bivol and his camp will take this bait, however, you have to look at how the fans and boxing analyst will look at it,

a. Bivol is going down to a weight that he hasn't fought
b. Canelo is obviously negating what Bivol advantage has
c. Fans wanted Canelo to fight the young Mexican David Benavidez

For me, this is just money fight for Canelo. He should go with c, here, fight Benavidez, give him his due and then cemented his legacy by defeating him.

That's normal, when a person is basically doing things very well, but needs fame and needs money, obviously they have to take the bait, things can happen that way, we as fans know that it's something il+ ological that a boxer like Bivol wants or has to lower his category to get a little more money, it's something strange, but come on, it's Canelo, we know that we all Want to see a Canelo vs Benvidez, but things tend to be very different, something that we as boxing fans must learn is that in boxing is when you should have the most business model , because when you try to do things better you can verify that a boxer has to live off of money, his life, his diet, all that epresents money, his gym, his treatments, massages, everything that a boxer needs, well obviously he needs to have money, for this reason we have to be emphatic at all times, this is a spectacle.

I know that some of us stick to just hoping for the best in sport, and that they make fun of themselves because they are basically into rivalry, but this is something else, for a long time now the money that has been moving thanks to the boxing industry It is impressive, a lot has to be done , in fact Bivol has to move , one of the things that the Boxer wants is to have fame, but for what ? to have money , it is something normal, and that is why he uses his talent, his skills to be able to have a great life, that is partly why he is a boxer , he has Expressed it many times, and he always wants to have the best fights, because he knows that if he wins he will be valued much more, he will be much more famous, and that translates into having more money, is what he is really looking for, that is why he can do it, although to be honest, he should It will be Canelo Who rises and Moves to the Other category and not Bivol, but hey, we all know what Canelo is Like.

[Jating]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

When was this rumor surfaces though? Because I remember Canelo interview before the John Ryder fight is that his goal is to fight Bivol or to rematch him at 175 lbs. So I guess that decision has change already if this latest rumor is true.

It's really up to Bivol to take the bait or not. I thought Bivol will have a fight this coming December.

Maybe this is just a get busy fight for him until he gets into Canelo or even Beterbiev. But if Canelo is chasing greatness then it should be at Light-HW because that is where they first fought. If it is 168 lbs then that is obviously Canelo's territory.

[bisdak40]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

When was this rumor surfaces though? Because I remember Canelo interview before the John Ryder fight is that his goal is to fight Bivol or to rematch him at 175 lbs. So I guess that decision has change already if this latest rumor is true.

It's really up to Bivol to take the bait or not. I thought Bivol will have a fight this coming December.

Maybe this is just a get busy fight for him until he gets into Canelo or even Beterbiev. But if Canelo is chasing greatness then it should be at Light-HW because that is where they first fought. If it is 168 lbs then that is obviously Canelo's territory.

Canelo will not win if it fight is on the 175 pound division, at least for and most of the users here that is why they are giving this bait to Bivol as the latter also has an ambition to be a unified champion either at 175 or 168 so probably he would take this fight.

If Bivol wins this at 168 then he got his dream but if Canelo dismantle Bivol at 168 with that rehydration clause, most of won't mind him winning the fight as this is not what a true warrior in the ring wants.

[Kemarit]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

When was this rumor surfaces though? Because I remember Canelo interview before the John Ryder fight is that his goal is to fight Bivol or to rematch him at 175 lbs. So I guess that decision has change already if this latest rumor is true.

It's really up to Bivol to take the bait or not. I thought Bivol will have a fight this coming December.

Maybe this is just a get busy fight for him until he gets into Canelo or even Beterbiev. But if Canelo is chasing greatness then it should be at Light-HW because that is where they first fought. If it is 168 lbs then that is obviously Canelo's territory.

Canelo will not win if it fight is on the 175 pound division, at least for and most of the users here that is why they are giving this bait to Bivol as the latter also has an ambition to be a unified champion either at 175 or 168 so probably he would take this fight.

If Bivol wins this at 168 then he got his dream but if Canelo dismantle Bivol at 168 with that rehydration clause, most of won't mind him winning the fight as this is not what a true warrior in the ring wants.

It's really a bait from Canelo here, or you can call it a bluff, just like in poker. Canelo knows that he has the strong hands here, fighting at his division, and then with that rehydration clause to make sure the Bivol won't go at high as a cruiserweight because Canelo will have a problem with a bigger but faster opponent like Bivol.

On the other hand, Bivol is looking on his version of legacy, wanted to beat Canelo as his strongest weight take all that belt. So for me, Bivol will take this bait easy, without any concern whatsoever at 168 lbs and he believed he can make it.

[btc_angela]

Have read that there is a rumor that has it, Canelo will be fighting Bivol in a rematch this May and it will be held in the 168-pound division. But the catch here is neither boxer would reach the 178 lbs come fight night, for me this is the same as the rehydration clause that Team Canelo is master of doing on their opponents.

What's your though on this guys, do Bivol would take the bait?

When was this rumor surfaces though? Because I remember Canelo interview before the John Ryder fight is that his goal is to fight Bivol or to rematch him at 175 lbs. So I guess that decision has change already if this latest rumor is true.

It's really up to Bivol to take the bait or not. I thought Bivol will have a fight this coming December.

Maybe this is just a get busy fight for him until he gets into Canelo or even Beterbiev. But if Canelo is chasing greatness then it should be at Light-HW because that is where they first fought. If it is 168 lbs then that is obviously Canelo's territory.

Canelo will not win if it fight is on the 175 pound division, at least for and most of the users here that is why they are giving this bait to Bivol as the latter also has an ambition to be a unified champion either at 175 or 168 so probably he would take this fight.

Yes, and it's probably his limit as well, 175 lbs is too big for him, at least his body might have a difficult time at that weight class. He might also be losing his power at that obviously it was shown in their first fight that it is a different territory for Canelo and that's why there are no immediate rematch.

If Bivol wins this at 168 then he got his dream but if Canelo dismantle Bivol at 168 with that rehydration clause, most of won't mind him winning the fight as this is not what a true warrior in the ring wants.

For sure Canelo will deflect all criticism and says that he still took his revenge win against Bivol. And Bivol can go back to his 175 lbs and maybe fight the other Russian champion and then Canelo continuing his legacy at super middleweight. So for Bivol it could still be a win win situation for him.