Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

And more news about it. It wasn't Prigozhin that died (maybe).

I thought your were a big fan of Putin's "new world order". Why backpedal now? Own it, a deranged dictator doing deranged things, that's exactly what you've been shilling here for 200+ pages.

You keep on proving to us how little you understand. If you want any success, you really need to figure out what is going on. But if you DO understand, and are simply trying to agitate and make waves, you're even dumber than you seem... just like most Biden followers.


Wagner Decries 'Murder' Of Prigozhin Amid Reports Anti-Air Missile Struck Plane


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prigozhins-dead-after-his-business-jet-10-people-board-has-crashed
"The murder/assassination of Prigozhin will have catastrophic consequences. The people who gave the order do not understand the mood in the army and morale at all. Let this be a lesson to all. You always have to go to the end," the Wagner channel statement reads.

The bodies of Prigozhin and his second-in-command Dmitry Utkin, have reportedly been identified, according to statements which have been quick to come out of Russian media. Russian news agency TASS has also made it official: "Evgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin were on board the crashed Embraer plane, the Federal Air Transport Agency reported."

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Another video of the crash of Prigozhin's plane #Russia
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[tvbcof]

I should have mentioned Surovikian taking over Wagner when I thought of it yesterday so I could do a victory lap, but I've been tied up with other things.  My read is that Wager would trust him because he is sensitive about getting people killed for no good reason.

As for Prigozion and/or the real leader of Wagner who stays in the shadows, my first guess is that this was a Russian hoax or psych job and one or both are alive and well.  Retire to hang out with Ken Lay, Epstein, etc.

My second guess is that the Russians killed them in order to take over Wagner (which they would have been setting up for a while and would be the reason why Surovikian was put in charge of getting them outfitted.)

My third guess is some Western forces got him.  If so it would probably be the Brits since they are desperate enough to try it and way to weasely to admit it.  Probably not other capable parties.  The Israelies wisely put their bets on Russia from the first day of the SMO onward as best I can tell and are setting up to be friends with the bear when the dust settles.  Or bear trainers.

[LTU_btc]

There is some interesting news which got shadowed by death of Prigozhin. Today early morning Ukraine landed their troops on shore of Crimea near to Olenivka, clashed with local units, raised Ukrainian flag and returned back to boats. And offcourse, Russia is claiming that diversion group was destroyed:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/24/europe/ukraine-crimea-operation-russia-intl/index.html
Russian Mi-8 helicopter landed in Ukrainian Poltava, more than 200km deep into Ukraine. Sounds incredible, right. Russian pilot decided to surrender and this Ukrainian operation took almost 6 months to complete. Helicopter transported parts of fighter jets and it will be used by Ukraine now. Other crew memebers didn't knew about pilot plans and point of flight destination, they tried to resist after they landed and were killed :
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-pilot-defected-mi-8-helicopter-ukraine-2023-8
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2023/08/23/7416758/

It would not surprise anyone tbh, anyone can defy and speak whatever about Putin, as long as they do it in private, better if is just to themselves, and better if it is only in their minds.

I wouldn't be surprised if Girkin will be next. He was allowed to crticize Russian army, generals and Shoigu, but he crossed red line when he started to criticise Putin. Then it didn't took long until he was sent to jail. And nobody will be surprised if he will die from heart attack in jail one day.

And more news about it. It wasn't Prigozhin that died (maybe).

I wouldn't deny completely version that Prigozhin wasn't really on that plane and that now he can start new life with new identity somewhere in Africa. But I think most likely that he was really eliminated. After events in last June it looked that despite it he didn't felt any danger fro himself.

[TwitchySeal]

I should have mentioned Surovikian taking over Wagner when I thought of it yesterday so I could do a victory lap, but I've been tied up with other things.  My read is that Wager would trust him because he is sensitive about getting people killed for no good reason.

As for Prigozion and/or the real leader of Wagner who stays in the shadows, my first guess is that this was a Russian hoax or psych job and one or both are alive and well.  Retire to hang out with Ken Lay, Epstein, etc.

My second guess is that the Russians killed them in order to take over Wagner (which they would have been setting up for a while and would be the reason why Surovikian was put in charge of getting them outfitted.)

My third guess is some Western forces got him.  If so it would probably be the Brits since they are desperate enough to try it and way to weasely to admit it.  Probably not other capable parties.  The Israelies wisely put their bets on Russia from the first day of the SMO onward as best I can tell and are setting up to be friends with the bear when the dust settles.  Or bear trainers.

