Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

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[TwitchySeal]

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

Gotta subtract the ~900k that were forcibly deported and given "asylum" status if youre counting how many want to be there.

[OgNasty]

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

[paxmao]

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

Sure... they went to Poland and then to Ruzzia. That is tooootally believable.

See Branko, talking is free and you can say whatever you want, but when people vote with their feet reality catches up.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refugees-by-country/

Your graph shows how many CROSSED the border at surrounding countries, and not how many ended up
in those countries

Gotta subtract the ~900k that were forcibly deported and given "asylum" status if youre counting how many want to be there.

Maybe he is counting the kidnapped deported children as half too.

[TwitchySeal]

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

They had already converted Putins flag ship The Moskva into a submarine months earlier.....no WW3.

Must be nice to get to play war games without even having to go through basic training and walk away with an IOU from Putin.  Might come back to bite him though, when everyone starts trying to blow up each others satellites and the US Spaceforce has to prioritize defense.

[suchmoon]

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

Your shilling is too weak. Elon Musk is preventing at least 4-5 world wars every day.

[tvbcof]

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

Musk is a hard-core Technocrat.  The internet was in some real ways developed by Technocrats for Technocracy and it is fundamental to their goals.  (Technocracy is an economic system 'backed' by energy and where currency is denominated in units of energy.  This contrasts with modern debt-backed fiat monetary systems.)

If/when things escalate to a particular level all space-based communications systems and all undersea cable systems will go dark almost instantly and they probably won't be back any time soon.  Not only will it be harder to find fresh porn but it will shift strategic balances of power in very noteworthy ways.  I doubt that Musk or any of the Technocrats are keen to trigger such an event.  At least not at this time.

For those who are interested, Patrick Wood has done some of the best and most comprehensive work on the Technocracy movement:  https://www.technocracy.news/

[paxmao]

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

Musk is a hard-core Technocrat.  The internet was in some real ways developed by Technocrats for Technocracy and it is fundamental to their goals.  (Technocracy is an economic system 'backed' by energy and where currency is denominated in units of energy.  This contrasts with modern debt-backed fiat monetary systems.)

If/when things escalate to a particular level all space-based communications systems and all undersea cable systems will go dark almost instantly and they probably won't be back any time soon.  Not only will it be harder to find fresh porn but it will shift strategic balances of power in very noteworthy ways.  I doubt that Musk or any of the Technocrats are keen to trigger such an event.  At least not at this time.

For those who are interested, Patrick Wood has done some of the best and most comprehensive work on the Technocracy movement:  https://www.technocracy.news/

Interesting misuse of a word. A technocrat is something completely different until some nut-head decides to open a website. They are not a "ruling elite", but rather typically identified with mid to mid-high managers.

a technical expert. especially : one exercising managerial authority.

Musk is not a "manager" and if you ask me, he is not a technical expert, he is a leader and a strategist at most. Elon & Co do not want uncontrolled wars, because those have potential to change the status-quo.

[tvbcof]

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For those who are interested, Patrick Wood has done some of the best and most comprehensive work on the Technocracy movement:  https://www.technocracy.news/

Interesting misuse of a word. A technocrat is something completely different until some nut-head decides to open a website. They are not a "ruling elite", but rather typically identified with mid to mid-high managers.

a technical expert. especially : one exercising managerial authority.

Musk is not a "manager" and if you ask me, he is not a technical expert, he is a leader and a strategist at most. Elon & Co do not want uncontrolled wars, because those have potential to change the status-quo.

Musk's grandfather was the head guy of the 'Technocracy' movement in Canada.  He got run out of the country and went to South Africa.  Technocracy, Inc was a political movement of some note almost 100 years ago, but they sort of went underground.  They drew a lot of inspiration from the Italian Fascist party and it caused some suspicions and unwanted attention after WW-II was done.

Again, at it's core, Technocracy is an economic system.  The Technocrats documented currency as being labeled in Joules, but currently 'carbon credits' are more tenable due to the scammy 'climate crisis' project.  Ultimately they are the same thing.  The characteristic of the system is very fine grained surveillance so that accounting can be done.  For that one needs an 'internet'.

One label commonly used for such a solution is a 'fourth industrial revolution', but you can say 'great reset' or 'new normal' or 'build-back-better' if you so choose.  It's all more-or-less the same thing.

