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October 05, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
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There's tons of examples where currencies aren't government sanctions. Some American towns have their own town-unique currency that is just decided on by the people that use it, in an effort to "keep spending local". There have been many currencies that are just gold coins not minted by a government but universally accepted. Hell, in the video game Metro 2033 the currency is a common type of bullet, which is pretty ingenious since that has intrinsic utility to people and is very portable/divisible. Things being sanctioned or not sanctioned by the government doesn't make them currency or stop being currency. You'd have to lack some serious economic knowledge, historical context and imagination to believe that money can't exist without a state waving some wand.

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What I meant is that bullets are uniform units, rather than bartering with a cow or a car engine or clothes

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October 05, 2012, 06:48:31 PM
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Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.

Because the ideas of a society based on relevant education, life sustaining values and an actual economy are equivalent to a belief in leprechauns?

If you expect these things to be accepted by all human beings then yes, you do believe in leprechauns.
And in a way your ideas are exactly like that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Nice to get the pot but no real life rainbow will lead you there.
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October 05, 2012, 06:55:51 PM
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I advocate using technology to help people to make a better society for everyone.

Me too.

I go first: I am an Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
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October 06, 2012, 04:40:25 AM
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Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.

Because the ideas of a society based on relevant education, life sustaining values and an actual economy are equivalent to a belief in leprechauns?

If you expect these things to be accepted by all human beings then yes, you do believe in leprechauns.
And in a way your ideas are exactly like that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Nice to get the pot but no real life rainbow will lead you there.


You believe that you can make an assertion about all human beings? What compels you to assert such a statement? I don't say that absolutely everyone has to agree with these ideas, but a society that does would be far better than the one we have now.

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October 06, 2012, 04:50:05 AM
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Point is, your planned economy ideas don't work. They don't stand up to the scrutiny and rigor of the science of economics. This is fact and your view on it doesn't change it.

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October 06, 2012, 05:22:21 AM
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Point is, your planned economy ideas don't work. They don't stand up to the scrutiny and rigor of the science of economics. This is fact and your view on it doesn't change it.

It seems that your "science of economics" has lead the world into 40 trillion nearly 50 trillion dollars of debt. Is that how an economy is supposed to work?

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

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October 06, 2012, 05:30:45 AM
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Are you trying to tell me government debt is a market failure?
Am I being trolled here?

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October 06, 2012, 05:49:12 AM
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It's not a failure. It's progress. Eventually it will collapse and we will move forward with more knowledge. There's no catch-all solution; only evolution.
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October 06, 2012, 05:53:59 AM
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I think the REALLY BIG AND IMPORTANT POINT to point out here is that an RBE can exist within a free-market society (even as a separate country/bubble), but a free market can not exist within an RBE society, since it will likely be suppressed as something undesirable.

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October 06, 2012, 06:16:08 AM
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Well sure. Socialism can exist within a free market, as long as it's contractual and non-violent, unlike socialist nations-states. The main grocery store down the street from me where I used to live was a worker's cooperative. No problem there, they were great.

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October 06, 2012, 06:23:31 AM
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I think the REALLY BIG AND IMPORTANT POINT to point out here is that an RBE can exist within a free-market society (even as a separate country/bubble), but a free market can not exist within an RBE society, since it will likely be suppressed as something undesirable.

This is technically inaccurate. An RBE can only exist in the context of a global economic model, because the basis of such an economy is the understanding that all people share one planet. If you don't understand that you cannot divide the world into pieces for your own pleasure because we are all intrinsically connected via a common biosphere, then you are not yet understanding what an RBE is all about. It requires a shift in values, not a PhD in economic "science".

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October 06, 2012, 06:39:19 AM
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So I shouldn't be able to engage in a mutually beneficial voluntary transaction with another human because I share a biosphere with people? Far out, man.

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October 06, 2012, 06:42:12 AM
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The problem with the global economic model is that it is still composed of people who want different things. Some will want to spend more hydrogen on developing space travel, others will want to spend it on generating more energy at home or building dirigibles. Regardless of what the all mighty computer decides, someone will be very upset, and likely eventually decide not to go along with the model.

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October 06, 2012, 06:43:21 AM
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Are you trying to tell me government debt is a market failure?
Am I being trolled here?