What about "Putin killed him because of what he did in June"...is that even a possibility in your fantasy world?  Or did you rule that one out as soon as the rest of the world started making that guess.

[suchmoon]

Surovikian taking over Wagner

LOL what now? The ghost of Surovikin taking over the ghost of Wagner (Utkin)? Sounds a bit too surreal even for you.

[tvbcof]

What about "Putin killed him because of what he did in June"...is that even a possibility in your fantasy world?  Or did you rule that one out as soon as the rest of the world started making that guess.

All Putin and Progozin did in June is to have a good laugh about what simpletons and chumps you guys are.

For added lulz, they labeled Prigozin a 'wanted insurrectionist' or whatever so that when anyone pitched a bitch about Russia's actions anywhere, Putin could just shrug and say it's a Wagner thing and "We feel your pain."

[paxmao]

What about "Putin killed him because of what he did in June"...is that even a possibility in your fantasy world?  Or did you rule that one out as soon as the rest of the world started making that guess.

All Putin and Progozin did in June is to have a good laugh about what simpletons and chumps you guys are.

For added lulz, they labeled Prigozin a 'wanted insurrectionist' or whatever so that when anyone pitched a bitch about Russia's actions anywhere, Putin could just shrug and say it's a Wagner thing and "We feel your pain."

Effectively, in your universe there is no space for the most likely explanation: Prigo starts taking too much public light and credit, Shoigu & company start getting nervous and to make it worse Prigo keeps criticising them publicly, even with some references to "the grandpa".

The military convince Putin to force Wagner's to sign normal army contracts, which effectively means the dissolution of Wagner. Prigo is not happy and makes a show of force (nothing like a coup). This does not fall well in the Kremlin. They agree going to Bieloruzzia, but Putin is not paying the wages nor probably the money that is due from the business in other countries.

Prigo flies to Moscow, there is no agreement and as he flees out, a couple of S-300 solve the problem.

But ... that is not possible. The guy has to be alive, this has to be a psi-op, the MI6 killed him... dude, get real. Everything is possible, but the simples explanation tends to be the explanation.

[BADecker]

What about "Putin killed him because of what he did in June"...is that even a possibility in your fantasy world?  Or did you rule that one out as soon as the rest of the world started making that guess.

All Putin and Progozin did in June is to have a good laugh about what simpletons and chumps you guys are.

For added lulz, they labeled Prigozin a 'wanted insurrectionist' or whatever so that when anyone pitched a bitch about Russia's actions anywhere, Putin could just shrug and say it's a Wagner thing and "We feel your pain."

Effectively, in your universe there is no space for the most likely explanation: Prigo starts taking too much public light and credit, Shoigu & company start getting nervous and to make it worse Prigo keeps criticising them publicly, even with some references to "the grandpa".

The military convince Putin to force Wagner's to sign normal army contracts, which effectively means the dissolution of Wagner. Prigo is not happy and makes a show of force (nothing like a coup). This does not fall well in the Kremlin. They agree going to Bieloruzzia, but Putin is not paying the wages nor probably the money that is due from the business in other countries.

Prigo flies to Moscow, there is no agreement and as he flees out, a couple of S-300 solve the problem.

But ... that is not possible. The guy has to be alive, this has to be a psi-op, the MI6 killed him... dude, get real. Everything is possible, but the simples explanation tends to be the explanation.

That's why he HAS a universe, and you don't.

Does Ukraine simply want Crimea land? They don't seem to care about the people there.


Large-Scale Attack On Crimea: Ukraine Sends 73 Drones In 24-Hour Period


https://www.zerohedge.com/military/large-scale-attack-crimea-ukraine-sends-73-drones-24-hour-period
Russia's military initially said it downed a barrage of 42 drones near Crimea. A defense ministry (MoD) statement nine drones were "destroyed... over the territory of the Republic of Crimea," while 33 others "were suppressed by electronic warfare and crashed without reaching their targets." The figure was later in the day revised upward to 73 Ukrainian drones launched over the prior 24-hour period.

"Russian forces have downed 73 Ukrainian drones over the past 24 hours after a night of mass attacks centered on Crimea," the MoD stated. "Explosions hit a Russian base in Crimea on Friday, according to reports, following Kyiv's largest-ever drone attack on the peninsula."

There was no mention of casualties or damage due to the large-scale drone attack. Multiple drones were observed destroyed over water off Crimea's Cape Khersones, near the major naval port of Sevastopol.

