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October 05, 2012, 07:50:00 AM
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When you use a pocket calculator to help solve a math problem, is the calculator controlling you? When you use a knife to chop vegetables, is the knife controlling you? When people are watching television, is the television controlling society?

They aren't. It's impossible for a machine to control society. It's an impossible cybernetic transformation.

And since I also think that belief is a tool (the principle of chaos magic) I tell you this.
Transhumanists think that machines should/will control society. They also think that machines will improve themselfes in the future and that the ultimate fate of the universe can be controlled by building a giant computer out of all matter and thus becoming god.

I told you transhumanists are nutjobs... again do you believe any of those things above?

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October 05, 2012, 07:52:28 AM
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When you use a pocket calculator to help solve a math problem, is the calculator controlling you? When you use a knife to chop vegetables, is the knife controlling you? When people are watching television, is the television controlling society?

They aren't. It's impossible for a machine to control society. It's an impossible cybernetic transformation.

And since I also think that belief is a tool (the principle of chaos magic) I tell you this.
Transhumanists think that machines should/will control society. They also think that machines will improve themselfes in the future and that the ultimate fate of the universe can be controlled by building a giant computer out of all matter and thus becoming god.

I told you transhumanists are nutjobs... again do you believe any of those things above?


Why are you against something that is, in your words, impossible?

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October 05, 2012, 07:53:36 AM
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Belief is a tool.

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October 05, 2012, 07:57:51 AM
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I totally believe you, but such a label will make you sound pretty ridiculous. If your worldview is that specific, labels disservice you
thanks Smiley

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October 05, 2012, 08:04:54 AM
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Belief is a tool.

This is true, but as with any tool, its effectiveness is only as good as reality allows it to be.

I don't believe that the entirety of the universe can be crafted into a giant super computer, but this thought does not cause me to be angry, because I recognize that reality is incompatible with such a belief.

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October 05, 2012, 08:06:08 AM
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Awaiting zeitgeist true believers addressing the fact that the zeitgeist film fabricated a majority of the first act

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October 05, 2012, 08:34:22 AM
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Awaiting zeitgeist true believers addressing the fact that the zeitgeist film fabricated a majority of the first act

Why are you obsessed with an issue irrelevant to the topic being discussed?

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October 05, 2012, 08:45:38 AM
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Why are you so obsessed with if ignoring it? It speaks volumes about the zeitgeist "movement" and it gives insight for the reasons behind the same movements belief in inchoate, childish and pre-scientific economic assertions

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October 05, 2012, 08:57:07 AM
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Why are you so obsessed with if ignoring it? It speaks volumes about the zeitgeist "movement" and it gives insight for the reasons behind the same movements belief in inchoate, childish and pre-scientific economic assertions

I think you are confusing the Zeitgeist film and the Zeitgeist Movement. They are separate things.

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October 05, 2012, 09:14:03 AM
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But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.

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October 05, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
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But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.

But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.

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October 05, 2012, 09:29:46 AM
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Ironically, I find these examinations on religion more convincing. Cheesy

And also less dangerous.

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October 05, 2012, 09:36:02 AM
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But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.

But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
I am talking about both; the analysis of economics is equally as fallacious as the analysis of religion. The analysis of religion just stands out obvious as falsehood, since it simply says wrong things that the average person would see as wrong things. The economics are equally wrong, but the a stage person may not readily see this, since it is the dismal science

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October 05, 2012, 09:38:06 AM
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But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.

But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
I am talking about both; the analysis of economics is equally as fallacious as the analysis of religion. The analysis of religion just stands out obvious as falsehood, since it simply says wrong things that the average person would see as wrong things. The economics are equally wrong, but the a stage person may not readily see this, since it is the dismal science

What specifically about the economics is wrong?

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October 05, 2012, 10:01:28 AM
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What specifically about the economics is wrong?

Maybe not completely wrong, but again, where's the studies? Where's the models? The simulations? PJ only really appeals to emotion.

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October 05, 2012, 10:15:44 AM
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What specifically about the economics is wrong?

Maybe not completely wrong, but again, where's the studies? Where's the models? The simulations? PJ only really appeals to emotion.

This is a great question! Why aren't people investigating a resource based economy? Why aren't they implementing it and seeing if it works?

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October 05, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
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At the risk of using a false dilemma I will caveat this argument with the treatment that time will generate one of two possible outcomes. Either mankind will thrive or suffer the evolutionary fate of every species and go extinct.

If you believe in logic and that there are tenable solutions for all problems that are equitable, then there is hope that civility will find the means to solve all problems. If you believe that there will always be problems that have no solutions, then you believe that incivility will always be a tenable solution. Given enough time, we will evolve into unintelligent creatures or reject evolutionary forces and learn to thrive without allowing natural forces to extinguish us.

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October 05, 2012, 10:54:03 AM
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This is a great question! Why aren't people investigating a resource based economy? Why aren't they implementing it and seeing if it works?

well, if you folks don't do it, who else?

crank out some simulations, and it will attract investors.  Lips sealed

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October 05, 2012, 05:10:48 PM
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But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.

But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
I am talking about both; the analysis of economics is equally as fallacious as the analysis of religion. The analysis of religion just stands out obvious as falsehood, since it simply says wrong things that the average person would see as wrong things. The economics are equally wrong, but the a stage person may not readily see this, since it is the dismal science

What specifically about the economics is wrong?
Because it's repackaged Marxism. More specifically, it is a situation where supposedly everything is free, which is economically naive on many levels. It is utopian and ignores the concept of economic calculation via price, the entire science of utility theory, moral hazard and and how these concepts relate to scarcity. If your belief is that all we need to do is make infinity of everything. I suggest taking a micro and macro Econ 101 class and practice some critical thinking. And no, nobody needs to try another utopian "make everything free!" To demonstrate that it is irrational and makes no logical sense.

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October 05, 2012, 06:43:16 PM
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There's tons of examples where currencies aren't government sanctions. Some American towns have their own town-unique currency that is just decided on by the people that use it, in an effort to "keep spending local". There have been many currencies that are just gold coins not minted by a government but universally accepted. Hell, in the video game Metro 2033 the currency is a common type of bullet, which is pretty ingenious since that has intrinsic utility to people and is very portable/divisible. Things being sanctioned or not sanctioned by the government doesn't make them currency or stop being currency. You'd have to lack some serious economic knowledge, historical context and imagination to believe that money can't exist without a state waving some wand.

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