The surveillance aspect, and a single-point command-control economy, make Technocracy a pretty compelling option for people who control dynastic wealth pools under our current debt-backed monetary system.  It goes without saying that they'll be the ones creating and installing the 'Technocrats'.  If it ends up being a stable system, it is unbeatable for control freaks.  If not, it can help transport wealth across the gap which will exist between the current USD reserve currency system (started when Nixon 'temporarily suspended' gold backing for the USD) and a yet-to-be-born next debt-backed system.

For my part, I don't really see any evidence the Elon Musk is much more than a convenient puppet, chosen mostly as the spawn of some of the upper echelon players, and emplaced to do psychological operations on the plebs and spend 'family money' toward achieving an objective which is desirable to 'his people'.

[paxmao]

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For those who are interested, Patrick Wood has done some of the best and most comprehensive work on the Technocracy movement:  https://www.technocracy.news/

Interesting misuse of a word. A technocrat is something completely different until some nut-head decides to open a website. They are not a "ruling elite", but rather typically identified with mid to mid-high managers.

a technical expert. especially : one exercising managerial authority.

Musk is not a "manager" and if you ask me, he is not a technical expert, he is a leader and a strategist at most. Elon & Co do not want uncontrolled wars, because those have potential to change the status-quo.

Musk's grandfather was the head guy of the 'Technocracy' movement in Canada.  He got run out of the country and went to South Africa.  Technocracy, Inc was a political movement of some note almost 100 years ago, but they sort of went underground.  They drew a lot of inspiration from the Italian Fascist party and it caused some suspicions and unwanted attention after WW-II was done.

Again, at it's core, Technocracy is an economic system.  The Technocrats documented currency as being labeled in Joules, but currently 'carbon credits' are more tenable due to the scammy 'climate crisis' project.  Ultimately they are the same thing.  The characteristic of the system is very fine grained surveillance so that accounting can be done.  For that one needs an 'internet'.

One label commonly used for such a solution is a 'fourth industrial revolution', but you can say 'great reset' or 'new normal' or 'build-back-better' if you so choose.  It's all more-or-less the same thing.

The surveillance aspect, and a single-point command-control economy, make Technocracy a pretty compelling option for people who control dynastic wealth pools under our current debt-backed monetary system.  It goes without saying that they'll be the ones creating and installing the 'Technocrats'.  If it ends up being a stable system, it is unbeatable for control freaks.  If not, it can help transport wealth across the gap which will exist between the current USD reserve currency system (started when Nixon 'temporarily suspended' gold backing for the USD) and a yet-to-be-born next debt-backed system.

For my part, I don't really see any evidence the Elon Musk is much more than a convenient puppet, chosen mostly as the spawn of some of the upper echelon players, and emplaced to do psychological operations on the plebs and spend 'family money' toward achieving an objective which is desirable to 'his people'.

What I find most difficult is to believe that someone can actually manage to get expelled from Canada -  that would be something to be seen.

Anyway back on-topic, in the last 24 hours, Ruzzia has lost an inordinate amount of warfare material. Even if you do not believe the exact figures, it is an indication of how quickly Ruzzia is self-demilitarising quite effectively. If this continues, it may be possible to have a couple of decades free of Ruzzian wrongdoing around Europe - even may loose the ability to intervene in other regions.

Just some info points to: 624 soldiers, 23 tanks, 23 BMP and 31 artillery systems. I have even seen a video of an expensive HIMARS being used to take a quite WW II howitzer - not your typical high value target.

[LTU_btc]

Did Elon Musk just help prevent World War III?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.“

LOL, Musk again wanted to show himself more important than he really is. Maybe such things works inside US, but if someone really thinks that such attack would cause World War II, then I don't really know what to say. I just remind you that Ukraine already destroyed Russian flagship Moskva. Also, Ukraine made at least 2 serious attacks against another pride of Russia - Crimea Bridge. And it didn't caused WWIII, despite that drunk clow Dimon Medvedev promised judgement day if Ukraine will attack Crimea.

[Branko]

What I find most difficult is to believe that someone can actually manage to get expelled from Canada -  that would be something to be seen.