"All forces and services are in a state of combat readiness," Sevastopol Governor Mikhail Razvozhayev announced on Telegram. This week Ukraine touted that its forces destroyed a S-400 defense system in Crimea, and further that special operatives conducted an amphibious landing Wednesday night, and safely returned from the mission.
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[paxmao]

What about "Putin killed him because of what he did in June"...is that even a possibility in your fantasy world?  Or did you rule that one out as soon as the rest of the world started making that guess.

All Putin and Progozin did in June is to have a good laugh about what simpletons and chumps you guys are.

For added lulz, they labeled Prigozin a 'wanted insurrectionist' or whatever so that when anyone pitched a bitch about Russia's actions anywhere, Putin could just shrug and say it's a Wagner thing and "We feel your pain."

Effectively, in your universe there is no space for the most likely explanation: Prigo starts taking too much public light and credit, Shoigu & company start getting nervous and to make it worse Prigo keeps criticising them publicly, even with some references to "the grandpa".

The military convince Putin to force Wagner's to sign normal army contracts, which effectively means the dissolution of Wagner. Prigo is not happy and makes a show of force (nothing like a coup). This does not fall well in the Kremlin. They agree going to Bieloruzzia, but Putin is not paying the wages nor probably the money that is due from the business in other countries.

Prigo flies to Moscow, there is no agreement and as he flees out, a couple of S-300 solve the problem.

But ... that is not possible. The guy has to be alive, this has to be a psi-op, the MI6 killed him... dude, get real. Everything is possible, but the simples explanation tends to be the explanation.

That's why he HAS a universe, and you don't.

Does Ukraine simply want Crimea land? They don't seem to care about the people there.

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"All forces and services are in a state of combat readiness," Sevastopol Governor Mikhail Razvozhayev announced on Telegram. This week Ukraine touted that its forces destroyed a S-400 defense system in Crimea, and further that special operatives conducted an amphibious landing Wednesday night, and safely returned from the mission.
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Sure sure... Putler is all about care and people, everyone knows that. If you want to know about military and other loses you should ask the Ruzzian Government about how many soldiers have died, etc... - spoiler alert - they will not tell you.

I think Ukraine has attacked a legitimate target, that is for sure, but also kicked the Ruzzian Chief Psychos in their Crimean little balls. The equipment destroyed is quite expensive and even difficult to replace, unless you take one of the ones defending Moscow to replace it (he he). It is a show of effectiveness and the ability to undertake a quite difficult covert ops right in the anus of Ruzzia.

[tvbcof]

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Sure sure... Putler is all about care and people, everyone knows that. If you want to know about military and other loses you should ask the Ruzzian Government about how many soldiers have died, etc... - spoiler alert - they will not tell you.

I think Ukraine has attacked a legitimate target, that is for sure, but also kicked the Ruzzian Chief Psychos in their Crimean little balls. The equipment destroyed is quite expensive and even difficult to replace, unless you take one of the ones defending Moscow to replace it (he he). It is a show of effectiveness and the ability to undertake a quite difficult covert ops right in the anus of Ruzzia.

The thing that all five areas of the now-Russian-Federation areas have in common is that they _voted_ overwhelmingly to go with 'Putler' rather than the Bandarites when they finally got a chance to vote without the threat of summary execution at the hands of Azov hanging over their heads.  And that was before the Nulandist Ziocons and their clueless useful-idiot Nazi minions started rounding up kids for child-soldier duty.

I'm guessing that 'Putler' would probably agree to a re-vote if people question the 'free-and-fair' nature of the last elections, but I don't know the man so I couldn't say.  When he accepts the unconditional surrender from Ukraine we'll just have to see if one of the things he does is a re-vote.  Probably he wouldn't do it for the Galicia because he's afraid Russia would 'win' and nobody in their right mind would want anything to do with those cretins.  Best to shove them over to the Poles if possible.

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This thing is a flat-out ethnic genocide.  I'm way more sure of it now than when I called it back around the start of the SMO.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/z3lxDX3JGGh1/

You take a religion based on the concept of a 'chosen' race.  Then you brainwash and terrorize them as children with largely made up crap in their yeshivas.  Then you have them study intently with a bunch of pervy old wierdos for another decade.  What do you get?  You get a bunch of real freaks who are frothing with rage over things that may or may not have happened hundreds of years ago, and who are a significant danger to everyone.  Most especially 'the Jews' who have to take the brunt of the push-back.

[paxmao]

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Sure sure... Putler is all about care and people, everyone knows that. If you want to know about military and other loses you should ask the Ruzzian Government about how many soldiers have died, etc... - spoiler alert - they will not tell you.