Government is the dominant institution of humanity. Do you disagree with the way people have chosen to organize themselves? If so, why? Don't people have the right to organize themselves the way they see fit? If not, why not? Would you make them behave the way you would want them to? What makes you qualified to tell them how to behave? What happens when they choose not to behave in that way? Will you punish them?

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October 06, 2012, 06:44:31 AM
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The problem with the global economic model is that it is still composed of people who want different things. Some will want to spend more hydrogen on developing space travel, others will want to spend it on generating more energy at home or building dirigibles. Regardless of what the all mighty computer decides, someone will be very upset, and likely eventually decide not to go along with the model.

Let's focus on providing for needs first. Our current model satisfies only wants, and half all of the population suffers for it.

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October 06, 2012, 06:46:07 AM
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So I shouldn't be able to engage in a mutually beneficial voluntary transaction with another human because I share a biosphere with people? Far out, man.

Ability and desire are different. You are certainly able to do many things. You desire to do only a subset of those things. What causes you to want to do one thing over another?

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October 06, 2012, 06:48:20 AM
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Are you trying to tell me government debt is a market failure?
Am I being trolled here?

Government is the dominant institution of humanity. Do you disagree with the way people have chosen to organize themselves?
I disagree with governments putting a burden of debt on taxpayers, even if a majority of the population supports it

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If so, why? Don't people have the right to organize themselves the way they see fit?
Sure do, but government is not a voluntary institution and goes outside of the scope of self organization. If people want to get together and screw themselves with debt, they are allowed. Forcing strangers to bear debts? not such much
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If not, why not? Would you make them behave the way you would want them to? What makes you qualified to tell them how to behave? What happens when they choose not to behave in that way? Will you punish them?
See above. Not sure how you are trying to make government debts a qualifier for markets, but you're making a good case for you lake of thinking skills

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Ability and desire are different. You are certainly able to do many things. You desire to do only a subset of those things. What causes you to want to do one thing over another?
Things I or anyone prefers, what is your point?

In case you can't see it for yourself, your rhetoric is becoming very creepy and cultish, like those videos of scientologists being pressed about their beliefs.

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October 06, 2012, 06:51:05 AM
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Are you trying to tell me government debt is a market failure?
Am I being trolled here?

Government is the dominant institution of humanity. Do you disagree with the way people have chosen to organize themselves?
I disagree with governments putting a burden of debt on taxpayers, even if a majority of the population supports it

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If so, why? Don't people have the right to organize themselves the way they see fit?
Sure do, but government is not a voluntary institution and goes outside of the scope of self organization. If people want to get together and screw themselves with debt, they are allowed. Forcing strangers to bear debts? not such much
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If not, why not? Would you make them behave the way you would want them to? What makes you qualified to tell them how to behave? What happens when they choose not to behave in that way? Will you punish them?
See above. Not sure how you are trying to make government debts a qualifier for markets, but you're making a good case for you lake of thinking skills

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Ability and desire are different. You are certainly able to do many things. You desire to do only a subset of those things. What causes you to want to do one thing over another?
Things I or anyone prefers, what is your point?

In case you can't see it for yourself, your rhetoric is becoming very creepy and cultish, like those videos of scientologists being pressed about their beliefs.

My point is to make you question your assumptions. If you're uncomfortable with doing that, then maybe you are the one who is creepy and cultish.

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October 06, 2012, 06:54:41 AM
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My point is to make you question your assumptions. If you're uncomfortable with doing that, then maybe you are the one who is creepy and cultish.
You aren't challenging my views, you are validating them. You literally tried to "challenge my assumptions" by saying that the free market is the same thing as government overspending and debt, and by equating forcing others to bear debt with voluntary associations. Do you seriously not see the logical disconnects? If you do that's great, to err is to be human

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October 06, 2012, 07:00:50 AM
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My point is to make you question your assumptions. If you're uncomfortable with doing that, then maybe you are the one who is creepy and cultish.
You aren't challenging my views, you are validating them. You literally tried to "challenge my assumptions" by saying that the free market is the same thing as government overspending and debt, and by equating forcing others to bear debt with voluntary associations. Do you seriously not see the logical disconnects? If you do that's great, to err is to be human

So you want society to be entirely different than it is now? Then we have some common ground, wouldn't you agree?

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