Anyway back on-topic, in the last 24 hours, Ruzzia has lost an inordinate amount of warfare material. Even if you do not believe the exact figures, it is an indication of how quickly Ruzzia is self-demilitarising quite effectively. If this continues, it may be possible to have a couple of decades free of Ruzzian wrongdoing around Europe - even may loose the ability to intervene in other regions.

Just some info points to: 624 soldiers, 23 tanks, 23 BMP and 31 artillery systems. I have even seen a video of an expensive HIMARS being used to take a quite WW II howitzer - not your typical high value target.

Meanwhile, Russian SSO work behind enemy lines:

https://t.me/intelslava/51062

[paxmao]

What I find most difficult is to believe that someone can actually manage to get expelled from Canada -  that would be something to be seen.

Anyway back on-topic, in the last 24 hours, Ruzzia has lost an inordinate amount of warfare material. Even if you do not believe the exact figures, it is an indication of how quickly Ruzzia is self-demilitarising quite effectively. If this continues, it may be possible to have a couple of decades free of Ruzzian wrongdoing around Europe - even may loose the ability to intervene in other regions.

Just some info points to: 624 soldiers, 23 tanks, 23 BMP and 31 artillery systems. I have even seen a video of an expensive HIMARS being used to take a quite WW II howitzer - not your typical high value target.

Meanwhile, Russian SSO work behind enemy lines:

https://t.me/intelslava/51062

I think you have opened a can of worms...

Large fire breaks out on Moscow industrial site
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d_XPn8NNuSg

Fire breaks out at Russian defence ministry
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_iOrM1dFhAU

Moment second drone hits tower block in Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QBhGg-uU7qw

Moscow battles large fire after overnight drone attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14tDIqxgMno

The building of the Federal Customs Service is on fire in Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkF_bqmVm5c

I guess attacking your neighbour is not such a profitable business. It also seems that Ukraine has create an special section to deal with traitors an those who have ordered the worst crimes.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

It is behind a paywall, but summing up: if you do bad stuff against Ukraine, you have to watch your back for the rest of your (short?) life. And this includes civil and military.

[tvbcof]

Musk's grandfather was the head guy of the 'Technocracy' movement in Canada.  He got run out of the country and went to South Africa.  Technocracy, Inc was a political movement of some note almost 100 years ago, but they sort of went underground.  They drew a lot of inspiration from the Italian Fascist party and it caused some suspicions and unwanted attention after WW-II was done.
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What I find most difficult is to believe that someone can actually manage to get expelled from Canada -  that would be something to be seen.
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Here's an interesting vid by Technocracy, Inc from 1947.  Notable that Canada had them turn off their radios as a condition of entry.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUregwsi_cw

The stated goal of the Technocrats was to form a 'North American Technate' replacing the existing democratic governments.  It's not surprising that there were some suspicious about them, and again, emulating the Italian Fascists likely only fueled this.

Ultimately, and seemingly not long after this rally, it seems that a (very logical) decision to just go underground and work on the project through industrial and academic channels was adopted.  Now it's popping out with inspiring slogans such as "You will own nothing and be happy."

[nutildah]

Musk's grandfather was the head guy of the 'Technocracy' movement in Canada.  He got run out of the country and went to South Africa.  Technocracy, Inc was a political movement of some note almost 100 years ago, but they sort of went underground.  They drew a lot of inspiration from the Italian Fascist party and it caused some suspicions and unwanted attention after WW-II was done.
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What I find most difficult is to believe that someone can actually manage to get expelled from Canada -  that would be something to be seen.

You don't have to believe it because its not true. Literally everything he said is incorrect.

- Musk's grandfather was not "the head guy" of the movement.
- He didn't get run out of the country.
- Fascism didn't start in Italy until 3 years after the birth of the Technocracy movement.

[paxmao]

Musk's grandfather was the head guy of the 'Technocracy' movement in Canada.  He got run out of the country and went to South Africa.  Technocracy, Inc was a political movement of some note almost 100 years ago, but they sort of went underground.  They drew a lot of inspiration from the Italian Fascist party and it caused some suspicions and unwanted attention after WW-II was done.
...

What I find most difficult is to believe that someone can actually manage to get expelled from Canada -  that would be something to be seen.

You don't have to believe it because its not true. Literally everything he said is incorrect.