I think Ukraine has attacked a legitimate target, that is for sure, but also kicked the Ruzzian Chief Psychos in their Crimean little balls. The equipment destroyed is quite expensive and even difficult to replace, unless you take one of the ones defending Moscow to replace it (he he). It is a show of effectiveness and the ability to undertake a quite difficult covert ops right in the anus of Ruzzia.

The thing that all five areas of the now-Russian-Federation areas have in common is that they _voted_ overwhelmingly to go with 'Putler' rather than the Bandarites when they finally got a chance to vote without the threat of summary execution at the hands of Azov hanging over their heads.  And that was before the Nulandist Ziocons and their clueless useful-idiot Nazi minions started rounding up kids for child-soldier duty.

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We have gone through that argument many times: A vote without free international observers, under recent military occupation, with testimonies of people being "persuaded" with little green men with guns is a joke. I do get that you may have a cynic vision of people's choice, my guess is that nobody ever asked you what would you like to do with your government and if they ever did you would probably pee your pants.

On the "Nazi" thing, again, it never made sense. The ZZs are at this point a Nazi army. Ukraine fought the real Nazis during WW II. Millions of Ukrainians were first "Holomodored" by Stalin, and then fought the real Nazis, the III Reich by the millions, even in Galicia and even those that in the first moments thought the Nazis would be preferable to Stalin (tough choice uh?).

Ukraine’s human and material losses during World War II were enormous. Some 5 to 7 million people perished. Even with the return of evacuees from the east and the repatriation of forced labourers from Germany, Ukraine’s estimated population of 36 million in 1947 was almost 5 million less than before the war. Because more than 700 cities and towns and 28,000 villages had been destroyed, 10 million people were left homeless. Only 20 percent of the industrial enterprises and 15 percent of agricultural equipment and machinery remained intact, and the transportation network was severely damaged. The material losses constituted an estimated 40 percent of Ukraine’s national wealth.

Ukrainians deserve a chance to be free and choose their own destiny. That is real history, not made up referendums and name calling.

[BADecker]

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That's why he HAS a universe, and you don't.

Does Ukraine simply want Crimea land? They don't seem to care about the people there.

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"All forces and services are in a state of combat readiness," Sevastopol Governor Mikhail Razvozhayev announced on Telegram. This week Ukraine touted that its forces destroyed a S-400 defense system in Crimea, and further that special operatives conducted an amphibious landing Wednesday night, and safely returned from the mission.
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Sure sure... Putler is all about care and people, everyone knows that. If you want to know about military and other loses you should ask the Ruzzian Government about how many soldiers have died, etc... - spoiler alert - they will not tell you.

I think Ukraine has attacked a legitimate target, that is for sure, but also kicked the Ruzzian Chief Psychos in their Crimean little balls. The equipment destroyed is quite expensive and even difficult to replace, unless you take one of the ones defending Moscow to replace it (he he). It is a show of effectiveness and the ability to undertake a quite difficult covert ops right in the anus of Ruzzia.

Don't you even know what war is about? War is about caring and protecting your country. Soldiers don't like fighting and dying. But at the base of it, they do it because they care, just like Putin cares by ordering them to fight to the death if necessary.

Zelensky does even worse with his soldiers and people. Ukraine doesn't have soldiers who are fighting and dying for Ukraine. Rather, they are fighting and dying so the US doesn't have to enter a war to steal Russia from the Russians. Can you even understand the difference?

As for destroyed equipment, Russia has captured so much Ukraine (US/Nato) equipment that the little Russia might lose in a particular battle is essentially as nothing. The problem for Russia is, the US and Nato have been sending old, out dated equipment to Ukraine. So, in the long run, it is essentially useless to Russia.

But look at what this means. The US and Nato are essentially destroying Ukraine in their wishful gamble that they might somehow possibly conquer Russia this way.

Wake up.



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Ukrainians deserve a chance to be free and choose their own destiny. That is real history, not made up referendums and name calling.

Ukraine IS free. But teasing and antagonizing Russia at the behest of the US is a STUPID way to use your freedom.

[paxmao]

Murmansk is close to Polyarny, a legendary maritime base of Ruzzia, pretty much near the Artic, in the Karelia Peninsula (where most of the nukes of Ruzzia are deployed by the way). Murmansk region is home to some nuclear submarine forces of Ruzzia, also of spent nuclear fuel and both working and "out of order" equipment.

Today, someone smoke in the wrong place in Murmansk according to some yet unconfirmed news.

[BADecker]

Murmansk is close to Polyarny, a legendary maritime base of Ruzzia, pretty much near the Artic, in the Karelia Peninsula (where most of the nukes of Ruzzia are deployed by the way). Murmansk region is home to some nuclear submarine forces of Ruzzia, also of spent nuclear fuel and both working and "out of order" equipment.

Today, someone smoke in the wrong place in Murmansk according to some yet unconfirmed news.

Well, finally. You finally want to uphold Russian law by picking on people smoking in a Russian no-smoking zone.

People go there to visit. From Tripadvisor, "Things to Do in Murmansk" - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Murmansk&ia=web.

[be.open]

We have gone through that argument many times: A vote without free international observers, under recent military occupation, with testimonies of people being "persuaded" with little green men with guns is a joke. I do get that you may have a cynic vision of people's choice, my guess is that nobody ever asked you what would you like to do with your government and if they ever did you would probably pee your pants.

Already next year, Zelensky will have to show the whole world how to properly conduct free democratic elections in wartime.

[BADecker]

We have gone through that argument many times: A vote without free international observers, under recent military occupation, with testimonies of people being "persuaded" with little green men with guns is a joke. I do get that you may have a cynic vision of people's choice, my guess is that nobody ever asked you what would you like to do with your government and if they ever did you would probably pee your pants.

Already next year, Zelensky will have to show the whole world how to properly conduct free democratic elections in wartime.

Don't we all just love Zelensky? There are the rumors, which may be true, that Hitler really escaped to Argentina at the end of WW2. Zelensky has it so easy in this modern world. Maybe Hitler won and didn't realize it.


Zelensky buys LUXURY MANSION in Egypt via his mother-in-law using Western aid money


https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-27-zelensky-buys-mansion-egypt-western-aid-money.html
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reportedly purchased a luxury mansion in Egypt through his mother-in-law, with evidence showing Western aid money given to Ukraine was used to buy the property.

Egyptian investigative journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi initially broke the news following his in-depth research and interviews with sources familiar with the matter. He disclosed that the Zelensky family acquired a luxury property valued at around $5 million in the Egyptian city of El Gouna.
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[paxmao]

We have gone through that argument many times: A vote without free international observers, under recent military occupation, with testimonies of people being "persuaded" with little green men with guns is a joke. I do get that you may have a cynic vision of people's choice, my guess is that nobody ever asked you what would you like to do with your government and if they ever did you would probably pee your pants.

Already next year, Zelensky will have to show the whole world how to properly conduct free democratic elections in wartime.

I fail to see the joke. Elections have happened quite a few times in wartime across many countries, across several history times. If you are interested, it is very rare than a democratic government changes during wartime - this is just statistical.

@BA, could you provide any evidence of "so much Ukrainian equipment captured"? But I guess is not that difficult given that you are so used to Trumps style arguments that saying "so much" could mean virtually 1 to 1000 pieces. All you need to add to sound really Trumpian is "like the world has never seen before" or "bigger than anything seen before" or "so massive that I do not even need to show it". Give it a try! It is easy!

[LTU_btc]

Today, someone smoke in the wrong place in Murmansk according to some yet unconfirmed news.

And now there is big drone attack onnPskov airport, there is reports about 4 damaged Il-76 transport planes
https://t.me/shot_shot/56299
Interesting part that Pskov isn't somehwere close to Ukraine, but nearby to Russian border with Latvia and Estonia.
Also, another Mi-8 made it's last flight today:
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/345010

Already next year, Zelensky will have to show the whole world how to properly conduct free democratic elections in wartime.

Last time when I checked, Ukraine laws don't allow to make ellections and change constitution under martial law.

[suchmoon]

And now there is big drone attack onnPskov airport, there is reports about 4 damaged Il-76 transport planes
https://t.me/shot_shot/56299
Interesting part that Pskov isn't somehwere close to Ukraine, but nearby to Russian border with Latvia and Estonia.

Z-tards noticed that and started making shit up about NATO attacking them:

However, there is a nuance - the Baltic countries are much closer. And these countries are part of NATO. Have you really decided to be so bold?

Can't wait for our resident kremlinists to parse that one out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-military-repelling-drone-attack-pskov-four-planes-damaged-officials-2023-08-29/

[tvbcof]

  Glorious merciful leader Putin gives the Ukrainian men a way out: Surrender
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/UVXeQL5OdVPc/

Lol!