- Musk's grandfather was not "the head guy" of the movement.
- He didn't get run out of the country.
- Fascism didn't start in Italy until 3 years after the birth of the Technocracy movement.

That sounds a bit more credible. Anyway, I think we can go back to Ukraine and figure out how long can the Ruzzian front actually hold without committing the elite reserves and risk a meat-grinding defeat that could re-shape this war. There are some sources that tend to get it right that say that Ruzzian troops have insufficient artillery support, the supposedly fortified positions are not really that much of a show stopper... The Surovinkin line  has been broken and it did not take any more effort than usual.

Could it be that Ruzzia defence is, again, no deeper than 10 cliks?

[BADecker]

Whatever Musk's goals were, they worked out well for Russia at that time. The evil USDollar banking system needs more decisions like this to keep them from taking over the world. The more money they can create for Ukraine, the more devalued the USD will become... and the sooner it will collapse. It's unfortunate that some of the people of the USA will be hurt, but once it is over, the USA will become stronger than ever.


Elon Musk 'committed evil' with Starlink order, says Ukrainian official


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/08/elon-musk-committed-evil-starlink-order-ukraine
A senior Ukrainian official has accused Elon Musk of "committing evil" after a new biography revealed details about how the business magnate ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships.

In a statement on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, which Musk owns, the Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak wrote that Musk's interference led to the deaths of civilians, calling them "the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego".

"By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian fleet via Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, and children are being killed," Podolyak wrote.

"Why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realise that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?"

Musk defended his decision, saying he did not want his SpaceX company to be "explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation".

CNN on Thursday quoted an excerpt from the biography Elon Musk by Walter Isaacson, which described how armed submarine drones were approaching a Russian fleet near the Crimean coast when they "lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly".
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[tvbcof]

They must have run low on the supply of whatever mind control drugs NATO is feeding these poor fuckers:

  Russian Paratroopers Thought They Were Capturing Only 2 Ukrops - But the Whole Village Crawled Out
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/tSOdqufcwFza/

Or it was staged, which wouldn't be that difficult to do.  Who knows?

[BADecker]

Whatever Musk's goals were, they worked out well for Russia at that time. The evil USDollar banking system needs more decisions like this to keep them from taking over the world. The more money they can create for Ukraine, the more devalued the USD will become... and the sooner it will collapse. It's unfortunate that some of the people of the USA will be hurt, but once it is over, the USA will become stronger than ever.


Elon Musk 'committed evil' with Starlink order, says Ukrainian official

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So, Musk potentially had good reason to disallow Ukraine from using Starlink... for sure at that time. I wonder if Russia has applied to Musk for usage.


What Happened With Elon, Starlink and Ukraine Was an Unreasonable Request


https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/09/what-happened-with-elon-starlink-and-ukraine-was-an-unreasonable-request.html
Elon and SpaceX have provided 20,000 Starlink terminals which were vital for sustaining Ukraine's economy and critical communication in the company.

Lauren Dreyer, SpaceX's director of Starlink operations, began sending Musk updates twice a day. "Starlink kits are already allowing Ukraine Armed Forces to continue operating theater command centers," she wrote on March 1. "These kits can be life or death, as the opponent is now focusing heavily on comms infrastructure. They are asking for more." In February and March of 2022 there were about 2500 Starlink units sent to Ukraine.

Unlike every other satellite service, they were able to find ways to defeat Russian jamming. By March 6, the company was providing voice connections for a Ukrainian special operations brigade. Starlink kits were also used to connect the Ukrainian military to the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command and to get Ukrainian television broadcasts back up. Within days, 6,000 more terminals and dishes were shipped, and by July there were 15,000 Starlink terminals operating in Ukraine.

Elon indicated that Ukraine had an emergency request to activate Starlink in Sevastopol.

Sevastopol is the largest city in Crimea and a major port on the Black Sea. Due to its strategic location and the navigability of the city's harbors, Sevastopol has been an important port and naval base throughout its history. Since the city's founding in 1783 it has been a major base for Russia's Black Sea Fleet.
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[paxmao]

"Not the moment for diplomacy" - Zelensky is very clear on his belief that there is much more to be done and that there are still very good chances of a substantial break of the Ruzzian defences. Along with this he declared that he does not believe that "Trump will not support Ukraine", that is, if he can even become a candidate.

(source: interview for The Economist).